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Is moderation actually a sign of wisdom?

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Participants Noah Myers8Alexander Parker69Jack Harris3hollowviper72Ryan Wilson2Alexander WatsonPaul Campbell3frozenangler9velvetpilot212John Walker74Jose ReyesRebecca Cox2nimblecobra79Alexander HallPaul Phillips4Ryan Ruizfadedpanther29Aboldsailor32
velvetpilot212 velvetpilot212 Active Member
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#101 ·
Mr. Pes said:I guess we aren't changing, either. Maybe we just don't. 😁
Can I just sketch out my own version? 😁
You know that kitchen mixer you have sitting on the counter? The one that usually comes with three different speed settings? Let’s say we consider the third setting—the fastest one—as the peak level of intensity. If you just flip the switch to turn it on, the mixer stays exactly where it started. It doesn't just jump to top speed. I mean, technically, it was always capable of hitting that third gear from the very beginning, but only if you actually took the step to slide that switch all the way to the number three.
I guess the mixer could really use a third speed setting, and honestly, I’d love to have it. But there's just no way to force that switch into position, no matter how much I try to figure out a workaround. It's frustrating. 😁
If you’ve ever spent any real time baking, you probably already know that you don't just throw everything into the mixer at once. I mean, if you do, the whole thing usually just flies everywhere. It’s a mess. Usually, you start slow with a lower speed to get things incorporated, and then maybe—just maybe—you ramp it up depending on how the dough feels and what kind of ingredients you're working with. It's more about reading the texture than just following a timer.
But let’s be honest—none of that actually matters. At the end of the day, the mixer isn't what decides anything. 😁

Well said.
Jack Harris3 Jack Harris3 Regular
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#102 ·
Gaudrath said:Confucius argued that Balance is the root and Harmony is the consequence. You’re saying the exact same thing, yet you're claiming Confucius got it wrong... 😉

To him, Balance is basically having those feelings tucked away in storage, just sitting there without actually doing anything.
Harmony is when they actually kick in, but in a synchronized way, right?
We all have that Confucian mix of logic plus emotional potential, so what's there to debate? It's the actual action part that's interesting... 🙂
Besides, it's easy for your mind to stay balanced when nothing is shaking things up. It's easy to be rational if your emotions aren't messing with you, but once they start hitting hard, then we'll see how smart you really are. 😁
Anyway, I wouldn't say harmony is just a consequence of the root... it's more like the canopy of a tree, and I think Confucius skips over the trunk entirely. That whole middle part between starting to act and actually reaching harmony... 😁
If we want to get technical, everything is technically a "consequence" of the root because it grows from it, sure, but the leaves don't just instantly attach themselves to the roots. There's a process in between... 😉
Temperance is simply who you are, not something you struggle to become.

Well, if you define temperance as being "exactly what is needed," neither too much nor too little, then I guess everyone is temperate. 😁
Not every book in this world was written in vain.

Of course not. Honestly, the last book I picked up served a very specific purpose...
It made my Amtrak ride go by a lot faster. 😁
The greatest truths can be expressed in many ways; the best way to perceive them is to look from many directions.
That's why I read other people's thoughts on things I already know—because I want to see that truth through their eyes.

Give it a shot sometime.

Personally, I find it more interesting to try something completely different. To wander around the idea of "truth" and view it from all sorts of angles myself... 😁
But I do agree with what you just wrote above: that everyone is right in their own way. 😁
fadedpanther29 fadedpanther29 Member
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#103 ·
Mr. Pes said:You know how those hand mixers work? They usually have three different speed settings... Let’s say the third setting is the highest one. Even if you turn it on, the mixer doesn't just magically jump to that top speed; it stays right where it started. It was always capable of hitting that third gear, but you actually have to physically slide the switch over to the number 3 first.
The mixer might really want to hit that high speed, and it might even wish it could, but it isn't going to flip its own switch no matter how much it tries to find a way to make it happen. 😁
Plus, if you've ever spent any time baking, you probably know that you rarely just crank it straight to the highest setting because you don't want flour flying all over your kitchen counters, so you usually start slow and gradually ramp it up depending on what you're mixing and what ingredients you're working with.
But none of that matters to the mixer itself. 😁

pesa, 👍

(did you ever track down that book?)

🙂
Jack Harris3 Jack Harris3 Regular
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#104 ·
I haven't even made it downtown since I got back from vacation. Maybe I'll head out there tomorrow... Anyway, the data is all ready to go. 😁
I've got my card right here in my pocket like Jack, so I'll probably just grab everything and head out... 😂
Paul Phillips4 Paul Phillips4 Member
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#105 ·
Mr. Pes said:We aren't changing, either. 😁
But he can't just flip the switch himself, no matter how hard he tries to figure out how to do it. 😁
And none of that is actually up to the mixer. 😁


That’s a really nice analogy you've got there, but honestly? What was said above is just completely wrong—actually, it's the exact opposite.

Sure, the mixer looks the same on the outside, but it has TOTALLY changed. Now, it can only PRETEND to be what it used to be.

He CAN flip the switch, he just doesn't know how... and the mixer is the one making the DECISIONS, not anyone else.
Jack Harris3 Jack Harris3 Regular
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#106 ·
Not a single one of them. 😁

Go ahead though, give it a shot. Just flip your switch over to level 3.
If you've actually made up your mind, what’s really stopping you from seeing the light right this second? 😁

I also figure you probably understand a lot more today than you did, say, ten years ago.
Did someone step in and dump some extra "wisdom" into your head along the way? Or was it just the same old stuff, and you just started connecting the dots faster and faster as you went? 😁
Paul Phillips4 Paul Phillips4 Member
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#107 ·
Paul Phillips4 said:Sure, he could flip the switch if he actually knew where it was located.
Paul Phillips4 Paul Phillips4 Member
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#108 ·
Mr. Pes said:Not a single one will work. 😁

But hey, why not give it a shot? Just flip your switch over to level 3.
I mean, if you actually made up your mind, what’s really stopping you from seeing the light right this second? 😁

Making a choice doesn't automatically grant you wisdom or insight—it just stops ignorance from blocking the fact that it's even possible.
Jack Harris3 Jack Harris3 Regular
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#109 ·
So, you’re just going to make the call... even though you don't actually have a clue what's going on? 😁

I mean, I've heard plenty about blank checks, but I've never exactly heard of someone handing out blank decisions like that... 😂
Paul Phillips4 Paul Phillips4 Member
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#110 ·
Jack Harris3 said:So, you're basically making the call without even knowing what the hell we're deciding? 😁

I've heard plenty about blank checks, but I don't think I've ever heard of someone handing out "blank decisions." 😂

Look, yeah—I (or maybe you) am making the decision. But I never actually said I *don't* have to know what's going on. There's a massive difference between being given the authority to decide and actually having all the facts in front of me.
velvetpilot212 velvetpilot212 Active Member
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#111 ·
God help me, I can't deal with this suspicious nonsense
Paul Phillips4 Paul Phillips4 Member
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#112 ·
You brought up that mixer example, but honestly, just because we all get the basic mechanics of how something works doesn't mean we actually know how to pull the trigger on it. Knowing the theory is one thing, but without the actual application, it’s pretty much useless.
Jack Harris3 Jack Harris3 Regular
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#113 ·
Aha. So, you’re saying you have to actually find the switch and figure out how it works before you can even decide whether to flip it?

Well, my gut feeling tells me you’ll never quite get there... 😁

Because it isn't really up to you to make that call, so knowing where the switch is or how it toggles doesn't even matter. 😂

Second thought:

Using that mixer analogy... you—well, anyone, really—are the mixer itself. That's why you don't truly understand how you function or how you're supposed to be used. 😁
But hey, that's just my theory... 😂
Feel free to think whatever you want about it. 🙂
Paul Phillips4 Paul Phillips4 Member
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#114 ·
Jack Harris3 said:Oh, I see. So you're saying you have to actually find the switch and figure out how it works before you can even decide if you want to flip it?

Well, my gut feeling tells me you're probably never going to figure that part out. 😁

Besides, it's not like you're the one calling the shots here anyway, so why bother worrying about where the switch is or how it moves? 😂


Actually, you've got it backward. That's exactly why I'm right.

Honestly, you're just making a fool of yourself at this point.
Paul Phillips4 Paul Phillips4 Member
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#115 ·
Jack Harris3 said:Using that mixer analogy... you're the one holding the mixer, so how are you supposed to actually understand how the thing works or how it's even meant to be used? 😁

I mean, honestly, it’s pretty obvious who the mixer is here.
Jack Harris3 Jack Harris3 Regular
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#116 ·
Paul Phillips4 said:You're just making fun of me for no reason.

Oh, really? 😁
Go ahead then, keep mocking me. Since you’re clearly the one who knows everything and makes all the calls (and if you don't happen to know something right now, you'll just decide when you finally do...), you obviously have even more right to laugh at someone like me... just rambling on about nonsense... 😁
Paul Phillips4 Paul Phillips4 Member
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#117 ·
Mr. Pes said:Are you serious? 😁
Go ahead and mock me then. Since you’re clearly the one who calls all the shots and knows everything (and if you don't happen to know right this second, well, you'll just decide when it becomes necessary), you surely have even more right to laugh at someone like me who’s just talking nonsense. 😁

Look, I never claimed to be an expert on everything, I just said my take was different from yours. And honestly, I don't feel the need to mock anyone—I don't mind if you want to do it, but I'm just stating a fact.
Paul Phillips4 Paul Phillips4 Member
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#118 ·
Paul Phillips4 said:The decision itself doesn't come with any actual knowledge or insight; if anything, it just masks the fact that you don't realize what's even possible.

Mr. Pes said:So, you're making a choice without actually knowing what you're choosing or even what it's about? 😁

I’ve heard of blank checks, but I’ve never heard of "blank decisions." 😂

Look, you can decide right now that you're going to learn Mandarin.

Just because you made that call doesn't mean you suddenly speak the language.

You could have made that exact same decision a few months ago.

And again, making the choice doesn't mean you've actually learned it.

Even if you know the basic structure of how Mandarin works, it doesn't help you if you can't actually speak or understand it—it's useless if you can't communicate.

Basically, the decision alone doesn't grant you knowledge. A decision needs follow-through... in this case, learning and practice, which eventually leads to actual understanding and insight.
Paul Phillips4 Paul Phillips4 Member
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#119 ·
Paul Phillips4 said:Sure, you used that mixer example, but just because we all get the basic mechanics of how something works doesn't mean we actually know how to operate it. Knowing the theory alone doesn't really get you anywhere.

Paul Phillips4 said:Knowing the components of Mandarin Chinese isn't the same thing as being able to speak it or understand it. At the end of the day, that knowledge isn't much help if you can't actually communicate in the language.
Paul Phillips4 Paul Phillips4 Member
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#120 ·
Mr. Pes said:I'm also assuming you probably have a much clearer picture of things today than you did, say, ten years ago.

I mean, it goes without saying that nobody's knowledge base stays exactly the same as it was a decade back.

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