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Anyone following the hostage situation in Russia?

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Participants briskhound33stormylynx14Ashley Rogers4Jason Wells4Joshua Foster5Michael Barnes2Tyler Lopez14Dana Miller6Nicole Morales3Jamie Clark74swiftmarlin92Drew Sullivan79Steven RuizJamie Anderson82frozenbison42Sam Lopez
Jamie Clark74 Jamie Clark74 Regular
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#21 ·
The entire world is reeling from what just happened!

Sixty-two hours went by without these kids eating a single thing, let alone getting a sip of water... and there wasn't much else they could do. Just imagine being held by people who clearly don't value a single human life. I honestly wonder how someone like that even becomes a person, or what kind of excuse could ever justify such a "terrorist act."
Around 1,200 people were caught up in this... mostly children, along with teachers and parents.
They were subjected to violence by nothing less than animals—that's the only word for these terrorists.

Things aren't fully cleared up yet, but according to the latest reports, 322 are dead... including 155 children. There are 500 injured in hospitals, and 92 are in critical condition.

Ten special Russian forces members were killed, while 18 were wounded.
Twenty-seven terrorists died, ten of whom were of "Arab origin."

We all know how quickly things can spiral out of control.

Back in 1995, Chechen terrorists seized a hospital in Budyonnovsk... 2,000 people were held for six days, and it was finally resolved after 100 deaths.

Now, as always, experts are coming out to claim that the Russian way of handling it wasn't planned well or wasn't good enough.
I have to ask, what would they have done? You've got a hall packed with 1,200 children and adults,
and the terrorists were actually mocking the parents when they begged for water for the kids...
with bombs hanging everywhere in the hall. It’s easy to talk, but much harder to actually free those hostages... especially when the "terrorists were shooting at them"... and when things got intense, they started shooting at the children. Whoever they represent, and everyone who supports them, must truly be proud of this.

Why do some people refuse to remember that all terrorists are the same? It's sad, but it's the truth.

It doesn't matter if it's Israel, Russia, the USA, or Bali... anywhere in the world, we just aren't safe from terrorists anymore.

I'm not defending any of these countries, and they probably made mistakes too... but terrorism has become a "source of pride for Islam." It's gone so far that even Islamic leaders have to apologize and say it has spiraled out of their control... it's gone too far.

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Jamie Anderson82 Jamie Anderson82 Member
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#22 ·
Steven Ruiz said:Well, everyone who was part of the Russian Federation speaks Russian... even in places like Estonia and Latvia.

Steven Ruiz, just correcting a wrong statement here:😁

In the Baltic states that used to be part of the federation, only a minority of the population speaks Russian; everyone else speaks languages much closer to Finnish or Swedish...

Anyway—I hate these kinds of topics.😁 😁 😎
Steven Ruiz Steven Ruiz Active Member
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#23 ·
I honestly didn't think they actually spoke Russian as their mother tongue, I just assumed they were incredibly fluent, which would definitely make it a direct quote...
Back in the communist era, Russian was the official language throughout the entire Russian Federation, so practically everyone spoke it with total ease...
Jamie Anderson82 Jamie Anderson82 Member
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#24 ·
Steven Ruiz said:So, everyone was telling him he spoke technically.

That's like saying Canadians speak technical English or Spanish.😁 😁 😎
Steven Ruiz Steven Ruiz Active Member
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#25 ·
Actually, that’s not quite right... back in America, neither American nor Mexican was actually the sole official language.
In Russia, however, Russian was the official language, and everyone learned it and spoke it fluently...
I have some friends living in Estonia, and they all speak Russian just like Russians do...
Jamie Anderson82 Jamie Anderson82 Member
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#26 ·
You're nowhere near winning this one 😁 😁 😎

I'm done. I officially give up. 😁 😁
Steven Ruiz Steven Ruiz Active Member
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#27 ·
Nah, I’ve never been on their side of the fence, they're just plain wrong, honestly...
Jamie Anderson82 Jamie Anderson82 Member
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#28 ·
Steven Ruiz said:they're all wrong, honestly.

Who? Russia?

Nobody’s actually at fault here... give it a week and everyone will act like this never even happened. 😁 😁
Steven Ruiz Steven Ruiz Active Member
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#29 ·
Excuse me... I really should have typed this out sooner, but you've got it all wrong!
And that goes straight to you.
Yeah, you specifically. 😉 😁
Jamie Anderson82 Jamie Anderson82 Member
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#30 ·
Steven Ruiz said:Right back at you.
Yeah, right back at you. 😉 😁

ah 😍

I’m not the bad guy here! 😠

😁 😁 😎

Look, seriously, hardly anyone there speaks Russian anymore. Some people just purged it from their brains, while others did it out of pure spite. You won't even hear a trace of it. It reminds me of those "erased" communities back in my hometown in 😍 Ohio.
Steven Ruiz Steven Ruiz Active Member
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#31 ·
Aha... you might think they just don't talk about him at all.
Look, it’s not like they aren't mentioning him behind closed doors anymore, but they definitely bring him up whenever it's necessary... like when they need to coordinate with the prosecutors or something similar... depending on the situation...
Jamie Anderson82 Jamie Anderson82 Member
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#32 ·
Steven Ruiz said:like they're negotiating with lawyers or whatever

Dammit, Steven, we’re talking about Estonia, Lithuania, and Latvia here.

In those places, if there's a hostage situation, they don't roll tanks down the street or call in the National Guard—they send in SWAT. And you don't have some local thugs barricading themselves in a building demanding the President kiss their ass.

They don't speak Russian over there either. 😁 😁 😎
Steven Ruiz Steven Ruiz Active Member
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#33 ·
Look, I think there’s a bit of a misunderstanding here because someone mentioned in this thread that the terrorists were speaking Russian, and you're questioning how on earth Chechens could be speaking Russian at all...
I was simply breaking down the logic of how that works, so I'm honestly not quite sure what you're getting at with your critique...
By the way, yeah, in places like Estonia and so on... they don't speak Russian as their primary language, but they certainly CAN if the situation calls for it...
It’s just like how I don't go around speaking English every single day here in the States, but if I actually NEED to, I can definitely do it...
So, really, claiming that those statements about them "speaking Russian" are silly doesn't make much sense, especially since Russian used to be the official language of communication back then...
You might only be able to make that argument once newer generations of Chechens, Latvians, or Estonians grow up without ever having Russian included in their school curriculum...
Amen.
Jamie Anderson82 Jamie Anderson82 Member
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#34 ·
Steven Ruiz said:Amen

Sorry, I only actually read what you posted in this thread😁 😁 😎
swiftmarlin92 swiftmarlin92 Newcomer
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#35 ·
One woman, who was actually released from captivity, mentioned that the terrorists were speaking Russian, though they had this distinct Chechen accent.
Jamie Anderson82 Jamie Anderson82 Member
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#36 ·
swiftmarlin92 said:Speaking Russian with a Chechen accent.

See, Steven Ruiz, I told you so. 😁 😁 😎
Steven Ruiz Steven Ruiz Active Member
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#37 ·
Are you kidding me? I was just asking if they were Chechen...
Jamie Anderson82 Jamie Anderson82 Member
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#38 ·
Steven Ruiz said:Are you kidding me? All I said was they were Chechens.

Don't try to back out now, seriously... just give it to me. 😁 😁 😎

🙂
Dana Miller6 Dana Miller6 Newcomer
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#39 ·
It’s perfectly fine when we’re talking about Russians, but the moment you say something similar about Americans, suddenly everyone is shouting "we need to crush them," honestly...

Of course. The Russian military just went wild on their own people. Americans don't go hunting their own kind (us).
Steven Ruiz is getting all worked up here, falling for those "official narratives" like:
The operation wasn't premeditated; they were actually in the middle of negotiations. It only turned violent because the terrorists set off bombs while the negotiators were carrying the bodies out...

Good grief, you really are young and naive...
Dana Miller6 Dana Miller6 Newcomer
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#40 ·
ladybug said:... that was nothing more than a pretext to launch the operation, since they knew there would be heavy casualties, and rather than admit their intervention was poorly handled, they simply resorted to brute force...

Exactly.

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