Equality vs. Entitlement: Is there a difference?

Calling all amateur philosophers out there! Let's see what you've got. Is it actually the same thing?

Had a little chat with some folks recently... now I'm hunting for a definition.

Take "gender equality," for example. Is "having rights" truly synonymous with "equality"? Based on my take on language and logic—it's definitely not!

To clarify: do women have all their legal rights? They do!

But when activists and certain interest groups use the term "equality"—through all their constant bickering and political maneuvering—it feels like they aren't talking about *that* kind of equality at all.

So, what are they actually after?

Are they actually seeking some form of superiority under the guise of "equality"?

Hmm... I think I just gave you all a bit of a headache, didn't I?

Or look at it this way: in a typical animal farm, everyone is technically "equal," but... some are more equal than others !?😲

Nowadays, certain movements are even threatening the biological survival of men... so what kind of "equality" is this that hasn't yet translated into actual SUPERIORITY over men? Where is the flaw?

Is it in linguistics, the law, or... just a lack of common sense?

Thanks.🙂

I.L. said:Nowadays, women are actually threatening the very biological survival of men.

Thanks🙂

😲 😲 😕 😕 back this up with some actual facts.

Equality means everyone has an equal shot at something—meaning X and Y both have the same right to apply for a job, but the most qualified person is the one who actually gets it.

I. l said:Women are actually threatening the biological survival of men at this point. So much for "equality" when they're still just chasing total dominance over us. Where did we go wrong?

😕

Maybe, but specifically in the Netherlands.
Elsewhere in the world, it’s a different story. 🙄

Once men start bleeding every month, then maybe their rights will vanish. 😁 That’s not happening anytime soon.

Solaris said:😲 😲 😕 😕 explain this using actual facts.

Equality means having an equal right to something—like X and Y both having a shot at a job, but the most qualified person gets it.

But who defines "qualified"?

Is it based on actual biological reality, or just whoever’s been brainwashed by those eco-warrior fairy tales?

That's the real question.

Are X and Y actually on "equal footing"? Where's the proof?

Or is this all just made up out of thin air?

Is a car equal to its driver?

And is some other pseudo-scientist equal to... well, screw it.😁 😛

Orion said:😕

Maybe, but specifically in the Netherlands.
Elsewhere in the world? Unlikely... 🙄

If men started bleeding every month, all their rights would go down the drain. 😁 And let's face it—that’s never going to happen!

The whole "bleeding" thing is just a gimmick!

Look at this... I was clearly uninformed... didn't realize "bleeding" was also a toll fee! Here's to fake equality!😢 👎

Still waiting on an answer: Are "having rights" and "equality" actually the same thing in today's terms... YES OR NO?

Case closed!

*Clap...*😳

Because Lebowski is the moderator, we’re all technically ranked above him 😛 🙂.

Superiority? If a woman has the exact same career opportunities as a man, isn't that just equality? Or is she asking for too much by stepping outside her supposed "biological role"?🙄

Here it is... a topic to study, ponder... and connect the dots!

Give me your answers. "Responsibly," of course...😳

http://www.teme.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3436

Honestly, I couldn't care less about who's more capable; let X and Y compete if they want to.
If you’re racing a tractor against a Ferrari, obviously the Ferrari is going to win. There's nothing wrong with that.
But everyone deserves to line up at the exact same starting line.
That’s what true equality looks like.

So, Matthew Doyle73 is just running all over the place now??

What’s going on, Matthew Doyle73... are you putting out fires, or what...??😁

Just be careful not to burn out, man!😛 🙂

Just checking in on the forum, as per usual 😳

And you, I see, aren't actually answering people's questions, which seems to be your standard routine 😛

You’ve really thrown a curveball at me with that one!

It depends on your perspective!
Just because you have the right doesn't mean you should use it,
but equality certainly ensures you can!

Yeah, he’s actually complained to me a few times now, saying "nobody gets what I'm talking about."🙄

Sirocek!

Do women have rights? Sure, I agree with that.
But are they actually treated as equals? Not even close, mostly because there’s a massive majority out there that finds the whole idea of equality deeply unsettling.
They see this push for parity as some sort of existential threat to themselves and their social circles, spinning all sorts of conspiracy theories to justify it...
It's all just a desperate way to mask their own deep-seated traumas and insecurities, and the ugly truth is that they are absolutely terrified of women!

Solaris said:I couldn't care less about who is more capable. Let X and Y compete.

It is vital, Solaris: truly vital.
Your premise is flawed from the very start.

Capable, perhaps... but compared to what?

If men and women possess equal capabilities, then what was the purpose behind their creation by God? He created both man and woman for a reason. Is it simply to perform the exact same tasks?

If we look strictly at the physical aspects, where exactly do the differences lie? Heh, hey...

Everyone deserves to stand at the exact same starting line.
That is what we call formal equality.

Perhaps we should just stop calling it "equality" and start calling it "sameness."

And what exactly have we gained?

That which does not apply. 😛

Gentlemen,

The issue isn't about women (that debate belongs over on the Religion board), but rather: what is the distinction between "equality" and "having rights"?

If you don't grasp the core concept... then, my apologies...

It seems I've been asking people who just don't know.

What a shame... you all seemed so "brilliant"!😁 😛

So, it looks like we have no actual philosophers here on the philosophy subforum!

Wonderful!🙂

Sam Wood4 said:It’s really important to Solaris!
But your premise is flawed from the very start.

Capable, sure... but compared to what?

If men and women are equally capable, then what was the purpose behind why God created them both? To simply perform the same jobs?

If we look at this strictly from a physical standpoint, where exactly do the differences lie? Heh, hey there...

Maybe we should just call "equality" "sameness" instead?

And what exactly did we get out of this?

That which simply doesn't apply. 😛

They don't quite get it!

They were "raised" by those who claim their father was a monkey... oops... well, maybe not a father, just some distant ancestor!😕

And you see how they don't even grasp the subject matter!

Rebecca Miller2 said:Take the supposed "equality" of women as an example. Is "having rights" truly synonymous with "equality"? From my perspective on linguistics and logic—it certainly is not.

To clarify: do women possess all legal rights? They do.

However, based on how feminists and the Wall utilize the term "equality"—through their endless soapbox lectures and political maneuvering—it suggests they aren't actually seeking *that* kind of equality.

So, what exactly is it they want?

Or are they simply using "equality" as a mask to demand some form of superiority?

Rebecca Miller2, this is a great topic! 🙂

It is the ultimate stumbling block for those radical feminists.😁
And even for these self-proclaimed "philosophers" of ours... 😛 😁

Furthermore, regarding this famous "equality" for women, there was no answer provided. What specific fundamental rights have been stripped from women? Or which rights do women lack?

Actually, a much better question would be: what type of woman is being promoted by this granting of "rights"? And what is the end result—do we get some sort of android, a masculine figure that is neither male nor female?

But naturally, the fight for these "rights" wasn't started by women; it was started by the Wall!

Any decent, humble, and helpful woman finds the very concept of "emancipation" repulsive.

I. l said:You still haven't addressed the distinction between "having rights" and "equality" in the way we define them today... ARE THEY THE SAME OR NOT?

They aren't.