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briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#1141 ·
wanderingcyclist69 said:Hey there!

So, a member of my family has been diagnosed with chronic psychosis—I think the actual term might be "acute psychosis," if I recall correctly. He had this massive hallucinatory episode about 7 or 8 years ago, and man, it was intense. He was convinced people were out to get him, so we basically packed up everything and drove all night long just trying to find a hotel where we could crash safely. We were constantly scanning the cars around us, terrified that "invisible spies" were following us or that some guys with needles were waiting around the corner to jump us and inject us with something. I was just a kid back then, and honestly? I was terrified. Eventually, we made it back and managed to get him admitted to a psychiatric hospital, where he stayed twice—once for a month and another time for three months. I found out later that he’d actually been talking about being persecuted for two or three weeks leading up to that day... it was all building up until it hit that peak, which was just one nightmare, unforgettable night for me. Since then, he’s been on medication and nothing like that has happened again. But—and here's the thing—the second his doctor tries to taper him down on the dosage, you can see the changes immediately. His gaze gets dreamy, foggy... it's like he's drifting off into another world. It breaks my heart because the meds make him seem so slowed down, like he just doesn't care about life anymore.
Financially, we're doing okay—we have what we need and I’m content with that. He holds down his job. But God, I just wish he could have that spark back—that drive he used to have at work, that ambition, that sense of pride in what he accomplished. I miss when he could actually focus on the TV so we could watch games together and yell at the referees like total maniacs. And the social side of things... I wish he could socialize again. He feels so ashamed because people know about his condition, so he just avoids everyone. He used to be the life of the party! He had friends he’d play poker with, he was hilarious, easy to talk to, just fun to be around. Now? He just hangs his head and can barely manage a bit of small talk with acquaintances.
I get it, I really do. This is a heavy illness and things might never go back to exactly how they were. I know plenty of people dealing with similar stuff who end up neglected, messy, losing their families, their jobs, their whole lives. And I know I should probably just be grateful that, hey, he's holding down a job, providing for the family, and blending in. But it eats at me—this passivity of his—even though I know deep down it isn't his fault. Part of me is being selfish and totally unaltruistic about it, but part of me is just sad because he seems so unhappy, so ashamed, so resigned to his fate. He's just lethargic, and I just want him to be happy and full of life. It’s such a horrible, helpless feeling.

I've been reading up on this, and it seems to me like there are a lot of similarities between this and schizophrenia. Is it possible he was prescribed the wrong meds? Or maybe the diagnosis itself is off? At his check-ups, the psychiatrist just looks at him for five minutes and decides whether to bump the dose up, down, or leave it alone. He even saw a private psychiatrist once, but he hated it—said the guy didn't listen to him at all. I'm wondering, are these kinds of illnesses "lifelong"? Is there actually any hope for a full recovery?

I totally get it. My family members look at me the same way, and trust me, wanting at least one family member to look at you with genuine care instead of pity is a struggle.
I hardly watch TV at all these days.
Even when I go to the doctor, half an hour feels like an eternity.
Just realize that doctors don't really have all the answers either; that's just the truth.
And I can tell you, those with psychotic symptoms are often just the same, but heightened and much more sensitive.
That silence you see isn't usually because they're "slow"; it's often because of that sensitivity.
It is possible that it's a lifelong thing.
For instance, I deal with this debatable F-22 situation, and I spend two hours every single day just ruminating on how much this sucks.
As for socializing, I see things differently.
Not in a way that's harmful, but I don't think about it in terms of how to profit from it either.
And there I go again! Once that manic energy hits, I can end up pulling all sorts of wild stunts over a six-month stretch.
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#1142 ·
There’s a comment up there claiming that schizophrenia is just a normal reaction to an abnormal environment, and arguing that isn't true.
From where I'm standing, human reality looks so surreal and chaotic that I can barely even handle watching the news.
Still, I’m planning to sit down and watch Stone’s JFK this Saturday.
I really need to finally see it.
Noah Booth84 Noah Booth84 Newcomer
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#1143 ·
A close friend of mine lives with schizophrenia, and while I care about her deeply, I don't necessarily let her behavior slide just because she’s struggling. I try not to make excuses for how she acts solely based on her diagnosis. I have my own emotions to manage, too, and I can't exactly step into the role of her therapist every single time she has a rough patch. I know they say you find out who your true friends are during hard times, but I suppose I have to look out for my own mental well-being as well.
Since her actions can be so unpredictable, I feel the impact of them quite acutely as a conscious person.
Hang in there 🙂
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#1144 ·
Hmm, let me think.
I feel like people lost any sense of good taste a long time ago, especially when it comes to discussing illness 😵 😵 🙂 😵

Honestly, there just seem to be no rules anymore.
Sometimes I can barely even sit at my computer, even though according to all the medical charts, I'm perfectly healthy. Then again, I really don't feel like calling anyone when I know I'm feeling like total garbage, and it just becomes this endless loop. 🙂 🙂 🙂
wanderingcyclist69 wanderingcyclist69 Newcomer
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#1145 ·
briskgull27 said:I totally get it. My family members look at me the same way, and trust me, wanting at least one family member to look at you with genuine care instead of pity is a struggle.
I hardly watch TV at all these days.
Even when I go to the doctor, half an hour feels like an eternity.
Just realize that doctors don't really have all the answers either; that's just the truth.
And I can tell you, those with psychotic symptoms are often just the same, but heightened and much more sensitive.
That silence you see isn't usually because they're "slow"; it's often because of that sensitivity.
It is possible that it's a lifelong thing.
For instance, I deal with this debatable F-22 situation, and I spend two hours every single day just ruminating on how much this sucks.
As for socializing, I see things differently.
Not in a way that's harmful, but I don't think about it in terms of how to profit from it either.
And there I go again! Once that manic energy hits, I can end up pulling all sorts of wild stunts over a six-month stretch.

I didn't quite catch the last part regarding the socialization aspect.
He talks to people, sure, but it's all so incredibly shallow. There's zero desire to actually connect—no interest in grabbing a coffee and debating the political landscape in the US, or talking about Klasnić's kidney surgery, or just any of those trivial things people usually chat about. He's a business-minded guy; he only engages in the communication he absolutely has to. Beyond that, there's no interest. Family gatherings are a massive chore for him, requiring an exhausting amount of effort just to "act normal," or rather, to make sure others perceive him that way. When a relative visits us, he tries so hard to hold a conversation and look interested, but the second they leave, he turns to everyone in the house and asks, "Did I behave okay?" "Was everything normal?" Then we have to sit there and reassure him that everything was perfect. This illness has seriously trashed his self-confidence.
The medication keeps him stable, but as I mentioned before, it leaves him feeling sluggish. He's been on treatment ever since he had those hallucinations I described. What really eats at me—and honestly hurts—is seeing how he's just accepted this mediocre quality of life. I want so much more for him. I want to hear genuine, loud, belly laughter. I want us to go fishing or have a backyard BBQ on the weekends; I want him to actually *live*. But the doctors just prescribe the pills and call it a day. That's their whole job.
You, on the other hand, come to this forum, you talk, you joke, you vent. You understand the illness, you fight it, and you're trying to be happy (I assume, based on what I've read). My family has just accepted things as they are, and whenever I try to shake things up or spark some interest in him, they shut me down immediately with lines like, "He's sick, why are you bothering him? Just be glad he's even functioning like this." And him? I think, mostly because of the meds, he just takes the path of least resistance—he just lets life happen to him. Like I said before, I feel incredibly helpless. I want to help him, and I just can't stomach the idea of him living such a passive, flat existence, without any real joy, big or small.
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#1146 ·
wanderingcyclist69 said:I didn't quite catch the last part regarding the socialization aspect.
He talks to people, sure, but it's all so incredibly shallow. There's zero desire to actually connect—no interest in grabbing a coffee and debating the political landscape in the US, or talking about Klasnić's kidney surgery, or just any of those trivial things people usually chat about. He's a business-minded guy; he only engages in the communication he absolutely has to. Beyond that, there's no interest. Family gatherings are a massive chore for him, requiring an exhausting amount of effort just to "act normal," or rather, to make sure others perceive him that way. When a relative visits us, he tries so hard to hold a conversation and look interested, but the second they leave, he turns to everyone in the house and asks, "Did I behave okay?" "Was everything normal?" Then we have to sit there and reassure him that everything was perfect. This illness has seriously trashed his self-confidence.
The medication keeps him stable, but as I mentioned before, it leaves him feeling sluggish. He's been on treatment ever since he had those hallucinations I described. What really eats at me—and honestly hurts—is seeing how he's just accepted this mediocre quality of life. I want so much more for him. I want to hear genuine, loud, belly laughter. I want us to go fishing or have a backyard BBQ on the weekends; I want him to actually *live*. But the doctors just prescribe the pills and call it a day. That's their whole job.
You, on the other hand, come to this forum, you talk, you joke, you vent. You understand the illness, you fight it, and you're trying to be happy (I assume, based on what I've read). My family has just accepted things as they are, and whenever I try to shake things up or spark some interest in him, they shut me down immediately with lines like, "He's sick, why are you bothering him? Just be glad he's even functioning like this." And him? I think, mostly because of the meds, he just takes the path of least resistance—he just lets life happen to him. Like I said before, I feel incredibly helpless. I want to help him, and I just can't stomach the idea of him living such a passive, flat existence, without any real joy, big or small.

]If only someone would try to help me! But as far as my family is concerned, that's the end of the story.
Take him to Ibiza; it's not too expensive, and it might actually help.[]
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#1147 ·
Socialization, or rather
society.

Honestly, I just can't wrap my head around the whole concept: you work, buy a car, have a kid, build a house, work more, travel, retire, travel some more, and then... death.
My brain just refuses to process it.
Is that just stupidity?
A lack of sensitivity?
Or maybe just a lack of refinement?
Perhaps since I haven't been able to travel physically lately, I've just been traveling through my own mind instead.
Taylor Campbell4 Taylor Campbell4 Regular
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#1148 ·
wanderingcyclist69,
I know it sounds pretty cliché, but honestly, just try to offer as much love as you can. That’s my take, anyway.
It’s a messy situation, truly. I really don't know how I would handle it if someone in my own family were dealing with this.
That said—my ex-girlfriend had a grandmother with schizophrenia—so whenever I see her, I'll ask how things are going with her grandma. I visited once and, if I recall correctly, she didn't even seem particularly unstable to me. 😁
She’s an older woman, at least 60, but she stays relatively social; neighbors drop by and all that. Her whole family is actually quite open and free-spirited—they haven't let her illness become this massive, defining thing.

And her grandmother lives on her own. She sometimes thinks people are out to get her, which leads to certain odd outbursts, and because of those paranoid feelings, she has about seven or eight deadbolts and chains on her doors.

I know how tough this is, seriously. When someone has zero willpower and has to take medications that just make them feel even more lethargic, it's hard.

Most people struggle with laziness and self-care even without those drugs and their side effects, let alone when they're dealing with them.

If I were to suggest a "prescription," it would be love and understanding—easier said than done, I know—but anyone close to someone with this condition needs to look out for themselves, too. The links she shared mentioned that those living near people with schizophrenia face a real risk of depression and similar issues.

So, that’s really the only advice I can give: love, understanding, and support. Those things are always necessary, but when someone is sick, they become even more vital. 🙂
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#1149 ·
Sure, families are supposed to look out for one another, but mine? They just don't give a damn about me.
There’s zero empathy there.
The words might be there, but the feeling behind them isn't.
And as for showing affection—well, that's a tough one. Some people just aren't wired to give much love.

But here's the paradox: I actually feel more at peace among the broken than anyone else.
Honestly, I wouldn't mind heading off to Africa to live somewhere where you're constantly fighting off flies, but I just can't bring myself to do it.
No matter how hard I try, I feel stuck, as if I've been struck down by life itself.

Have you ever seen *Million Dollar Baby*?
I’ve got maybe another 30 years left in me, and if I can pull off something great, even if it's brief, I’m going to give it my all.
I’ll make it happen.
Anyway, I've come down with a nasty bout of the flu.
Taylor Campbell4 Taylor Campbell4 Regular
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#1150 ·
Ainace, I truly want to express my full support for people living with schizophrenia and similar conditions—genuine, heartfelt support. They need to step forward and educate the public to finally strip away the stigma surrounding these illnesses.

Because this is absolutely vital—it really is—and it saves lives!

I’d encourage everyone, including those who might be hesitant, like briskgull27, to speak up more often and do so even more effectively.

How does it save lives? Well, because these conditions are still widely viewed as something to be ashamed of, they are kept hidden. Families hide them, and the topic isn't discussed, which means we end up knowing incredibly little about these struggles.
That is one major consequence.

For instance, many people can't even recognize the symptoms—which would be a huge help—leading to tragic cases where someone ends up taking their own life simply because nothing was caught or treated in time.

And look, this isn't just an issue in rural areas; even highly educated families and society at large tend to view these illnesses as a disgrace. People don't talk about it with friends or acquaintances, and that creates a devastating sense of isolation.
A friend of mine—we were in a few classes together back in high school, though we weren't best friends, just casual acquaintances—took his own life last year.
From what I gathered, he only started receiving psychiatric treatment about six or seven months before he died, following a nervous breakdown after a business venture he was passionate about fell through.

Why am I telling you this? Well, I always made an effort to drop by and see how he was doing whenever I had a spare moment. One day, I stopped by to check in, asked his brother how Tony was, and he told me things were bad—that he’d had a breakdown and was in the psych ward, but begged me not to tell anyone. And of course, without thinking twice, I kept it to myself. I think if I had mentioned it to, say, our old classmates, someone probably would have gone to visit him while he was struggling. Would that have helped? I don't know, but that isolation he faced—which was largely fueled by ignorance and stigma—definitely didn't do him any favors.

I'm not sure if I've captured the situation perfectly, but I believe it is critically important to inform the public—through any channel available—about schizophrenia and these types of illnesses, as well as the people living through them. We desperately need a movement toward empowerment and education in this area.
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#1151 ·
You know what’s actually quite interesting? Whenever I visit the hospital and walk through the wards, I see those women passing by.
It’s honestly the best feeling when I run into someone I used to be in the hospital with—we don't even need to hug to feel that connection.
I can't even put into words how much love I feel for them; it’s deeper than anything I feel for "normal" people.
From where I'm standing, who cares about the "normal" crowd when they're doing just fine?
These women really need that love, poor souls.
wanderingcyclist69 wanderingcyclist69 Newcomer
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#1152 ·
Taylor Campbell4 said:Ainace, I truly want to express my full support for people living with schizophrenia and similar conditions—genuine, heartfelt support. They need to step forward and educate the public to finally strip away the stigma surrounding these illnesses.

Because this is absolutely vital—it really is—and it saves lives!

I’d encourage everyone, including those who might be hesitant, like briskgull27, to speak up more often and do so even more effectively.

How does it save lives? Well, because these conditions are still widely viewed as something to be ashamed of, they are kept hidden. Families hide them, and the topic isn't discussed, which means we end up knowing incredibly little about these struggles.
That is one major consequence.

For instance, many people can't even recognize the symptoms—which would be a huge help—leading to tragic cases where someone ends up taking their own life simply because nothing was caught or treated in time.

And look, this isn't just an issue in rural areas; even highly educated families and society at large tend to view these illnesses as a disgrace. People don't talk about it with friends or acquaintances, and that creates a devastating sense of isolation.
A friend of mine—we were in a few classes together back in high school, though we weren't best friends, just casual acquaintances—took his own life last year.
From what I gathered, he only started receiving psychiatric treatment about six or seven months before he died, following a nervous breakdown after a business venture he was passionate about fell through.

Why am I telling you this? Well, I always made an effort to drop by and see how he was doing whenever I had a spare moment. One day, I stopped by to check in, asked his brother how Tony was, and he told me things were bad—that he’d had a breakdown and was in the psych ward, but begged me not to tell anyone. And of course, without thinking twice, I kept it to myself. I think if I had mentioned it to, say, our old classmates, someone probably would have gone to visit him while he was struggling. Would that have helped? I don't know, but that isolation he faced—which was largely fueled by ignorance and stigma—definitely didn't do him any favors.

I'm not sure if I've captured the situation perfectly, but I believe it is critically important to inform the public—through any channel available—about schizophrenia and these types of illnesses, as well as the people living through them. We desperately need a movement toward empowerment and education in this area.

Everything you wrote sounds great on paper—really, it does. It’s all wonderful theory. There are definitely people out there who want to help, whether it’s through just talking things out or other ways, but the real issue—the actual problem—is that not everyone has the best intentions. I have this neighbor who pops over for coffee every now and then, but honestly, I think she only does it to check up on us and see if we’re still "normal." She studies us from head to toe—especially him—watching every single move, every little facial expression, every tiny detail. And it isn't just her; he had people who used to be his friends before he got sick, and once everything changed, they just started labeling him as this or that. Because of people like that—even though he’s never been the type to care about the mindless chatter of idle busybodies—he just retreats into himself. He avoids everyone. If I had to describe it, I’d say it feels like he’s being publicly shamed, like it’s somehow his own fault. At least, that’s how he perceives it. I’ve tried everything—being sweet, being blunt, even being a bit harsh—to convince him that every bit of gossip or misfortune is forgotten almost instantly. People move on so fast because there’s always some new drama happening, and everyone is too busy commenting on and judging the next person or situation to dwell on the past. But it’s just... it's in him. It’s like it's hardwired, something fundamental—this sort of useless, ancient instinct that he just can't shake. People are always talking about *something*. Where would we even be if we actually paid attention to all that nonsense! I get that. I really do. But for him? It hits deep.

Regarding that first post about love and empathy—honestly, you hit the nail right on the head. I am making such a massive mistake here because I’m constantly torn in two. On one hand, there’s this deep pity and sadness I feel seeing him struggle like this, but on the other, I am just absolutely livid that I can't change anything—and even more furious that everyone else just stands by and lets things stay exactly this way. There are days when I actually sit and talk to him, really listening (even though it’s always the same repetitive loop that inevitably ends with him saying, "I'm just so glad you're such a great student, I'm proud of you, you're going to make something of your life since I couldn't"), and I have to fight just to swallow the lump in my throat and keep from breaking down. It's like he's just stuck—he's completely settled into this rut, even though I know he's suffering deep down. Then there are the days where I try to be proactive and suggest something—"Hey, let's go here, let's do this"—just to get some momentum going. Because, honestly? He could easily spend an entire day just staring at a wall from his armchair. That’s why I absolutely loathe Sundays. Every single suggestion I make hits a brick wall, whether it's coming from him or someone else, usually followed by that same tired line: "Just leave him alone, don't nag him, be grateful he has everything he needs and isn't doing any worse." And then, of course, I end up feeling like an ungrateful jerk—angry at myself, angry at him, and angry at them for refusing to help me move us past this dead end. I swear, sometimes I just want to pack up everything I own, throw it all away, and give it to a stranger just to trade it all for one single, normal, active, happy day.
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#1153 ·
wanderingcyclist69 said:Everything you wrote sounds great on paper—really, it does. It’s all wonderful theory. There are definitely people out there who want to help, whether it’s through just talking things out or other ways, but the real issue—the actual problem—is that not everyone has the best intentions. I have this neighbor who pops over for coffee every now and then, but honestly, I think she only does it to check up on us and see if we’re still "normal." She studies us from head to toe—especially him—watching every single move, every little facial expression, every tiny detail. And it isn't just her; he had people who used to be his friends before he got sick, and once everything changed, they just started labeling him as this or that. Because of people like that—even though he’s never been the type to care about the mindless chatter of idle busybodies—he just retreats into himself. He avoids everyone. If I had to describe it, I’d say it feels like he’s being publicly shamed, like it’s somehow his own fault. At least, that’s how he perceives it. I’ve tried everything—being sweet, being blunt, even being a bit harsh—to convince him that every bit of gossip or misfortune is forgotten almost instantly. People move on so fast because there’s always some new drama happening, and everyone is too busy commenting on and judging the next person or situation to dwell on the past. But it’s just... it's in him. It’s like it's hardwired, something fundamental—this sort of useless, ancient instinct that he just can't shake. People are always talking about *something*. Where would we even be if we actually paid attention to all that nonsense! I get that. I really do. But for him? It hits deep.

Regarding that first post about love and empathy—honestly, you hit the nail right on the head. I am making such a massive mistake here because I’m constantly torn in two. On one hand, there’s this deep pity and sadness I feel seeing him struggle like this, but on the other, I am just absolutely livid that I can't change anything—and even more furious that everyone else just stands by and lets things stay exactly this way. There are days when I actually sit and talk to him, really listening (even though it’s always the same repetitive loop that inevitably ends with him saying, "I'm just so glad you're such a great student, I'm proud of you, you're going to make something of your life since I couldn't"), and I have to fight just to swallow the lump in my throat and keep from breaking down. It's like he's just stuck—he's completely settled into this rut, even though I know he's suffering deep down. Then there are the days where I try to be proactive and suggest something—"Hey, let's go here, let's do this"—just to get some momentum going. Because, honestly? He could easily spend an entire day just staring at a wall from his armchair. That’s why I absolutely loathe Sundays. Every single suggestion I make hits a brick wall, whether it's coming from him or someone else, usually followed by that same tired line: "Just leave him alone, don't nag him, be grateful he has everything he needs and isn't doing any worse." And then, of course, I end up feeling like an ungrateful jerk—angry at myself, angry at him, and angry at them for refusing to help me move us past this dead end. I swear, sometimes I just want to pack up everything I own, throw it all away, and give it to a stranger just to trade it all for one single, normal, active, happy day.

I’d also add: be happy he isn't catatonic! I mean, he's so shut down, and meanwhile, I'm supposed to head to a family wedding near Venice—can you imagine?
That's my extended family for you.
Normally, the reaction should be to celebrate.
But when I remember that I'm not like them—that while they were out achieving things in life, I was sleeping, and they didn't exactly shower me with love back then because of my prickly, self-centered personality—it changes things.
Mind you, these are small details because we've spent so much time together, but if I want to show how I truly feel about all of this, I'm just not going.
I refuse to force myself to go and then have to sit there and soak up their condescending little remarks, haha.

Did you ever realize that people actually laugh at someone else's weakness???
Taylor Campbell4 Taylor Campbell4 Regular
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#1154 ·
wanderingcyclist69 said:Everything you wrote sounds great on paper—really, it does. It’s all wonderful theory. There are definitely people out there who want to help, whether it’s through just talking things out or other ways, but the real issue—the actual problem—is that not everyone has the best intentions. I have this neighbor who pops over for coffee every now and then, but honestly, I think she only does it to check up on us and see if we’re still "normal." She studies us from head to toe—especially him—watching every single move, every little facial expression, every tiny detail. And it isn't just her; he had people who used to be his friends before he got sick, and once everything changed, they just started labeling him as this or that. Because of people like that—even though he’s never been the type to care about the mindless chatter of idle busybodies—he just retreats into himself. He avoids everyone. If I had to describe it, I’d say it feels like he’s being publicly shamed, like it’s somehow his own fault. At least, that’s how he perceives it. I’ve tried everything—being sweet, being blunt, even being a bit harsh—to convince him that every bit of gossip or misfortune is forgotten almost instantly. People move on so fast because there’s always some new drama happening, and everyone is too busy commenting on and judging the next person or situation to dwell on the past. But it’s just... it's in him. It’s like it's hardwired, something fundamental—this sort of useless, ancient instinct that he just can't shake. People are always talking about *something*. Where would we even be if we actually paid attention to all that nonsense! I get that. I really do. But for him? It hits deep.

Regarding that first post about love and empathy—honestly, you hit the nail right on the head. I am making such a massive mistake here because I’m constantly torn in two. On one hand, there’s this deep pity and sadness I feel seeing him struggle like this, but on the other, I am just absolutely livid that I can't change anything—and even more furious that everyone else just stands by and lets things stay exactly this way. There are days when I actually sit and talk to him, really listening (even though it’s always the same repetitive loop that inevitably ends with him saying, "I'm just so glad you're such a great student, I'm proud of you, you're going to make something of your life since I couldn't"), and I have to fight just to swallow the lump in my throat and keep from breaking down. It's like he's just stuck—he's completely settled into this rut, even though I know he's suffering deep down. Then there are the days where I try to be proactive and suggest something—"Hey, let's go here, let's do this"—just to get some momentum going. Because, honestly? He could easily spend an entire day just staring at a wall from his armchair. That’s why I absolutely loathe Sundays. Every single suggestion I make hits a brick wall, whether it's coming from him or someone else, usually followed by that same tired line: "Just leave him alone, don't nag him, be grateful he has everything he needs and isn't doing any worse." And then, of course, I end up feeling like an ungrateful jerk—angry at myself, angry at him, and angry at them for refusing to help me move us past this dead end. I swear, sometimes I just want to pack up everything I own, throw it all away, and give it to a stranger just to trade it all for one single, normal, active, happy day.

I'm telling you, I feel the same way—I don't know what to do when there's someone like briskgull27 in the family 😬 and they tell me they aren't going to some relative's wedding!!! To a wedding 🙂 saying they won't go 😲 😠 Oh, come on, you can't 🙂 😁 😬 😍 I wouldn't stand for that 😈 🤣

I'm joking—honestly, I have no clue how I would handle it or what I'd even do. I can only imagine, just like anyone else who hasn't walked in those shoes.

As for what you were saying about your friends and neighbors, it seems like a logical reaction to me: what good are friends like that anyway? People are unpredictable, and it's certainly not exclusive to people dealing with mental health struggles; friends bail or cause drama for all sorts of reasons.
A person can always make new friends. Often, people lose connections when they change, and your dad has changed too. It’s just a more heartbreaking case because the illness is what drove that change. I really don't know. Personally, I would try my hardest not to give up on that family member. Though, I suspect I might swing toward an extreme before I eventually find the right balance.

That situation with the neighbor you mentioned is interesting, too. I'm not sure if you guys talk openly about this illness at home or what your general stance is. In my opinion, family members should be able to discuss it completely candidly—no holding back and no unnecessary drama—just accepting it the same way we’d accept a cold or the flu.
The thing is, most people simply don't understand these conditions; that neighbor likely doesn't either, so she's probably just reacting to something she doesn't comprehend.

I'm not sure if you can find any high-quality information online—maybe specifically regarding what life is like living with someone diagnosed with this condition...

Anyway, that's just me thinking out loud; please don't take it as me trying to act like a know-it-all.

It also occurs to me that people struggling with these issues often don't get the actual attention they need from others. Things can easily slip through the cracks. Perhaps, rather than all the articles and advice found online, what would actually help more is just genuine attention—maybe that would offer more insight than anything else. If you know what I mean.
I'm wishing the best for you, your dad, and the rest of your family. Regarding your father: if it isn't tomorrow, or the day after, or next month, then hopefully in a few years. I am deeply convinced that we will see progress in how these illnesses are understood, and that recovery—in the sense of maintaining a good quality of life—is possible. But all of that happens in its own time.
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#1155 ·
outoftheblue said:Does service have to be forced?
I’d honestly rather help a stranger than someone I actually know.

It does! You gotta push through! 😁

outoftheblue said:Who cares if you're eating right now—I can't.

How much does an annual blog subscription cost?????????????

Taylor Swift, oh wow, I'm eating, incredible, I've truly fulfilled my life's purpose. 😎 Actually, I haven't even eaten; the keyboard is just covered in crumbs—mostly tobacco, though I don't really eat at the computer that often. I was extra exhausted yesterday, so my finger coordination was pretty shot, which definitely showed in what I was typing.

Regarding the whole "service" thing—I was referring to those little quirks you seem to love; I think you caught my drift, since I wasn't being literal.

That drive to serve eventually comes—it's sparked by the soul. The soul's whole deal is to serve. It's just that some people take a long time to respond to that nudge, or they don't even notice it at first. The soul exists to serve.

Setting up a blog is free; you'll figure out all the details once you actually dive in. There are plenty of options. The local American blogging platforms have somewhat limited features, but if you aren't too picky, they work fine.

On Medium, you'll find a great option—since you're a bit of a high roller, this might suit you—you can pay for a dedicated space on their servers, basically a premium package, for about $15 a year. That allows you to host five sub-sections or mini-blogs under your main URL, plus you get a link on their homepage, which could be a smart marketing move to drive traffic (though I can't say for certain). Ultimately, content is king for getting visitors, but the title and the URL matter too (those are up to you).
In a standard setup, it's free; you only pay that small fee if you want those extra perks.

(And besides the domestic American blogging services, you could always opt for an international platform with better functionality. For instance, Blogspot is one of them—check my signature below. It's very user-friendly; seeing how you handled those photos, setting them up and all, you'll find the process quite similar.)

🙂
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#1156 ·
Taylor Campbell4 said:I'm telling you, I feel the same way—I don't know what to do when there's someone like briskgull27 in the family 😬 and they tell me they aren't going to some relative's wedding!!! To a wedding 🙂 saying they won't go 😲 😠 Oh, come on, you can't 🙂 😁 😬 😍 I wouldn't stand for that 😈 🤣

I'm joking—honestly, I have no clue how I would handle it or what I'd even do. I can only imagine, just like anyone else who hasn't walked in those shoes.

As for what you were saying about your friends and neighbors, it seems like a logical reaction to me: what good are friends like that anyway? People are unpredictable, and it's certainly not exclusive to people dealing with mental health struggles; friends bail or cause drama for all sorts of reasons.
A person can always make new friends. Often, people lose connections when they change, and your dad has changed too. It’s just a more heartbreaking case because the illness is what drove that change. I really don't know. Personally, I would try my hardest not to give up on that family member. Though, I suspect I might swing toward an extreme before I eventually find the right balance.

That situation with the neighbor you mentioned is interesting, too. I'm not sure if you guys talk openly about this illness at home or what your general stance is. In my opinion, family members should be able to discuss it completely candidly—no holding back and no unnecessary drama—just accepting it the same way we’d accept a cold or the flu.
The thing is, most people simply don't understand these conditions; that neighbor likely doesn't either, so she's probably just reacting to something she doesn't comprehend.

I'm not sure if you can find any high-quality information online—maybe specifically regarding what life is like living with someone diagnosed with this condition...

Anyway, that's just me thinking out loud; please don't take it as me trying to act like a know-it-all.

It also occurs to me that people struggling with these issues often don't get the actual attention they need from others. Things can easily slip through the cracks. Perhaps, rather than all the articles and advice found online, what would actually help more is just genuine attention—maybe that would offer more insight than anything else. If you know what I mean.
I'm wishing the best for you, your dad, and the rest of your family. Regarding your father: if it isn't tomorrow, or the day after, or next month, then hopefully in a few years. I am deeply convinced that we will see progress in how these illnesses are understood, and that recovery—in the sense of maintaining a good quality of life—is possible. But all of that happens in its own time.

Fine, my family's stance is to stay quiet, and nothing ever comes of it.
Their approach is basically to ignore it, which is ironic because maybe that's actually the healthiest way to handle it.
And I have a wedding to be in as a groomsman this September—I can already feel the pressure mounting!
To hell with doctors and psychiatrists and whoever came up with all this.
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#1157 ·
Source: WHO

ICD-10 Mental and behavioural disorders
ICD-10 Mental and behavioural disorders
DSM-5 Mental Disorders
When we dive into the complexities of Schizophrenia, schizotypal, and delusional disorders, where do we actually begin? It’s a vast landscape of psychological experiences that can be difficult to navigate without a clear framework. To understand these conditions, many clinicians turn to the DSM-5 Mental Disorders for guidance. This diagnostic manual helps categorize the various ways these disorders manifest, distinguishing between different types of thought patterns and perceptions. For instance, when looking at the spectrum of psychotic symptoms, how do we differentiate between a specific delusion and the broader cognitive shifts seen in other areas? The classifications are quite detailed. We see distinctions like Schizophrenia itself, which presents through various clinical lenses, or more specific presentations like Hebephrenia. There are also instances involving Catatonic behaviors, which present very differently from more common mood disturbances. Each diagnosis serves as a tool to help professionals tailor support to the individual's specific needs. It really makes you wonder: how much of our understanding is shaped by these evolving diagnostic categories? As research advances, the way we define these mental health challenges continues to shift, aiming for a more nuanced view of the human mind.
(DSM-5 Mental Disorders)

This section focuses on schizophrenia—which serves as the cornerstone of this category—alongside schizotypal disorder, persistent delusional disorders, and the broader spectrum of acute and transient psychotic disorders. Even though they remain somewhat controversial among experts, we’ve decided to keep schizoaffective disorders included in this grouping.

Schizophrenia
When we look at schizophrenia, we’re generally seeing a core set of distortions in how a person thinks and perceives the world around them. It often involves mood disturbances—either being overly intense or feeling strangely flat. Interestingly, a person's basic awareness and intellect usually stay intact, though they might deal with certain cognitive hurdles as things progress. What are the main hallmarks we see? Usually, it includes things like thought echo, where thoughts feel repeated, or the sensation that thoughts are being inserted or taken away. There's also thought broadcasting, where someone feels their ideas are being transmitted to others, as well as delusions regarding perception or a sense of being controlled by outside forces. We also see passivity or the feeling of being influenced by external powers, alongside auditory hallucinations where voices seem to comment on or discuss the individual in the third person. Toss in various thought disorders and negative symptoms, and you have the primary landscape of the condition. Does understanding these specific patterns help us better grasp the complexity of the experience?

How does the progression of schizophrenia actually look in practice? It can vary quite a bit—sometimes it’s a continuous journey, while other times it presents as distinct episodes where deficits might stay stable or gradually increase. You might even see cases involving one or more episodes followed by either a full or partial remission. When it comes to making an accurate diagnosis, timing is everything. We shouldn't label someone with schizophrenia if they are experiencing intense manic or depressive symptoms, unless it’s absolutely certain that the schizophrenic symptoms were there first. It’s also important to rule out other factors; we wouldn't diagnose schizophrenia if the symptoms are clearly caused by an underlying brain disease or are being triggered by drug intoxication or withdrawal. For instance, if similar symptoms arise due to epilepsy or another neurological condition, those would fall under the classification for organic brain syndromes. Similarly, anything induced by psychoactive substances would be categorized under the specific substance-related codes. Isn't it vital to ensure we're distinguishing between primary psychiatric conditions and those caused by external physiological factors?

Excludes: Schizophrenia
Acute (undifferentiated) (DSM-5 Mental Disorders)
Could this be a case of cyclic (F25.2)?
What exactly characterizes an acute schizophrenic reaction? When looking at the diagnostic criteria, specifically regarding those sudden-onset symptoms, how do we differentiate between various types of psychotic episodes? It’s a complex area of study, isn't it?
Schizotypal disorder (F21)
Paranoid schizophrenia? It’s one of those terms that carries a lot of weight when you hear it mentioned in conversation or read about it in clinical literature. Given how much focus there is on the different classifications within the DSM-5 Mental Disorders, it makes sense why this specific diagnosis often sparks so much curiosity and discussion. When we look at the various ways mental health is categorized, does anyone else find the nuances between different types of schizophrenia particularly fascinating? It really makes you wonder how much the presentation can vary from one person to the next.
When we look at paranoid schizophrenia, the defining features tend to be fairly stable, centered around paranoid delusions that persist over time. These are frequently paired with hallucinations—especially auditory ones—and various perceptual disturbances. Interestingly, you won't typically see significant mood disturbances, issues with volition or speech, or catatonic symptoms, as those tend to be either entirely absent or quite subtle. Is it possible that the stability of these specific symptoms is what makes this subtype so distinct?
What can we say about paraphrenic schizophrenia? It’s a specific subtype that often presents with a unique clinical picture, particularly regarding how delusions manifest. Unlike other forms where reality testing might be completely shattered from the start, individuals here often maintain a relatively intact personality and cognitive function outside of their specific delusional systems. When looking at the diagnostic landscape, how does this fit within the broader context of DSM-5 Mental Disorders? It's interesting to note how much the classification has shifted over the years. In many modern frameworks, these distinctions are being streamlined, yet understanding these nuances remains vital for grasping the full spectrum of the condition. Could it be that the focus should shift more toward the specific mood disturbances that sometimes accompany these symptoms? Understanding the interplay between thought patterns and emotional regulation is such a crucial part of the puzzle. What are your thoughts on how we categorize these complex presentations today?
Excludes: involutional paranoid state ( ICD-10 Mental and behavioural disorders )
Paranoia (DSM-5 Mental Disorders)
Is there any clinical distinction worth noting when we look at Hebephrenia? When reviewing the diagnostic criteria within the DSM-5 Mental Disorders, this specific presentation often stands out due to its unique symptomatic profile. Does anyone else find the way it manifests differently from other forms of Schizophrenia to be particularly interesting for study?
What exactly characterizes Hebephrenia? It’s a specific form of Schizophrenia where shifts in mood take center stage, while delusions and hallucinations tend to be brief and fragmented. You’ll often see unpredictable or irresponsible behavior, along with various unusual mannerisms. In these cases, the individual's emotions can seem shallow or out of sync with the situation, their thoughts become disorganized, and their speech may lose coherence entirely. Social withdrawal is also quite common. Because "negative" symptoms—like a total loss of drive or a flattened emotional response—tend to develop so quickly, the long-term outlook is usually quite difficult. Typically, this diagnosis is reserved for adolescents or young adults. Does that help clarify the clinical picture?
When we talk about disorganized schizophrenia, what exactly are we looking at? It’s a complex area of mental health that often gets misunderstood, but when you break it down, the patterns become much clearer. In clinical terms, this type of schizophrenia is characterized by significant disruptions in thought processes and behavior. Instead of the more common hallucinations or delusions seen in other subtypes, the primary struggle here is often around communication and daily functioning. Does it make sense why someone would find it difficult to hold a conversation if their thoughts aren't following a linear path? One of the hallmark signs involves "disorganized speech." This isn't just stuttering; it's a breakdown in how sentences are put together, making it incredibly hard for others to follow the logic. Then there's the issue of disorganized behavior—everything from unpredictable movements to a total lack of goal-directed activity. It can feel like the internal compass is spinning without a North Star. It's also important to look at the emotional side of things. We often see mood disturbances or a tendency toward flat affect, where emotions seem muted or disconnected from the situation at hand. When someone is navigating these symptoms, the world can start to feel very fragmented. Understanding these nuances is such an important part of the diagnostic process. By identifying these specific patterns, healthcare professionals can better tailor support to help people manage these challenges and find more stability in their everyday lives. Isn't it vital to approach these complexities with both precision and empathy?
Hebephrenia
Schizophrenia (Catatonic)
When we look at Schizophrenia, specifically the catatonic type, the most defining characteristic is how it messes with a person's physical movement. It’s almost like the body is caught in a constant tug-of-war between extremes. One moment, someone might experience intense hyperkinesis, and the next, they could slip into a deep stupor. You might even see them flip between being perfectly obedient or displaying complete negativism. It can also manifest as these rigid, fixed postures or attitudes that stay held for quite a while. In some cases, sudden outbursts of violent excitement can become a really striking part of the episode. On top of all that, these catatonic symptoms can sometimes blend into a dream-like, oneiroid state, where vivid, cinematic hallucinations take over. Isn't it fascinating how much the mind can influence the very way the body moves?
Is there anything more profound than the stillness of catatonic stupor? It’s such a heavy, complex state to contemplate. When someone enters this level of inactivity, they aren't just resting—they are essentially unresponsive to their surroundings, almost as if they've retreated into a world entirely their own. It makes you wonder: how does the mind decide to simply shut the doors like that? Is it a protective mechanism, or perhaps a complete breakdown in communication between the brain and the body? It’s a powerful reminder of just how intricate our mental health truly is.
Schizophrenia:
Could there be anything more baffling than the phenomenon of catalepsy? It’s one of those medical mysteries that really makes you stop and think about the incredible complexity of the human mind and body. When someone enters a state of catalepsy, they seem to slip into a trance where their muscles become rigid and they don't respond to external stimuli. It’s almost like the connection between the consciousness and the physical self just hits a temporary pause button. Isn't it fascinating how the brain can essentially "unplug" from its usual physical commands? It definitely brings up so many questions about the boundaries of awareness and how our nervous system manages our movements. Have you ever wondered what exactly triggers such a profound shift in how we interact with the world around us?
Catatonia
Is there anything quite as fascinating as how the mind can sometimes lose its ability to adapt? I’ve been thinking lately about the concept of "waxy flexibility." It’s such a striking clinical phenomenon—that state where a person remains in whatever physical position they are placed, almost like they’re made of wax. It really makes you wonder about the deep connection between our mental states and our physical presence, doesn't it? It’s one of those complex symptoms that reminds us just how intricate the human experience truly is.
Is there any way to truly pin down a diagnosis like Undifferentiated Schizophrenia? It’s one of those categories that feels a bit elusive, isn't it? When we look at the clinical landscape, this specific classification sits within the broader spectrum of DSM-5 Mental Disorders, often acting as a catch-all when someone exhibits various symptoms but doesn't quite fit the rigid criteria for more specific types. It’s an interesting area of study because it highlights how fluid mental health can be. How do clinicians decide when a presentation moves from one subtype to another? It makes you wonder if our diagnostic tools are catching the full nuance of the human experience, or if we're just trying to find order in the chaos.
What happens when a patient meets the full diagnostic criteria for schizophrenia, yet doesn't quite fit neatly into the specific categories found in the F20.0-F20.2 range? Sometimes, clinical presentations are just too complex for a single label. You might see someone displaying features from multiple subtypes simultaneously, without one particular set of symptoms clearly taking the lead. In these cases where the diagnosis is certain but the subtype is ambiguous, how should we best approach the classification?
Atypical schizophrenia
Excludes: acute schizophrenia-like psychotic disorder ( DSM-5 Mental Disorders )
chronic undifferentiated schizophrenia ( DSM-5 Mental Disorders )
post-schizophrenic depression ( DSM-5 Mental Disorders )
F20.4 Post-schizophrenic depression
A depressive episode, which might be prolonged, appearing in the wake of a schizophrenic illness. Certain schizophrenic symptoms—whether "positive" or "negative"—must still be detectable, though they no longer define the primary clinical picture. These depressive states are linked to a higher risk of suicide. If the patient no longer exhibits any schizophrenic symptoms, a depressive episode should be the diagnosis (DSM-5 Mental Disorders). However, if the schizophrenic symptoms remain vivid and dominant, the diagnosis should stay within the appropriate schizophrenic subtype (DSM-5 Mental Disorders).
F20.5 Residual schizophrenia
A chronic phase in the progression of a schizophrenic illness where there has been a distinct shift from early stages to a later stage. This phase is defined by long-term, though not always permanent, "negative" symptoms, such as psychomotor slowing, general inactivity, Mood disturbances, a lack of initiative or passivity, diminished speech quantity or depth, and poor nonverbal cues like facial expressions, eye contact, tone of voice, and posture, as well as struggles with self-care and social functioning.
Chronic undifferentiated schizophrenia
Residual schizophrenic state
Schizophrenic residual state
F20.6 Simple schizophrenia
A disorder involving a gradual but steady development of unusual behaviors, an inability to meet societal expectations, and a decline in overall performance. The hallmark negative features of residual schizophrenia (such as Mood disturbances and loss of willpower) emerge without being preceded by obvious psychotic symptoms.
F20.8 Other schizophrenia
Cenesthopathic schizophrenia
Schizophreniform:
· disorder NOS
· psychosis NOS
Excludes: brief schizophreniform disorders ( DSM-5 Mental Disorders )
F20.9 Schizophrenia, unspecified

F21 Schizotypal disorder
A disorder marked by eccentric behavior and irregularities in thought and mood that look similar to those found in schizophrenia, even though definitive, characteristic schizophrenic anomalies don't appear at any point. Symptoms can include a cold or mismatched affect, anhedonia, quirky or odd behaviors, a tendency to withdraw socially, and paranoid or strange ideas that don't quite reach the level of true delusions. It may also involve obsessive thoughts, thought disorders, and perceptual issues, along with occasional brief, quasi-psychotic episodes featuring intense illusions, auditory or other hallucinations, and delusion-like ideas, which usually happen without an external trigger. There isn't a distinct onset, and the course typically follows that of a personality disorder.
Latent schizophrenic reaction
Schizophrenia:
· borderline
· latent
· prepsychotic
· prodromal
· pseudoneurotic
· pseudopsychopathic
Schizotypal personality disorder
Excludes: Asperger's syndrome ( DSM-5 Mental Disorders )
schizoid personality disorder ( DSM-5 Mental Disorders )

F22 Persistent delusional disorders
This includes various disorders where long-lasting delusions serve as the sole or most prominent clinical feature, and which cannot be categorized as organic, schizophrenic, or affective. Delusional disorders lasting less than a few months should be classified, at least temporarily, under DSM-5 Mental Disorders.
F22.0 Delusional disorder
A disorder characterized by the emergence of either one single delusion or a group of related delusions that are generally persistent and sometimes last a lifetime. The specific content of these delusions varies widely. Clear and constant auditory hallucinations (voices), typical schizophrenic symptoms like delusions of control or significant Mood disturbances, and concrete evidence of brain disease are all inconsistent with this diagnosis. That said, the presence of occasional or fleeting auditory hallucinations—especially in older patients—doesn't rule this out, provided they aren't typically schizophrenic and represent only a minor part of the clinical picture.
Paranoia
Paranoid:
· psychosis
· state
Paraphrenia (late stage)
Delusional perception
Excludes: paranoid:
· personality disorder ( DSM-5 Mental Disorders )
· psychosis, psychogenic ( DSM-5 Mental Disorders )
· reaction ( DSM-5 Mental Disorders )
· schizophrenia ( Schizophrenia )
F22.8 Other persistent delusional disorders
These involve disorders where delusions are paired with persistent auditory hallucinations or certain symptoms that don't quite meet the full criteria for a schizophrenia diagnosis (DSM-5 Mental Disorders).
Delusional dysmorphophobia
Involutional paranoid state
Litigious paranoia
F22.9 Persistent delusional disorder, unspecified
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#1158 ·
F23: Acute and transient psychotic disorders
What exactly defines Acute and transient psychotic disorders? It’s essentially a diverse group of conditions marked by the sudden appearance of psychotic symptoms—think things like delusions, hallucinations, or sensory disturbances—alongside a major disruption in a person's typical behavior. When we talk about "acute onset," we mean that the clinical picture builds up quite rapidly, reaching its peak in about two weeks or even sooner. Interestingly, there’s no evidence that these issues stem from an underlying organic cause. While someone experiencing this might feel incredibly perplexed or puzzled, they don't typically experience the kind of persistent or severe disorientation regarding time, place, or identity that would point toward a diagnosis of delirium (F05.-). The good news is that most people see a complete recovery within a few months, though it often happens much faster—sometimes in just a few weeks or even a matter of days. Of course, if the symptoms stick around longer than expected, we’d have to look at changing the classification. Does stress play a role? It can. These episodes may or may not be triggered by acute stress, which we generally define as highly stressful life events occurring one to two weeks before the symptoms begin.
F23.0 Acute polymorphic psychotic disorder without symptoms of schizophrenia
What does it look like when a psychotic episode doesn't follow a steady path? We’re talking about Acute and transient psychotic disorders—a group of conditions where hallucinations, delusions, or sensory distortions are front and center, but they aren't constant. Instead, they can shift wildly, sometimes changing from one day to the next or even hour to hour. It isn't just about the perceptions, though. There’s often a significant emotional roller coaster involved, ranging from sudden bursts of euphoria and ecstasy to intense waves of anxiety or irritability. This kind of instability and variety is exactly what defines the clinical picture, and it's important to note that these specific features don't meet the criteria for a schizophrenia diagnosis (F20.-). Usually, these disorders hit hard and fast, ramping up within just a few days. The good news? They often resolve just as quickly as they arrived, without coming back. But what happens if the symptoms don't fade? If they stick around, the diagnosis typically shifts toward persistent delusional disorder (F22.-).
Is it possible to experience Bouffée délirante without any overlapping symptoms of schizophrenia or an unspecified diagnosis? It’s a question worth exploring when looking at how these sudden episodes manifest. Does the absence of certain indicators change the way we view the condition entirely?
Could we be looking at cycloid psychosis without symptoms of schizophrenia, or perhaps an unspecified case?
When we look at F23.1, specifically Acute polymorphic psychotic disorder with symptoms of schizophrenia, what are we actually seeing? It’s a complex diagnosis that often presents a wide variety of shifting symptoms. Does anyone else find the "polymorphic" aspect particularly challenging to navigate when discussing clinical presentations?
What happens when a patient presents with an acute psychotic disorder where the clinical picture is constantly shifting and unpredictable? This specifically refers to cases described under F23.0. Even though there is significant instability in how the symptoms manifest, most patients will still display features typical of schizophrenia for the majority of the time. It leads to an interesting diagnostic question: what happens if those schizophrenic symptoms don't fade? If they persist over time, the diagnosis needs to be updated to schizophrenia (F20.-).
Could we be looking at Bouffée délirante with symptoms of schizophrenia F23? It’s an interesting clinical distinction to consider, isn't it?
Is it possible to distinguish between different types of psychotic episodes? When looking at the clinical landscape, one specific diagnosis often sparks discussion: Cycloid psychosis with symptoms of schizophrenia F23. It’s an interesting area of study, isn't it?
Is anyone else following the updates on F23.2, specifically regarding Acute and transient psychotic disorders? It’s an interesting area of study, isn't it? When you look at how these acute schizophrenia-like psychotic disorders present, there is so much complexity to unpack. Does anyone have insights on the specific diagnostic nuances here?
Think of this as an acute psychotic disorder where the symptoms stay relatively steady. Even though they might look like schizophrenia, they haven't crossed that one-month threshold yet. You won't see those erratic, shifting features typically found in F23 Acute and transient psychotic disorders. However, if these schizophrenic symptoms don't clear up and continue to persist, the diagnosis would then need to be updated to schizophrenia (F20.-). Isn't it interesting how much timing matters in these clinical assessments?
What can we actually say about acute (undifferentiated) schizophrenia? It’s one of those classifications that always sparks a bit of a conversation because it feels so broad. When symptoms don't quite fit neatly into the specific boxes of paranoid or disorganized schizophrenia right away, this is where things land. It really makes you wonder: how much of this is about the clinical reality of the symptoms, and how much is just our way of labeling a period of intense uncertainty? It’s a complex area of study, but understanding these nuances is such an important part of the bigger picture.
Could we be looking at brief schizophreniform?
Is there anything more complex than trying to navigate a diagnosis? When we talk about F23, specifically looking at how Acute and transient psychotic disorders present themselves, it really makes you wonder how much of the experience is tied to the individual versus the clinical definition. It’s a heavy topic, isn't it?
What are your thoughts on psychosis?
Oneirophrenia
Is there anything more complex to navigate than a schizophrenic reaction? It feels like a puzzle where the pieces are constantly shifting under your feet. When you're dealing with these sudden shifts in perception or behavior, how do you even begin to find a steady footing? It’s a lot to process, both for the person experiencing it and those standing by their side. Does anyone else feel like they're constantly learning a new language just to keep up with the changes?
Note that this category excludes organic delusional [schizophrenia-like] disorder (F06.2).
Is there much to say about schizophreniform disorders NOS (F20.8)? It remains one of those diagnostic categories that leaves us wondering how much we truly understand about its specific boundaries. Does anyone else find the "not otherwise specified" label a bit frustrating when trying to pin down a clear clinical picture?
What exactly falls under the category of F23.3? Specifically, I'm looking at "Other acute predominantly delusional psychotic disorders." It’s an interesting classification, isn't it? Does anyone have more insight into how this specific diagnosis is applied in clinical practice?
What exactly defines Acute and transient psychotic disorders? Essentially, we’re looking at cases where relatively stable delusions or hallucinations serve as the primary clinical markers, yet they don't quite meet the full diagnostic criteria for schizophrenia (F20.-). It's an interesting distinction, isn't it? However, if those delusions end up sticking around long-term, the diagnosis needs to be updated to persistent delusional disorder (F22.-).
Is there anything more unsettling than a sudden paranoid reaction? It can feel like the world shifts beneath your feet without warning. When those feelings of suspicion or intense unease start to creep in, it really makes you wonder how to navigate the next few hours or days. Does anyone else find that certain triggers make this feeling much harder to manage?
Is there any clarity to be found when discussing psychogenic paranoid psychosis? It’s one of those complex topics that often leaves people searching for answers. When we look at how psychological stressors can trigger such intense experiences, it really makes you wonder about the delicate balance of the human mind, doesn't it?
F23.8 Other acute and transient psychotic disorders
Are there any other specific acute psychotic disorders that lack evidence of an organic cause and wouldn't fall under the classification for F23.0 through F23.3?
F23.9 Acute and transient psychotic disorders, unspecified
Brief reactive psychosis NOS
Reactive psychosis—it’s a heavy topic, isn't it? It often feels like a sudden, overwhelming storm that hits out of nowhere, triggered by intense stress or a major life upheaval. When the mind is pushed to its absolute limit, sometimes it just reacts in ways we didn't see coming. It's an interesting phenomenon to consider, don't you think? How much can one person endure before the psychological "circuit breaker" trips? While it can be incredibly disorienting for everyone involved, understanding that it's a response to extreme pressure can be a helpful starting point for recovery.

F24 Induced delusional disorder
Have you ever wondered about the psychological phenomenon where a delusion is actually shared between two or more people who share a deep emotional bond? It’s a fascinating concept. In these cases, only one individual is truly experiencing a primary psychotic disorder; the others essentially adopt the delusions through influence. Interestingly, these shared beliefs typically vanish once the individuals are separated. Isn't it curious how much our closest relationships can shape our perception of reality?
Folie à deux
Induced:
· paranoid disorder
· psychotic disorder

F25 Schizoaffective disorders
These are episodic disorders where both mood and schizophrenic symptoms are quite prominent, yet they don't quite meet the full criteria for a standalone diagnosis of schizophrenia or a specific manic/depressive episode. If mood symptoms are just layered on top of an existing schizophrenic illness, or if they alternate with persistent delusional disorders, those fall under the F20-F29 range. It's worth noting that mood-incongruent psychotic symptoms within affective disorders aren't enough to trigger a schizoaffective diagnosis.
F25.0 Schizoaffective disorder, manic type
In this disorder, both schizophrenic and manic symptoms are major players, meaning a single episode doesn't clearly point to just one or the other. We use this category for both isolated incidents and recurring issues where most episodes lean toward the schizoaffective, manic type.
Schizoaffective psychosis, manic type
Schizophreniform psychosis, manic type
F25.1 Schizoaffective disorder, depressive type
Here, both schizophrenic and depressive symptoms take center stage, so the illness episode alone doesn't justify calling it strictly schizophrenia or a standard depressive episode. This applies to both single occurrences and recurrent patterns where the majority of episodes are schizoaffective, depressive type.
Schizoaffective psychosis, depressive type
Schizophreniform psychosis, depressive type
F25.2 Schizoaffective disorder, mixed type
Cyclic schizophrenia
Mixed schizophrenic and affective psychosis
F25.8 Other schizoaffective disorders
F25.9 Schizoaffective disorder, unspecified
Schizoaffective psychosis NOS

F28 Other nonorganic psychotic disorders
These include delusional or hallucinatory disorders that don't fit the diagnostic requirements for schizophrenia (F20.-), persistent delusional disorders (F22.-), Acute and transient psychotic disorders (F23.-), psychotic versions of manic episodes (F30.2), or severe depressive episodes (F32.3).
Chronic hallucinatory psychosis

F29 Unspecified nonorganic psychosis
Psychosis NOS
Excludes: mental disorder NOS ( F99 )
organic or symptomatic psychosis NOS ( F09 )

Processed on 05.04.2006 M.S. Source: World Health Organization
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#1159 ·
Schizophrenia
F20.0 Paranoid schizophrenia
F20.1 Hebephrenic schizophrenia
F20.2 Catatonic schizophrenia
F20.3 Undifferentiated schizophrenia
F20.5 Residual schizophrenia
F20.6 Simple schizophrenia
F20.8 Other schizophrenia
F20.9 Schizophrenia, unspecified
F23.0 Acute polymorphic psychotic disorder without symptoms of schizophrenia
F23.1 Acute polymorphic psychotic disorder with symptoms of schizophrenia
F23.2 Acute schizophrenia-like psychotic disorder

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briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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F25.0 Schizoaffective disorder, manic type
This condition occurs when someone experiences significant symptoms of both schizophrenia and mania simultaneously. Because these features overlap so heavily, a standalone diagnosis of just schizophrenia or just a manic episode doesn't quite capture the full picture. This classification applies whether it's a one-time occurrence or a recurring pattern where most episodes fall into this specific manic-type category.
Schizoaffective psychosis, manic type
Schizophreniform psychosis, manic type


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