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briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#1181 ·
Harold Anderson3 said:So, just diapers then?🙄
By the way, we actually got lucky getting ten minutes out of that; usually, it's about three before they yell "next!"
And it's not like God handed you this illness... you don't honestly believe you had to get sick, do you? It could have gone a different way. It’s a shame it didn't, but things happen.

Theoretically, why not? God works in mysterious ways.

You know, like Yin and Yang.

As for your mom, her care will scale with her age—maybe focus more on me since I actually have potential for success; after all, I'm her main project.

Regarding the diapers, I'll have to ask, because she mentioned her doctor gets annoyed with her when she uses the restroom.
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#1182 ·
hi briskgull27, I’m reaching out to you from San Francisco. I just wanted to let you know that I follow your posts religiously, and I was hoping I could pick your brain for a bit of advice if you have a moment. So... here’s the situation. It involves a close family member. This person used to be quite selfish—very self-centered and focused entirely on her own needs. She was emotionally incapable of recognizing when a little soul was suffering; she might have realized it, but she consciously chose to sweep it under the rug. Later on, she had another child just so she wouldn't be alone (there's a 17-year age gap between them), and since then, she has struggled with both mental and physical health issues. Now I’m wondering what you think from an outsider's perspective: is it better to just stay cool and keep my distance, or should I try to step in and offer some comfort, even though she was always so stingy with her empathy? Honestly, I think you're a great person based on your posts, which is actually why I signed up for this forum. If you ever find yourself in San Francisco, let me know—I'd love to grab a coffee. Talk soon!😍
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#1183 ·
It looks like there might have been a typo or an incomplete thought in your message! Did you mean to share something specific, or were you looking for a particular discussion? I'm all ears and ready to dive in whenever you're ready to chat! kaže:
Hi briskgull27, I’m writing to you from San Francisco. I just wanted to let you know that I follow your posts regularly, and I was hoping to ask for a bit of advice if you have a moment to help. So, here is the situation... it involves a close family member. In the past, this person was quite selfish—very self-centered and focused primarily on her own needs. She seemed emotionally incapable of seeing when a little one was suffering; she definitely realized the child was hurting, but she consciously chose to sweep it under the rug. Later on, she had another child so she wouldn't be alone (there's a 17-year age gap between them), and since then, she has been struggling with both mental and physical health issues. I’m wondering what you think from an outside perspective: is it better to just stay cool and detached, or should I try to step in and offer comfort, even though she used to be so stingy with affection? By the way, I think you're a wonderful person based on your posts, which is actually why I decided to register here! If you ever find yourself in San Francisco, let me know—I'd love to grab coffee. Talk soon!😍

Da dadadadadadada ☕ ☕ ☕ ☕ ☕ ☕

OK, just for the record, here is my take: You help because it’s simply the human thing to do—provided it doesn't end up taking a toll on your emotional well-being, your spiritual growth, or your ego. Is it worth it if you lose yourself in the process?

If I were that kind of person, OK, I honestly can't imagine it. If I ever have kids, I’ll probably end up smothering them with way too much love!

On a different note, I don't have a mother anymore, but there’s still this nagging feeling that haunts me—the sense that I'll never quite live up to her. It's that impossible standard of perfection that only exists when someone is gone.
I've still got my dad, my grandma, my brother, and my husband around (though honestly, screw my husband). 🙂 ).
I’m giving them a piece of my mind, but honestly, I'm worried. My parents might pass away still believing they're perfectly sane while thinking I'm the one losing it. As for my brother, though, I can still see a glimmer of hope for him.
☕

I visited San Francisco once, but I never actually made it off the boat! 🙂
swiftcobra43 swiftcobra43 Newcomer
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#1184 ·
briskgull27 said:If a friend has schizophrenia and is 40 years old, they’re still dealing with the same reality.
10 minutes.
The thing is, if you sat there talking to her for 48 hours straight, it wouldn't change a thing.
It’d be better to just take her to see Sai Baba.

What’s the point of living?
Honestly, I keep going because I’m terrified of what comes next, you know?

Looking at it through different lenses: 1) God gave me this illness and expects me to endure it.
2) The Devil gave it to me, and even if I check out, God won't give a damn about me.

Could it be that the Devil should actually be God?
Questions?

Anyway, I believe in that damn karma and I just take it on the chin.
Even if it feels totally pointless, so be it!

It really is like that. I faced my own set of issues, and I viewed the whole thing as a literal war between God and the Devil playing out inside my own heart. I truly believed I was fighting for God, and in the end, I came out on top. There were moments when I thought I was going to snap—I honestly felt like I couldn't take another step—and then I developed these gut issues that were clearly psychosomatic. I never touched a single pharmaceutical; I fought it purely through sheer willpower. Eventually, that crushing sickness receded, and I've been fine since. But I think you're right about the core of it. When I was in the thick of it, I wasn't certain, but I had this overwhelming intuition. Then I read a passage from Dostoevsky where he explains that God and the Devil are in constant conflict, and the battlefield is the human heart. Well, once I read that, I knew. That was it.
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#1185 ·
swiftcobra43 said:It really is like that. I faced my own set of issues, and I viewed the whole thing as a literal war between God and the Devil playing out inside my own heart. I truly believed I was fighting for God, and in the end, I came out on top. There were moments when I thought I was going to snap—I honestly felt like I couldn't take another step—and then I developed these gut issues that were clearly psychosomatic. I never touched a single pharmaceutical; I fought it purely through sheer willpower. Eventually, that crushing sickness receded, and I've been fine since. But I think you're right about the core of it. When I was in the thick of it, I wasn't certain, but I had this overwhelming intuition. Then I read a passage from Dostoevsky where he explains that God and the Devil are in constant conflict, and the battlefield is the human heart. Well, once I read that, I knew. That was it.

Muchas gracias, but as far as I'm concerned, God is the Devil.

What kind of God would it be if He wasn't just a total coward?

And regarding the struggle, for me too, it happens in the heart, not in the brain.🤣 🤣 🤣 😁 😁 😁

Now, as for the connection between the soul and medication, I would suggest that drugs act on the physical plane via metabolism, which then affects the psyche, and eventually reaches the soul.👍
I'm just too much of a wimp to stop taking them.🙂 🙂 🙂
swiftcobra43 swiftcobra43 Newcomer
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#1186 ·
briskgull27 said:Muchas gracias, but as far as I'm concerned, God is the Devil.

What kind of God would it be if He wasn't just a total coward?

And regarding the struggle, for me too, it happens in the heart, not in the brain.🤣 🤣 🤣 😁 😁 😁

Now, as for the connection between the soul and medication, I would suggest that drugs act on the physical plane via metabolism, which then affects the psyche, and eventually reaches the soul.👍
I'm just too much of a wimp to stop taking them.🙂 🙂 🙂

Perhaps God is schizophrenic himself, split into two distinct personalities. I suspect God struggles to fight for good and to cast out the evil within Himself; I imagine if the Devil wins, He will become the Devil, and instead of paradise, we will all face hell. Who can say for certain?

I honestly believe medications are a third kind of God. At least, that is my view: once you are on medication, you are no longer truly yourself...

It is difficult to exist without medication. When I recall how close I came to death—there was one moment where I thought, "this might be it," and everything just stopped. Ever since that night.
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#1187 ·
swiftcobra43 said:Perhaps God is schizophrenic himself, split into two distinct personalities. I suspect God struggles to fight for good and to cast out the evil within Himself; I imagine if the Devil wins, He will become the Devil, and instead of paradise, we will all face hell. Who can say for certain?

I honestly believe medications are a third kind of God. At least, that is my view: once you are on medication, you are no longer truly yourself...

It is difficult to exist without medication. When I recall how close I came to death—there was one moment where I thought, "this might be it," and everything just stopped. Ever since that night.

I've personally learned how to stop seeing everything in such black and white.

The medication isn't the end-all, be all; even though I take them, I don't feel like I have to struggle just to remain myself.

Think about it like when an apple fell on Newton and he discovered gravity—maybe E=mc² or E=E is just another version of that logic.
So, it feels illogical to suggest we should just be erased like trash in a Recycle bin. I'm certain of that much, even if the destination of that void is called "silence" or perhaps something like hell.

Still, maybe I should just end it all, since that is the one thing I truly fear.

I'm really curious: What exactly is the Devil?
swiftcobra43 swiftcobra43 Newcomer
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#1188 ·
briskgull27 said:I've personally learned how to stop seeing everything in such black and white.

The medication isn't the end-all, be all; even though I take them, I don't feel like I have to struggle just to remain myself.

Think about it like when an apple fell on Newton and he discovered gravity—maybe E=mc² or E=E is just another version of that logic.
So, it feels illogical to suggest we should just be erased like trash in a Recycle bin. I'm certain of that much, even if the destination of that void is called "silence" or perhaps something like hell.

Still, maybe I should just end it all, since that is the one thing I truly fear.

I'm really curious: What exactly is the Devil?

I believe we all harbor these evil spirits within us, and they slowly begin to emerge. There is this restlessness that sets in as a person matures, and all that. Some people simply cannot endure it. In the beginning of life, a person is incredibly aggressive and loud, but eventually, they settle down. However, not everyone succeeds in conquering their demons; some are overwhelmed by them, and that is simply the reality. Just as there is God within us and everyone feels that presence, there is also the Devil within us, yet no one wants to speak of it. Everyone carries these filthy, repulsive thoughts, standing ready for the moment to act upon their wicked impulses.

There is a verse in Ocenas that says:

Ocenas, do not lead us into evil...

The psychologist Jung actually examined that sixth verse and remarked: how can it be that God leads a man toward evil? It raises the same question: is evil a part of God? Is the Devil then His assistant? Truly, how can God lead a person into evil? Perhaps it is better for a person if God gives them problems to solve, but it is certainly not good for Him to test them by leading them into darkness.

Personally, I believe the entire world is nothing more than a battlefield between God and the Devil. And I suspect the outcome of this struggle remains entirely uncertain.
Brian Moore2 Brian Moore2 Active Member
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#1189 ·
briskgull27 said:If a friend has schizophrenia and is 40 years old, they’re still dealing with the same reality.
10 minutes.
The thing is, if you sat there talking to her for 48 hours straight, it wouldn't change a thing.
It’d be better to just take her to see Sai Baba.

What’s the point of living?
Honestly, I keep going because I’m terrified of what comes next, you know?

Looking at it through different lenses: 1) God gave me this illness and expects me to endure it.
2) The Devil gave it to me, and even if I check out, God won't give a damn about me.

Could it be that the Devil should actually be God?
Questions?

Anyway, I believe in that damn karma and I just take it on the chin.
Even if it feels totally pointless, so be it!

1. Let’s get one thing straight: God doesn't just hand out illnesses to people unless they actually want to be sick themselves. You chose this path because you have a craving for being a victim, so fine, God granted your wish. Even an omnipotent God isn't going to override your own free will.

2. And as for the Devil? He doesn't exist. That's just a fairy tale people cooked up to scare the mindless masses.

😁
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#1190 ·
Vitamin B-3 and Schizophrenia: Discovery, Recovery, Controversy
by Abram Hoffer, MD
Quarry Press, Kingston, Ontario, Canada (1998) ISBN 1-55082-079-6
Softcover, 150 pages plus bibliography and two appendices.

Review by Andrew Saul, PhD

The United States Patent Office delayed issuing a patent on the Wright brothers’ airplane for five years because it clashed with established scientific principles. That part is actually true. But here is the parallel: Vitamin B-3, or niacin, has been scientifically shown to be effective against psychosis, yet the medical establishment has dragged its feet on endorsing it. Not for five years, though—but for fifty.

Back in 1952, Abram Hoffer, PhD, MD, had just finished his psychiatry residency. Even more impressive, he had demonstrated—using the very first double-blind, placebo-controlled studies ever conducted in the field of psychiatry—that vitamin B-3 could treat schizophrenia. You would think that psychiatrists everywhere would have beaten down a path to Saskatchewan to replicati The findings of this Young Director of Psychiatric research and his colleague, Humphrey Osmond, MD.

Wouldn't you?

In today's psychiatric landscape, niacin and schizophrenia are two topics that have been largely pushed into the shadows. Meanwhile, patients are often sedated into compliance or medicated into a haze with drugs like Prozac, left to wander the streets or sit at home where it's unlikely they'll receive adequate daily vitamin intake. Those living in state institutions don't usually fare much better nutritionally, either. After all, the prevailing "wisdom" is that vitamins aren't meant to cure "real" diseases.

But for half a century Dr Hoffer Has dissented. His core argument remains steady: while illness isn't caused by a lack of drugs, many conditions—especially mental health struggles—can clearly be traced back to vitamin deficiencies. It’s a logical concept that has held up under repeated clinical scrutiny. If you find yourself skeptical, Vitamin B-3 and Schizophrenia offers plenty of references to convince you. And remember that IT was dr. Hoffer Who started OFF those clinical Studies in The First Place. All the way back in 1952.

Personally, I didn't really grasp the link between nutrition and brain function until my days at Australian National University, during those marathon, late-night sessions fueled entirely by cookies and mah-jongg. While I wasn't exactly experiencing psychosis, my brain was definitely feeling the effects of being overloaded with sugar, junk food, and adrenaline by 3 am. My mood would tank, my mind would race, and I’d find myself unable to sleep, sit still, or even crack a smile. Naturally, I never once considered that my diet might be the culprit. We are all conditioned to believe that medicine cures us, not our meals.

And certainly not through vitamin supplements!

However, the truth eventually comes to light. Three years later, i First saw niacin work on somebody Elsa. He was a legitimate, properly diagnosed, and supposedly "incurable" patient staying in a state hospital. I didn't witness the effects within the hospital walls, of course; the only vitamins provided there are whatever bits you can scavenge from Jell-O or Tang. Instead, I saw it happen with a man whose parents were desperate enough to try anything, including nutritional intervention. Perhaps they turned to this because their son had become so volatile that he was released from the asylum to live with them. On a good day, his parents managed to get him to take 3,000 mg of niacin along with 10,000 mg of vitamin C. Formerly a hyperactive insomniac, he responded by sleeping for 18 hours straight the very first night and appearing remarkably normal within just a few days. I knew him before this change, and I knew him after. Having spoken with his parents throughout the ordeal, I can say the improvement was nothing short of astounding.

Later on, I decided to test niacin myself to see if it could help with my own bouts of insomnia. It worked quite well, and I only needed a small amount—maybe 100 mg—to feel the effect. Anything more would cause a warm "flush." Interestingly, I noticed that when I consumed large amounts of sugar or junk food, I could take 500 mg or more without any flushing at all. Furthermore, rather than feeling jittery after taking the niacin, I felt perfectly calm. In Vitamin B-3 and Schizophrenia, Dr. Hoffer explains exactly why that happens:

1) Generally speaking, the more severe your illness, the higher a dose of niacin your system can tolerate before you start experiencing a flush. Essentially, if your body truly needs it, you'll find that you physiologically absorb large amounts of niacin. But where is it all being utilized? A significant portion is directed toward producing nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide, or NAD. As the name suggests, NAD is synthesized from niacin, and it happens to be one of the most vital coenzymes in the entire human body.

2) Niacin also functions as an antihistamine within the body. It turns out that many individuals exhibiting psychotic symptoms are actually struggling with cerebral allergies. These patients require higher doses of niacin to manage the physiological impact of consuming certain trigger foods. Of course, they also need to eliminate those specific foods entirely—especially the ones they likely crave most, like processed junk food and refined sugar.

3) There is a specific chemical found in significant quantities within the bodies of those suffering from schizophrenia. It is an indole known as adrenochrome. Since adrenochrome is essentially oxidized adrenaline, it can produce effects on the body that are remarkably similar to LSD. Could that be what explains much of their behavior? Fortunately, niacin helps to curb the body's production of this toxic substance.

The fact that Dr. Abram Hoffer can condense a whole lifetime of research into a single, accessible, and surprisingly concise book is a testament to his ability to teach the fundamentals of niacin therapy to both everyday readers and medical professionals alike. I've spent years teaching nutritional biochemistry to high schoolers, college students, and chiropractic students. For most, it isn't exactly a page-turner. However, once you realize that even a fundamental understanding of niacin chemistry can profoundly transform the lives of psychotic patients, the subject becomes incredibly compelling, doesn't it?

For nearly fifty years, Dr. Abram Hoffer has treated thousands upon thousands of these patients. Even at 83, he remains an active practitioner in the field of orthomolecular (megavitamin) psychiatry. He has watched countless medical fads rise and fall over the decades. Yet, what he observes today is exactly what he has always seen: that severely ill individuals can achieve wellness through Vitamin B-3.

Review copyright c 2000 by Review by Andrew Saul, 23 Greenridge Crescent, Hamlin, NY 14464 USA.
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#1191 ·
Brian Moore2 said:1. Let’s get one thing straight: God doesn't just hand out illnesses to people unless they actually want to be sick themselves. You chose this path because you have a craving for being a victim, so fine, God granted your wish. Even an omnipotent God isn't going to override your own free will.

2. And as for the Devil? He doesn't exist. That's just a fairy tale people cooked up to scare the mindless masses.

😁

I'd love to be wealthy, yet God hasn't seen fit to make me rich just yet.🙄

I do have one question, though: why on earth would anyone actually want to be sick?😕
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#1192 ·
Harold Anderson3 said:I'd love to be wealthy, yet God hasn't seen fit to make me rich just yet.🙄

I do have one question, though: why on earth would anyone actually want to be sick?😕

Because it grants you certain liberties that healthy, "normal" people can't afford; they're too busy trying to be polite and following social norms.
Once you accept that you're crazy, you realize there's an infinite amount of madness available to serve as an alibi for acting out. Or, to put it in "healthy" terms—just making a mess of things.
Harold Anderson3 Harold Anderson3 Regular
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#1193 ·
briskgull27 said:Because it grants you certain liberties that healthy, "normal" people can't afford; they're too busy trying to be polite and following social norms.
Once you accept that you're crazy, you realize there's an infinite amount of madness available to serve as an alibi for acting out. Or, to put it in "healthy" terms—just making a mess of things.

That’s true, but if you ever decide you actually want to be considered normal again... you're stuck carrying the weight of that XY diagnosis, or just being labeled as someone who thinks a little too outside the box.😘
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#1194 ·
Harold Anderson3 said:I'd love to be wealthy, yet God hasn't seen fit to make me rich just yet.🙄

I do have one question, though: why on earth would anyone actually want to be sick?😕

Use a little imagination and it’ll click. If it still doesn't make sense after that, maybe you'll need to spend the next 2,000 years living through it before you finally grasp what I'm saying! 😬
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#1195 ·
Harold Anderson3 said:That’s true, but if you ever decide you actually want to be considered normal again... you're stuck carrying the weight of that XY diagnosis, or just being labeled as someone who thinks a little too outside the box.😘

Exactly. If I ever decide to play the part of being perfectly normal—labels, diagnoses, the whole bit—then sure.
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#1196 ·
Harold Anderson3 said:That’s true, but if you ever decide you actually want to be considered normal again... you're stuck carrying the weight of that XY diagnosis, or just being labeled as someone who thinks a little too outside the box.😘

But if I'm thinking outside the box while staying perfectly sane, wouldn't that be impossible?😘
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#1197 ·
My aunt struggles with a mental health condition, which I believe might be schizophrenia, though we don't have an official diagnosis since she hasn't seen a doctor in years. She’s mostly lucid most of the time, but her paranoia is really intense; she’s gone as far as accusing our whole family, the neighbors, and even her coworkers of conspiring against her.

Ever since my grandfather passed away last summer, things have taken a turn for the worse, and those hysterical episodes happen much more frequently now. She refuses to take any medication and just does whatever she feels like doing. My mom actually tried to force her to see a psychiatrist for a little while, but after a few sessions, it all fell apart—mostly because my grandparents just couldn't wrap their heads around the idea that this was a real illness and insisted she was just being difficult.

She’s fifty now and has been dealing with this since she was young. She hasn't been on any kind of treatment plan for years, so her mental state has definitely declined. Honestly, if you just saw her passing by, you wouldn't suspect a thing, but anyone who spends more than a few days with her quickly notices how paranoid she is and how skewed her perception of reality has become.

I honestly can't tell if she's having visual hallucinations or hearing voices, because whenever I try to bring up her health, she just lashes out with accusations and harsh words.

I truly wish there was something I could do to help her, but I'm feeling pretty lost on how to approach it.

On top of that, because of her condition and the fact that other family members have dealt with mental health issues, I've always been extra careful about keeping an eye on my own mental well-being.

So, I have to admit I got pretty scared when I realized that I sometimes see things that aren't actually there. For instance, I'll see a picture hanging on a wall where nothing exists, and I have to look at it two or three times—or even reach out and touch the wall—just to convince myself it isn't real. And I promise I'm not seeing this because I'm exhausted, drinking, on medication, or using any kind of drugs 😲 or anything like that.

It only happens occasionally, not very often, and it's strictly limited to objects. I've never once seen a person who wasn't there or heard any voices.

Has anyone else ever gone through something similar?

I'm planning to schedule an appointment with a psychiatrist in the next few days.
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#1198 ·
Oh, it’s definitely not a random visit to a psychiatrist.
If you feel like you need to, just go see a psychologist.

And honestly, if we followed that logic, my brother's kids would be in danger too, yet there isn't a single person in our family dealing with this. My grandmother doesn't recall ever hearing about anything like that happening to us.
stormylynx23 stormylynx23 Active Member
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#1199 ·
Hey there.
So, I was poking around the analytics for that website I put together for a non-profit organization (haven't touched the code since May), and it turns out someone actually clicked over from this forum. Just figured I’d drop the links here in case anyone needs them.
NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION-got some updates
HAPPY FAMILY ASSOCIATION-psychoeducation group
NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION

Look, this isn't an ad. I deal with schizophrenia myself—that's why I built the site in the first place—so I get it. Sometimes you just need a specific piece of info or a hand from a group like those mentioned above. I didn't realize this forum existed until now, but hey, maybe I'll start hanging out here more often...
graniteskipper17 graniteskipper17 Newcomer
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#1200 ·
So, my cousin deals with this specific condition, but honestly? We never really notice anything "off" about her behavior—it just feels like she’s constantly making excuses to slack off or being straight-up disrespectful.

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