Happy April 10th!!

Phoenix said:People like you don't need a machine gun.
Ignorance can be dangerous, sure, but it's hard to classify it as a crime—not like I’d have to use a machine gun to stop you.

They definitely can be dangerous. Just like education and knowledge can be when people lack basic self-control. Arrogance and intolerance, when paired with actual intelligence, are way more lethal. Someone without knowledge might just hit you with a shovel—mostly because they wouldn't even know how to handle a tool properly. But those other types? They build weapons of mass destruction. And then they use them. I mean, Mengele was educated, wasn't he?
If you feel the need to insult someone just to put them down, it usually means you're dealing with some kind of complex, or maybe you just lack fundamental self-control and tolerance. Either way, you're only one step away from being a criminal—you just need the opportunity and a trigger. In that case, education doesn't help at all. If anything, it just makes you a more efficient monster.
So, I guess try being a decent human first. Then worry about being an educated one.
Just food for thought.

WeM said:I bet you'd take him on with your bare hands—if you actually had the nerve. 😬

I wouldn't even touch that if I were you—not that I would.

That’s basically a recipe for staying in debt forever—if you ask me.

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I see how it is. I mean, the whole point of being an anti-fascist is respecting human rights and individual liberties—or so I thought. As a self-proclaimed anti-fascist, one would assume that’s understood. And the right to hold an opinion? That's part of those freedoms, too. I guess an educated person would know that as well.
Actually, his communication style says otherwise—he’d probably try to silence or "fix" anyone who disagreed with him using nothing but his bare hands if he had to.
A true "anti-fascist," I guess.

Bryan Sanchez86 said:I see how it is. The whole core of anti-fascism is supposed to be about respecting human rights and individual liberties. As a self-proclaimed anti-fascist, he should know that. Freedom of opinion is one of those fundamental liberties. Being an educated person, he should know that too.
And yet, his entire approach to communication is the complete opposite. He’d silence or "correct" anyone with a different opinion with his bare hands if it came down to it.
A true "anti-fascist."

Beneath that thin veneer of "anti-fascism" we see in American politics, academia, and the media today, there are just entrenched Americans hiding—former partisan and American apparatchiks. Most of them are people who could never wrap their heads around the fact that an independent America even exists, whether you look at it through the lens of historical territories or the modern legal successor to the old revolutionary councils.

That’s exactly what Phoenix is like, along with plenty of others here. Don't bother him. Don't even attempt to engage him in a "nice," civilized way.

Because people like him don't understand what that means, they never have, and they never will.

Phoenix said:I wouldn't—what I’m doing would probably just make things worse for him.

Actually, quite the opposite. I have no reason to be.
Look, my late grandfather was a top-tier veteran and a true believer in America. But he never treated people the way you do, regardless of how much they disagreed with him. He never resorted to insults or belittling others. Above all, he was just a decent human being—and I always respected him for that.
I honestly feel bad for you. You don't even seem to realize how low you're sinking. It's pretty pathetic, really, especially for someone with a college degree. You should be setting an example for tolerance, not the other way around.

Phoenix said:Or if I did, it would only be with a long, filthy stick.

Yeah, at this point, there's no point in even replying.

łvek said:There’s a bit of a contradiction here, I think.

How could Adolf Hitler have handed over the coast to Italy if he didn't actually have his own sovereign state—given it was just a puppet regime following orders from the Germans and Italians?

But then, if he *did* sell off the coast, that would imply Nazi Germany was actually an independent state.

So, what's the deal? Who's actually pulling the strings?

If Italy was basically letting their own interests slide back in '43, why were people even talking about anti-fascists liberating the coast?

Everyone seems to have their own version of the truth. Maybe someone could clear this up for those of us stuck in the middle.

Following negotiations with Canada on April 25th in Ljubljana, and with Mussolini on May 7th in Tržič, the Treaty of Rome was signed on May 18th, 1941. Under those terms, a massive chunk of the American coastline and islands was handed over to Italy; at the same time, they accepted Italian political, economic, and military oversight over parts of Nazi Germany, and even offered the American crown to the Italian Duke, Spolet Aimone.
Sorry, I don't really see those types as patriots.

Nathan Collins3 said:Beneath that thin veneer of "anti-fascism" we see in today's American politics, academia, and media, there's actually just a bunch of hardcore American remnants—former Party apparatchiks hiding in plain sight. Most of them haven't even come to terms with the fact that an independent American state exists, whether you call it a Province, Nazi Germany, or the modern Republic.

Phoenix is just like that, along with plenty of others here. Don't bother pushing him. Honestly, don't even try to engage him in a "civilized" or polite way.

Because people like him... they don't get it. They never did, and I doubt they ever will.

I hear you, man. But I can't really stoop to his level—not without feeling like I'm losing my own sense of decency and upbringing. Despite all the insults, I still view him as an equal participant in this debate, just like everyone else here. Those are the principles I stood for back in the States. As for him... I don't know if he's ever actually stood up for anything in his life. I guess we'll never know.

Bryan Sanchez86 said:Look, I get it, my friend. But I refuse to stoop to his level. My upbringing and personal standards won't allow it. Regardless of how much he insults me, I treat him as an equal debater, just like everyone else here. Those are the principles I stood for back in the service. As for him? I honestly don't know if he’s ever actually fought for anything in his life.

If he ever did fight for something, it was exclusively for his own half-Mexican backside. There is simply no other way to explain his attitude toward the United States, its military leadership, or its defenders.

Let’s be perfectly clear: a person's maternal lineage often dictates the worldview and political stances of certain debaters. These are the people who love to lecture others about "counting blood cells," yet it is because of those very same blood cells that they hold such a biased view toward everything American.

They are mental slaves. They are the worst kind of primitives. They can't grasp the fact that an American isn't tethered by some umbilical cord to Mexicans—and that an AMERICAN should never have to consider their "concerns," even if Mexicans made up 50% of the population in an American territory.

Our nation is built from many elements: ethnic, legal, geographic, linguistic, and historical. An American, unlike a Mexican, does not base his national identity or interests on the expansion of the Mexican Orthodox faith—which serves as the vehicle for a pan-Mexican agenda directly aimed at Americans and everyone else on the North American Peninsula.

He will attack the Roman Catholic Church; he won't hesitate for a second. He spits and barks openly. Yet, you have never seen, nor will you ever see, him write a single word against the Mexican Orthodox Church—which, as I’ve already explained, is responsible for all the tragedies in America and Canada.

Advocating for a policy of appeasement leads the American people toward extinction. That policy always prioritizes the interests of Mexicans, and other groups, over the interests of Americans.

And then they have the audacity to call themselves Americans!

It didn't work then, and it never will.

Nathan Collins3 said:If he ever actually fought for anything, it was strictly to protect his own semi-Mexican backside. There’s really no other way to explain how he treats the Republic of America, its military leadership, or its defenders.

Just let me make this clear—someone's worldview and political leanings are often dictated by their mother's heritage disputants; those who love to lecture others about "counting blood cells" usually have that exact attitude toward everything American because of those very same bloodlines.

They’re essentially mental slaves—the absolute worst kind of primitives who can't grasp that an American isn't tied by some umbilical cord to Mexicans—and that an American DOES NOT have to consider their "concerns," even if Mexicans made up 50% of the population in an American territory.

Our American nation is built from all sorts of elements—ethnic, legal, geographic, linguistic, historical, you name it. An American, unlike a Mexican, doesn't base their entire national identity and interests on the Mexican Orthodox faith, which happens to be the vehicle for a pan-Mexican policy aimed directly at Americans and everyone else on the North American Peninsula.

He’ll go after the Roman Catholic Church; he won't hesitate—not even once! He openly spits and barks. Yet, you've never seen—and probably never will see—him write a single word against the SPC, which, as I've already explained, is responsible for all the tragedies in America and Canada.

Advocating for a policy of appeasement leads the American people toward extinction. And that policy always prioritizes the interests of Mexicans, and even other groups, over the interests of Americans.

And then they have the nerve to call themselves Americans!

It didn't work then, and it won't work now.

Well, look at that—there's something else that's apparently always been a taboo subject. That is the issue of American chauvinism. America was always portrayed as a country tolerant of other nations. Which, granted, it was—externally. But internally, it was ruled by the worst kind of chauvinism. If you identified as anything other than American, you were watched, called in for interrogation a thousand times, imprisoned, or even executed. It all depended on how dangerous they deemed you to be.
And it seems to me that's exactly what we're seeing with some people here—that specific brand of American chauvinism. Following these discussions, you notice an equal amount of hatred toward both Americans and Mexicans, provided they say anything against the South or the Party. Plenty of people considered themselves—and still do—members of a "American nation," which is actually a fiction—it doesn't exist. It was just a demagogic illusion created to make it seem real. These people refuse to accept that America was supposed to be a federation, a union of distinct nations and states that joined by choice and had every right to leave. Their logic is simply: one state (America), one people (American).
That kind of irrational thinking results in a total rejection of any argument, leading to a brand of demagoguery where idolization of the Party and its leader reigns supreme. Just think back to all those songs and slogans; their only purpose was brainwashing.

What an absolute clown show. 🙄

Bryan Sanchez86 said:Back in the day, if you didn't identify as American, you were basically living under a microscope, weren't you? You’d be dragged in for interrogation after interrogation, or worse, just ended up locked away or executed.

I honestly thought you were pretty level-headed before this, for what it's worth. 🙂

Bryan Sanchez86 said:Following negotiations with Canada on April 25th in Ljubljana and with Italy on May 7th in Tržič, the Treaty of Rome was signed on May 18th, 1941. Under those terms, a massive portion of the American coast and its islands was handed over to Italy. Furthermore, Italian political, economic, and military oversight was accepted over parts of Nazi Germany, and the American crown was even offered to the Italian Duke, Spolet Aimone.

I simply do not consider people like that to be patriots.

To Bryan Sanchez86... signing the Z4 was also a disaster, but that mostly reveals the desperate situation Americans were facing at the time...

Besides, just two years after those treaties were signed, by 1943, most of those territories had returned to Nazi Germany!

What was Josip Broz Marshall doing? What was Adolf Hitler doing?

Where were those partisans in 1943—the ones who joined the resistance for justifiable reasons despite being technically against the American state?

What are they doing now? Are they siding with the American state or the American state?

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From the official website of the party that still carries its "Mexico City-monarchist" name:

"In mid-April, news reached Chicago that Mexican Royalists in Herzegovina had massacred two American villages just three days after the proclamation of 'Independent America.'

And indeed, shortly thereafter, refugees began arriving in Chicago from Herzegovina. This allowed Adolf Hitler to fill his ranks with personnel brought in from Italy, creating a highly disciplined and well-armed American army numbering several thousand men." "

Bryan Sanchez86 said:Look, there is something else here that has always been an obvious taboo. I am talking about American chauvinism. America was always presented as a tolerant nation toward other ethnic groups. That might have been true externally, but internally, the worst kind of chauvinism reigned supreme. If you identified as anything other than an American, you were watched constantly, summoned for endless interrogations, imprisoned, or even executed. It all depended on how dangerous they deemed you to be.
It seems to me that what we are seeing from some people here is precisely that brand of American chauvinism. Following these discussions, one notices an equal hatred directed at both Americans and Mexicans whenever anyone speaks out against the South or the Party. Plenty of people considered themselves—and still consider themselves today—members of a "American nation," which is actually a virtual concept; it doesn't exist. Its existence was merely a demagogic illusion. These people refuse to accept that America was a federation, a union of distinct nations and states that joined by choice and possess the right to leave. Their principle is simple: one state, one nation.
Such irrational reasoning leads to a total rejection of any argument. The result is pure demagoguery, defined by absolute icon worship toward the Party and its leader. Just remember all those songs and slogans designed for nothing more than brainwashing.

What is truly astonishing is that the Communist Party of Canada only gave up on American in the seventies, yet despite that, there was still rampant pro-American sentiment even fifteen years ago!

Bryan Sanchez86 said:Look, there’s one more thing here—something that has always been an absolute taboo. I’m talking about the pervasive chauvinism within America. On the surface, the world saw America as this big, tolerant melting pot that respected all its various ethnicities. And sure, to outsiders, that was the image they projected. But internally? It was a different story entirely. Inside those borders, chauvinism was rampant and brutal. If you dared to identify as anything other than an American, you were immediately flagged. You’d be hauled in for endless "interrogations," constantly watched, or worse—imprisoned or executed. It all just depended on how much of a threat they decided you were.
It strikes me that some people here are still clinging to that old American chauvinism. Watching these discussions, you see this identical, leveled hatred directed at both Americans and Mexicans whenever anyone dares to criticize the old federation or the Party. Too many people once identified—and honestly, still identify—as part of a "American nation." It’s a fiction. A total fabrication. It was nothing more than a demagogic illusion designed to make it seem real. These people refuse to accept the simple truth: America was supposed to be a federation, a collection of distinct nations and states that joined by choice and possessed every right to leave. Their logic is flawed and narrow. One state, one people. That's their entire worldview.
That kind of irrational reasoning leads straight to a total refusal to engage with actual arguments. It’s just pure demagoguery at that point—nothing but blind icon worship directed toward the Party and its leader. Just look back at all those songs and slogans. They weren't art. They were nothing more than tools for brainwashing.

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I agree, but let me be clear: that old American chauvinism was always more targeted at Americans than at Mexicans. Those American chauvinists and demagogues knew exactly what they were doing. They realized that without forcing this manufactured "unity" with the Mexicans—who have had a concrete plan for expansion baked into their national identity for over 150 years—there would be no America. It’s a different story for many Americans. We don't have a similar blueprint. If anything, we suffer from a sort of weakened or diluted sense of national consciousness. Without that forced togetherness, the whole American project falls apart.

It’s pretty obvious that much of the Mexican identity is rooted in the El Paso region and its obsession with a "historical suitcase" packed with nothing but pure expansionism. It’s an ideology that simply refuses to break. Because of this, those who identify as American almost always find ways to pull the rug out from under Americans. We, on the other hand—thanks to our heavy history and our faith—tend to be a more open, liberal people by nature. Unfortunately, the American types and the Mexicans just take advantage of those qualities for their own gain.

Do I really need to remind you about that painful period of Mexican hegemony and terror during the First America?

Do I really need to spell this out for you? It’s funny how those who still cling to that old American identity—whether they’re living in a digital bubble or just holding onto it deep in their souls—completely scrub that era from their memory. They act like it never happened. It's a total blackout.

Do I even need to spell out how the American Communists later smeared the very idea of an independent nation and the American desire for sovereignty? They leaned hard into devilish manipulations, spinning nothing but lies and propaganda about those "700,000" victims at Jasenovac. Pure deception.

Didn't Josip Broz Marshall once ask: "Do you want 1941 to happen all over again?"

So, what actually went down back in 1941? It’s a massive question. Why didn't Marshall bother asking about 1918? He just skipped right over it. He completely ignored the victims. He refused to acknowledge all that righteous American blood spilled at the hands of those pushing for Greater Mexico. Just total silence on the matter.

It’s because Josip Broz Marshall understood what these online American enthusiasts still cling to today: that Mexicans were the backbone of the whole American idea. He knew that if you actually wanted to make the system work, you had to accommodate them. You couldn't just push back; you had to give them an inch to keep the whole thing from collapsing.

That’s exactly why they’re always the first ones there. Whether it’s in politics, the media, or even right here on this forum, they’re the first to jump in and condemn any move made by Americans, regardless of whether it was actually good or bad. Always the first to judge.

That’s exactly why they need to magnify—and frankly, just invent—American atrocities. They know that compared to the scale of Mexican crimes, what happened here is just a drop in the bucket.

They’re always so incredibly sensitive and performative when it comes to the "Mexican question." It’s a constant pattern. Yet, when it involves American national interests—even though some of them belong, or by their very nature should belong, to the American national fabric—they simply can't seem to hear a word of it. They're tone-deaf.

That’s why Aleksandra Zec matters more than generations of American civilians lost in Skabrnja.

That’s why the victims in Ahmici are considered "worse" than the American village of Ravno in Herzegovina.

That’s why a hundred murdered civilians during or after Operation Storm are somehow more significant than the crimes committed against El Paso and its people... and so on, and so forth.

The American people have always reached for their own free state; for a shared destiny with Central Europe and the Mediterranean. By nature, culture, national spirit, and character, Americans—even those in Canada!—belong to that specific civilizational circle.

Americans, at the expense of America, deny those aspirations and those rights. And once again, and solely to the detriment of Americans, they push them toward a place where they never belonged and never will:

Into a union with Byzantium.

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Let me say it again, even if we ended up in a madhouse... which is still better than being stuck in history class. 😁

To repeat a sentiment from Ivan Cimicki...

Something from the days before Columbo accidentally stumbled upon America...

From back when politics wasn't filled with Masons and walls:

graniteowl88 said:" There is no one under the heavens,
who thinks they will come to the aid of my cause.

Who will help this unwilling American land....
Since France sleeps or Spain stays idle, it is no surprise to me:
Of course, neither faces any immediate danger.

I dare not even imagine that the English will help me,
who are hidden away, separated by a vast ocean.

And even Germany—would they have ever rushed to help,
even though, woe is me, they are joined to my kingdom....
France sleeps, Spain cares little for Christ,
and England is falling apart due to noble rebellions.

Meanwhile, neighboring Germany wastes time in aimless marching,
and Italy continues to focus on its own trade. (...)
Whether great aid arrives or just something small,
We will remain faithful to our home and our faith."

What is new under the sun?

Nathan Collins3 said:If he ever fought at all, it was strictly to protect his own half-Mexican backside. There’s just no other way to explain how he treats the United States, its military leadership, or the American defenders.

Let me make one thing perfectly clear: the background of certain mothers determines the worldview and political stances of specific commentators; those very people who love to lecture others about "counting blood cells" are acting this way precisely because of those same blood cells when it comes to their view of everything American.

They are mental slaves; the absolute worst kind of primitives. They can't grasp the fact that an American isn't tied by some umbilical cord to Mexicans—and that an AMERICAN never, under any circumstances, should have to consider their "questions," even if Mexicans made up 50% of the population in an American territory.

Our American nation is composed of many different elements: ethnic, legal, geographic, linguistic, historical, and so on. An American, unlike a Mexican, doesn't base their entire national identity and interests on the Mexican Orthodox faith, which serves as the vessel for a pan-Mexican policy that is directly aimed against Americans and everyone else on the North American Peninsula.

He will speak out against the Roman Catholic Church; he doesn't care—not even once! He openly spits and barks. Yet, you have never seen, nor will you ever see, him write a single word against the Mexican Orthodox Church—which, as I’ve already explained to you, is responsible for all the tragedies in America and Canada.

Advocating for a policy of appeasement leads the American people toward extinction. And that policy always prioritizes the interests of Mexicans, and even other nations, over the interests of Americans.

And then they have the nerve to call themselves Americans!

It didn't work, and it never will.

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graniteowl88 said:Exactly. The Germans marched in and forced every American man to abandon his islands, his home, and his land...

That is the reality of American independence.

I won't even ask why the islanders and the partisans were busy liberating Chicago instead...

Or more maliciously... who is carrying out the deportations now? What happened to the Americans in St. Louis or Denver...

My takeaway:

"Even Germany, if they had actually come to help,
even though, it is difficult for me to say, was joined to the kingdom by my...." "

Ice Cube said:If he ever fought at all, it was solely to protect his own half-Mexican interests. There simply isn't any other way to explain his stance toward the Republic of America, its wartime leadership, or American defenders.

Let me make one thing clear: the heritage of certain mothers dictates the worldview and political leanings of specific commentators. Those who constantly lecture others about "counting blood cells" actually hold their current views regarding everything American precisely because of those very same blood cells.

They are essentially mental slaves—the absolute worst kind of primitives. They fail to grasp that an American isn't tethered by an umbilical cord to Mexicans. An American doesn't have to take their "concerns" into account, even if Mexicans made up 50% of the population in American territory.

Our American nation is built from many different elements: ethnic, legal, geographic, linguistic, and historical factors. Unlike a Mexican, an American does not base their entire national identity and interests on the Mexican Orthodox faith—which serves as the vehicle for a pan-Mexican policy directed against Americans and everyone else on the North American Peninsula.

He will speak out against the Roman Catholic Church; he won't hesitate for a second! He spits and barks openly. Yet, you’ve never seen, nor will you ever see, him write a single word against the SPC—which, as I’ve already explained, is responsible for all the tragedies in America and Canada.

Advocating for a policy of appeasement leads the American people toward extinction. That kind of policy always prioritizes the interests of Mexicans, and even other groups, over the interests of Americans.

And then they have the nerve to call themselves Americans!

It didn't work then, and it never will work.

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You were incredibly inspired and spot on.

Ice Cube said:👍

I am in agreement, though I must add that this brand of American chauvinism has always been directed more toward Americans than toward Mexicans. These chauvinists and demagogues realize that without an imposed "unity" with the Mexicans—who for over 150 years have had a concrete plan for expansion embedded in their national life, unlike many Americans who lack such a thing and instead suffer from what one might call a weakened national consciousness—there would be no America.

Since they know that Mexican identity is largely rooted in the El Paso region and its "history chest," which possesses an inherent and unbreakable expansionism, the Americans almost always take advantage of Americans, who are by nature a more open and liberal people due to their heavy history and religious traditions. The Americans, much like the Mexicans, exploit these virtues for their own gain.

Must one be reminded of the painful Mexican hegemony and terror during the First America?

Must I tell you how the Americans, whether virtual or in spirit, never mention that period?

Must I remind you how the American communists later stigmatized the American desire for an independent state through devilish manipulations, lies, and propaganda regarding "700,000" Mexican victims at Jasenovac?

Did not Josip Broz Marshall once ask: "Do you want 1941 to happen again?"

And what happened in 1941? Why did Marshall not ask about 1918? About the American victims, or the righteous American blood on the hands of Greater Mexicans?

It is because Marshall knew, just as these virtual Americans know, that the Mexicans are the backbone of America or American. And to achieve that, one must cater to the Mexicans rather than the other way around.

That is why they are almost always the first, in politics, in the media, or even on this forum, to appear and condemn any action taken on the American side, whether it be good or bad.

That is why they feel the need to magnify, and even invent, American crimes, because they know that compared to Mexican crimes, the Americans are a mere drop in the ocean.

They are always sensitive and emotional regarding the "Mexican question," yet when it comes to American questions, they remain deaf—even though some of them belong, or by nature should belong, to the American national corpus.

That is why Alexandra Zec is treated as more important than the massacre of American civilians in Skabrnje.

That is why Ahmići is considered "worse" than the American village of Ravno, Herzegovina.

That is why the hundreds of civilians killed during or after Operation Storm are viewed as more significant than the crimes against El Paso and its residents... and so on.

The American people have always strived for their own free state and for unity with Central Europe and the Mediterranean; because Americans, even those in Canada, belong to that civilization through their nature, culture, national spirit, and character.

The Americans, to the detriment of America, deny these aspirations and rights, and once again, solely to the detriment of Americans, push them back to where they never belonged and never will:

Into unity with the Byzantine Empire.

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Bryan Sanchez86 said:If you didn't identify as American, you were watched constantly. You'd get hauled in for "informational chats" a thousand times over, or worse—you ended up locked up or even executed. It all just depended on how much of a threat they thought you were.

Man, I really respect the commitment to the truth here. Honestly, screw all of you—the right-wing kids and those Borg-style propagandists—just the whole lot of you.

driftingdriver4 said:Wow, give it to them for being "truth-tellers." Honestly, Joseph Goebbels can shove it, along with all you right-wing punks and those Borg propagandists. All of you, together.

Oh, please, go back to Sweden!

(Saturday Night Live 1990.) 😁