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Richard Walker79 said:I am honestly fascinated by those stubborn philosophers who try to wrap their entire intellect around everything. Look, I’ve already stated my position, and that’s it—I don't lose sleep over whether I'm right or wrong. Tomorrow, I could just toss all of this aside and think something completely different. What a person thinks doesn't change reality or the nature of existence. Seriously, I could tell you right now that everything I say is a total lie and that I'm dead wrong—would that make you happy?👍

👍 😁

hiddencyclist9 said:Sure, an Osho follower is "enlightened." But only under a blacklight.

I guess you just detected that with your ultra-sonic, all-penetrating turbo vision—without even having to look or think about it.

driftingwolf45 said:I guess you just detected that with your ultra-sonic, all-penetrating turbo vision—without even having to look or think about it.

Look, why don't you start by telling us what enlightenment even means to you... then maybe we can actually get somewhere!? 🙄

ambereagle642 said:Look, why don't you start by telling us what enlightenment even means to you... then maybe we can actually get somewhere!? 🙄

I don't think you can get a definition, because THAT exists outside of all definitions
and it's just too elusive for words.....

I guess your eye-rolling suggests you're ready to explain it to me yourself.

Richard Walker79 said:I am honestly fascinated by those stubborn philosophers who try to wrap their entire intellect around everything. Look, I’ve already stated my position, and that’s it—I don't lose sleep over whether I'm right or wrong. Tomorrow, I could just toss all of this aside and think something completely different. What a person thinks doesn't change reality or the nature of existence. Seriously, I could tell you right now that everything I say is a total lie and that I'm dead wrong—would that make you happy?👍

But saying "that's just my take" is basically the same as saying "I think/believe this is how it is." And when you say "I believe this is how it is," you're inherently believing you're right—that it actually *is* that way and not something else.
You can't really claim to believe you're wrong in the moment.
The second you speak, you're implying what you're saying is true. It's correct. That's just built into talking.
So it's kind of silly to accuse someone of "thinking they're right"—because, duh, of course they think they're right.
And you think you're right too—that's why you say "I've got this figured out and you haven't." You're doing the same thing when you say I, or this "philosopher," am wrong for "trying to explain everything with logic."
It's unavoidable.
Either you imply you're right by speaking (meaning what you say is exactly how it is), or you stay quiet. There isn't a third option.

I could totally change my mind about all this tomorrow, think something completely different...

Yeah, sure.
But even then, you'll just believe you're right *then*, and that you were wrong before. We always feel like we're right in the present moment.
Back when you believed one thing, you thought you were right.
Now, when you say "there is no right or wrong," you think you're right again.
If you actually get what I'm saying, you'll see you were wrong before, but even that realization—saying "I was wrong back then"—will just make you believe you're right NOW.
And if you don't get it, you'll just keep thinking you're right and I'm just some stubborn philosopher who's totally off base.

what a person thinks doesn't change anything or affect the existence and nature of things.

Oh, really? Aren't thoughts also part of "existence"? Aren't they part of the "nature of things"? What are thoughts supposed to be—"non-things"? "Non-existence"? "Un-nature"?

Look, I can just tell you straight up that everything I say is a total lie and I'm wrong, does that make you happy?👍

Nope. I'd be way more satisfied if you actually caught the paradox in that statement.

driftingwolf45 said:I don't think you can get a definition, because THAT exists outside of all definitions
and it's just too elusive for words.....

I guess your eye-rolling suggests you're ready to explain it to me yourself.

The reason you can't define it is simply because you don't have a clue! But fine, let's play; tell me then—how exactly are you supposed to judge whether someone actually knows what they're talking about?

steeleagle13 said:👍 😁

So, you actually agree with Richard Walker79? 👍

ambereagle642 said:The reason you can't define it is simply because you don't have a clue! But fine, let's play; tell me then—how exactly are you supposed to judge whether someone actually knows what they're talking about?

How do you actually determine that someone doesn't know?

driftingwolf45 said:How do you actually determine that someone doesn't know?

I don't know... it's just that kind of intuition where you sense the void without even needing to see what's missing!

ambereagle642 said:I don't know... it's just that kind of intuition where you sense the void without even needing to see what's missing!

Not much to say, friend, other than your lack of knowledge seems pretty flawless.

driftingwolf45 said:Not much to say, friend, other than your lack of knowledge seems pretty flawless.

exactly... knowledge is just something left behind for the idiots to stumble over...🙄 😁

ambereagle642 said:exactly... knowledge is just something left behind for the idiots to stumble over...🙄 😁

so, I guess you tell me, ambereagle642, are you an expert or just someone clueless?

I can't believe I'm even looking at this again, but here we go...

driftingwolf45 I can't even begin to explain how much this whole situation gets under my skin... it’s just one thing after another with these people, honestly... You know... So, what are you even trying to pull here, ambereagle642? Are you actually supposed to be some kind of expert, or are you just completely clueless...

I’m basically what ambereagle642 is—which is to say, I’m way beyond all that nonsense about enlightenment or whatever other pseudo-spiritual garbage people try to peddle... all those empty ideas and useless concepts don't mean a damn thing to me...
I mean, honestly, I think there’s more than enough evidence right there to know exactly what kind of people we're dealing with...
🙄 Heheheh... 😁

mistyfox812 said:But saying "that's just my take" is basically the same as saying "I think/believe this is how it is." And when you say "I believe this is how it is," you're inherently believing you're right—that it actually *is* that way and not something else.
You can't really claim to believe you're wrong in the moment.
The second you speak, you're implying what you're saying is true. It's correct. That's just built into talking.
So it's kind of silly to accuse someone of "thinking they're right"—because, duh, of course they think they're right.
And you think you're right too—that's why you say "I've got this figured out and you haven't." You're doing the same thing when you say I, or this "philosopher," am wrong for "trying to explain everything with logic."
It's unavoidable.
Either you imply you're right by speaking (meaning what you say is exactly how it is), or you stay quiet. There isn't a third option.

I could totally change my mind about all this tomorrow, think something completely different...

Yeah, sure.
But even then, you'll just believe you're right *then*, and that you were wrong before. We always feel like we're right in the present moment.
Back when you believed one thing, you thought you were right.
Now, when you say "there is no right or wrong," you think you're right again.
If you actually get what I'm saying, you'll see you were wrong before, but even that realization—saying "I was wrong back then"—will just make you believe you're right NOW.
And if you don't get it, you'll just keep thinking you're right and I'm just some stubborn philosopher who's totally off base.

what a person thinks doesn't change anything or affect the existence and nature of things.

Oh, really? Aren't thoughts also part of "existence"? Aren't they part of the "nature of things"? What are thoughts supposed to be—"non-things"? "Non-existence"? "Un-nature"?

Look, I can just tell you straight up that everything I say is a total lie and I'm wrong, does that make you happy?👍

Nope. I'd be way more satisfied if you actually caught the paradox in that statement.

The intellectual,
the man of facts,
is a stranger to himself.
How many drops of water are in the ocean?

ambereagle642 said:I can't believe I'm even looking at this again, but here we go...

driftingwolf45 I can't even begin to explain how much this whole situation gets under my skin... it’s just one thing after another with these people, honestly... You know... So, what are you even trying to pull here, ambereagle642? Are you actually supposed to be some kind of expert, or are you just completely clueless...

I’m basically what ambereagle642 is—which is to say, I’m way beyond all that nonsense about enlightenment or whatever other pseudo-spiritual garbage people try to peddle... all those empty ideas and useless concepts don't mean a damn thing to me...
I mean, honestly, I think there’s more than enough evidence right there to know exactly what kind of people we're dealing with...
🙄 Heheheh... 😁

It isn't enough that YOU KNOWWHO YOU ARE (rather than what you are), but I also need to KNOW WHO (not what) I'm dealing with. Just so there's no confusion.

Small things give away that you haven't quite vanished yet, ambereagle642...

driftingwolf45 said:It isn't enough that YOU KNOWWHO YOU ARE (rather than what you are), but I also need to KNOW WHO (not what) I'm dealing with. Just so there's no confusion.

Small things give away that you haven't quite vanished yet, ambereagle642...

It honestly makes my head spin trying to figure out if ambereagle642 actually knows or not... and the same goes for whether driftingwolf45 knows or doesn't... but whether ambereagle642 has finally vanished or not, that's what really gets under my skin! 😁

ambereagle642 said:It honestly makes my head spin trying to figure out if ambereagle642 actually knows or not... and the same goes for whether driftingwolf45 knows or doesn't... but whether ambereagle642 has finally vanished or not, that's what really gets under my skin! 😁

Look, kid, you started out like this:

ambereagle642 says:
First, tell us what enlightenment actually means to you... then maybe we can go from there!?

I guess you tried to play around, but you ran out of steam. You used up everything you had in just five messages. How old are you, anyway?

driftingwolf45 said:Look, kid, you started out like this:

ambereagle642 says:
First, tell us what enlightenment actually means to you... then maybe we can go from there!?

I guess you tried to play around, but you ran out of steam. You used up everything you had in just five messages. How old are you, anyway?

ambereagle642 was asking about enlightenment, and honestly, what's even left to say... if it’s not enough for you, tucked away in your little bubble of "serious" stories and deep experiences, hey, feel free to keep preaching your ideology as much as you want... which is basically all you've done this whole time anyway!

hhmmm... see, that's how I write with that youthful energy even at my age... only an enlightened person could pull that off... 😁 🙄

ambereagle642 said:ambereagle642 was asking about enlightenment, and honestly, what's even left to say... if it’s not enough for you, tucked away in your little bubble of "serious" stories and deep experiences, hey, feel free to keep preaching your ideology as much as you want... which is basically all you've done this whole time anyway!

hhmmm... see, that's how I write with that youthful energy even at my age... only an enlightened person could pull that off... 😁 🙄

Listen, kid, nobody asked you anything, but you clearly felt the need to tell me who you are. Since I'm not particularly impressed by you puffing out your chest over your "enlightenment," why don't you just head back to preschool and play with kids your own age?