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hiddenviper9, just how much longer am I actually going to be around? come on, give it to me straight... please...
Started by Gerald Young4 · · 👁 6 views · 58 replies
Rebecca Cox2 said:And then what?
What problems were we talking about exactly, and how did they disappear, if you don't mind my asking? This kind of vague testimony is typical for alternative medicine...
hiddenviper9 said:Exactly, gentlecanyon92. You’ve been seeing a bioenergetic healer who operates at the same level—if not higher—than I do.
In fact, if he were reading this post, he’d recognize himself in these words immediately.
gentlecanyon92 said:I truly believe there is so much more to this world than what we, as humans, are simply capable of seeing—or perhaps, what we even want to see.
gentlecanyon92 said:At the end of the day, every claim, every legend, or any myth ever told was built upon some fundamental truth...
gentlecanyon92 said:Isn't it obvious that alternative medicine—just like every other industry in this world—has its share of frauds? Why should we be surprised when people look for any way to turn a profit? Whether you’re looking at manual trades, corporate jobs, or even medical practices, isn't it true that there are always those looking to exploit others for financial gain? How many dishonest professions can you name off the top of your head where people actively try to scam their neighbors? At the end of the day, a few bad actors doesn't mean alternative medicine itself is synonymous with dishonesty.
gentlecanyon92 said:Why should we ever stop believing that there are people out there who truly know? There are those who possess genuine, direct connections to the source... shouldn't we hold onto that possibility?
Rebecca Cox2 said:Or outright lies. That’s a massive blunder both alternative practitioners and believers make. Just because something is labeled a legend doesn't mean it actually happened. Look at all those urban legends floating around the internet. Some have a kernel of truth, but plenty are pure fiction...
Rebecca Cox2 said:It isn't just that alternative medicine is often synonymous with scammers; their terminology is quasi-scientific, clearly designed to mimic legitimate institutions so they can be viewed as equal to orthodox or conventional medicine.
One should also note that what we call conventional medicine today was once considered "alternative." It was only accepted as the "real thing" once it started producing results vastly superior to "miracle tonics" or "exorcising evil spirits."
Rebecca Cox2 said:One should trust evidence and data, not anecdotal accounts of healings. People lie, they delude themselves, or they simply experience a self-limiting recovery (like a common cold—it passes whether you take an aspirin, homeopathic water, or nothing at all)...
I mean, there's a reason alternative medicine is still "alternative" fifty years after its recent resurgence. There is simply no unbiased, empirical evidence that these methods work for anything other than the placebo effect.
Kate Diaz said:Actually, there’s another side to this coin. People are feeling let down by mainstream medicine and traditional science. Someone convinced them—sold them on the idea—that science could answer every single question and map out the entire universe, and that one day, medicine would cure every ailment on Earth. In short, people expected science to usher them straight into the gates of paradise. They waited and waited, but that promised paradise never arrived. And now? It’s becoming impossible to explain to them that science isn't omnipotent, nor will medicine eventually wipe out all disease.
Kate Diaz said:People have always been mesmerized by miracles, and they've always followed those who claim to perform them. So, it’s hardly surprising that alternative movements have such devoted followers.
Kate Diaz said:The biggest issue is that in most cases, we aren't even talking about miracles; it's just one big deception, a lie, a utopia, or an illusion.
gentlecanyon92 said:Alright, here goes...
I had some major digestive issues during a trip—lots of cramping and I had to run to the restroom constantly.🙂 We couldn't figure out the cause, and doctors just chalked it up to motion sickness or something similar. It didn't let up even after two weeks, despite all my tests coming back perfectly normal. Eventually, a bioenergetic practitioner identified that it was actually food poisoning from two weeks prior. He pinpointed it himself without us giving him any clues; he didn't even know when my symptoms first started, yet he hit the nail on the head. He told me there were bacteria in my small intestine and said he would clear it out, advising me to call him again if the symptoms returned. Well, they haven't. Everything has been fine since that day.
I was healed just sitting on my couch watching TV. The cost? $0.00...
There are plenty of other examples too... exact timing, full recovery... I can write more if you'd like.
gentlecanyon92 said:Modern medicine isn't some magic trick; it’s built on miracle tonics and chemicals that ultimately originate from nature itself. All of this was rooted in what we used to call alternative medicine back then. Nothing is truly new here—we simply have to make do with the tools we have available...
It's like buying a car or anything else in everyday life; you look at it and see a good vehicle, but how can you know if the dealer is trying to scam you or if the car is genuinely solid? You only find out once you check its specs, the components, and take it for a test drive. If it's good, it's good, and you buy it. But of course, a seller can still deceive you...
Kate Diaz said:Look, it's fine. If believing in this actually helps you, then there isn't a problem.
But how do you actually know it was HIM—the energy healer—who did the work? Personally, it might not matter much to you; all that matters is that you got better. But you can't claim he definitely provided the cure or that you're certain of his efficacy.
It is entirely possible your illness simply ran its course, or that your own immune system won the fight. You just happened to credit the energy healer by sheer coincidence.
On the other hand, we shouldn't ignore the massive psychosomatic impact of the placebo effect. If you believed that this healer would help, and you were deeply convinced of it, that psychological effect can be powerful enough to trigger actual physical improvement. That phenomenon is widely recognized in medicine and is even utilized for therapeutic purposes.
Kate Diaz said:Determining whether a method is actually effective or justified is a bit more complex than just listening to hearsay or highlighting individual success stories. You have to weigh those successes against the total number of attempts. Unfortunately for energy healers, when you apply a systematic approach to testing their success rate, it becomes clear that their "wins" are often nothing more than pure coincidence driven by the placebo effect.
Kate Diaz said:What really bothers me isn't that people seek help from alternative practitioners, but rather their obnoxious and aggressive behavior. Their self-promotion and the way they "prove" themselves by citing successful cases where they supposedly cure cancer or a million other ailments that conventional medicine can't touch is nothing but a lie, an illusion, and a deception. It’s playing with people's emotions; it's a scam, and at the very least, it's the most morally bankrupt form of manipulation. It’s like selling a lump of dirt as gold and claiming it's precious just because you found one tiny speck of gold inside that dirt.
hiddenviper9 said:nimblecobra79: hiddenviper9, what about sin?
hiddenviper9:
First off, we actually need to answer one basic question: What even is sin?
Because honestly, it’s not everything the church tries to force us to label as such.
So, go ahead—tell me which specific sins you think would cause cells to be damaged.
But don't you dare bring up "church sins"—for instance, loving someone else's wife isn't a sin according to the laws of Nature.
It's not even against God's law.
So, which sins are we talking about?
Sanja 😳) said:In your opinion, why are people turning more and more toward alternative medical treatments? What are your reasons, assuming you've personally tried any of them?
gentlecanyon92 said:If it’s just a coincidence, I’m going to keep leaning into it as long as it keeps working as a cure.😉
I don't know all the specific coincidences or circumstances that have to align, or where the line is drawn between what can be healed and what cannot, but I do know that in certain cases, it is possible...
Sarah Cruz2 said:I visited the Croatika esotericist fair last weekend, and the whole thing was quite intriguing. Aside from stepping outside a few times to get some air—partly due to the heat and partly because of the pressure I felt building up—my stomach started acting up, and honestly, I could barely make it home. As soon as I walked through the door, I jumped straight into the tub, and something interesting happened. While catching up on all the latest gossip in Globe 😁 😁, I suddenly felt this warmth radiating from my solar plexus area (which I later realized is where the heart chakra is located). It felt like a flow, almost as if an energy was being released from within me, like some sort of cleansing process? Anyway, once I got out of the bath, the pain was completely gone.
Does anyone have any thoughts?
hiddenviper9, is there a way for you to read my energy via email and pinpoint what my issue is? What is your take on hexes—do they actually exist and work? Also, what do you think about charging high prices for these services? Do you think if there's a fee involved, as gentlecanyon92 suggests, then it's acceptable? Does something that lasts just one weekend and costs $0.53 count as therapy or a total rip-off? (Over $200?)
velvetpilot212 said:because medicine only addresses the surface level rather than tackling the actual root cause,
Kate Diaz said:I’ve honestly never been able to wrap my head around this argument. No matter how much I try to process it, I just can't get behind the logic used by homeopaths and those other folks who claim modern medicine only treats symptoms rather than causes. I mean, if that's true, what exactly does medicine deal with? Someone please enlighten me.
If you get hit with TB bacteria, you treat it with drugs designed to kill that specific bacterium—you address the actual cause. You don't just suppress a fever and chug some cough syrup and call it a day...