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Spiritual Teacher?!

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Karen Sanchez19 Karen Sanchez19 Regular
483 messages
joined Dec 2003
#221 ·
The mechanic will keep claiming he has "different feelings" about the job for as long as you’re still sitting there making "assumptions," Karen Sanchez19.

Is it unreasonable to demand an answer?🙂

Here’s a failing grade for being unreasonable🙂 😎

Grissly:

Heh, I’m not Grissly, I’m grizli...

Grissly sounds like something you'd eat for breakfast🙂 🙂 🙄 😁
Jose Reyes Jose Reyes Active Member
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joined Aug 2004
#222 ·
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The Master "possesses" all sorts of "feelings" only as long as you are still stuck in the realm of "assumption," Karen Sanchez19.
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Let me offer you an even more irrational thought, Karen Sanchez19:

You claim to "assume" that a Master shouldn't "have" specific "emotions."
That very "assumption" is nothing more than a glaring sign of your "ignorance" regarding the true nature and essence of an enlightened being.
If you actually understood that nature and essence, Karen Sanchez19, you wouldn't be making any "assumptions" at all.

As it stands, as long as you remain ignorant of this truth, the Master could be standing on his head for all you care, but you will continue to perceive manifestations of the "dualistic world" in everything he does or says—whether those are positive or negative emotions, intentions, or thoughts.
They are merely projections of your own "material consciousness."
It is quite simple: you are sitting in a movie theater, projecting whatever is inside your own head onto the Master.
Or onto ANYONE ELSE for that matter, Karen Sanchez19.
Think about that.

It is YOU who provides the Master with a "colored" interpretation of reality, Karen Sanchez19.
And that is precisely why the Master tells you exactly what he tells you.😕 🙄 😉
Karen Sanchez19 Karen Sanchez19 Regular
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#223 ·
You "ASSUME," you say, that a Master shouldn't "possess" certain "emotions."
That "ASSUMPTION" is a clear sign of "IGNORANCE" regarding the nature and essence of an ENLIGHTENED being.
If you actually understood that nature and essence, Karen Sanchez19, you wouldn't be making any "assumptions" at all.

And how am I supposed to know your true nature when I've never met you in person? Post a photo online... you can tell a lot about a person from a picture.

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No... obviously they have to have some emotions. It's not like being enlightened turns you into a damn robot.🙂 🙄

Heh... but emotions themselves are relative, emerging from this dualistic world....

What use is emotion in an unchanging state?..

But as long as you're still walking around in a physical body... you've got to have feelings...

YOU are the one providing the Master with a "colored" perception of what truly Is, Karen Sanchez19.
That is why the Master tells you exactly what he tells you.

Okay, I think I finally get what you're driving at now....
It sounded nonsensical at first, but it makes sense now..

But it's the material world that actually invents things and imagines it is thinking... so that thesis applies not just to talking to you, but to any conversation with anyone... to any object or thing...

So every thought—whether from someone awakened or unawakened—is actually non-dual in its own right....

Yeah, hmm..

Exactly.
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Isn't material consciousness just an "internal" fabrication... yet all things, all talk, and all words spoken by people are inherently exactly what they are, and exactly what they must be...😁

An internal fabrication limited only to the individual in their state of imagined separation... and that state is so deeply "entrenched" that it's impossible to escape it, because even the one who seems to be escaping is merely a subject within that very state...

With the enlightened, there is no imagined state, nor is there a subject to that state (the self)... no single "owner" of a self...
Ugh, my phrasing is clumsy. But I hope you catch my drift.
Jose Reyes Jose Reyes Active Member
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joined Aug 2004
#224 ·
You've made some valid points, but I have to wonder—did you actually grasp the deeper implications of what you just said?🙂 🙄 😕
Karen Sanchez19 Karen Sanchez19 Regular
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#225 ·
You hit the nail on the head, but did you actually grasp the core of it?

If you truly understood my point... then my realization is essentially the inverse effect. It’s redundant. You don't need to deliberate over what I said... it just strikes you instinctively.🙄 🙄

Tell me then—how is it even possible for an unawakened being like myself to possess an "intuitive inkling😁" regarding this "world" versus the other side...

Perhaps it's nothing more than some sort of "self-sustaining concept."

A self-sustaining concept🙂 🙂 🙂

I'm practically talking to my own reflection in the mirror at this point.🙂
Jack Harris3 Jack Harris3 Regular
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joined Dec 2002
#226 ·
Karen Sanchez19 said:Seriously, help me out here... how is it even possible that someone as totally unawakened as I am can have this "intuitive gut feeling😁" about "that other world" compared to this one.....

It’s almost like you end up acting as a sort of medium, where the spirit ends up doing all the teaching to the master. 😁
The spirit knows everything, obviously, but I guess it still has to go through the motions of grading the curriculum... hehe... 😁
Jamie Peterson Jamie Peterson Member
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joined Sep 2004
#227 ·
Who exactly is the teacher to us, and how do we actually track them down? Think of it this way—a teacher shows you the path and points out the right direction by their own example, but they aren't meant to be some kind of crutch or a coat hanger for our egos. They don't want followers; they want students to find their own footing, to discover their own grit and inner strength. The way someone teaches can vary wildly—sometimes it’s a gentle nudge, other times it’s a blunt, jarring wake-up call regarding our own illusions. And honestly, you don't even have to know who your teacher is, or even realize that a specific person is acting as one. In the physical world, a teacher might not show up in their full, overwhelming glory, but rather through a specific facet of their being that we recognize during a pivotal moment—someone who fundamentally shifts our perspective and shakes up our entire worldview. Some people embody certain traits of the internal teacher more than others, navigating life in different ways because of it. Someone living that fully will live exactly what they teach, so the idea of grinding away at a standard 9-to-5 job might feel like a massive drain on energy and a distraction from their true calling. But, hey, people need to eat, so students often give what they can to support them. That’s why I think those who criticize money in spiritual circles are missing the point. The problem isn't the money itself; it's the transactional nature of it—when everything is strictly tied to a price tag or a "service rendered." Ultimately, it’s up to the student to decide what matters most: investing in an illusion or choosing the freedom the teacher is trying to facilitate. A physical teacher is also there because, let's face it, most of us hear a lot of noise we mistake for an "inner voice"—whether it's just the echo of our ego or various mental constructs—and the teacher helps ensure that the person we are on the inside eventually matches the person we present to the outside world.
That inner voice is primarily the voice of conscience, which usually gets validated by what's happening in the world around us. This voice shouldn't clash with the people in our lives, because true freedom means we aren't stepping on anyone else's toes. There's a lot of chatter inside us, but that inner voice needs to be the voice of the true Self—the actual human being—not just a repetitive loop of passing thoughts, cravings, or wishful thinking. It’s really that deep voice, the voice of Silence we tap into during real meditation, which, in prayer, evolves into a wordless connection—just a pure exchange of states with the Person who provides them.
For a teacher to actually instruct, they have to step down into the world. Even though they exist beyond it, they "sacrifice" that state to move from being part of the All to becoming something distinct, allowing them to empathize with a student. For the teacher, bliss remains a "memory," since the student hasn't truly experienced it yet. So, the teacher "descends," knowing the way back, and guides the student along. And honestly, the journey itself has its own magic, much like the Destination. The teacher experiences bliss through teaching, while the student finds it through learning. Together, they form a closed loop of bliss—where the student's peace becomes the teacher's, and the teacher learns anew through the student. Otherwise, how could they possibly teach? They have to share in the student's struggles, and in that easing of the student's burden, we find the meaning behind terms like "karmic transfer." A student recognizes this in a teacher's eyes or their general approach, and as they say, love heals all, so the student receives that love. It’s almost like projecting our own "sins" onto the teacher. This is why the role of Jesus is so central—as the savior, the lamb who carries the sins of the world. If we find refuge in God, the source of both our joy and our pain, then we find a Friend, because "my yoke is easy and my burden is light." We find that same God, savior, and teacher in an earthly guide who will cry with us, laugh with us, scold us when we mess up, and praise us when we get it right. That’s what teaching is about—it's not about cramming your head with data. But once that weight is lifted, the student still has to make the call: do I keep going? That's a solo decision, and the teacher can't—and shouldn't—interfere. The teacher hands you the book, but you’re the one who turns the pages when you’re ready.
Real learning doesn't happen on an intellectual level; it happens through a commitment of the will. You aren't collecting facts; you're expanding your consciousness. Because of that, you don't even necessarily need to know who your teacher is. Just like an initiation feels fake if you're just going through the motions, learning feels hollow if you're just mimicking it. Learning is a touch between two consciousnesses—one that is developed and one that is growing. Sometimes, you meet someone and it feels like you've known them forever, like you've crossed paths before, only to pass each other by. Meeting a higher consciousness is a bit like a semi-truck roaring past you on the highway, leaving a whirlwind in its wake. You don't quite understand why or how, but you're swept up in that force. Sometimes, a single encounter is enough. And this meeting doesn't have to be physical; it can happen on much subtler levels. When a teacher manifests in the visible world, they are often the first person in whom we recognize our true selves—not the projected version, but the real deal. Once you truly recognize one person, you quickly start seeing everyone else. The teacher often appears near the end of the journey, which is arguably the hardest part. By trying to imitate the process, many seekers hunt for "magic" mantras, techniques, or recipes to follow. But that’s not what learning is. There are no hacks, no manuals; it all happens through contact or a transmission of grace. Techniques aren't learned; they are uncovered and recognized. The teacher is a divine being; they inspire, nudge, awaken, and lift our potential, but they don't offer up their own essence for us to cling to. Learning isn't about creating dependency; it's about healing. As long as we're asleep, we don't know who is waking us up, but when we finally open our eyes, the first person we see is the teacher.
While we’re still stuck in the middle of sleep, it’s really vital to actually realize that we're dreaming. It makes the whole waking up process—both literal and metaphorical—way smoother and, honestly, a bit more fun. Knowing you're asleep is such a practical tool; it helps you shake off those nasty nightmares, find your own footing, and finally grasp that we’re the ones pulling the strings behind our own dreams. So, everything we do out here in the real world should be aimed at that same goal—finding that sense of independence, true freedom, and just being completely unattached.
Roger Hall15 Roger Hall15 Active Member
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joined Jul 2003
#228 ·
There’s actually an active thread about teachers sitting right there on the front page—you might have missed it scrolling by—so I figured I’d just merge this in.
This whole piece is a fantastic addition to that discussion.

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