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briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#961 ·
Donna Campbell6 said:And don't even get me started on the politics section. If you look there... man. I can't shake the feeling that the whole thing is just one big psych ward. Every third post I read makes me want to just type, "So... you feel better now?" and walk away...

You know what's the best part though?!!!
When people finally show up and say: "Okay, we get it, you have schizophrenia, so what's next?"
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 It's definitely not great when you're forced into retirement because even your psychiatrist doesn't know how to help you anymore. Retirement benefits are only around 1,000-$500. Luckily, I have my family, but not everyone is as fortunate. On top of that, my psychiatrist actually advised me to retire.
I didn't listen, because if I did, I'd probably start acting that way for real. And if I didn't have my husband and my family—and being retired myself—God knows what else I'd be stuck doing just to make ends meet.
It's just one thing after another.
And if I were to enter politics? How could I ever forget all those years spent driving past San Francisco on my way to the beach?😁 👍
Taylor Campbell4 Taylor Campbell4 Regular
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#962 ·
Quincy:
It's hard—really hard—to come to terms with living with a permanent disability.
I suppose I’d rather embrace the denial than accept the reality...

PS: We could even place a bet on whether this is the most realistic perspective, though honestly, that feels a bit immoral on my part. 😁
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#963 ·
Taylor Campbell4 said:Quincy:
It's hard—really hard—to come to terms with living with a permanent disability.
I suppose I’d rather embrace the denial than accept the reality...

PS: We could even place a bet on whether this is the most realistic perspective, though honestly, that feels a bit immoral on my part. 😁

The real question we need to tackle here is: what actually defines a disability?
Or better yet, how should we define disability in the first place?
Taylor Campbell4 Taylor Campbell4 Regular
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#964 ·
According to Smith:
invalid

someone living with a physical or mental impairment, whether present from birth or resulting from an injury or illness.
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#965 ·
Taylor Campbell4 said:According to Smith:
invalid

someone living with a physical or mental impairment, whether present from birth or resulting from an injury or illness.

Isn't it more of a philosophical question at this point—do I actually have an impairment?👍
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#966 ·
But hold on, I actually know a woman who walked away with $300 just for a few screws and a hook $0.00.
Does that mean I'm suddenly considered disabled too?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Taylor Campbell4 Taylor Campbell4 Regular
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#967 ·
Look, I think we’re arriving at the point where cognitive therapy—assuming I have the right term and concept here—might actually be rooted quite heavily in semantics. If any experts on this forum happen to be familiar with this connection, I'd love to hear your thoughts.

I've come across a few presentations lately that illustrate this point rather beautifully.

EDIT: It just occurred to me that I read something interesting in the papers a few years back. My memory is a bit fuzzy on the details, but it was about a growing trend here in the USA toward a "new" kind of psychotherapy—one that leaned heavily on philosophy and was practiced by therapists specifically trained in philosophical thought. Personally, I find that approach incredibly compelling and potentially useful.
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#968 ·
Taylor Campbell4 said:Look, I think we’re arriving at the point where cognitive therapy—assuming I have the right term and concept here—might actually be rooted quite heavily in semantics. If any experts on this forum happen to be familiar with this connection, I'd love to hear your thoughts.

I've come across a few presentations lately that illustrate this point rather beautifully.

EDIT: It just occurred to me that I read something interesting in the papers a few years back. My memory is a bit fuzzy on the details, but it was about a growing trend here in the USA toward a "new" kind of psychotherapy—one that leaned heavily on philosophy and was practiced by therapists specifically trained in philosophical thought. Personally, I find that approach incredibly compelling and potentially useful.

Honestly, I have some great psychology books that are written for laypeople rather than professionals, yet everything is explained clearly. When dealing with psychosis, you face an ego dissolution; the real question is why ego dissolution is treated primarily with medication.
All those therapies are wonderful.
But for those experiencing psychosis, science seems to lack answers, so we just have these pills, which is essentially what exists in our modern era of 2007.
Still, I believe that even if, Heaven forbid, I were to take my own life, they would find a cure before I passed. My mother believed in that too, but she passed away.
Regardless: God gave me this for a reason.
Taylor Campbell4 Taylor Campbell4 Regular
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#969 ·
Not really—suggesting that God gave you something for a specific reason can be interpreted in countless wrong ways, most of which likely stem from some sense of guilt. And guilt is usually just us being foolish without realizing it.

Personally, I don't look at life through the lens of whether God—or anyone else—handed me a situation for a particular reason. I don't personify God that much; to me, the absolute concept of God is everything that exists, something far too vast and incomprehensible to fit within our limited imagination—it’s essentially impersonal and beyond our grasp.

Consider this: according to esoteric thought, God is the totality of all existing energies and the laws governing them. One such law is karma—the principle of cause and effect. If you follow my logic, it’s a completely impersonal law.

It simply exists, and it’s better that it does. Generally speaking, I find there is plenty of positive or negative karma at play, even if it feels otherwise in the moment. But if we look closer, we'll see it holds true.

We are subject to personal karma, sure, but we also carry the karma of the groups we belong to. We feel the karma of our nation, and as humans, we share a collective karma of all humanity...
Man isn't the center of the universe.

Keeping that in mind, a "reason" for what happens might simply be that you are part of the human race. Because of our collective karma, humanity is prone to certain flaws and imperfections. Though, perhaps that's an oversimplification.

The way I view things is that everything entering our lives is meant to serve or help us—that isn't just an intellectual theory for me, it's something I've actually experienced firsthand. This perspective leaves much less room for the kind of misinterpretation found in saying, "God gave this to me for a reason"—which is technically true in a broad sense, but still...

I doubt God has nothing better to do than micromanage each of us individually by handing out specific reasons—again, that's a conditional truth. So much misunderstanding comes from dogmatic teachings within the Church or man-made dogmas in other religions; it's hard to observe these truths without that distorted lens.

PS: As for this business with the ego dissolving—I'm not sure if you mean the disappearance of the ego, its fragmentation, or something else entirely. Even if we are talking about "ego dissolution," the reason medications are used is likely because we haven't figured out how to synthesize a cure yet—it's simply 🙂
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#970 ·
Taylor Campbell4 said:Not really—suggesting that God gave you something for a specific reason can be interpreted in countless wrong ways, most of which likely stem from some sense of guilt. And guilt is usually just us being foolish without realizing it.

Personally, I don't look at life through the lens of whether God—or anyone else—handed me a situation for a particular reason. I don't personify God that much; to me, the absolute concept of God is everything that exists, something far too vast and incomprehensible to fit within our limited imagination—it’s essentially impersonal and beyond our grasp.

Consider this: according to esoteric thought, God is the totality of all existing energies and the laws governing them. One such law is karma—the principle of cause and effect. If you follow my logic, it’s a completely impersonal law.

It simply exists, and it’s better that it does. Generally speaking, I find there is plenty of positive or negative karma at play, even if it feels otherwise in the moment. But if we look closer, we'll see it holds true.

We are subject to personal karma, sure, but we also carry the karma of the groups we belong to. We feel the karma of our nation, and as humans, we share a collective karma of all humanity...
Man isn't the center of the universe.

Keeping that in mind, a "reason" for what happens might simply be that you are part of the human race. Because of our collective karma, humanity is prone to certain flaws and imperfections. Though, perhaps that's an oversimplification.

The way I view things is that everything entering our lives is meant to serve or help us—that isn't just an intellectual theory for me, it's something I've actually experienced firsthand. This perspective leaves much less room for the kind of misinterpretation found in saying, "God gave this to me for a reason"—which is technically true in a broad sense, but still...

I doubt God has nothing better to do than micromanage each of us individually by handing out specific reasons—again, that's a conditional truth. So much misunderstanding comes from dogmatic teachings within the Church or man-made dogmas in other religions; it's hard to observe these truths without that distorted lens.

PS: As for this business with the ego dissolving—I'm not sure if you mean the disappearance of the ego, its fragmentation, or something else entirely. Even if we are talking about "ego dissolution," the reason medications are used is likely because we haven't figured out how to synthesize a cure yet—it's simply 🙂

In this case, I'd recommend looking into Freud regarding the formation of the ego, developmental psychology, and ego dissolution.
To quote: While a neurotic person, thanks to an intact ego function, is capable of critically analyzing their own behavioral disorders, a psychotic ego is too weak to undergo such processes.

There's some work by Laing R D from 1977.

You can find plenty of information on the internet; this is pure psychology, not psychiatry or spirituality.
Taylor Campbell4 Taylor Campbell4 Regular
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#971 ·
We all carry our own personal karma—it’s built into us—but we also share the karma of the groups we belong to. We're influenced by the collective energy of our nation, and on a much larger scale, there's this shared karma of humanity as a whole...
Man isn't the center of the universe.

Personally, I find that incredibly unfair—just as I'm willing to take responsibility for my own "mistakes," I have absolutely no intention of paying for someone else's.

Look, I'll admit I might have oversimplified things when I wrote that, but the core idea isn't unjust. Would you call it unfair if you happened to benefit from positive karma because you're surrounded by good people or part of a thriving society? Well, that's the same thing...

I think we really ought to put in some effort to grasp the nuance here.
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#972 ·
Taylor Campbell4 said:
We all carry our own personal karma—it’s built into us—but we also share the karma of the groups we belong to. We're influenced by the collective energy of our nation, and on a much larger scale, there's this shared karma of humanity as a whole...
Man isn't the center of the universe.

Personally, I find that incredibly unfair—just as I'm willing to take responsibility for my own "mistakes," I have absolutely no intention of paying for someone else's.

Look, I'll admit I might have oversimplified things when I wrote that, but the core idea isn't unjust. Would you call it unfair if you happened to benefit from positive karma because you're surrounded by good people or part of a thriving society? Well, that's the same thing...

I think we really ought to put in some effort to grasp the nuance here.

😁 😁 😁 I know I chose to come to Earth voluntarily, though I still need to dig deep to remember my exact reasoning. It was likely something much more subtle and complex than a simple direct command, wouldn't you agree?😁 😁 😁
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#973 ·
Taylor Campbell4 said:
We all carry our own personal karma—it’s built into us—but we also share the karma of the groups we belong to. We're influenced by the collective energy of our nation, and on a much larger scale, there's this shared karma of humanity as a whole...
Man isn't the center of the universe.

Personally, I find that incredibly unfair—just as I'm willing to take responsibility for my own "mistakes," I have absolutely no intention of paying for someone else's.

Look, I'll admit I might have oversimplified things when I wrote that, but the core idea isn't unjust. Would you call it unfair if you happened to benefit from positive karma because you're surrounded by good people or part of a thriving society? Well, that's the same thing...

I think we really ought to put in some effort to grasp the nuance here.

Oh, come on, Taylor Campbell4, give me a break! You honestly think she hasn't been busting her tail this whole time?
All you're doing is piling guilt on yourself, just like how those authority figures used to crush me—
everything happens right over our heads without us having a say.
I’ve been struggling for years, and if there had been a decent man in my life, he would’ve lifted this weight off my shoulders in a heartbeat.
Willpower, effort, conscience, responsibility... what a joke! We push and push for "progress"
until we finally just snap.
That breaking point is supposedly the peak of progress, isn't it?
But let me tell you, it’s ugly and it hurts like hell.
Just let it go.
I’ve spent my entire life practicing self-control, right up until the moment I completely fell apart.
For the last six years, I've been living with suicidal thoughts hitting me every single minute.
Could you imagine being in my shoes?
Taylor Campbell4 Taylor Campbell4 Regular
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#974 ·
I think you might have misread the situation a bit...
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#975 ·
Honestly, I’m working my tail off because I just want to be some kind of comfort to my family. I want them to see that I can hold my own just like everyone else, and seeing them feel at ease makes it all worth it. That’s how I plan to keep moving forward.😍
Olivia Kim66 Olivia Kim66 Newcomer
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#976 ·
Got a quick question.
Just want to look at one specific type of problem here.
From what I gather about shi, it's when someone has ideas or thoughts... that just don't line up with reality.
But we're often in a spot where we work, try, aim, or think... about something that hasn't happened yet, trying to make it happen, even though there's no guarantee. Like stuff that isn't even in our control, like taking a risk on a stock trade or whatever. What’s the actual link between "reality" and what we expect? There's no physical proof that an expectation will come true. So, does that mean certain visions, ideas, or risks involve elements of shi thinking?
I know there are "obvious" cases, but I'm more interested in these gray areas.
Like, say someone gets a wild idea, goes all in on something, and if it fails, people call them crazy or shi, but if it works, they're a hero.
To exaggerate a bit:
Say someone is obsessed with becoming an astronaut. They grind, but there’s zero feedback that it’ll actually happen. They stay persistent, others think they're weird, maybe they get labeled as shi. Is that it? Is that shi?
And where's the line? When should they stop hoping and stop trying to be an astronaut? Is that boundary even real? Does it even exist? It’s a question of hope, I guess. A person can hope for as long as they want, and hope is real enough by itself, otherwise, why even call it that?

And if they actually became an astronaut, everything would be fine.

Maybe I described it right. Does this have anything to do with shi, or does shi not really deal with stuff like this? If it does, then everyone deals with it, because the boundary itself isn't real.
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#977 ·
I hear you, though I haven't really let myself get carried away with any big plans lately. That's my issue. But the last time I actually treated myself to a trip to Greece, I managed to head out within just two weeks. Okay, fine, it was super last minute.

I’m definitely Sch because, honestly, if I don't stay on top of my meds, my brain just feels like it's freezing over—or maybe turning to cement.
I don't deal with hallucinations or voices telling me what to do.

I'd probably be an astronaut if I were healthy—though maybe that's linked to the fact that I genuinely don't care if something major happens or not. In my wildest dreams, though, I can see myself experiencing something like when the Vulcans arrive in First contact.😍

And please, don't go shaving your head: imagination, visualization, or just having plans in your head doesn't count as schizophrenia.
STAY STRONG!!!!!
🙂 🙂
Taylor Howard36 Taylor Howard36 Active Member
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#978 ·
briskgull27 said:I hear you, though I haven't really let myself get carried away with any big plans lately. That's my issue. But the last time I actually treated myself to a trip to Greece, I managed to head out within just two weeks. Okay, fine, it was super last minute.

I’m definitely Sch because, honestly, if I don't stay on top of my meds, my brain just feels like it's freezing over—or maybe turning to cement.
I don't deal with hallucinations or voices telling me what to do.

I'd probably be an astronaut if I were healthy—though maybe that's linked to the fact that I genuinely don't care if something major happens or not. In my wildest dreams, though, I can see myself experiencing something like when the Vulcans arrive in First contact.😍

And please, don't go shaving your head: imagination, visualization, or just having plans in your head doesn't count as schizophrenia.
STAY STRONG!!!!!
🙂 🙂

Well, I’ve been to Greece too! 👋
And specifically Athens! 👋
We even took a boat! 👋
And I mean one of those humongous, massive ocean liners! 👋

🙂

Anyway... how have you been lately? 😘 How’s everything going? 😘 😬 I haven't been checking this forum much recently...
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#979 ·
Honestly, since we’ve known each other for so long, I can tell you straight up: I would absolutely die on a boat. I tried it once, and it was just not my thing at all.

I’m doing well, actually—maybe even a little better than usual. Still, nobody from SCH has reached out yet. Are they just being completely crazy, or did they lose their computers or something? Who knows! Anyway, how about you??😁 🙂
Donna Campbell6 Donna Campbell6 Active Member
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#980 ·
briskgull27 said:Honestly, since we’ve known each other for so long, I can tell you straight up: I would absolutely die on a boat. I tried it once, and it was just not my thing at all.

I’m doing well, actually—maybe even a little better than usual. Still, nobody from SCH has reached out yet. Are they just being completely crazy, or did they lose their computers or something? Who knows! Anyway, how about you??😁 🙂

I know this girl from SCH. Haven't actually seen her in two years, though. She’s got a computer. When she’s doing alright, she gets stuff done, handles the practical side of things, passes her exams, and basically acts like SCH doesn't even exist. But when things go south... man, she falls apart so hard she wouldn't even be able to turn the computer on. Or so it seemed to me once...

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