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Brandon Lopez6 Brandon Lopez6 Regular
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joined Feb 2010
#9341 ·
brightsailor76 said:Has anyone here dealt with the fallout of suddenly stopping antipsychotics? I’m currently taking them alongside an antidepressant, and I’ve been thinking about experimenting with my dosage—mostly because things have felt pretty dark lately, and the suicidal ideation is becoming hard to ignore.

My experience? Honestly, nothing but good stuff. I finally got rid of that whole zombie feeling, and for some reason, I didn't hit any withdrawal symptoms either. Mind you, I wasn't tapering off because I felt suicidal—I did it because my dose was way too high and just poorly managed by my doctor. To be real with you, I don't see the connection between quitting the meds and feeling suicidal.
George Sullivan7 George Sullivan7 Member
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joined Jan 2015
#9342 ·
Hey everyone, quick question for you 🙂

So, like most people here, I deal with ups and downs, and right now, I'm back in a phase where I seriously need my meds. When it comes to antidepressants, Zoloft is the one that actually works for me—it’s basically somewhere between an antipsychotic and an antidepressant. In low doses, it hits the depression and anxiety, but ramp up the dose and it acts more like an antipsychotic. My massive headache right now is that along with this depressive slump, I’m dealing with some brutal, chronic insomnia. My doctor tried giving me Valium and Halcion, but honestly? Zero effect. It works for a tiny bit and then nothing. We end up back at square one. Even bumping up the Lexapro didn't help much either. For instance, the Xanax I take regularly doesn't even touch my sleep issues, whereas Lexapro used to help a little because it relaxes my muscles, but even that stopped working. And I refuse to just keep cranking up the doses. I've tried Valium and Ambien too, and still nothing. I'm wide awake, staring at the ceiling.

I saw someone mention on this thread that Qypine helps some people with stubborn, long-term insomnia, so I wanted to ask: has anyone ever combined Zoloft with Qypine? Logic tells me you probably shouldn't mix two antipsychotics, even if Zoloft isn't a "classic" one depending on how much you take. Usually, people mix antipsychotics and antidepressants, but I really don't want to give up my Zoloft because it's genuinely great for me, yet I'm dying to actually get some sleep. My doctor is a total hard-ass about antipsychotics; she thinks they're a huge "no-no" unless it's an absolute emergency with severe depression. It took months of arguing just to get her to let me try Zoloft after Effexor, Faverin, and Lexapro all failed me—and those are supposed to help with sleep, right?

If I already asked this somewhere else in the thread, my bad. I seriously don't have the time to read through every single page. So, any advice, suggestions, or personal experiences? 🙂
Michael Hill2 Michael Hill2 Active Member
168 messages
joined Jul 2014
#9343 ·
George Sullivan7 said:Hey everyone, quick question for you 🙂

So, like most people here, I deal with ups and downs, and right now, I'm back in a phase where I seriously need my meds. When it comes to antidepressants, Zoloft is the one that actually works for me—it’s basically somewhere between an antipsychotic and an antidepressant. In low doses, it hits the depression and anxiety, but ramp up the dose and it acts more like an antipsychotic. My massive headache right now is that along with this depressive slump, I’m dealing with some brutal, chronic insomnia. My doctor tried giving me Valium and Halcion, but honestly? Zero effect. It works for a tiny bit and then nothing. We end up back at square one. Even bumping up the Lexapro didn't help much either. For instance, the Xanax I take regularly doesn't even touch my sleep issues, whereas Lexapro used to help a little because it relaxes my muscles, but even that stopped working. And I refuse to just keep cranking up the doses. I've tried Valium and Ambien too, and still nothing. I'm wide awake, staring at the ceiling.

I saw someone mention on this thread that Qypine helps some people with stubborn, long-term insomnia, so I wanted to ask: has anyone ever combined Zoloft with Qypine? Logic tells me you probably shouldn't mix two antipsychotics, even if Zoloft isn't a "classic" one depending on how much you take. Usually, people mix antipsychotics and antidepressants, but I really don't want to give up my Zoloft because it's genuinely great for me, yet I'm dying to actually get some sleep. My doctor is a total hard-ass about antipsychotics; she thinks they're a huge "no-no" unless it's an absolute emergency with severe depression. It took months of arguing just to get her to let me try Zoloft after Effexor, Faverin, and Lexapro all failed me—and those are supposed to help with sleep, right?

If I already asked this somewhere else in the thread, my bad. I seriously don't have the time to read through every single page. So, any advice, suggestions, or personal experiences? 🙂

You could always try adding Remeron (Claritin) into the mix to help with the sleep situation. 😉

It’s an antidepressant, sure, but at those low doses? It barely touches the neurotransmitters. Honestly, it’s basically just hitting the histamine receptors, which is why it knocks you out like a light.

My therapist added something to my routine to help with sleep alongside the Faverin I take for anxiety, and honestly? It’s been a game changer. I’m finally getting a solid 8 or 9 hours. Even if I happen to wake up in the middle of the night, I can actually drift right back to sleep without the usual mental gymnastics.

I’m just taking a tiny fraction of it—like, one-sixth of a 15 mg pill.

If you're looking for more info or want to hear how others have handled this, just Google "low dose Remeron or Mirtazapine for insomnia." Honestly, it was a total game-changer for my sleep issues. It doesn't cost you anything to give it a shot, especially if you're nervous about mixing two different antidepressants or if your doctor isn't exactly eager to prescribe them. 😉
Jason Vaughn482 Jason Vaughn482 Regular
488 messages
joined Jul 2012
#9344 ·
George Sullivan7 said:Hey everyone, quick question for you 🙂

So, like most people here, I deal with ups and downs, and right now, I'm back in a phase where I seriously need my meds. When it comes to antidepressants, Zoloft is the one that actually works for me—it’s basically somewhere between an antipsychotic and an antidepressant. In low doses, it hits the depression and anxiety, but ramp up the dose and it acts more like an antipsychotic. My massive headache right now is that along with this depressive slump, I’m dealing with some brutal, chronic insomnia. My doctor tried giving me Valium and Halcion, but honestly? Zero effect. It works for a tiny bit and then nothing. We end up back at square one. Even bumping up the Lexapro didn't help much either. For instance, the Xanax I take regularly doesn't even touch my sleep issues, whereas Lexapro used to help a little because it relaxes my muscles, but even that stopped working. And I refuse to just keep cranking up the doses. I've tried Valium and Ambien too, and still nothing. I'm wide awake, staring at the ceiling.

I saw someone mention on this thread that Qypine helps some people with stubborn, long-term insomnia, so I wanted to ask: has anyone ever combined Zoloft with Qypine? Logic tells me you probably shouldn't mix two antipsychotics, even if Zoloft isn't a "classic" one depending on how much you take. Usually, people mix antipsychotics and antidepressants, but I really don't want to give up my Zoloft because it's genuinely great for me, yet I'm dying to actually get some sleep. My doctor is a total hard-ass about antipsychotics; she thinks they're a huge "no-no" unless it's an absolute emergency with severe depression. It took months of arguing just to get her to let me try Zoloft after Effexor, Faverin, and Lexapro all failed me—and those are supposed to help with sleep, right?

If I already asked this somewhere else in the thread, my bad. I seriously don't have the time to read through every single page. So, any advice, suggestions, or personal experiences? 🙂

You might consider trying Claritin, though I suspect it won’t do much for you. A mere fraction of a 15 mg dose is unlikely to touch a case of insomnia as severe as yours, especially considering that even Valium and Halcion haven't provided any relief. To give you some perspective, I personally have to take half of a 15 mg dose combined with either 10 mg of Valium or Cercon; even then, I endure an agonizing struggle just to drift off. It can take me an hour, two hours, sometimes even longer just to find sleep. Once I finally succumb, however, I tend to sleep for a solid nine hours straight. The true battle isn't staying asleep—it's the sheer difficulty of falling asleep in the first place. When I first started taking 15 mg of Claritin, I was out like a light within fifteen minutes without any extra help, but unfortunately, that initial window of efficacy has long since vanished.
Jeffrey Green732 Jeffrey Green732 Newcomer
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#9345 ·
Hi everyone, I’ve been reading through your posts for a while now, though I don’t think I’ve actually posted anything myself until today. I guess I'm looking for some advice... someone very close to me is experiencing hallucinations and some pretty intense delusions. They have an official diagnosis, though they aren't entirely sure of the specifics—it's schizophrenia with depression, plus PTSD. Mostly, I'm wondering how I should handle things, specifically regarding the ideas they share with me. Just recently, they were describing what they see and what they believe to be true, and it honestly left me feeling quite overwhelmed. Usually, I just try to ignore it and we act like everything is fine... but during our talk just now, I said something like: "Do you realize this isn't real? Your brain is playing tricks on you... try to think logically, this can't be true." I stopped there, though, because I started thinking about how I would feel if someone told me that what I was seeing with my own eyes wasn't actually real. So, if anyone could tell me, should I keep ignoring these episodes, or should I encourage these kinds of conversations? Also, has anyone dealt with Zyprexa not working for them? It stopped being effective for them, so now they are on Risperdal and Cogentin, along with an antidepressant. I've been reading up on Zyprexa and it sounds so helpful that I almost feel bad it didn't work. Regardless, the hallucinations are still happening regularly, even with the Risperdal. Is there anything else worth trying? I'm starting to lose hope... please forgive me if I've phrased anything poorly, feel free to delete this
fadedbear92 fadedbear92 Veteran
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#9346 ·
Jeffrey Green732 said:Hi everyone, I’ve been reading through your posts for a while now, though I don’t think I’ve actually posted anything myself until today. I guess I'm looking for some advice... someone very close to me is experiencing hallucinations and some pretty intense delusions. They have an official diagnosis, though they aren't entirely sure of the specifics—it's schizophrenia with depression, plus PTSD. Mostly, I'm wondering how I should handle things, specifically regarding the ideas they share with me. Just recently, they were describing what they see and what they believe to be true, and it honestly left me feeling quite overwhelmed. Usually, I just try to ignore it and we act like everything is fine... but during our talk just now, I said something like: "Do you realize this isn't real? Your brain is playing tricks on you... try to think logically, this can't be true." I stopped there, though, because I started thinking about how I would feel if someone told me that what I was seeing with my own eyes wasn't actually real. So, if anyone could tell me, should I keep ignoring these episodes, or should I encourage these kinds of conversations? Also, has anyone dealt with Zyprexa not working for them? It stopped being effective for them, so now they are on Risperdal and Cogentin, along with an antidepressant. I've been reading up on Zyprexa and it sounds so helpful that I almost feel bad it didn't work. Regardless, the hallucinations are still happening regularly, even with the Risperdal. Is there anything else worth trying? I'm starting to lose hope... please forgive me if I've phrased anything poorly, feel free to delete this

Maybe these tips will help you.
Patients and their families

There is also a forum thread here.
restlesstrucker15 restlesstrucker15 Regular
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joined Sep 2011
#9347 ·
Michael Hill2 said:So many kind and sweet souls in one place.😍

Fingers crossed that everything goes smoothly at the hospital. I read somewhere that you're worried about whether they'll actually manage to put you under—of course they will. If they can knock out an elephant before surgery, surely they can handle Zvonxa.😉


In my experience, 🙂 nothing really worked for me from the Dormicum. They gave me three different injections in the operating room to try and get me to sleep. After the second one, everyone was staring at me because I was still wide awake, until the anesthesiologist finally admitted they needed to give me more. It was a surreal sensation. One moment you're conscious, and then suddenly, there is just a total blackout—sleep and beautiful dreams. 🙂

Skicka FR
Michael Hill2 Michael Hill2 Active Member
168 messages
joined Jul 2014
#9348 ·
restlesstrucker15 said:In my experience, 🙂 nothing really worked for me from the Dormicum. They gave me three different injections in the operating room to try and get me to sleep. After the second one, everyone was staring at me because I was still wide awake, until the anesthesiologist finally admitted they needed to give me more. It was a surreal sensation. One moment you're conscious, and then suddenly, there is just a total blackout—sleep and beautiful dreams. 🙂

Skicka FR

😍

Well, looks like they finally managed to sedate you. 🙂 Honestly, I'm just glad everything went smoothly for you. 🙂
Kimberly Morris Kimberly Morris Active Member
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joined Dec 2014
#9349 ·
zvonx78;52974397 said:The 🙂 from Dormicum was a total zero for me. They had to hit me with three different injections just to get me under in the OR. After the second one, everyone was staring at me because I was still wide awake, then the anesthesiologist basically goes, "Yeah, she needs more." Honestly? Best feeling ever. One second you're there, the next—blackout, sweet dreams, done. 🙂

Jeiiiiij, I knew it was gonna work! 🎉🤣👏

Now you gotta tell us how waking up felt 🙂
Kimberly Morris Kimberly Morris Active Member
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joined Dec 2014
#9350 ·
Hey guys, quick question for the group.

My stepcousin’s had a rough run lately—lost her mom, her dad, and her sister all within just a few months. It was brutal. Naturally, she spiraled into this constant state of anxiety and nerves. She’s been seeing psychiatrists left and right, basically cycling through every med on the pharmacy shelf, and honestly? She says the only thing that actually touches the nerve is Misar.

So, she’s 58 years old and has basically decided this is her life now—she’ll take it whenever she needs to and just accept that she can't function without it anymore. Okay. Whatever.

So, she finally hit the 1.5 mg daily mark. She was taking two 0.25 mg pills—splitting them up between morning, afternoon, and night—and honestly, that dose kept her running smooth for the last two or three years.

So, about a month ago, her primary doctor switched her over to Misar 1 mg SR. They told her she only needs to take it once in the morning and once at night. Apparently, they didn't see the point in letting her poison herself with six pills a day when she can get the job done with just two. 🙂 Makes total sense to me too...

But seriously, she’s telling me she feels like she’s in a total coma right now. Like, Misar isn't even doing anything for her at all. The anxiety keeps slamming back, the panic attacks are hitting, and she’s terrified to even step outside and face people—she just wants to rot in bed all day. She told her doctor about it, and honestly? He totally lost his mind. He basically told her she was making it all up, claiming that regular Misar and Misar SR are the exact same thing. He actually had the nerve to say the only difference is that the standard one hits you instantly while the other one just releases slowly throughout the day. Unbelievable.

She only told me because she knows I've actually been through this before. 🙂 Honestly, I think her whole meltdown is actually spot on... What do you guys reckon?
fadedbear92 fadedbear92 Veteran
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#9351 ·
Kimberly Morris said:Hey guys, quick question for the group.

My stepcousin’s had a rough run lately—lost her mom, her dad, and her sister all within just a few months. It was brutal. Naturally, she spiraled into this constant state of anxiety and nerves. She’s been seeing psychiatrists left and right, basically cycling through every med on the pharmacy shelf, and honestly? She says the only thing that actually touches the nerve is Misar.

So, she’s 58 years old and has basically decided this is her life now—she’ll take it whenever she needs to and just accept that she can't function without it anymore. Okay. Whatever.

So, she finally hit the 1.5 mg daily mark. She was taking two 0.25 mg pills—splitting them up between morning, afternoon, and night—and honestly, that dose kept her running smooth for the last two or three years.

So, about a month ago, her primary doctor switched her over to Misar 1 mg SR. They told her she only needs to take it once in the morning and once at night. Apparently, they didn't see the point in letting her poison herself with six pills a day when she can get the job done with just two. 🙂 Makes total sense to me too...

But seriously, she’s telling me she feels like she’s in a total coma right now. Like, Misar isn't even doing anything for her at all. The anxiety keeps slamming back, the panic attacks are hitting, and she’s terrified to even step outside and face people—she just wants to rot in bed all day. She told her doctor about it, and honestly? He totally lost his mind. He basically told her she was making it all up, claiming that regular Misar and Misar SR are the exact same thing. He actually had the nerve to say the only difference is that the standard one hits you instantly while the other one just releases slowly throughout the day. Unbelievable.

She only told me because she knows I've actually been through this before. 🙂 Honestly, I think her whole meltdown is actually spot on... What do you guys reckon?

Since we're talking about SR—which stands for slow release—it means the medication works for a full 24 hours. That’s exactly why you don't need those "immediate release" pills that wear off in a few hours and force you to take another dose constantly.
She probably just panicked because she used to be able to grab a pill whenever she felt an attack coming, and now she's restricted to just morning and night. Try talking it through with her—maybe you can help calm her nerves.
fadedbear92 fadedbear92 Veteran
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#9352 ·
restlesstrucker15 said:In my experience, 🙂 nothing really worked for me from the Dormicum. They gave me three different injections in the operating room to try and get me to sleep. After the second one, everyone was staring at me because I was still wide awake, until the anesthesiologist finally admitted they needed to give me more. It was a surreal sensation. One moment you're conscious, and then suddenly, there is just a total blackout—sleep and beautiful dreams. 🙂

Skicka FR

First off, you're alive, which is what matters most.🎉🎉🎉
Second, at least they found a way to actually get you under.😒
Third, I'm wishing you a really speedy recovery.🙂🙂
George Sullivan7 George Sullivan7 Member
16 messages
joined Jan 2015
#9353 ·
Michael Hill2 said:You could always try adding Remeron (Claritin) into the mix to help with the sleep situation. 😉

It’s an antidepressant, sure, but at those low doses? It barely touches the neurotransmitters. Honestly, it’s basically just hitting the histamine receptors, which is why it knocks you out like a light.

My therapist added something to my routine to help with sleep alongside the Faverin I take for anxiety, and honestly? It’s been a game changer. I’m finally getting a solid 8 or 9 hours. Even if I happen to wake up in the middle of the night, I can actually drift right back to sleep without the usual mental gymnastics.

I’m just taking a tiny fraction of it—like, one-sixth of a 15 mg pill.

If you're looking for more info or want to hear how others have handled this, just Google "low dose Remeron or Mirtazapine for insomnia." Honestly, it was a total game-changer for my sleep issues. It doesn't cost you anything to give it a shot, especially if you're nervous about mixing two different antidepressants or if your doctor isn't exactly eager to prescribe them. 😉

Ugh, thanks! I’m actually seeing her today, so I’ll see what she thinks. This whole tossing and turning all night is exhausting 🙄, man. If I could actually do something productive instead of just rolling around the bed, I wouldn't mind, but right now? Zero benefit. I'm wiped during the day and a total wreck at night because I can't sleep. Just pure chaos.😵
George Sullivan7 George Sullivan7 Member
16 messages
joined Jan 2015
#9354 ·
Jason Vaughn482 said:You might consider trying Claritin, though I suspect it won’t do much for you. A mere fraction of a 15 mg dose is unlikely to touch a case of insomnia as severe as yours, especially considering that even Valium and Halcion haven't provided any relief. To give you some perspective, I personally have to take half of a 15 mg dose combined with either 10 mg of Valium or Cercon; even then, I endure an agonizing struggle just to drift off. It can take me an hour, two hours, sometimes even longer just to find sleep. Once I finally succumb, however, I tend to sleep for a solid nine hours straight. The true battle isn't staying asleep—it's the sheer difficulty of falling asleep in the first place. When I first started taking 15 mg of Claritin, I was out like a light within fifteen minutes without any extra help, but unfortunately, that initial window of efficacy has long since vanished.

Hmm, sounds pretty bleak then. But hey, I guess if it at least works for a little while at the start, that's something. Plus, there's always QAnon pins to keep me busy. Maybe. 🤔
Justin Rogers5 Justin Rogers5 Active Member
214 messages
joined Feb 2010
#9355 ·
Just my thoughts on Mirzaten. It helped me quite a bit, but it took forever—nearly a year—to actually kick in. Honestly, that was the same story with Deprozel, so all those claims about feeling better in 2 to 5 weeks don't mean much to me. I actually thought about quitting, but after so many bad experiences and failed experiments, I figured I’d give it at least a year before moving on to something else. For me, it helps slightly with sleep, but it's not the miracle cure people claim. Its real value was finally giving me the drive to get out of bed early and actually use my day instead of just rotting in bed until noon. Once you start getting up early, working out, and staying active, you naturally crash around 11 PM or midnight and wake up by 8 AM. To be fair, I still wake up a few times during the night, but I don't reach for Xanax anymore; I just read a book until I drift off. That’s a win. I’m slowly tapering off the Xanax; I'm down to 0.25 mg in the morning and half a pill at night, but I'll be cutting that evening dose soon too. I've started caring more about my body—what I eat and drink (which helps with my ulcers). My one remaining vice that's bad for my stomach is coffee, but I limit myself to just one cup; any more and it hits me hard. Not that I should even have that one cup, but whatever, some things are hard to quit. I stopped drinking entirely (there was a period where I drank way too much every single day because of the depression—honestly, I'm embarrassed to even think about it), and I stopped popping painkillers for headaches. I guess my willpower has gotten stronger. Maybe it's the meds, or maybe it was just a sudden realization that I couldn't live like that anymore. I've been slowly fixing my health, teeth, sinuses... leaning more into natural stuff lately.
It's not all perfect, though. I've become hyper-aware of my body and the signals it sends when something is wrong. Now I'm actually nervous about every pill I swallow because my last two blood tests showed my liver enzymes were slightly elevated—nothing to panic over, but my doctor told me to watch it. So, I cut out everything I could, like birth control and painkillers. If those levels spike again, I’m strictly sticking to the essentials (Mirzaten 15 mg and Xanax 0.25).
Sorry for the wall of text. Just wanted to be thorough. Hope this helps someone decide if they want to try this stuff or not.🕺
Justin Rogers5 Justin Rogers5 Active Member
214 messages
joined Feb 2010
#9356 ·
Just my two cents on Mirzaten. It actually helped me, but it took forever—nearly a year before I felt anything. Honestly, the whole "works in 2 to 5 weeks" thing sounds like nonsense based on my experience with Deprozel too. I almost quit, but after all the bad experiments I've been through, I figured I’d give it at least a year before moving on to something else. For me, it helps a little with sleep, but it’s not the miracle cure people claim. Its real value was giving me the drive to actually get out of bed early instead of just rotting there until noon. Once you start being productive and exercising, you actually fall asleep around 11 or midnight and wake up at 8. To be clear, I still wake up a few times a night, but I don't reach for Xanax anymore; I just read a book until I drift off. That's a win. I'm tapering off the Xanax slowly—currently at 0.25mg half in the morning and half at night, but the evening dose is next to go. I've also started caring about what I eat and drink, which is good for my ulcers. My only vice left that messes with my stomach is coffee, but I limit it to one cup. I probably shouldn't even have that one, but whatever, some things are hard to quit. I stopped drinking entirely (I used to drink way too much every single day during my depression, it's embarrassing to even think about) and I stopped popping painkillers for headaches. My willpower feels stronger now. Maybe it's the meds, or maybe I just finally realized I couldn't live like that anymore. I'm slowly fixing my health, teeth, sinuses... leaning more into natural stuff lately.
It’s not all sunshine, though. I’ve become hyper-aware of my body and the signals it sends when something might be wrong. Now I'm paranoid about every pill I take because my last two blood tests showed my liver enzymes—the ones that track medication load—are slightly elevated. Nothing to panic over, but my doctor told me to watch it. So, I cut out everything I could, like birth control and painkillers. If those levels spike again, I’m sticking strictly to the essentials (Mirzaten 15 mg and Xanax 0.25.).
Sorry for the wall of text, just wanted to be thorough. Hope this helps someone decide if they want to try it or not.🕺
fadedbear92 fadedbear92 Veteran
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joined Dec 2008
#9357 ·
George Sullivan7 said:Hmm, sounds pretty bleak then. But hey, I guess if it at least works for a little while at the start, that's something. Plus, there's always QAnon pins to keep me busy. Maybe. 🤔

You really don't need to worry about the Q-pin; I've been using it for quite a while now and it completely cleared up my insomnia.
I used to take Tegretol, which worked wonders for getting me to sleep—though you have to be incredibly careful with it. You have to keep a close eye on your liver enzyme levels via regular blood work every three months; if those numbers spike, you have to stop taking it immediately.
David Jackson22 David Jackson22 Active Member
51 messages
joined Aug 2010
#9358 ·
fadedbear92 said:You really don't need to worry about the Q-pin; I've been using it for quite a while now and it completely cleared up my insomnia.
I used to take Tegretol, which worked wonders for getting me to sleep—though you have to be incredibly careful with it. You have to keep a close eye on your liver enzyme levels via regular blood work every three months; if those numbers spike, you have to stop taking it immediately.

Ray, look, I've actually been on Tegretol for ten years straight. I get my labs checked every six months, and even though one of my liver enzymes went up a little bit, it wasn't anything major, so I'm still taking it. My doctor thinks there's no reason to stop the treatment because of that, and my internist backed him up too. It's only if those enzyme levels shoot way up that you actually have to quit.
Jason Vaughn482 Jason Vaughn482 Regular
488 messages
joined Jul 2012
#9359 ·
Justin Rogers5 said:Just my thoughts on Mirzaten. It helped me quite a bit, but it took forever—nearly a year—to actually kick in. Honestly, that was the same story with Deprozel, so all those claims about feeling better in 2 to 5 weeks don't mean much to me. I actually thought about quitting, but after so many bad experiences and failed experiments, I figured I’d give it at least a year before moving on to something else. For me, it helps slightly with sleep, but it's not the miracle cure people claim. Its real value was finally giving me the drive to get out of bed early and actually use my day instead of just rotting in bed until noon. Once you start getting up early, working out, and staying active, you naturally crash around 11 PM or midnight and wake up by 8 AM. To be fair, I still wake up a few times during the night, but I don't reach for Xanax anymore; I just read a book until I drift off. That’s a win. I’m slowly tapering off the Xanax; I'm down to 0.25 mg in the morning and half a pill at night, but I'll be cutting that evening dose soon too. I've started caring more about my body—what I eat and drink (which helps with my ulcers). My one remaining vice that's bad for my stomach is coffee, but I limit myself to just one cup; any more and it hits me hard. Not that I should even have that one cup, but whatever, some things are hard to quit. I stopped drinking entirely (there was a period where I drank way too much every single day because of the depression—honestly, I'm embarrassed to even think about it), and I stopped popping painkillers for headaches. I guess my willpower has gotten stronger. Maybe it's the meds, or maybe it was just a sudden realization that I couldn't live like that anymore. I've been slowly fixing my health, teeth, sinuses... leaning more into natural stuff lately.
It's not all perfect, though. I've become hyper-aware of my body and the signals it sends when something is wrong. Now I'm actually nervous about every pill I swallow because my last two blood tests showed my liver enzymes were slightly elevated—nothing to panic over, but my doctor told me to watch it. So, I cut out everything I could, like birth control and painkillers. If those levels spike again, I’m strictly sticking to the essentials (Mirzaten 15 mg and Xanax 0.25).
Sorry for the wall of text. Just wanted to be thorough. Hope this helps someone decide if they want to try this stuff or not.🕺

As for me, I've been on Mirzaten for three years now, with a brief hiatus included. I spent a year on 15 mg, stopped, and then because I couldn't sleep without something like Ambien, I returned to the fold—though this time it was actually Calixt, which is essentially the same thing. I've transitioned to a half-dose, so I'm currently taking 7.5 mg twice a day along with either Ambien or Cerston. During the day, I take Xanax only as needed; in fact, I didn't even think to take it today. So, in my experience, the idea that you can't get off it or that tolerance builds up instantly doesn't quite hold true—I suppose it depends on the individual's biology. I've been using it for five years, never exceeding 1.5 mg at a time, and I take 20 mg of Portal every other day. That might sound like a lot, especially since I'm also managing blood pressure medication, but despite all of this, my liver function tests always come back clean. I get my blood drawn frequently specifically to monitor my liver markers, so I find it quite strange that your values increased from 15 mg of Mirzaten. Exactly how much did they rise? And are you taking anything else? Those elevations could easily be attributed to painkillers or even alcohol.
Jason Vaughn482 Jason Vaughn482 Regular
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#9360 ·
Kimberly Morris said:Hey guys, quick question for the group.

My stepcousin’s had a rough run lately—lost her mom, her dad, and her sister all within just a few months. It was brutal. Naturally, she spiraled into this constant state of anxiety and nerves. She’s been seeing psychiatrists left and right, basically cycling through every med on the pharmacy shelf, and honestly? She says the only thing that actually touches the nerve is Misar.

So, she’s 58 years old and has basically decided this is her life now—she’ll take it whenever she needs to and just accept that she can't function without it anymore. Okay. Whatever.

So, she finally hit the 1.5 mg daily mark. She was taking two 0.25 mg pills—splitting them up between morning, afternoon, and night—and honestly, that dose kept her running smooth for the last two or three years.

So, about a month ago, her primary doctor switched her over to Misar 1 mg SR. They told her she only needs to take it once in the morning and once at night. Apparently, they didn't see the point in letting her poison herself with six pills a day when she can get the job done with just two. 🙂 Makes total sense to me too...

But seriously, she’s telling me she feels like she’s in a total coma right now. Like, Misar isn't even doing anything for her at all. The anxiety keeps slamming back, the panic attacks are hitting, and she’s terrified to even step outside and face people—she just wants to rot in bed all day. She told her doctor about it, and honestly? He totally lost his mind. He basically told her she was making it all up, claiming that regular Misar and Misar SR are the exact same thing. He actually had the nerve to say the only difference is that the standard one hits you instantly while the other one just releases slowly throughout the day. Unbelievable.

She only told me because she knows I've actually been through this before. 🙂 Honestly, I think her whole meltdown is actually spot on... What do you guys reckon?

Well, first of all, the doctor actually increased her dose; if she's taking 1 mg twice a day, that's 2 mg total, whereas she was previously on 1.5 mg. Secondly, in my view, it is often better to take the medication only when the need arises, as she might find she doesn't always require it. Taking a full 1 mg in the morning seems quite heavy to me... I don't know, I tried that 1 mg dose once for sleep and it did absolutely nothing for me. Personally, I’d much rather take a 0.25 mg dose if that's sufficient, rather than jumping straight to 1 mg... plus, the smaller dose works much faster, which might explain why she's feeling so panicked right now. Ultimately, as always, it's a matter of how any individual body reacts.

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