Turkey joining the EU

Ashley Rogers4 said:A total waste of cash and time. The European Union is going to pop like a soap bubble after a few million deaths, mostly because national bureaucracies will start turning on each other. I’ll give you five years of peace before we hit the next major global conflict.

There's no need to panic. Hopefully, the world's militia and the supposed birthplace of democracy will step up—assuming things don't go south like they did in the old America.

David Adams65 said:The fundamental difference between the Roman Empire and the European Union lies in how they went about conquering the Mediterranean and Europe; back then, they forced their way in against everyone's wishes, whereas now, they're practically begging anyone to join, even if there's less interest than before. It’s funny how strange human nature is—in the end, the outcome remains identical, with various provinces simply serving their home nations.

To be perfectly honest, I'm against Turkey joining the European Union, mostly because they just don't fit the European mold.
Yebote, it's like Maccabi from Israel being the champions of Europe.👎

I truly hope you're all wrong regarding the war🙄
even though everyone keeps insisting that history is just repeating itself.😢

Ashley Rogers4 said:Human rights is a massive rabbit hole. Just check out the thread about the Swiss on this same forum to see how messy that gets. And I don't even need to mention how Germans treat everyone else in the EU.

The EU is just the result of German imperialist policy and French ego. The Germans are basically doing exactly what they did last century, just using economic tools now. The French just tagged along because they don't have a better move. Everything else is just window dressing.

The EU is nothing more than a soap bubble built on bureaucracy.

Calling it just French ego is an understatement. It’s pure, unadulterated arrogance from the French political elite. Yebote, does everyone here have a memory problem? Remember when the French President basically told Eastern European countries to shut up and stay quiet instead of speaking their minds? If that's what we expect from an alliance, then we're all just naive fools, regardless of whether he was right or wrong.
I won't even bother explaining the Germans. They wouldn't know how to throw away trash properly if there wasn't a specific law telling them how to do it. That's the kind of country Kafka was probably thinking of when he wrote The Trial.

And discussing that little "Duce" from Italy and his blatant nepotism isn't even worth the breath. I recently heard from an Italian colleague that "Duce" is getting ready to sell off his massive media empire. He's moving into the health and life insurance business. Apparently, since the national healthcare system is struggling, they'll need private insurers—and they might even change the laws to favor private companies. We'll just have to watch how that plays out.

As for Russia and that other dictator icon, it's not even worth mentioning.

Let's stop pretending we're stupid. We all know who's actually calling the shots in the EU and who's really manufacturing this "European dream."😁

I honestly have nothing against Turkey joining the European Union.

Why not? I'm convinced those issues will get sorted out during negotiations. It’s a fact they've been given negotiation dates, so things are definitely moving. Besides, people are just people. I don't see why they shouldn't thrive within the EU community either.

In our lifetime, I think Ukraine—maybe even some other former Soviet republics too—will join.

If you look closely at geopolitics, certain things become pretty obvious.

The French primarily, followed by the rest of the group like Germany, really want to push a policy of global polarization. It's the classic old "divide and rule" tactic. Globalization doesn't serve their interests in that regard. Neither did the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They lost access to that cheap oil they were skimming from the Saudis, and Afghanistan just heightened the fear of an American presence in the East.
It'll be interesting to see Poland in a new light, how they'll handle France and Germany, and if there's any real strength behind a "Slavic pact" within the EU.

I’m totally against Turkey joining the European Union.

Honestly, they still have a mountain of work to do before they can even dream of sitting at the table as equals with the rest of the EU.

And don't even get me started on those doom-and-gloom types who keep predicting that the EU is going to collapse or that we're all headed straight for massive wars and other nonsense.

If you actually look at the facts, the number of countries wanting to join is growing, and people don't just jump into things for no reason—they clearly see some kind of benefit in being part of it.

I guess everyone has just gotten so used to traveling without having to drag a passport around everywhere that they’ve completely forgotten what a massive headache it used to be back in the day.
Businesses know better than anyone how much easier life is within the EU. And don't even get me started on these self-proclaimed "experts" who act like they have their pick of any job anywhere in the world.

Now, I can already hear someone bringing up unemployment or whatever. But honestly, that feels more like a side effect of globalization and the skyrocketing cost of living across the whole European continent rather than an issue caused by the EU itself.

The European Parliament is a whole different story, though. I mean, the English people seem totally checked out from the whole thing—I think they practically voted in anti-EU parties just to spite the system—so they basically just cherry-pick what works for them and toss everything else aside.

As long as the majority of nations see a strategic advantage in staying together, the EU is going to stick around. Let's be real: countries didn't unite because they were all suddenly best friends; they did it because they knew there would be some serious perks involved.

Sarah James4 said:The French are leading the charge here—followed closely by everyone else in the European Union, especially the Germans—trying to push this whole agenda of global polarization... basically the good old "divide and conquer" tactic. And honestly? Globalization just doesn't work for them anymore if they want to keep that kind of control. Not to mention the mess in Iraq and Afghanistan... they lost access to that cheap oil they used to skim off the top from the Saddam era, and all that chaos in Afghanistan just fueled the paranoia about an American power grab toward the East.
It’s going to be fascinating to watch how Poland shifts its perspective now—seeing how they play things against France and Germany—and whether there’s even any real muscle behind some sort of "Slavic pact" within the EU structure.

The longer I spend looking at this mess from the outside, the more I appreciate where I am right now... I'm seriously getting sick to my stomach just thinking about European politics.

David Adams65 said:The longer I spend looking at this mess from afar, the more I realize I’d rather be right here where I am... honestly, European politics just makes me want to gag.

And what, you don't get sick to your stomach over Bush's policies? Doesn't it make you want to throw up?

Ashley Rogers4 said:A total waste of cash and time. The European Union is gonna pop like a soap bubble, leaving millions dead in its wake because all those national bureaucracies are just going to start turning on each other... I’m giving you five years of peace, max, and after that? Just another massive global war.

Why would it collapse in five years? Only because you’re living on the other side of the world. Total bullshit. It’s actually just going to get even stronger.

mistyhound2 said:Why would it fall apart in five years? Just because you're living on the other side of the world? That's total nonsense. If anything, it’s only going to get stronger.

👍 Honestly, you took the words right out of my mouth!

psssst, don't tell a soul... I took... 😁

Isn't Turkey actually about 99.7 percent located in Asia?

So what is that even supposed to mean? And what happens if it's in Asia?

I feel like I've seen plenty of people here making this same point, yet nobody actually explains it.😕

Honestly, it seems like some people here don't even know what the EEC is...

mistyhound2 said:psssst, don't tell anyone... I took... 😁

Man, sorry about that, I am just feeling super scattered today 😬

mistyhound2 said:And what about Bush's policies? Doesn't that make you want to gag? Or is that just too much to handle?

Look, even if Bush was predictable—and let's be honest, we all knew exactly what he was up to...—at least he was consistent. But the European Union? It's a complete circus. Everyone is just constantly trying to screw each other over for their own little gain. It's absolute madness...

Terry Smith4 said:👍 Man, you basically just took the words right out of my mouth!

It’s always the same pattern—first comes the denial, then the anger, then the bargaining, then the depression... and finally acceptance. Well, based on how you're acting, you're clearly still stuck deep in the denial phase...

Sarah James4 said:So what is that even supposed to mean? Like, what difference does it make if it’s in Asia?

Honestly, I feel like half of you have thrown out this exact same argument, yet nobody actually bothers to explain it... just throwing words around without any substance. 😕

It really seems to me like some people here don't even have a clue what the EEC actually was...

And personally? It looks to me like we have a lot of people here who work way too hard to sound smart but haven't actually learned anything. The European Economic Community is just the old name for the EU... I have absolutely no idea why some outdated acronym for the EU would have anything to do with Turkey... or maybe you just wanted to act all "in the know" by dropping an abbreviation you barely understand?

Sarah James4 said:So what is that supposed to mean? And what if it’s located in Asia?

It seems like several people here have thrown out this exact same argument, yet nobody has actually bothered to explain the logic behind it.😕

Honestly, it feels like some of you don't even grasp what the EEC was all about...

One of the fundamental requirements for joining the European Union is being a European nation. Otherwise, the name itself becomes a complete absurdity...

P.S. Nobody has used the term EEC in decades.

Look, I know what the EEC is. I used that term on purpose, even if people think it's outdated. It’s more accurate than saying European Union. At its core, we're talking about an economic alliance. Or do you guys honestly believe the EU is going to turn into a true federation?😕

boldeagle said:To be in the European Union, you have to actually be in Europe. Otherwise, the name doesn't even make sense...

P.S. Nobody uses the term EEC anymore.

Honestly, when we're talking about Turkey gaining 100,000,000 new consumers over the next twenty years, it really doesn't matter if they're in Asia or on the European continent.

AllweEverWanted said:First you go through denial, then anger, then sadness, and finally acceptance... looks like you're still stuck in the denial phase.

I don't really do those "phases" thing 😎. Once I make up my mind, I stick to it, honey 😁