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Joseph Bailey41 Joseph Bailey41 Veteran
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#6301 ·
Chloe Flores83 said:If I'm following you correctly, are you saying I'm stuck in a schizophrenic loop because some person from Amorac manipulated my thoughts? Could you explain a bit more? Like, how does that actually work?

I don't know, I think it actually leans more toward what Laura Castillo6 was saying. It’s like you had a genetic predisposition, and then you ended up in a social environment that acted as the trigger. People who are generally stable can usually mess around with those kinds of things without any lasting impact—well, maybe they feel a temporary rush during a group ritual or something, where the atmosphere gets intense enough to induce a trance, but once it's over, they just go about their day like nothing happened. But for you, things took a different turn. Then again, if you had been in a more supportive environment instead of dealing with hospitals, medication, and worried family members—whatever that setup looked like for you—it's entirely possible the situation would have stabilized on its own and you wouldn't be facing recurring psychosis. Honestly, that diagnosis carries such a heavy stigma. Getting hit with it is an incredibly uncomfortable experience, and it inevitably triggers a whole new set of complications.

Regarding Amorac—look, like I mentioned before, I don’t really know much about the specifics. But I do know people who have dealt with some serious emotional fallout after messing around with different cults. For instance, some struggle to socialize normally after living in those isolated communities, others end up feeling emotionally numb from things like Bhakti or Hare Krishna practices, and then you have the folks who get completely sucked into wild conspiracy theories involving reptiles or whatever else once they start practicing Transcendental Meditation. The human psyche is incredibly complex. When you're young, you just don't have the tools to know how a certain spiritual technique or a specific leader might affect you. You can't exactly check a label on someone's forehead to see if they're a psychopath, and when you're still figuring out your own predispositions and triggers, it’s easy to get steered in the wrong direction. Honestly, it’s probably best to stay away from all that stuff until you're at least forty, but I guess what can you do when life just feels boring? 😁
Harold Anderson3 Harold Anderson3 Regular
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#6302 ·
Laura Castillo6 said:I don't buy that theory myself, but I’m a firm believer that mental health issues usually stem from a mix of genetics and social environment. Think of it this way: the genetic part is like having the potential for a condition to develop, while the social side acts as the trigger—that external pressure from the world around you that actually sets things off.
I found this video that breaks the whole concept down perfectly


Looking back, I used to drink quite a bit before I got sick, and I definitely had the genetic predisposition for it. That’s why I think it’s so vital to talk about these things openly; if we can address them early, we might be able to prevent them entirely. When you consider that roughly 3% of people experience psychosis and about 1% carry an F20 diagnosis, we're talking about a massive number of people in the US population today.


It's pretty much the standard medical explanation most people accept. However, what's more interesting is trying to weigh those two factors against each other—whether it's more genetic or more social—which is a tricky, highly individual question to answer.

I also drank heavily before my diagnosis, and for a while, I was using marijuana too (which, looking back, was probably a bad idea to combine the two), but honestly, I feel like the psychosis would have surfaced regardless. My mother didn't drink at all, yet she fell ill when she was 18. For me, it happened at 21.
Angela Stewart6 Angela Stewart6 Active Member
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#6303 ·
I’ve been thinking lately—and I really do believe this—that for those of us struggling with illness, the mind can be an incredible servant, but it makes for a truly terrible master. Joseph Bailey41, I absolutely love the way you frame your thoughts on this subject! Anyway, I'm signing off now because I am absolutely exhausted. I'm heading straight to bed. 🥱
Angela Stewart6 Angela Stewart6 Active Member
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#6304 ·
I agree with you, Harold Anderson3. Personally, I don't think drugs or alcohol act as the primary trigger for psychosis—rather, the research suggests that people already predisposed to psychotic episodes are simply more vulnerable to substance use. In my case, I’m fairly certain it’s a genetic thing—it runs in the family. My grandmother was actually hospitalized and eventually took her own life; I'm just not sure what her specific diagnosis was at the time.
Nicole Barrett76 Nicole Barrett76 Regular
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#6305 ·
Jamie Lewis said:I honestly think one of the people you live with is pulling this on you, or maybe your own mind is just playing tricks . If I were in your shoes, I’d set up a camera right now just to get some actual proof of what's happening. Once you uncover the truth, those fears will lose their grip, you'll start thinking more logically, and that clarity will give you the strength you need to deal with your condition.
Let's be real here—why don't our things go missing? Why aren't we seeing ghosts or aliens messing with us? It's because we don't have schizophrenia. At the end of the day, everything is happening inside your head.

As for myself, I spent my afternoon interacting with three Aliens today, and no, I certainly do not have schizophrenia. I offered them plenty of roasted corn, and in exchange, they provided me with unrepeatable ball treats. That is the name of their famous confection known throughout the neighboring Solar System, precisely because every single sweet is an unrepeatable ball. Not one single sphere ever possesses the exact same flavor twice.

Just imagine: you enjoy a ball with the flavor of orange and crave another just like it, but alas, it is impossible! The flavor of every single piece is entirely unique and an unrepeatable ball, plain and simple.
Chloe Flores83 Chloe Flores83 Active Member
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#6306 ·
Joseph Bailey41 said:I don't know, I think it actually leans more toward what Laura Castillo6 was saying. It’s like you had a genetic predisposition, and then you ended up in a social environment that acted as the trigger. People who are generally stable can usually mess around with those kinds of things without any lasting impact—well, maybe they feel a temporary rush during a group ritual or something, where the atmosphere gets intense enough to induce a trance, but once it's over, they just go about their day like nothing happened. But for you, things took a different turn. Then again, if you had been in a more supportive environment instead of dealing with hospitals, medication, and worried family members—whatever that setup looked like for you—it's entirely possible the situation would have stabilized on its own and you wouldn't be facing recurring psychosis. Honestly, that diagnosis carries such a heavy stigma. Getting hit with it is an incredibly uncomfortable experience, and it inevitably triggers a whole new set of complications.

Regarding Amorac—look, like I mentioned before, I don’t really know much about the specifics. But I do know people who have dealt with some serious emotional fallout after messing around with different cults. For instance, some struggle to socialize normally after living in those isolated communities, others end up feeling emotionally numb from things like Bhakti or Hare Krishna practices, and then you have the folks who get completely sucked into wild conspiracy theories involving reptiles or whatever else once they start practicing Transcendental Meditation. The human psyche is incredibly complex. When you're young, you just don't have the tools to know how a certain spiritual technique or a specific leader might affect you. You can't exactly check a label on someone's forehead to see if they're a psychopath, and when you're still figuring out your own predispositions and triggers, it’s easy to get steered in the wrong direction. Honestly, it’s probably best to stay away from all that stuff until you're at least forty, but I guess what can you do when life just feels boring? 😁

I actually love your writing style, even if I don't agree with everything you say. I don't feel the stigma myself—which sounds crazy, I know—but some of my friends still have no clue I have schizophrenia. They’d probably pass out if I told them. Even my immediate family doesn't believe I have it because they say I haven't changed at all. They sense something is "off," sure, but since I've always been a bit different from most people, they don't really dwell on it. I don't know a single person with schizophrenia outside of this little forum, and I notice the illness has taken something away from everyone here. My life hasn't changed much, and neither have I or my family. I was in a bit of a gray zone after my last psychotic episode earlier this year, but sitting here typing this seems to be helping. I’ve never taken medication. I feel like I’m different here too, and honestly, I’m not a fan. It’s exhausting.
Regarding Amorac, most people hear "hermeticism" or "occult" and immediately think of something negative, so they're wary. You don't need to listen to others or read up on it—especially since the internet is full of nonsense—it's best to just see for yourself. There isn't anything mysterious about it. There are plenty of various exercises involving positive and negative breathing, intuition work, self-healing, and so on. Just read their manifesto; you might actually like it.
Joseph Bailey41 Joseph Bailey41 Veteran
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#6307 ·
Chloe Flores83 said:I actually love your writing style, even if I don't agree with everything you say. I don't feel the stigma myself—which sounds crazy, I know—but some of my friends still have no clue I have schizophrenia. They’d probably pass out if I told them. Even my immediate family doesn't believe I have it because they say I haven't changed at all. They sense something is "off," sure, but since I've always been a bit different from most people, they don't really dwell on it. I don't know a single person with schizophrenia outside of this little forum, and I notice the illness has taken something away from everyone here. My life hasn't changed much, and neither have I or my family. I was in a bit of a gray zone after my last psychotic episode earlier this year, but sitting here typing this seems to be helping. I’ve never taken medication. I feel like I’m different here too, and honestly, I’m not a fan. It’s exhausting.
Regarding Amorac, most people hear "hermeticism" or "occult" and immediately think of something negative, so they're wary. You don't need to listen to others or read up on it—especially since the internet is full of nonsense—it's best to just see for yourself. There isn't anything mysterious about it. There are plenty of various exercises involving positive and negative breathing, intuition work, self-healing, and so on. Just read their manifesto; you might actually like it.

My experience with Bipolar was pretty similar. Everything felt totally fine until the accumulated stress would just hit a breaking point and I'd start spiraling. Almost nobody knew what was going on; every person with bipolar I've met thought completely differently than I do, and even those documentaries you see... they didn't resonate at all. PTSD didn't even cross my mind for a long time because I always associated it strictly with combat veterans, but once I started reading about trauma, everything finally clicked. Well, except for those paranoid episodes that made me question my own judgment, but even that makes sense now. No one in my family has anything resembling bipolar (which should be genetic), but there's plenty of history with generational trauma, and you can pass that down through epigenetic mechanisms... so, I guess I was kind of set up from the jump.

Chloe Flores83 said:I actually love your writing style, even if I don't agree with everything you say. I don't feel the stigma myself—which sounds crazy, I know—but some of my friends still have no clue I have schizophrenia. They’d probably pass out if I told them. Even my immediate family doesn't believe I have it because they say I haven't changed at all. They sense something is "off," sure, but since I've always been a bit different from most people, they don't really dwell on it. I don't know a single person with schizophrenia outside of this little forum, and I notice the illness has taken something away from everyone here. My life hasn't changed much, and neither have I or my family. I was in a bit of a gray zone after my last psychotic episode earlier this year, but sitting here typing this seems to be helping. I’ve never taken medication. I feel like I’m different here too, and honestly, I’m not a fan. It’s exhausting.
Regarding Amorac, most people hear "hermeticism" or "occult" and immediately think of something negative, so they're wary. You don't need to listen to others or read up on it—especially since the internet is full of nonsense—it's best to just see for yourself. There isn't anything mysterious about it. There are plenty of various exercises involving positive and negative breathing, intuition work, self-healing, and so on. Just read their manifesto; you might actually like it.

I'm not afraid of the occult, though I haven't had the best experiences with people who run in those circles (mostly people I've encountered through certain New Age groups or those practicing the techniques of Ž. M. Slavinskog). Personally, I've always resonated more with shamanic practices—without the drugs, obviously; I haven't touched substances in ages, and I don't even drink alcohol. I just have a deep connection to nature and animals. Plus, I love mythology. I'll definitely check out the manifesto, though. These unconventional spiritualities are fascinating to me... unlike the major organized religions, which just aren't my thing. I've never really understood what people find so compelling about them, but hey, to each their own.😁
Laura Castillo6 Laura Castillo6 Active Member
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#6308 ·
Harold Anderson3 said:It's pretty much the standard medical explanation most people accept. However, what's more interesting is trying to weigh those two factors against each other—whether it's more genetic or more social—which is a tricky, highly individual question to answer.

I also drank heavily before my diagnosis, and for a while, I was using marijuana too (which, looking back, was probably a bad idea to combine the two), but honestly, I feel like the psychosis would have surfaced regardless. My mother didn't drink at all, yet she fell ill when she was 18. For me, it happened at 21.

But hey, "what if" is just a dead end; we'll never actually know. What really matters is staying sober throughout your life. Speaking from experience, I can tell you firsthand why that's so vital.
Robin Lopez2 Robin Lopez2 Active Member
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#6309 ·
George Cook said:Psychosis can be linked to PTSD.

Joseph Bailey41 said:Thanks. I just went and did a quick Google search—honestly, I’m surprised it didn't occur to me sooner—and here is what I found:

https://www.verywellmind.com/relatio...mptoms-2797525

https://www.psychiatryadvisor.com/sc...rticle/759866/

That feels like the missing link I've been looking for. 👍

My first diagnosis was PTSD, but three years later, schizophrenia showed up in all its glory. I've been living with both diagnoses for 19 years now.
Joseph Bailey41 said:My experience with Bipolar was pretty similar. Everything felt totally fine until the accumulated stress would just hit a breaking point and I'd start spiraling. Almost nobody knew what was going on; every person with bipolar I've met thought completely differently than I do, and even those documentaries you see... they didn't resonate at all. PTSD didn't even cross my mind for a long time because I always associated it strictly with combat veterans, but once I started reading about trauma, everything finally clicked. Well, except for those paranoid episodes that made me question my own judgment, but even that makes sense now. No one in my family has anything resembling bipolar (which should be genetic), but there's plenty of history with generational trauma, and you can pass that down through epigenetic mechanisms... so, I guess I was kind of set up from the jump.

I'm not afraid of the occult, though I haven't had the best experiences with people who run in those circles (mostly people I've encountered through certain New Age groups or those practicing the techniques of Ž. M. Slavinskog). Personally, I've always resonated more with shamanic practices—without the drugs, obviously; I haven't touched substances in ages, and I don't even drink alcohol. I just have a deep connection to nature and animals. Plus, I love mythology. I'll definitely check out the manifesto, though. These unconventional spiritualities are fascinating to me... unlike the major organized religions, which just aren't my thing. I've never really understood what people find so compelling about them, but hey, to each their own.😁

My late friend's wife has nothing to do with the war, yet she’s struggling with PTSD.
Chloe Flores83 Chloe Flores83 Active Member
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#6310 ·
Hey, flying lady... how do you actually deal with all this stuff disappearing from the house, or things moving around and then random new items just showing up? Everyone assumes people with schizophrenia are just doing it themselves and forgetting, or they straight up don't believe it even happened. Do you have any other take on it?
Chloe Flores83 Chloe Flores83 Active Member
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#6311 ·
Laura Castillo6 said:It’s not all just hallucinations, but you really shouldn't assign too much weight to seeing certain people or following a specific chain of events during a psychotic episode—like they're some kind of supernatural or divine sign. During a psychosis, those neurotransmitter imbalances create these intense sensations, this sense of euphoria, and stuff like that (it feels just like a drug hit). That’s why it sticks in your mind so vividly.
Since I’ve dealt with this crap myself, I know exactly what happens later to someone who keeps playing those memories on a loop in their head. For me, I had to learn how to let it go by making sure I didn't give those moments any extra importance or focus.

I went through my own wild sequence of events, too, but it wasn't until I became more aware of the pattern that I started paying way too much attention to it. I think it's because you aren't slipping into those altered states of consciousness every single day, so it takes time for everything to settle back down. Once I started throwing myself into the usual daily grind and keeping busy, those episodes began to fade into the background. Even now, I can find myself drifting back into those old mental patterns quite easily, whether I want to or not. I try my best not to dwell on them, mostly because I don't want to build up a bunch of useless stress. I truly believe that stress plays a huge role in triggering illnesses and various other disorders.

After my last psychotic break, I started trying to put everything behind me. I told myself, "Okay, it was just an illness, period. Move on." But once I started posting on the forum and replaying the whole movie in my mind, I found myself drawn back to that supernatural feeling again. It keeps pulling me back. I thought maybe hearing about other people's experiences would help me make sense of what happened—to figure out if it was strictly schizophrenia or if there might have been something from "the other side," assuming such a thing even exists. Looking back isn't exactly pleasant, but at the same time, it feels like I'm trying to clear some mental clutter.
For me, stress isn't the main trigger; it's more about having a wild imagination and asking: "What does this all mean?" Well, once I start asking that question, I know I'm in for a rough ride.
Mark Baker17 Mark Baker17 Member
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#6312 ·
Chloe Flores83 said:Hey, flying lady... how do you actually deal with all this stuff disappearing from the house, or things moving around and then random new items just showing up? Everyone assumes people with schizophrenia are just doing it themselves and forgetting, or they straight up don't believe it even happened. Do you have any other take on it?

They notice things are missing and/or they don't see things that are supposedly "there."
An object might be physically tangible and "move" through space (or just vanish), when in reality, it was only ever visible to that one person. (Though, I guess it could also be a collective hallucination)
It’s actually pretty interesting that it’s (almost) never anything complex, like some high-end electronics; it’s always something simple in terms of shape and function that has changed position.
Someone brought up security cameras... but what if it’s actually caught on camera? That doesn't mean the hallucination theory is automatically ruled out, I suppose.
Joseph Bailey41 Joseph Bailey41 Veteran
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#6313 ·
Chloe Flores83 said:Hey, flying lady... how do you actually deal with all this stuff disappearing from the house, or things moving around and then random new items just showing up? Everyone assumes people with schizophrenia are just doing it themselves and forgetting, or they straight up don't believe it even happened. Do you have any other take on it?

It happens to people who don't even have sch... you know those comedy tropes, where a scatterbrained scientist is frantically hunting for his glasses only to realize they're perched on his nose, or a mom panicking because she can't remember if she turned off the iron or locked the front door while the family is already halfway to the beach... that's basically it. You get lost in your own thoughts or fantasies and end up running on autopilot. You perform tasks automatically and then completely blank on the fact that you bought something, moved something, or tossed something out. To me, new items appearing out of nowhere feels like the most alarming part. Moving an object takes a second, but if there's a "missing scene" in your memory—like a trip to Walmart or a quick visit to a neighbor, followed by the purchase (or theft) of a specific item and bringing it home—that’s a more serious dissociation, maybe even dissociative identity disorder. I haven't experienced those extreme cases, but the stuff involving misplaced items is usually my signal that I'm under too much stress or that my environment is getting too loud. Loud noises can really trigger flashbacks for me; suddenly, I don't just lose my place, I lose track of time itself. I end up making a complete mess of everything around me and searching like a fool. I've even found myself digging through the trash a few times just to see if I dropped my keys during one of those moments of total disorientation.

For situations like this, people often suggest mindfulness meditation—basically trying to strengthen your awareness of your surroundings, your physical state, and your mental health. But honestly, that kind of thing irritates me a little. When I'm stressed, my instinct is to solve the problem right this second, even if that means snapping at everyone around me or just needing to bail on the situation entirely. Sometimes I just want to shut down, "tune out," and escape to some fairy land filled with unicorns that fart rainbows or something. 😁
Joseph Bailey41 Joseph Bailey41 Veteran
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#6314 ·
Chloe Flores83 said:After my last psychotic break, I started trying to put everything behind me. I told myself, "Okay, it was just an illness, period. Move on." But once I started posting on the forum and replaying the whole movie in my mind, I found myself drawn back to that supernatural feeling again. It keeps pulling me back. I thought maybe hearing about other people's experiences would help me make sense of what happened—to figure out if it was strictly schizophrenia or if there might have been something from "the other side," assuming such a thing even exists. Looking back isn't exactly pleasant, but at the same time, it feels like I'm trying to clear some mental clutter.
For me, stress isn't the main trigger; it's more about having a wild imagination and asking: "What does this all mean?" Well, once I start asking that question, I know I'm in for a rough ride.

Regarding all of this... I don't think anything can be "supernatural" by definition within the laws of nature. However, reality is much more complex than we give it credit for. Everyone perceives it differently—not just because of their own biases or mental frameworks, but because our senses aren't uniform. What's an unbearable stench to one person might be barely noticeable to someone else. As for those strange, unexplainable experiences—like synchronicity or feeling mentally linked to someone far away—it doesn't make much sense to try and explain them until we have enough data, or until science establishes that a phenomenon and its mechanics actually exist objectively. My stance is basically this: X and Y happened; I have no idea why or what it means, but that's fine. I'll get answers later, or maybe I won't, and honestly, I don't care. There are other things in life. Once you establish that kind of distance, you can analyze these experiences properly—like how you'd analyze a dream. You stop spinning tales about how a snake always represents something sexual and instead look at what a snake means to that specific person—do they love snakes or fear them? Why are they afraid? Which aspect of the snake scares them most? What symbolic meanings do they attach to it? Only once you've established the meaning of the symbols can you actually interpret the dream.

It's the same with those weird things that aren't immediately rational, or even our own motivations that seem unclear to us. Someone else can often see it more clearly, which is why people go to psychotherapy (or just have deep, heavy talks with friends, partners, or even psychics). Take, for example... that trash bag sent to the academic by someone from Walmart... to me, that was a brilliant move. I found it both funny and deeply meaningful. Trash isn't exactly a complex symbol; almost everyone has the same associations with it. When we call someone "trash," we aren't implying they are an honest or moral person; we mean the exact opposite. So, I view that scene as a genius performance expressing a critical stance against the deep-seated corruption in our society that hits both business and academic circles alike. Though, I suppose it wouldn't have been quite as amusing if I were the one who "had" to perform it, so you have to factor in whatever emotions were present at the time.
Robin Lopez2 Robin Lopez2 Active Member
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#6315 ·
Chloe Flores83 said:After my last psychotic break, I started trying to put everything behind me. I told myself, "Okay, it was just an illness, period. Move on." But once I started posting on the forum and replaying the whole movie in my mind, I found myself drawn back to that supernatural feeling again. It keeps pulling me back. I thought maybe hearing about other people's experiences would help me make sense of what happened—to figure out if it was strictly schizophrenia or if there might have been something from "the other side," assuming such a thing even exists. Looking back isn't exactly pleasant, but at the same time, it feels like I'm trying to clear some mental clutter.
For me, stress isn't the main trigger; it's more about having a wild imagination and asking: "What does this all mean?" Well, once I start asking that question, I know I'm in for a rough ride.

Listen to me: There is absolutely nothing supernatural about psychosis. I used to think there was too. I actually tried to strike this perfect balance—using the bare minimum of therapy just so I could try to understand the "third eye" and all that other charlatan nonsense. It didn't work. You can just make up whatever stories you want about what happened to you.

Your brain chemistry is just broken. Your brain works randomly; it knows facts and tries to find logic, which is the worst part because your intelligence stays intact even during the illness. There is no point trying to find order or meaning in it. We have to accept that our brains are just messed up. Dammit, it’s not about lacking dopamine; it’s about having too much dopamine in your head!
Jose Ward4 Jose Ward4 Regular
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#6316 ·
What do you all think about the idea that back in the day—way before this modern civilization took over, when people were still living in tribes—those folks with intense visions were immediately elevated to the role of head shaman, teacher, or healer? It’s such a fascinating thought. People with the exact same neurological predispositions we see today were viewed through a completely different lens by their communities. Nowadays, we just label it a disorder. If you do some reading, the descriptions are striking. The very individuals who would be diagnosed with schizophrenia today were once considered the backbone of the entire tribe. Truly fascinating stuff.
Carl Rivera43 Carl Rivera43 Veteran
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#6317 ·
Technology is kind of hit-or-miss... actually, instead of saying it ruined things, let's say it fundamentally shifted how we connect with one another. Everything felt so different back when it was all just starting out... take movies, for example.

The birth of the first film

The brothers patented their invention on February 13, 1895. They showed off "workers leaving Lumiere factories" on March 22, 1895, at a photography industry conference over in France. Then, on December 28, 1895, they hosted what’s considered the very first commercial cinema screening at the Grand Cafe in Paris. They played ten short clips in the Indian salon accompanied by a live pianist. Louis Lumière filmed them in a way that made everything look incredibly real. There was this shot of a train entering station in the movie "train entering station," and it was so intense that some people actually ran for the exits thinking they were about to get crushed! There were 120 people at that first showing, and the clips were all under a minute long—that's about all you could fit on a reel containing 17 meters of celluloid. Originally, the device was called the "Kinetoscope de projection," but they quickly rebranded it as the "Cinematograph" to avoid any confusion with Edison's Kinetoscope. The name comes from the Greek words for motion and writing. It was portable, lightweight, and became a massive hit almost overnight.

Technique is one thing, but isn't it wild? It took until 1929—a full 26 years later—for the first major film award to even be handed out.

The Oscar

It’s a formal process, sure, but most people only vote in their specific categories. That means to win an Oscar in certain groups, you only need a few hundred votes.

There are a few different stories about how the award got the name Oscar. One version says Margaret Herrick, a librarian at the Academy, looked at the statuette and joked, "It looks just like my uncle Oscar!" At the very first ceremony on May 16, 1929, there wasn't much suspense because the winners had been decided three months in advance. In those early days, films were eligible if they screened anytime between July 1st and June 30th. By 1934, the window changed to the previous calendar year. Back in 1932–33, they actually used a 17-month eligibility period! Nowadays, to even be in the running, a movie has to play in theaters in Los Angeles for at least seven days between January 1st and December 31st. An Oscar is awarded for films released during that past year.
Robin Lopez2 Robin Lopez2 Active Member
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#6318 ·
Jose Ward4 said:What do you all think about the idea that back in the day—way before this modern civilization took over, when people were still living in tribes—those folks with intense visions were immediately elevated to the role of head shaman, teacher, or healer? It’s such a fascinating thought. People with the exact same neurological predispositions we see today were viewed through a completely different lens by their communities. Nowadays, we just label it a disorder. If you do some reading, the descriptions are striking. The very individuals who would be diagnosed with schizophrenia today were once considered the backbone of the entire tribe. Truly fascinating stuff.

You don't need a tribe!

I'll say something that might sound "stupid": if I stopped taking my antipsychotics right now, my religious phase would kick back in without any trouble. I'd become the next Zlatko, or hell, I'd be Jesus himself. I'd be even more spiritually powerful than him, just without the whole fraud routine involving nails through the hands, bilocation, or knowing foreign languages without ever being taught—you know, divine gifts and all that! Honestly, if believers didn't adore me, I'd tell them whatever they wanted to hear. When I was on this forum during my psychosis, typing out what now seems like total nonsense, the believers actually liked me and supported me!
Joseph Bailey41 Joseph Bailey41 Veteran
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#6319 ·
Jose Ward4 said:What do you all think about the idea that back in the day—way before this modern civilization took over, when people were still living in tribes—those folks with intense visions were immediately elevated to the role of head shaman, teacher, or healer? It’s such a fascinating thought. People with the exact same neurological predispositions we see today were viewed through a completely different lens by their communities. Nowadays, we just label it a disorder. If you do some reading, the descriptions are striking. The very individuals who would be diagnosed with schizophrenia today were once considered the backbone of the entire tribe. Truly fascinating stuff.

There’s definitely some truth to that, but from what I’ve gathered studying ethnology, having visions wasn't enough to just declare yourself a shaman, let alone the leader of the craft. Those experiences were really just an indication that someone had certain predispositions—a natural gift, if you will. To actually gain control over those abilities, they had to undergo specific initiation rites. We’d probably call it inducing a state of psychosis today, but back then, it involved things like using various plant substances, fasting, or spending long periods of isolation in sacred or even cursed locations. After all that, they would learn specific techniques from an elder shaman or healer. It was also somewhat predictable when these talents would emerge; it often showed up in childhood since there seems to be a genetic component, so early preparation would sometimes begin even then. It wasn't exactly a walk in the park, though—things could go south very quickly, and death was a very real possibility if the process went wrong. Different cultures viewed this differently, too; in some places, it was seen as a blessing, while in others, it was treated like a curse. People generally held shamans in high regard, but there was always an underlying sense of fear. Those abilities could be used for good—like healing people or influencing the weather to ensure a better harvest—but they could just as easily be used for harm, like casting spells. We also have to keep in mind that their worldview was fundamentally different from ours. They believed everything alive possessed a spirit or soul—not just animals and plants, but stones and elemental forces like the wind, rain, and sun. They believed the dead remained present among us or inhabited another realm where they watched over the living (or caused them trouble). Belief in some form of reincarnation was also quite common. Souls didn't just wander the world randomly like some people believe today; instead, they followed ancestral lines. For instance, someone might be reborn as their own great-grandchild, or perhaps only a part of their soul would pass on while the rest remained in the underworld.

Back in the day, people believed in all sorts of things, but there was usually a shared consensus within the community. We didn't really have this intense modern pluralism where everyone is constantly clashing over different viewpoints. Instead, most people operated under a single, unified system of symbols. Even the local shaman essentially functioned as a psychotherapist, though the job was way less taxing than what therapists deal with today because everyone’s internal landscape was more or less similar. Basically, someone might start out their life being seen as a bit "touched" or eccentric, but through various personal journeys, they would eventually emerge on the other side as a healer or a pillar of the community. They held that position as long as the group recognized them as such—essentially, as long as people perceived their rituals as actually working. Most of these individuals weren't exempt from the daily grind, either; they worked just as hard as everyone else. Their spiritual roles were more like an extra responsibility, and in exchange, they might receive better cuts of meat or some animal furs. Because of that, there wasn't much incentive to fake it. You couldn't just pretend to be something you weren't, which is a huge contrast to the "alternative" scene we see today.

Over the last few decades, there’s been this intense focus on studying and reconstructing various shamanic techniques—and we can't forget the massive impact the late Michael Harner had on that field. The interesting thing is that anyone can actually engage with some of these practices, regardless of whether they consider themselves a "shaman" or not. One of the simplest ways to start is just practicing gratitude for everything around you. I'm talking about acknowledging the living things, the objects, and the natural phenomena in your life. You don't even have to say it out loud; you can just hold it in your mind. It's something like thinking, "Thank you, rain, for falling and soaking the earth," or "Thank you, tomato plant, for providing food for my salad," or "Thank you, tree, for giving me shade." It's such a beautiful, grounding practice, and honestly, it doesn't require you to believe in anything supernatural to feel the benefit.
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#6320 ·
Joseph Bailey41 said:There’s definitely some truth to that, but from what I’ve gathered studying ethnology, having visions wasn't enough to just declare yourself a shaman, let alone the leader of the craft. Those experiences were really just an indication that someone had certain predispositions—a natural gift, if you will. To actually gain control over those abilities, they had to undergo specific initiation rites. We’d probably call it inducing a state of psychosis today, but back then, it involved things like using various plant substances, fasting, or spending long periods of isolation in sacred or even cursed locations. After all that, they would learn specific techniques from an elder shaman or healer. It was also somewhat predictable when these talents would emerge; it often showed up in childhood since there seems to be a genetic component, so early preparation would sometimes begin even then. It wasn't exactly a walk in the park, though—things could go south very quickly, and death was a very real possibility if the process went wrong. Different cultures viewed this differently, too; in some places, it was seen as a blessing, while in others, it was treated like a curse. People generally held shamans in high regard, but there was always an underlying sense of fear. Those abilities could be used for good—like healing people or influencing the weather to ensure a better harvest—but they could just as easily be used for harm, like casting spells. We also have to keep in mind that their worldview was fundamentally different from ours. They believed everything alive possessed a spirit or soul—not just animals and plants, but stones and elemental forces like the wind, rain, and sun. They believed the dead remained present among us or inhabited another realm where they watched over the living (or caused them trouble). Belief in some form of reincarnation was also quite common. Souls didn't just wander the world randomly like some people believe today; instead, they followed ancestral lines. For instance, someone might be reborn as their own great-grandchild, or perhaps only a part of their soul would pass on while the rest remained in the underworld.

Back in the day, people believed in all sorts of things, but there was usually a shared consensus within the community. We didn't really have this intense modern pluralism where everyone is constantly clashing over different viewpoints. Instead, most people operated under a single, unified system of symbols. Even the local shaman essentially functioned as a psychotherapist, though the job was way less taxing than what therapists deal with today because everyone’s internal landscape was more or less similar. Basically, someone might start out their life being seen as a bit "touched" or eccentric, but through various personal journeys, they would eventually emerge on the other side as a healer or a pillar of the community. They held that position as long as the group recognized them as such—essentially, as long as people perceived their rituals as actually working. Most of these individuals weren't exempt from the daily grind, either; they worked just as hard as everyone else. Their spiritual roles were more like an extra responsibility, and in exchange, they might receive better cuts of meat or some animal furs. Because of that, there wasn't much incentive to fake it. You couldn't just pretend to be something you weren't, which is a huge contrast to the "alternative" scene we see today.

Over the last few decades, there’s been this intense focus on studying and reconstructing various shamanic techniques—and we can't forget the massive impact the late Michael Harner had on that field. The interesting thing is that anyone can actually engage with some of these practices, regardless of whether they consider themselves a "shaman" or not. One of the simplest ways to start is just practicing gratitude for everything around you. I'm talking about acknowledging the living things, the objects, and the natural phenomena in your life. You don't even have to say it out loud; you can just hold it in your mind. It's something like thinking, "Thank you, rain, for falling and soaking the earth," or "Thank you, tomato plant, for providing food for my salad," or "Thank you, tree, for giving me shade." It's such a beautiful, grounding practice, and honestly, it doesn't require you to believe in anything supernatural to feel the benefit.

Joseph Bailey41, I'm right there with you on everything you said. Honestly, I haven't had much to contribute to this discussion yet, but thank you for sharing what you know. It’s so important. Maybe someone will actually learn something about their own condition—though, let's be real, nowadays everything is labeled as an "illness" even if that's not quite right. You have a way with words, too; you explained things so much more clearly than I ever could. I already knew this stuff, but I bet plenty of people here didn't. Now they do. Do you think people realize that our true environment is nature, not all this concrete and urban chaos? I can't help but wonder if we're all falling ill simply because we've been pushed away from our natural habitat. We belong in meadows, forests, among flowers and medicinal herbs—you know what I mean, right? There are so many brilliant minds out there arguing that if you take a lion out of the wild, it will fight to get back to its natural home, otherwise, it’ll just wither away, get sick, or die out entirely. We are part of that animal kingdom, after all. I truly believe we don't act any differently.

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