Another Consciousness meltdown, this time a la Paar and Schips...

Since nobody on the other subforums around here gives me the time of day, I'm retreating back to where I started. At least you guys actually respond, even if you do end up tearing my arguments apart every single time. 😢
Please don't be mad at me :fearful face covering hands: because this is about consciousness again. 😢



Grey, where it says 'nothing'—just imagine 😲, absolutely NOTHING! I didn't bother cutting that part out, so I just left it. It simply shows that outside of consciousness, there isn't anything else.
'Consciousness' refers to yours, mine, or anyone's consciousness (billions of fragments) plugged into the 'Main' (Consciousness).
The 'projection of consciousness' (dark grey) is what the 'Main' created so that those fragments would have something to float in 😢 (the purpose of projection is to stimulate the senses; I suppose projection is everything we see, hear, and smell).

A simpler example. Imagine an electrical circuit where n appliances are connected, and electricity represents consciousness. You have blenders, computers, and light bulbs, where the blender might represent, I don't know, a dog, the computer represents a human, and the light bulb represents a puppy (since human consciousness is more complex than a puppy's).
Therefore, when a dog dies, the blender is disconnected from the circuit, but the circuit remains closed and the electricity continues to flow through the computers and light bulbs (after all, consciousness is higher quality than those cheap Christmas lights from Walmart where the whole strand dies if just one bulb goes out 🙄 ). The current will still flow even when there are no appliances, but it's almost as if it won't. 😢 And it's so sad. 🙂

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Now I'm just waiting for Sandra Wilson68, the skeptics, the nobodies, and the rest of the crew to dig holes for me with stuff I probably won't even be able to wrap my head around.

Nancy Fowler61 said:Since nobody on the other subforums bothers to give me the time of day, I’m slinking back to where I started. At least here, even if you all enjoy tearing me down, you actually respond. 😢
Don't be angry :fearfully covers head with hands: it's about consciousness again. 😢



Grey, where it says 'nothing,' that means—just imagine 😲—NOTHING. I couldn't bother cutting it out, so I left it. It simply shows there is nothing else outside of consciousness.
'Consciousness' is yours, mine, someone else's (billions of fragments) attached to the 'Main' (Consciousness).
'Projection of consciousness' (dark grey)—what the 'Main' created so the fragments have something to float in 😢 (the purpose of projection is sensory stimulation; I suspect projection is everything we see, hear, and smell).

A simpler example. Imagine an electrical circuit where n appliances are plugged in, and electricity represents consciousness. You have mixers, computers, and light bulbs; the mixer might represent, say, a dog, the computer a human, and the bulb a puppy (since human consciousness is more complex than a puppy's).
Therefore, when the dog dies, the mixer is disconnected from the circuit, but the circuit remains closed and the current continues through the computers and bulbs (after all, consciousness is higher quality than those cheap Chinese Christmas lights where one dead bulb kills the whole strand 🙄 ). The current will flow even without the appliances, but it’s as if it won't. 😢 How pathetic. 🙂

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Now I wait for Sandra Wilson68, the skeptics, the void, and the rest of the crew to bury me under something I won't even be able to comprehend.

And why are you crying, poor thing.... can any of them actually switch you off (from that current)?
🙂

Nancy Fowler61,

Look, you’re putting me on the spot here. I don't have the bandwidth right now. I'll get back to you tomorrow or the day after. In the meantime, try to be a bit more specific with what you're asking. I didn't quite catch your drift. What exactly are you getting at?

Later.

Since there’s absolutely nothing left to find—nothing at all—I just ripped the outlet right out of the wall. 😁

As for my paycheck? Here’s a shoulder to cry on and some chloroform-scented tissues.

So, there you have it: no power, and no consciousness. 😉

Here is a photo I took—it was captured during a similar exploration of consciousness.

I hope it gives you all something to think about...

dehaer said:Now I’m just sitting here waiting for Ljub, hiddenviper9, mistyfox812, and the rest of that crew to jump me with some high-level nonsense I won't even be able to wrap my head around.

Alright dehaer, I'll take it as a compliment that you're grouping me in with those two legends who basically got their wisdom via divine revelation from higher powers, but seriously—when have I ever written something you couldn't understand?
And dropping that on me in the thread about Paar/Schips... man, that actually stings.
Kids these days, I swear...

dehaer said:...better quality than those cheap Chinese Christmas lights where if one bulb goes out, the whole string dies 🙄 ...

You gotta be kidding me... basically useless (1) and you really need to go back and actually read what Paar/Schips wrote. 🙂

The colors are all wrong. Consciousness isn't red, it's blue...

I don't know why you even bother stressing over this, it's just a theory at the end of the day. Take it or leave it, I guess.

mistyfox812 said:Man, kids these days... is basically insufficient (1) 🙂

Well, I suppose the older generation isn't exactly perfect either...

It’s not even really a "problem"—it's just an interesting point. I’ve said this a million times before: if we want serious scientific research, consciousness has to be part of the equation.
If we look at Western thinkers, I’d have to point to two guys first—Jung and Berkeley. Now, Berkeley wasn't even a scientist, he was a philosopher, but he argued quite convincingly based on his own observations that consciousness is everything, and there’s nothing outside of it. Of course, Eastern masters (Buddhist, yogic, etc.) understood way more about consciousness long before anyone in the West caught up.
If we were actually trying to build a legitimate scientific theory, I think you’d have to start with quantum physics. It's the first field that actually brought consciousness into play by interacting with the so-called "objective" or external world.
Your model is an interesting concept, but honestly? I don't think it's quite right.😁
There's a massive amount of solid evidence suggesting that consciousness isn't a byproduct of physiology, nor is it tied exclusively to this material body we inhabit.
Even the famous thought experiment involving Schrödinger's cat points toward some pretty wild implications.
Just Google "quantum theory of consciousness."
There's some fascinating stuff out there.

mistyfox812, or rather "-- & 0," says the old man: It’s an honor to be grouped with those two legends who supposedly received their wisdom through direct revelation from higher beings...

It’s obvious—typical behavior for people who don't actually read what's on the page, but instead just read whatever they want to see.
Because... why doesn't our "brilliant" friend "-- & 0" use that incredible intellect of theirs to actually point out where I ever claimed to receive knowledge from "higher beings" in any of my work? Whether it's in my magazine articles, my books, or right here on this forum...

One quick note:
It seems you might be confusing different dimensions with higher beings.

Honestly, if you understood that the cosmos is divided into ten levels, and that the strings surrounding our solar system formed across five distinct levels, you probably wouldn't have reacted so blindly.
At least not regarding me.

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hiddenviper9 said:mistyfox812—aka "-- & 0"—the old man himself, says: Well, thanks, dear, I’m honored you’ve lumped me in with those two legends who basically got their wisdom via direct downloads from higher beings...

OBVIOUSLY—it’s just what a ton of people do; they don't actually read what's on the page, they just read whatever they want to hear.
Because... seriously, why doesn't big "-- & 0" use his "superhuman" intellect to "point a finger" and show me where, in any of my posts (you know, my articles, my printed books, or even here on this forum...), I ever claimed to get my knowledge from Higher BEINGS.

And one more thing:
Looks like you totally mixed up the High Sphere with higher beings.

Seriously though, if you actually knew that the cosmos is DIVIDED into TEN levels, and that strings (around our solar system) are formed in FIVE levels—you definitely wouldn't have BLUNDERED like you did.
At least when it comes to me.

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My bad, I guess I totally misread the situation.
From what I can recall, you were describing an experience with something (trying not to mess this up again) that wasn't just some random earthly creature, but something from a higher plane, or something like that.
Since I honestly don't know anything about these levels and strings, I probably phrased that wrong too, so I'll wait for you to clear things up.
I just assumed most of what you know came from that encounter (or encounters, if there were more than one).

Arthur Grant4 said:...So, there are some pretty wild implications you get when you run those famous thought experiments involving Schrödinger's cat.
Just type "quantum theory of consciousness" into Google.
There’s some seriously cool stuff in there.

Honestly, it feels to me like we're just trying to explain one mystery—consciousness—using another mystery—quantum theory. It's like, okay, let's use the confusing thing to explain the even more confusing thing.

And what's the deal with Schrödinger's cat anyway? Like, how does that even tie back to consciousness?

mistyfox812: My bad, I think I misunderstood you.

hiddenviper9:
Honestly, I’m really glad to see this coming from you.
I actually value your posts quite a bit.
So—no worries at all!

If I remember correctly, you were describing an experience involving something that wasn't just a regular earthly being, but something from a higher plane, or something like that.

Let me be specific.
I’ve been "working" with quartz crystals for 18 years now. Chemically, they're silicon dioxide (SiO2), which is used in basically every device we use to send or receive data—think radio, TV, microphones, transistors, or even how computers store and transmit information.
Beyond that, crystal absorbs and reflects color frequencies from the light spectrum, making it an incredible healing medium. It acts as a unique medical tool by delivering light energy to our physical bodies, which essentially "feeds" our energy fields.
That’s why, after being sick constantly when I was younger (I even dealt with cancer), I haven't had to visit a doctor since I started working with crystals.
(I’m only mentioning this so you don't think I'm some guy staring into a crystal ball predicting "a package is arriving from the US" or that someone is going to marry a certain person... 😁).

In the course of this work, I’ve made energetic—or rather, mental—contacts with memories located within memory fields (sort of like hard drives, if you will) that are "woven" into the power grids formed by strings—which is how the cosmic Internet is structured.
(You can find more about strings on Google under string theory).

As for the existence of these memory fields, Leibniz actually pointed us toward them, calling those fields "monads." Of course, modern scientists just dismissed him, saying, "Who cares what that fool thinks? Monads aren't real." 👎

To keep it brief—my material consciousness is (not by my own choice) "plugged into" the Cosmic INTERNET.
That’s why I often point out that much of the information I share isn't from MY material consciousness, but is information I've received from the High Sphere.

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dehaer, you didn't freak out over those units, did you? 😉
Just kidding. 😁

I just wanted to point out that your whole red-green-dark gray trinity concept totally lines up with the traditional God-man-world.

mistyfox812: Dehaer, did those units give you a bit of a scare?

hiddenviper9:
Or maybe it's my fault for ripping out the outlet,
or perhaps I used a little too much chloroform on the wipe?

Anyway, I fixed the socket and popped in a new plug, then gave the wipe a quick spritz with some Christian Dior perfume.
So, there's 😘 from young hiddenviper9.
Anything to keep the peace at home.

But let me get serious for a second.
Don't fall for the idea that "Nothingness" ever actually existed.
The truth is, "Something" exists ETERNALLY!

In reality, Nothingness can only exist in the minds of people who can't grasp that primordial matter—the "great-grandmother of all matter"—is ETERNAL.
That primordial matter still exists today, just outside the boundaries of the cosmos.

That’s why Consciousness was also ETERNAL (long before the cosmos was created)!
Sure, back then, that Consciousness hadn't reached the Value of our modern Universal Consciousness (which manifests within the cosmos)—it had reached the Value of total logic.
Essentially, whenever anything changed within the infinity of nature, it changed according to the law of total logic.

Was I a bit clearer that time? 🙂

My dear

I am certain there is some young man you’ve taken a liking to, yet he happens to be the shy type
who will likely never find the courage to approach you first.

Why not just invite him out for a movie and some ice cream?

🙂

If you don't, you won't be thinking about these little "strategies," nor will you end up

😢 😢 😢 😢 acting like

Anyway, I wish you the best of luck.
🙂 👋

Look, quantum theory is just as murky as anything else in this universe. Pascal said it best: when you see something for the first time, it blows your mind because you can't wrap your head around it, but once you see it every day, you take it for granted and think it's obvious.
We can't even explain what color actually is, let alone consciousness or the fabric of reality itself, so how can we expect to nail this down?
And look, I'm not trying to explain one mystery with another mystery. My point is that quantum theory is the first physical theory that actually forced physicists to face the fact that non-material reality exists. That whole deal with Schrödinger's cat basically proves that the world doesn't exist as a concrete reality until we actually take a look at it.😲
The setup is simple: a cat is trapped in a box, linked to a quantum system that's tied to a dose of poison. If the system is in state A, the poison is released; if it's in state B, nothing happens. But here's the kicker: until we peek inside and check on that system, it isn't in state A OR state B.
So what's the deal with the cat? Is it dead or alive?
The answer is: neither.
It only settles into one of those two states the moment we open the box.
That's basically a wall—one of those barriers created by a closed-minded, agnostic, materialistic view of the universe as just some mindless void that we happen to inhabit as thinking beings. Observation is what separates theory from reality—but that wasn't an issue until the 20th century and all these new discoveries hit us.
What about feelings? Are they real? If we claim they aren't, despite being able to feel them, then what the hell IS real?
Seriously, if we don't want to get bogged down in endless philosophical debates, we have to accept consciousness phenomena as real, even if they aren't physical.
Are they beyond the reach of science? Maybe, but that doesn't mean we can't experience them.
Anyway, there you go. Another one for mistyfox812 to ignore.

delija said:...So, while I was doing that work, I basically made these energy—well, more like mental—connections with Memories living inside MEMORY FIELDS (kind of like hard drives, you know?) that are woven right into the energy grids formed by strings. It’s basically how the cosmic Internet is built.
(If you want to look up the whole string thing, just search Google for string theory).

And the fact that these Memory fields actually exist? Even Leibniz talked about them—he called those fields monads. But modern scientists? Man, they just totally brush him off. Like, "Who cares what this guy thinks? Monads? Please, give me a break." 👎

Anyway, to keep it short—my material consciousness is essentially "plugged into" the Cosmic INTERNET, even if it wasn't my choice.
That's why I always say a lot of the info I have isn't really *my* material consciousness talking; it's stuff I'm picking up from the High Sphere.

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But wait, these memory fields... can you explain that a bit more? Like, how do those "records" actually get created? Are they just... there, since forever? And are you just "reading" these fields, or can you actually "write" to them too?

afriend said:Look, let's be real—quantum theory is just as mind-bendingly confusing as basically everything else in this world.

Nah, I don't think so. Look, I’ve studied the basics—Newtonian mechanics, quantum stuff—and let’s be real, they aren't even in the same league when it comes to being confusing. It’s not just me, either. I don't know a single person who finds quantum physics easier to wrap their head around, but I know plenty of people who totally get Newton. Besides, Bohr said it best: if your head isn't spinning after you hear about quantum mechanics for the first time, then you clearly didn't grasp a damn thing.

A friend said:Seriously, that whole experiment with Schrödinger’s cat basically proves it: reality isn't even a solid thing until we actually look at it. One sentence, man. That's all it takes.😲

So, it really just comes down to how you choose to look at it. Honestly? Schrödinger probably wouldn't have bought that interpretation at all. And Einstein? No way. Even Bohm would've had some serious issues with it.
So, Schrödinger is basically cooking up this experiment to show how totally ridiculous it is to claim a cat could be both "alive" and "dead" at the same time based on some random probability. It’s just absurd, honestly.
It’s like... I don't know, it's almost like some weird, half-alive state? Like everything stays stuck in this limbo until the exact second we actually look to see if the cat is okay. Then it finally snaps into being alive or dead. Super trippy.

a friend said:So, picture this: there's a cat locked in a box, right? And it’s hooked up to this crazy quantum setup that’s tied directly to a dose of poison. If the quantum system hits state A, the poison gets released. If it stays in state B, nothing happens. But here's the kicker—until someone actually peeks inside or tries to measure what's going on mid-process, that system isn't just A or B. It's basically both and neither at the same time. Wild, right?
So... what's the deal with the cat then? Is it actually dead or is it alive?

It’s like, if you start using terms like "radioactive material" instead of just saying "poison"—kind of like how Schrödinger would put it—then yeah, we are definitely playing in the realm of quantum physics.
Look, we’re dealing with a classic case of toxic fallout here. Honestly? It’s probably better to just dodge the whole argument entirely and just go ahead and load in the radioactive material instead.

a friend said:Honestly? It’s neither. Neither one.
It’s like, once we finally crack that box open, we’re just gonna be staring down one of two realities. There's no in-between.

Yeah, that’s true, but honestly? The whole thing about the cat's actual state before you crack open the can is more of a philosophical headache than a physics one. You could have a bunch of different physicists all looking at the exact same data, running the same experiments, and crunching the same equations, yet they'll still give you totally different answers because their interpretations clash. Or—let's be real—most of them don't even bother with an interpretation at all.

a friend said:Think of it like this—it’s like hitting a brick wall. It's that total dead end you run into when you stick to that closed-off, agnostic, materialistic way of looking at the universe. You know, the one where everything is just mindless matter and we're just these conscious beings wandering around inside it? It creates this massive gap between what we think is true and what's actually happening. Honestly, it wasn't even much of an issue until the twentieth century hit us with all those wild new discoveries. Everything changed.
So, what even are feelings? Like, are they actually real? If they aren't, and we can totally feel them, then what the hell is left that's actually real?
Look, if we aren't gonna get bogged down in endless philosophical debates, we really have to start treating consciousness phenomena as something real, even if they aren't physical.
Does that put them out of reach for science? Maybe. But just because science hasn't grabbed them yet doesn't mean we can't experience them firsthand.
Besides, who cares what mistyfox812 thinks about it anyway.

Oh, yeah. 😉

soto said:Look, sweetie,

There’s probably some guy out there you're totally crushing on, but he's just too shy
to ever make a move on you.

Just ask him to catch a movie and grab some ice cream

🙂

Otherwise, you'll never think of these little "moves," and you won't be

😢 😢 😢 😢 acting

Yeah, good luck with that!
🙂 👋

I mean, what part of this don't you get?