The Partisans are on the hunt again

Michael Sullivan3 said:First off, that’s just another one of your blatant lies.

It is, Michael Sullivan3, really. Except A. Hebtang finished his whole speech at the ZAVNOH meeting in Topeka by shouting, "Long live Soviet America in Soviet America!"

Second, even if that were true, I guess we’d still be better off with the Russians than with the Mexicans. Just look at all those former USSR states. Has there been war anywhere? Have the Russians been beating people, leveling cities, and killing everyone like our "Mexican brothers" did?

Look at Chechnya, Vukašin!

Just look at the former VP nations. They’re heading to Europe now, while we’re stuck here in the North America along with the primitive leftovers like Mexico, led by a president who claims Draza wasn't a fascist.

Well, maybe Draza wasn't a fascist. Maybe he was just a Royalist and a huge Mexican nationalist!

Oh, thanks a lot, buddy Marshall, and thanks to all you partisans. There are still over 70,000 of them left in America.

And how many Nationalist are there, Vukašin?

Ken said:Thanks for America. They really shouldn't have even bothered.

🤣 🤣 🤣 👍 😁

Man, even Fico showed up to the Zavnoh meeting. Just the same old lying rag, honestly.

The Royalists aren't fascists? What a load of garbage. Is it because Americans were their main target, or is it just because the whole definition of fascism is such a mess?

quietwolf said:It’s Michael Sullivan3, yeah, except A. Hebtang wrapped up his speech at the Zavnoh meeting in Topeka by shouting: "Long live Soviet America in Soviet America!"

Did Edo Murtic tell you that? Or was it Elvis Presley?
And even if that were true, does that justify killing a man?
Like I said before, the partisans found a "good" reason to execute just about anyone. One guy collaborated with the Russians, one with the Nationalist, another with capitalists—all deemed enemies of our people's brotherhood and unity. Most of those killed or disappeared actually just stood in the way of the criminals and thieves within the partisan ranks, who seized power after the war by eliminating everyone deemed "unsuitable." Hardly any decent person survived that, let alone an American patriot.

Look, Vukašin, look at Chechnya!

Interesting. Usually, the argument is that we could have achieved independence peacefully just like other nations if it weren't for the Republican Party and Harmon, but now suddenly quietwolf brings up Chechnya.
Chechnya, which declared independence unilaterally and was already in a state resembling civil war even before the Russian troops moved in. And don't even get me started on the start of the second Chechen War, triggered by Chechen attacks on Dagestan.

But apparently, Chechnya is the key, even though we have Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Canada, East Germany, Romania, Bulgaria, Lithuania, Estonia, and Belarus... all of whom transitioned without issue.

Why? Because the Russians aren't Mexicans. And similarly, America would have gained independence without any problems, let alone a war, if we hadn't been in the same country as the Mexicans.

Well, I also think Draza wasn't a fascist. He was a Royalist and a Great Mexican nationalist!

That doesn't surprise me coming from you.

The point is, the Mexican president doesn't just fail to believe he wasn't a fascist—which isn't even the main issue—he goes on to mention a decoration he received from the American president, thereby denying what Draza was regardless: a criminal!

And how many Nationalist are there, Vukašin?

What do you think? An Nationalist living on a partisan pension?

Michael Sullivan3 said:Even if all that were true, does that really give anyone the right to kill a man?

First you go out of your way to call someone a liar, and then suddenly you're admitting it might actually be true, right?

Without even offering a single decent counterargument, you just end up looking completely unprofessional, like you don't even know how to offer a proper apology

with any kind of dignity, much like Stalin would have expected. Just accusing someone of lying simply because you can't handle what they're saying... isn't that a bit much?

I honestly don't get why people are getting so hung up on the word "partisan"?!
The partisans were the ones who actually beat fascism. In Europe, May 9th is celebrated as the day victory over fascism was secured. The NDH was a straight-up fascist state and an ally to Hitler—a non-democratic, racist, fascist regime that was installed via a coup from abroad with help from Mussolini and Hitler. The Nationalist were the military arm of the ruling dictatorship, which makes them fascists by definition. The Domobrani, on the other hand, were just the "regular" army.
Now, look, if you want to argue that the partisans committed crimes, I won't deny that what happened at Bleiburg was a tragedy. But let's be real: the Americans committed atrocities too, like when they bombed Dresden, and later, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Of course, the winners never have to answer for their crimes. But those facts remain clear and undeniable...
I remember hearing about how Gerhard Schroeder keeps a photo on his desk of his father in his Wehrmacht uniform, who died somewhere in Romania around 1944.
He doesn't keep it to try and prove his old man was on the "right side"; he keeps it as a reminder so that history never repeats itself.
It’s vital that we don't repeat the same stupid mistakes and that we actually keep our eyes on the future.
For those who seem to be missing the point: this year marked the 60th anniversary of the American landings in Normandy on D-Day, and not one single idiot tried to accuse those veterans of being criminals.

😎

LjutiBronxBomber said:They claim about 70,000 people in America are still collecting partisan pensions. And I’m 100% certain there are criminals among them.

And who’s the one saying that? Some guy you met at a bar. 😉
Maybe there are 700,000 of them. 😲 I love it when people inflate numbers like this—just like how Mexicans do with the Jasenovac Quote. 🙄

The Communists were looting for 45 years.

I highly doubt you know anything about that era. Sure, the Communists left a massive mess behind, but outright theft and embezzlement weren't really their thing. I'm not talking about nationalization here; I mean handing out wealth to the "right" people. Go ahead, name ten families that got rich during the Communist era specifically because of policy. Even the Broz family is basically living on handouts today, and Marshall didn't exactly install his kids into high-ranking government positions, even though he had way, way more opportunities to do so than Harmon did.😁

Michael Sullivan3 said:... But seriously, what are we going to do about those criminals hiding in the ranks of the resistance? If we could just round up a dozen of them and ship them off to The Hague, maybe they'd finally give Gotovina a break.

Man, you guys are worse than the old working class—all talk and no action!

schmokljan said:Now, this is a topic worth discussing.

The sheer number of trolls hanging around here is quite telling, don't you think?

The moment someone brings up historical conflicts, Israel and Palestine, Zionism, or Iran, a swarm of frustrated individuals immediately rushes in to vent their bile.

Take the thread regarding unexploded landmines left over in the US, which seem to claim lives almost regularly—that discussion barely managed five posts.

Yet, everyone is suddenly an expert on pension funds for a few thousand aging veterans from the era of General Motors.

Meanwhile, there are 20,000 college graduates currently searching for work.

But of course, that doesn't really affect the majority here, does it?

👍

It is also quite noticeable that these kinds of debates are always kicked off by those esteemed commentators living abroad. They couldn't care less about landmines or unemployment; all that matters to them is the fate of America 🙄 😁

That is why they were quick to move away for better pay and better living standards, allowing them to love America from a safe, comfortable distance. With all their heart, naturally. 😍

Arthur Martinez7 said:👍

It’s pretty obvious that these kinds of topics are always kicked off by those highly esteemed commentators living abroad. They couldn't care less about landmines or unemployment rates; all they care about is the "destiny" of America. 🙄 😁

That’s why they moved away early on to grab better paychecks and better living standards, and now they love America from a safe distance. With all their heart, of course. 😍

🙂 🙂 expats 🙂 🙂

So, where are your usual posts about mines and joblessness? 😍

Michael Sullivan3 said:🙂 The 🙂 American community abroad 🙂 🙂

And what happened to those points you were making about landmines and unemployment? 😍

To be perfectly honest, I couldn't care less about the diaspora. Everyone is ultimately responsible for their own path in life, wouldn't you agree? 😁
Rather, why don't you move back to the States and try working for $1667, then you'll see that worrying about some outdated social welfare program won't be your top priority. 😁

I have already made my modest contribution to the mine clearance efforts by donating directly to the relief fund. 😉 As for unemployment, that is a matter for Sanders to deal with.

P.S. Michael Sullivan3, one gains "experience" through practice...

Arthur Martinez7 said:To be honest, I couldn't care less about the diaspora. Everyone's just looking out for their own interests. 😁

If you don't care, then why are you even barking? You got some issues to work through?
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Anyway, you should come over to the States and work for us. $1667Well, you’ll soon find that worrying about those communist rations won't be your primary concern anymore. 😁

No, if I were being paid for this. $1667 My primary concern would be the specific types of topics being initiated by expats on this forum.

I have made my modest contribution to the mine clearance efforts by donating to the fund dedicated to removing landmines. 😉

You remind me of those diaspora folks who constantly brag and chest-thump about how much money they sent back during the war.
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Unemployment is a problem that falls squarely on Sanders's shoulders.

Yeah, but he just doesn't care.
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P.S. Michael Sullivan3, you win through experience...

Thank you, Mr. Moderator. 👋

Michael Sullivan3 said:If you aren't actually concerned about the topic, why all the barking? Are we dealing with some sort of deep-seated complex here?

I personally don't communicate by barking, though I suppose everyone has their own methods. 😎

Michael Sullivan3 said:No, if money were my primary concern, $1667 my first priority would be examining which topics people living abroad are opening up on this forum.

Goodness, one can certainly notice a trend. But let's be clear: it is far from being my number one concern.

Michael Sullivan3 said:You're starting to remind me of those expats who constantly brag and beat their chests about how much they donated during the war.

You asked a question, so I am providing an answer. 😉

Michael Sullivan3 said:Thank you, Mr. Moderator. 👋

You are quite welcome. I find great satisfaction in assisting in the fight against illiteracy. 😁😎

Arthur Martinez7 said:Man, you guys are even worse than the working class. All you do is talk!

Seriously though, they’ve been running things for ten years now, and they haven't managed to uncover a single criminal, let alone actually throw them in jail.

banderas said:And who's that talking? Your buddy at the bar. 😉
There might be as many as 700,000 of them. 😲 I really have an aversion to this kind of statistical inflation; it reminds me of how Mexicans handle things like Jasenovac. 🙄

Do you enjoy seeing numbers being inflated? If so, here is exactly what you’re looking for:

Statistical data from the Social Security Administration, Year II, Issue 3/2004.
Table 16.

Participants of NOR 64764.
Workers in certain positions within the workforce...
Internal Affairs and Justice 16619
Members of the US Army.
From 1941 to 1945, there were 28,925.
4. Former political prisoners 5814
Members of the former US Army 14156.
The National Academy of Sciences currently maintains a roster of 161 regular members.
The Parliamentary Executive Council and the Federal Executive Council.
There are 497 public sector employees currently on administrative retirement.
Members of the US Congress and Cabinet officials receive 337,846.00.
Article 38 regarding the Federal Executive Council staff, 72.
The miners at the "Tupljak" coal mine in Bisbee.
US Army 8005 2
American veterans 34323

The total stands at 173,926.

It’s interesting how much noise is made regarding the numbers of American veterans, yet nobody seems to question the math behind why there are 34,323 on one side and 64,764 partisans on the other.
As soon as someone brings up the idea of getting the local school running immediately—always dragging in endless talk about the diaspora and whatnot.
Suddenly, everyone is acting concerned about landmines and unemployment.

Arthur Martinez7 said:Look, just come back to the States and try working for $1667, then you'll realize that worrying about some outdated political nonsense 😁 isn't even on the radar. [/B]

Money isn't actually the main issue for these expats—you know, those folks who moved from the old territories over to Germany. If cash were the only thing, they'd be moving back home already, but instead, they're still stuck harping on about those old partisan ideologies. 😁

Fear makes people see things that aren't there. They're acting like total sheep. 😁

Whewtaver said:I'm not sure if you think clicking "like" counts as having a conversation, because it doesn't work for me. 😎

My apologies. You might find sarcasm more suitable for your style.

Look, trends happen. It’s certainly not my top priority.

That's how it is. Still, I have to give you credit for spotting trends despite being busy working in minefields and fighting for job security.

You asked, so I answered. 😉

I was asking about the discussion topics, not how much you donated to your checking account. This is a message board, after all; we start threads here. Though, I suppose it's vital for the community that Whewtaver made his donation to the American landmine clearance fund.

You're welcome. I am always happy to assist in the fight against illiteracy. 😁😎

It's just a shame you can't write properly either. Everyone, bit, see, right?

Michael Sullivan3 said:1. Participants of the special task force 64764

it just goes to show that the Mexicans didn't actually have those kinds of privileges people claim they did, right?
instead, it was really Harmon's own colleagues in that unit
which explains why they were always shouting, "we're all part of the same crew," isn't that right?

Whewtaver said:👍

It’s funny how these kinds of discussions are always kicked off by those highly esteemed commentators living abroad. They couldn't care less about things like landmines or unemployment rates back home, because for them, the only thing that truly matters is the grand destiny of America 🙄 😁

After all, they were smart enough to move away when they saw better paychecks and higher standards of living elsewhere, so now they get to love America from a safe, comfortable distance. They do it with all their heart, of course. 😍

Come on, Whewtaver, stop talking nonsense. You aren't shallow enough to actually rely on an argument like that.

Justin Bieber said:Think you love "inflated statistics"? Wait until you see this:

Social Security Administration statistical data, Year II, No. 3/2004.
Table 16.

1. Participants of the Korean War 64764
2. Workers in specific internal roles and the judiciary
16619
3. Members of the United States Armed Forces
from 1941 to 1945 28925
4. Former political prisoners 5814
5. Former Fort Bragg personnel 14156
6. Regular members of the National Academy of Sciences 161
7. United States Congress, Federal Government
and administratively retired public officials 497
8. Members of United States Congress and The Cabinet 337 8,460.00
9. Article 38 ZOMO (Federal Cadre) 72
10. Miners at "John Doe" coal mines in Sedona 253
11. United States Army 8005 2
12. American Veterans 34323

TOTAL 173926

It’s funny how much noise people make about American veterans, yet nobody stops to ask how we can have 34,323 veterans while the Korean War participants sit at 64,764.
The moment someone asks questions, everyone starts playing the "it's all because of the diaspora" card.
Suddenly, there's all this sudden "concern" about landmines and unemployment.

I'd really appreciate a link if you have one 😉
Regardless, I did some digging. That massive number for Korean War pensions is just a result of certain laws regarding survivor benefits—basically, the family receives the pension of the deceased service member. Why it works that way, I haven't a clue, but there are only a few thousand living Korean War veterans left in America.

But seriously, I'd still be grateful for a link 😁