Schizophrenia - General Discussion

briskgull27 said:Are you trying to flirt with me? I see what you're doing. But honestly, that just isn't true.😕 😕
Why not try doing a quick search online?😕 😕

Man, how would I even know what you look like? I'm telling you, I've heard this and read about it everywhere... like, there's actually data suggesting that being a bit more overweight might actually help some people avoid Sch. I'm talking actual percentages here. I'm not even messing around...

In the words of Anne: What exactly are you trying to treat if not the brain??? Air??? The soul?????
Why is everyone so obsessed with physical matter anyway?

Taylor Howard36 said:I'm "listening"... 🙂to what Laing actually had to say... 🙂

Basically, he argues that people "break" because society itself is totally dysfunctional. It’s about those crazy patterns you see in families... just being unable to handle the weight of the world. He almost suggests that Sch. isn't some disease, but more like a "journey" someone takes to try and find themselves. Back in the sixties and seventies, his ideas really shook up the whole psychiatry scene. His books were huge hits back then: "split self", "experience politics", "fact of life", "me and the others", and stuff like that...

briskgull27 said:In the words of Anne: What exactly are you trying to treat if not the brain??? Air??? The soul?????
Why is everyone so obsessed with physical matter anyway?

Oh, please—I am not afraid of anything! Especially not some "core essence" or "matter"! Matter actually fascinates me!

Donna Campbell6 said:Basically, he argues that people "break" because society itself is totally dysfunctional. It’s about those crazy patterns you see in families... just being unable to handle the weight of the world. He almost suggests that Sch. isn't some disease, but more like a "journey" someone takes to try and find themselves. Back in the sixties and seventies, his ideas really shook up the whole psychiatry scene. His books were huge hits back then: "split self", "experience politics", "fact of life", "me and the others", and stuff like that...

Of course that's right!
In my own case, having those official papers is what allowed me to maintain a decent lifestyle.
Honestly, I don't think I could ever handle the "normal" way of life here in the States.🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
Birth, school, college, marriage, kids, career, vacation, retirement, death.

The brain is made of matter, but what on earth is the soul actually composed of?

briskgull27 said:The brain is made of matter, but what on earth is the soul actually composed of?

It isn't just some physical substance. 😬

The soul is... well, it's like air. 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 I remember reading somewhere—or maybe I just imagined it, my memory is shot—that when a person passes away, they release their soul, and the body becomes lighter by a few grams, or an ounce, or something like that... I can't quite recall the exact measurement. 😵
But look, those of us who believe in God know deep down that the soul is so much more than just a puff of air!😍

Taylor Howard36 said:Oh, please—I am not afraid of anything! Especially not some "core essence" or "matter"! Matter actually fascinates me!

Even so, the scientist R. D. Laing makes a valid point about where we end up when everyone starts prescribing us pills to follow a specific path!!!!

briskgull27 said:Only about five people have weighed in so far, but I’m curious—how many members are actually in this forum?

Members: 59,032

I mean, we're talking about roughly 500 people losing their grip on reality, but you can't really compare that to getting a nose job or some breast augmentation, right?👍

Not everyone is quite as open as I am right now

briskgull27 said:Not everyone is quite as open as I am right now

Personally, I think this whole thing is pointless. 👎
I mean, what’s there to be ashamed of? If someone can just own who they are and actually talk about it—honestly, I think that’s usually more helpful than hiding.
Take my brother, for instance. He was diagnosed with vertigo—that whole dizzy, spinning sensation—and he didn't hesitate to tell all his friends straight up. And you know what? They just took it in stride, like it was no big deal at all.

True, but schizophrenia gets so mystified—is it some Hannibal Lecter type, or Frankenstein, or just someone who’s mute? Will they hear us or understand us? Will they behave okay once they get 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 there
? Look, I’d happily grab lunch with someone living with HIV if I didn't have schizophrenia... though maybe I wouldn't.
Don't pretend you don't understand when you're clearly smart enough to know.

Donna Campbell6 said:Basically, he argues that people "break" because society itself is totally dysfunctional. It’s about those crazy patterns you see in families... just being unable to handle the weight of the world. He almost suggests that Sch. isn't some disease, but more like a "journey" someone takes to try and find themselves. Back in the sixties and seventies, his ideas really shook up the whole psychiatry scene. His books were huge hits back then: "split self", "experience politics", "fact of life", "me and the others", and stuff like that...

Hmm... I don't know about all that. 😬

So, I did a little digging online and stumbled upon this—

What isn't schizophrenia?

Schizophrenia doesn't mean a "split personality," nor is it caused by traumatic childhood circumstances, personal weakness, or laziness. Even within psychiatric circles, you hear all sorts of "exotic"—and frankly, totally wrong and harmful—hypotheses regarding its origins. For instance, you'll hear talk about "schizophrenogenic mothers," double-blind communication styles, oral fixation, or the weakening of ego boundaries as supposed causes. One of the bizarre and inaccurate interpretations of how schizophrenia starts is the idea that it is actually a normal reaction to an abnormal world! It’s painfully obvious that all these theories cause immense damage to both the patients and their families, creating extra layers of suffering on top of what the illness itself already imposes.

source: http://mentalhealth.mayoclinic.org/shiz/#1

Taylor Howard36 said:Hmm... I don't know about all that. 😬

So, I did a little digging online and stumbled upon this—

What isn't schizophrenia?

Schizophrenia doesn't mean a "split personality," nor is it caused by traumatic childhood circumstances, personal weakness, or laziness. Even within psychiatric circles, you hear all sorts of "exotic"—and frankly, totally wrong and harmful—hypotheses regarding its origins. For instance, you'll hear talk about "schizophrenogenic mothers," double-blind communication styles, oral fixation, or the weakening of ego boundaries as supposed causes. One of the bizarre and inaccurate interpretations of how schizophrenia starts is the idea that it is actually a normal reaction to an abnormal world! It’s painfully obvious that all these theories cause immense damage to both the patients and their families, creating extra layers of suffering on top of what the illness itself already imposes.

source: http://mentalhealth.mayoclinic.org/shiz/#1

Great job finding that! If I were to add anything, I’d say I definitely have an oral fixation when it comes to sandwiches.😁 😁 🤣

Based on the research findings released so far by the World Psychiatric Association, it’s clear that the impact of stigma—along with the negative and discriminatory attitudes held by society toward mental health patients—creates massive hurdles for effective treatment, the progression of their illness, and their ability to reintegrate into the community.

What exactly is stigma?

Essentially, stigma is when someone gets unfairly labeled or judged just because they have a mental health diagnosis, which most often happens in cases involving schizophrenia.

Out said:I’d just add—there really isn't a better way to look at it.

Exactly, that's the core of it.

P.S. Regarding those statistics on what schizophrenia actually is—specifically its origins—I honestly think there's a lot of confusion out there, and nobody can claim to know for sure. Science, even within American medicine, is constantly shifting its perspective.

Taylor Campbell4 said:Exactly, that's the core of it.

P.S. Regarding those statistics on what schizophrenia actually is—specifically its origins—I honestly think there's a lot of confusion out there, and nobody can claim to know for sure. Science, even within American medicine, is constantly shifting its perspective.

Exactly—and you have to consider that since only about one percent of the population deals with schizophrenia, what happens then? How does it even work...? It’s just endless questions and very few actual answers...

Taylor Campbell4 said:Exactly, that's the core of it.

P.S. Regarding those statistics on what schizophrenia actually is—specifically its origins—I honestly think there's a lot of confusion out there, and nobody can claim to know for sure. Science, even within American medicine, is constantly shifting its perspective.

well, medicine *is* a science, after all 😛

....science, generally speaking, just fascinates me. 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏