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Mandatory pension funds: What are your thoughts?

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silentowl7 silentowl7 Member
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joined Dec 2007
#281 ·
wearysurfer78 said:I actually made a similar transition away from Charles Schwab funds for those exact same reasons.
Since I handle my basic savings, checking, and money market accounts over at Bank of America, I decided to opt for the Fidelity Blue Chip Fund for my retirement planning.
As for my supplemental retirement account, I went with a fund managed by Wells Fargo. 😁

Anyone willing to share how much cash is sitting in the mandatory pension funds?
I've been a member since 2002 and I've got $14.
wearysurfer78 wearysurfer78 Member
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joined Dec 2008
#282 ·
silentowl7 said:Anyone willing to share how much cash is sitting in the mandatory pension funds?
I've been a member since 2002 and I've got $14.

$23 since early 2003.
analogpuma18 analogpuma18 Newcomer
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#283 ·
wearysurfer78 said:I actually made a similar transition away from Charles Schwab funds for those exact same reasons.
Since I handle my basic savings, checking, and money market accounts over at Bank of America, I decided to opt for the Fidelity Blue Chip Fund for my retirement planning.
As for my supplemental retirement account, I went with a fund managed by Wells Fargo. 😁

I’ve been digging through the FINRA reports, and it looks like BlackRock currently holds the highest net asset value per unit.
It’s pretty interesting—back in August 2011, Wells Fargo was actually leading by that metric, but then they slumped down to basically match the other funds by year-end... meanwhile, BlackRock stayed consistently high compared to the rest.
I’m also looking at this chart for the Pension Fund returns, but things get way more volatile there. For instance, Wells Fargo had really low returns during the first three quarters of 2011, only to suddenly outperform everyone else in the last quarter of 2011 and the first quarter of 2012.

Wells Fargo has the fewest members, followed by Bank of America, then JP Morgan Chase, and finally BlackRock—which, on average, has about twice as many members as the first two.
Looking back at the 2006 annual report is also fascinating... Wells Fargo saw a huge influx of people switching from other funds, while at the same time, BlackRock had a massive number—over 90%—of people moving out to other funds. For some reason, people were fleeing BlackRock in droves to join Wells Fargo 🤷

Can someone clarify what the most important thing is to track when it comes to the Pension Fund?
What are the key criteria for picking the best Mandatory pension fund? Basically, what should I be focusing on when analyzing a Pension Fund if I want to get a reliable forecast of where they're headed...
wearysurfer78 wearysurfer78 Member
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#284 ·
I wouldn’t call myself some kind of financial expert, but I made the move away from JPMorgan Chase a few years back because they were consistently the worst player in the game, and honestly, I haven't looked back once.
Now, I've noticed that Wells Fargo has closed the gap significantly with AZ in terms of their unit value.
analogpuma18 analogpuma18 Newcomer
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#285 ·
wearysurfer78 said:I wouldn’t call myself some kind of financial expert, but I made the move away from JPMorgan Chase a few years back because they were consistently the worst player in the game, and honestly, I haven't looked back once.
Now, I've noticed that Wells Fargo has closed the gap significantly with AZ in terms of their unit value.

It’s true though, I’ve been watching this too. At first, I didn't really care, but looking back over the last five years, they’ve been steadily trailing behind. Since you don't get hit with those transfer fees after being in the same fund for three years, I don't see the point in staying put.

Right now, I’m torn between Vanguard and BlackRock—they’ve been swapping spots at the top of the leaderboard quite a bit lately...
Michelle Sanchez84 Michelle Sanchez84 Newcomer
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#286 ·
Honestly, you’d be better off grilling these funds about where they actually dump your cash—specifically why the returns look pathetic compared to what you’d get from a basic high-yield savings account. Just to make my point clearer: pension funds basically act as a cleanup crew for big banks. Whenever a major institution hits a rough patch, these funds step in to bail them out by buying up their distressed stocks or bonds using our money. It allows the banks to exit risky positions without taking a single hit to their bottom line.
People are just walking around blissfully unaware, while over the last few years, there’s been a massive, systematic heist targeting everyone contributing to these pension funds. By the time you realize what happened, it'll be too late because your retirement checks will be tiny. And all this happens just so guys like Smith and his cronies can keep handing out massive bonuses for "excellent performance."
wearysurfer78 wearysurfer78 Member
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#287 ·
Michelle Sanchez84 said:Honestly, you’d be better off grilling these funds about where they actually dump your cash—specifically why the returns look pathetic compared to what you’d get from a basic high-yield savings account. Just to make my point clearer: pension funds basically act as a cleanup crew for big banks. Whenever a major institution hits a rough patch, these funds step in to bail them out by buying up their distressed stocks or bonds using our money. It allows the banks to exit risky positions without taking a single hit to their bottom line.
People are just walking around blissfully unaware, while over the last few years, there’s been a massive, systematic heist targeting everyone contributing to these pension funds. By the time you realize what happened, it'll be too late because your retirement checks will be tiny. And all this happens just so guys like Smith and his cronies can keep handing out massive bonuses for "excellent performance."

So, let me guess—you aren't even a member of an OMF yourself?
Michelle Sanchez84 Michelle Sanchez84 Newcomer
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#288 ·
wearysurfer78 said:So, let me guess—you aren't even a member of an OMF yourself?

Well, look at that—I actually specified "yours" and "ours" right down there.
Samuel Lee47 Samuel Lee47 Newcomer
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joined Nov 2012
#289 ·
Question:
What happens if the custodian bank goes under?
Kokoska mentioned that if a fund starts performing poorly, the assets are protected by the custodian bank and can be transferred to a different fund (if I understood that correctly). So, basically, it’s a "safety first" situation—I should at least get back whatever amount I put in. Of course, depending on whether the fund grows or shrinks, there's potential for extra profit or loss. Correct me if I'm wrong. :-)
I didn't know anything about these funds until recently when I got an official notice from REGOS in the mail stating they were assigning me to a specific OMF because I hadn't picked one myself within the three-month window. Now I'm doing my homework.
analogpuma18 analogpuma18 Newcomer
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#290 ·
I was recently crunching some numbers on OMF, and I stumbled upon a pretty interesting takeaway—it turns out the actual value of accounting units doesn't really matter when you're comparing funds. People usually obsess over it to show which fund is performing better, but my math suggests you end up at the exact same destination regardless of what that value is. 🙂

My only real regret is that I didn't save the spreadsheet where I ran all this... I've already gone and forgotten the specific steps I used to get there...
But seriously, am I totally missing something here? Is it actually possible that what I said in that second sentence is true?
James Rogers53 James Rogers53 Active Member
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#291 ·
It doesn't really matter, honestly—nothing guarantees what happens down the road. The current price just hints at how much someone might have succeeded in the past.
Thomas Martin4 Thomas Martin4 Member
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joined Jun 2009
#292 ·
Greetings. I have been wondering about the status of funds held within an OMF after a contributor passes away. Is it possible for parents to claim those assets, given that the individual likely wouldn't have started drawing from their pension for another forty years or so?
Thomas Martin4 Thomas Martin4 Member
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joined Jun 2009
#293 ·
Thomas Martin4 said:Greetings. I have been wondering about the status of funds held within an OMF after a contributor passes away. Is it possible for parents to claim those assets, given that the individual likely wouldn't have started drawing from their pension for another forty years or so?

I managed to dig through the fund's website to find the specific procedures for this... 😉

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Hannah Wilson9 Hannah Wilson9 Newcomer
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#294 ·
What's the move?
Thomas Martin4 Thomas Martin4 Member
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#295 ·
Hannah Wilson9 said:What's the move?

What happens if an OMF member passes away?

If a member of an mandatory fund dies before they reach retirement age—assuming their family is eligible for survivor benefits—the total capitalized assets from that individual's account will be transferred via the Central Insurance Registry to the Social Security Administration. From there, the SSA determines the survivor benefit based on the deceased's total years of service, essentially treating them as though they had been covered solely under the standard Social Security Act through generational solidarity.

There is a caveat, I suppose. This rule might not apply if the deceased was over 50 at the time of death and had been a member of the mandatory fund for more than five years—provided that the monthly survivor benefit calculated from those capitalized assets (when added to the base survivor benefit provided by a private pension insurance company) would exceed what they would have received under the standard Social Security system. In such a scenario, the total capitalized assets from the deceased's account are transferred via the Central Insurance Registry to whichever pension insurance company the family chooses—assuming that company provides a permanent monthly survivor benefit according to its specific program and relevant laws.

On the other hand, if a member of the mandatory fund passes away and the family doesn't qualify for survivor benefits under the Social Security Act, then the total capitalized assets in that member's account fall under the jurisdiction of American Inheritance Law.

How does one actually initiate the claim for inheritance funds?

The documentation required to settle an inheritance claim, which must be sent to the Central Insurance Registry at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20500, includes:
1. An original or certified copy of the valid Decree of Distribution (Probate Decree)
2. A claim for inheritance payout (the official payout request form)
The request for the payout can be submitted to REGOS in a free-form format, though I assume it must include the following details:
1. The full name of the deceased
2. The Social Security Number of the deceased
3. The full name of the claimant
4. The Social Security Number of the claimant
5. The account number where the inheritance should be deposited
6. The name and account number of the bank holding that account
If the funds from the deceased's personal account were inherited, but a family member later becomes eligible for survivor benefits under the Social Security Act—deriving those benefits from the deceased member—the survivor benefit will be determined as a base pension according to that Act.
Noah Thompson Noah Thompson Member
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joined Apr 2009
#296 ·
Hey,

I'm currently sitting in a Raiffeisen pension fund, so I was wondering if anyone thinks I should jump ship to something better? If so, what's the move? Also, where can I actually track how they're performing...

thanks!
wearysurfer78 wearysurfer78 Member
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joined Dec 2008
#297 ·
granitegull51 granitegull51 Member
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joined Aug 2013
#298 ·
Just a little something for comparison here:

What’s actually going to happen when our fund managers finally step up and admit they were basically gambling with our hard-earned money by "investing" it all into domestic stocks and bonds?
Melissa Brown2 Melissa Brown2 Newcomer
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joined Aug 2013
#299 ·
I just signed up for the mandatory pension fund in AZ—just wondering if they're gonna send over my login info for the online portal automatically, or if I actually have to reach out and ask for it?
Thanks.
Mark Sanders66 Mark Sanders66 Newcomer
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joined May 2014
#300 ·
So, I’ve been a member of the JPMorgan Chase mandatory pension fund for a while now, and honestly, if you look at the numbers, they seem to be consistently trailing behind the other four funds in the country—they’re arguably the worst performers out there. Because of that, I’ve been thinking about switching things up, and I’m leaning toward Bank of America since they appear to be the strongest option right now.

I was just wondering, does anyone know if I might actually be losing out on anything by making the move to switch my pension fund?

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