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Gun culture and laws: USA vs. European Union

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boldraven3 boldraven3 Member
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#81 ·
cosmicgull52 said:😍

As for those white guys up north worrying about protecting their Second Amendment rights in the USA, well, in the spirit of Thanksgiving, you are correct. Smart. Informed. Rational. Well-intentioned. I am going to watch some football; a classic game is on. 😁

In the true spirit of Thanksgiving, let's just give thanks to whoever ensured the world is populated by such sophisticated minds—people who feel the need to lecture us on every little thing... 👍

I’m going to go enjoy my Thanksgiving soundtrack until the football starts. 🙂

"Hey punk ass gangsters what you lookin at?
You think you can front with me? You better watch your back
I have a lot of guns and I can shoot them good
I'm a menace from society, a boy on the hood"

🤣🤣🤣
cosmicgull52 cosmicgull52 Active Member
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#82 ·
boldraven3 said:In the true spirit of Thanksgiving, let's just give thanks to whoever ensured the world is populated by such sophisticated minds—people who feel the need to lecture us on every little thing... 👍

I’m going to go enjoy my Thanksgiving soundtrack until the football starts. 🙂

"Hey punk ass gangsters what you lookin at?
You think you can front with me? You better watch your back
I have a lot of guns and I can shoot them good
I'm a menace from society, a boy on the hood"

🤣🤣🤣

What? Are we too high-class for the Bears-Lions game? Is that just something us poor folks in San Diego watch? 😠
boldraven3 boldraven3 Member
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#83 ·
cosmicgull52 said:What? Are we too high-class for the Bears-Lions game? Is that just something us poor folks in San Diego watch? 😠

Honestly, I can't focus on anything in God's name until my toddlers are finally tucked in... plus, I really need to squeeze in a run before I collapse in front of the TV (because once I sit down, I am officially glued there). Gotta keep the fitness levels up, even through Thanksgiving—I don't live in some laid-back corner of Europe, after all. ☕
cosmicgull52 cosmicgull52 Active Member
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#84 ·
May peace prevail. May God never let anyone experience such chaos.
hiddeneagle98 hiddeneagle98 Regular
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#85 ·
boldraven3 said:In the true spirit of Thanksgiving, let's just give thanks to whoever ensured the world is populated by such sophisticated minds—people who feel the need to lecture us on every little thing... 👍

I’m going to go enjoy my Thanksgiving soundtrack until the football starts. 🙂

"Hey punk ass gangsters what you lookin at?
You think you can front with me? You better watch your back
I have a lot of guns and I can shoot them good
I'm a menace from society, a boy on the hood"

🤣🤣🤣

"everyday normal guy" is definitely my favorite

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hiddeneagle98 hiddeneagle98 Regular
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#86 ·
boldraven3 said:Honestly, I can't focus on anything in God's name until my toddlers are finally tucked in... plus, I really need to squeeze in a run before I collapse in front of the TV (because once I sit down, I am officially glued there). Gotta keep the fitness levels up, even through Thanksgiving—I don't live in some laid-back corner of Europe, after all. ☕

And man, I feel that deep in my soul.

A little one at 1.5 and another at 2.6 years old.
boldraven3 boldraven3 Member
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#87 ·
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hiddeneagle98 said:"everyday normal guy" is definitely my favorite

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Alright, here’s what comes next... 😁

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hiddeneagle98 said:And man, I feel that deep in my soul.

A little one at 1.5 and another at 2.6 years old.

You’ve made the exact same "mistake" I did—my two little ones are almost that same age gap apart, with him being about 15 months older... It's high energy when they're playing separately, but once they get together? Absolute chaos. Which, of course, is pretty much the permanent state of affairs at our house... They've still got plenty of madness ahead of them. 🤣
Matthew Rodriguez9 Matthew Rodriguez9 Active Member
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#88 ·
Bub, if you had ever actually spent any time in the USA, you’d totally get why their laws are set up the way they are... honestly, I don't blame them one bit...

Just think about it—if your average beat cop in America didn't carry a sidearm like they do over in the UK... they'd be filling coffins every single day...
Roger Fowler Roger Fowler Active Member
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#89 ·
boldraven3 said:Exactly.

A friend of mine lives in Texas, and she once sent me a photo of a guy she was standing behind in line at Dunkin' while waiting for her coffee. He was right in front of her, placing his order, and sticking this massive rifle out of his backpack—or whatever he was carrying—and it looked almost intentional, you know? Like he wanted everyone to see exactly what he was packing. I couldn't tell if it was an AR-15 specifically, but regardless, there was no missing the fact that the guy was armed to the teeth.

Personally, I'm glad that carrying weapons around whenever you feel like it is illegal where I live. And I highly doubt that any of those people singing loudly about "gun culture" would be thrilled to run into armed individuals in a preschool hallway while waiting for their kids, or outside a school, in a grocery store, at Starbucks, or just anywhere else...

It's just basic paranoia, which then ends up feeding into everyone else's sense of paranoia.

Those single-shot rifles they brag about are honestly laughable. Your average person here can get much more lethal and powerful gear for a fraction of the price. We really shouldn't give Americans too much credit; when we feel like it, we can pick up ammunition wherever we want in the European Union.
hiddeneagle98 hiddeneagle98 Regular
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#90 ·
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boldraven3 said:unknown

Alright, here’s what comes next... 😁

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You’ve made the exact same "mistake" I did—my two little ones are almost that same age gap apart, with him being about 15 months older... It's high energy when they're playing separately, but once they get together? Absolute chaos. Which, of course, is pretty much the permanent state of affairs at our house... They've still got plenty of madness ahead of them. 🤣

Yeah, well, damn. It took me forever just to get the first thing right, and honestly, I never imagined I’d be sitting here having to go back and fix a second one, but life happens and everything just hits the fan at once.

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Kate Gonzalez11 Kate Gonzalez11 Member
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#91 ·
Black Ship and boldraven3... you two are better together!
Happy Thanksgiving... enjoy the freedoms you fought so hard to secure in the land of the free.

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casualtiger2 casualtiger2 Regular
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#92 ·
I wouldn’t trade the sense of security I feel walking around Europe—especially in Switzerland—completely unarmed, for a hundred pistols.
I don't have the official stats on hand, but I'm certain that here, maybe less than 0.01% of people are walking the streets armed (aside from the police, who are practically invisible), and honestly, that's incredibly reassuring.
But it seems like Americans are a uniquely dangerous and twisted bunch—given they have the highest incarceration rates in the world and suffer so much from gun violence.
Even with their massive faith in God.
Paul Sanders5 Paul Sanders5 Regular
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#93 ·
You get these moments in the USA where you just look around and think, "okay, everyone has officially lost their minds," but honestly? Looking at things over here in Europe, I feel like you’re better off taking your chances with a disaster or just getting out of there entirely. Because let's be real—anything else just drags you into these impossible situations where you can't come out on top, no matter how much of a righteous person you actually are.
Roger Fowler Roger Fowler Active Member
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#94 ·
Paul Sanders5 said:You get these moments in the USA where you just look around and think, "okay, everyone has officially lost their minds," but honestly? Looking at things over here in Europe, I feel like you’re better off taking your chances with a disaster or just getting out of there entirely. Because let's be real—anything else just drags you into these impossible situations where you can't come out on top, no matter how much of a righteous person you actually are.

Europe hasn't quite reached that tipping point where enough people are actively exploiting the leniency of European law, though that number is creeping up, isn't it? You might not be worried about owning a handgun, but there are certain pockets of major European cities where you aren't even allowed to walk anymore, simply because some lowlifes have decided to claim those neighborhoods as their own, enforcing their own twisted rules and policies that even the sovereign states themselves seem powerless to stop. So, a woman gets assaulted, someone gets stabbed, and if the perpetrator is actually caught, they just get a lecture telling them not to do it again.

If the USA is an extreme in one direction, Europe is just as skewed in the other, wouldn't you agree? Both systems are fundamentally broken when it comes to this issue.
hiddeneagle98 hiddeneagle98 Regular
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#95 ·
casualtiger2 said:I wouldn’t trade the sense of security I feel walking around Europe—especially in Switzerland—completely unarmed, for a hundred pistols.
I don't have the official stats on hand, but I'm certain that here, maybe less than 0.01% of people are walking the streets armed (aside from the police, who are practically invisible), and honestly, that's incredibly reassuring.
But it seems like Americans are a uniquely dangerous and twisted bunch—given they have the highest incarceration rates in the world and suffer so much from gun violence.
Even with their massive faith in God.

The thing is, even though most Swiss folks own guns and love hitting up the shooting ranges, they still have their own specific gun culture; when you look at the number of firearms per capita, they're right up there at the top. They even host shooting competitions for kids between 13 and 17, like the local youth festivals.

Here is some insight into how the gun culture works over in Switzerland:

https://www.businessinsider.com/swit...to-use-a-gun-3

From the perspective of other European Union nations, the Swiss appreciate firearms at a level pretty similar to Americans. It’s just that Americans might be a bit more primitive in their obsession.

At the end of the day, the violence we see in the USA isn't a result of gun laws or the right to bear arms; if anything, it’s probably the other way around. Switzerland is the perfect proof of that point.
Timothy Nelson5 Timothy Nelson5 Active Member
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#96 ·


Just wanted to offer a little bit of context regarding the whole gun rights situation here in the USA and how the legal landscape seems to be shifting lately.

The gist of it—basically, as a counter-move to all this 'progressive woke' crowd trying to strip decent citizens of their rights, there’s this growing, unmistakable trend toward allowing people to carry without needing a mountain of extra permits.
Noah Sullivan Noah Sullivan Active Member
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#97 ·
Roger Fowler said:Europe hasn't quite reached that tipping point where enough people are actively exploiting the leniency of European law, though that number is creeping up, isn't it? You might not be worried about owning a handgun, but there are certain pockets of major European cities where you aren't even allowed to walk anymore, simply because some lowlifes have decided to claim those neighborhoods as their own, enforcing their own twisted rules and policies that even the sovereign states themselves seem powerless to stop. So, a woman gets assaulted, someone gets stabbed, and if the perpetrator is actually caught, they just get a lecture telling them not to do it again.

If the USA is an extreme in one direction, Europe is just as skewed in the other, wouldn't you agree? Both systems are fundamentally broken when it comes to this issue.

Exactly—demographic makeup is everything. Demography is destiny.
My only fear is that the problematic segment of the population in Europe isn't growing slowly—it's accelerating.
William Clark86 William Clark86 Member
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#98 ·
hiddeneagle98 said:The thing is, even though most Swiss folks own guns and love hitting up the shooting ranges, they still have their own specific gun culture; when you look at the number of firearms per capita, they're right up there at the top. They even host shooting competitions for kids between 13 and 17, like the local youth festivals.

Here is some insight into how the gun culture works over in Switzerland:

https://www.businessinsider.com/swit...to-use-a-gun-3

From the perspective of other European Union nations, the Swiss appreciate firearms at a level pretty similar to Americans. It’s just that Americans might be a bit more primitive in their obsession.

At the end of the day, the violence we see in the USA isn't a result of gun laws or the right to bear arms; if anything, it’s probably the other way around. Switzerland is the perfect proof of that point.

Americans are just a schizophrenic, emotionally unstable nation. In a situation where we’d just say "fine" and move on, they’ll spend ten minutes jumping around fanatically with joy. In a situation where we just mutter "crap" and carry on, they have total meltdowns and start smashing things. It’s like that with everything.

When someone steps out of line here, they get some side-eye or maybe a bit of criticism thrown their way. Over there, it’s all screaming and screeching—if it gets intense enough, it turns into a brawl or someone pulls a gun.

I know I'm generalizing, but put 100 Americans and 100 Europeans in the exact same spot, and far more Americans will react exactly how I described rather than the other way around.

Plus, it’s become baked into their culture, subculture, media, and politics. This means they are essentially forcing and teaching people who wouldn't normally act that way to behave just like that.
Betty Ross6 Betty Ross6 Active Member
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#99 ·
William Clark86 said:Americans are just a schizophrenic, emotionally unstable nation. In a situation where we’d just say "fine" and move on, they’ll spend ten minutes jumping around fanatically with joy. In a situation where we just mutter "crap" and carry on, they have total meltdowns and start smashing things. It’s like that with everything.

When someone steps out of line here, they get some side-eye or maybe a bit of criticism thrown their way. Over there, it’s all screaming and screeching—if it gets intense enough, it turns into a brawl or someone pulls a gun.

I know I'm generalizing, but put 100 Americans and 100 Europeans in the exact same spot, and far more Americans will react exactly how I described rather than the other way around.

Plus, it’s become baked into their culture, subculture, media, and politics. This means they are essentially forcing and teaching people who wouldn't normally act that way to behave just like that.

There's also the whole demographic shift to consider...
hiddeneagle98 hiddeneagle98 Regular
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#100 ·
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Americans are just fundamentally schizophrenic and emotionally unstable as a nation. It’s wild how differently we process reality compared to everyone else. If something happens that we’d just shrug off, say "cool," and move on with our day, they’ll spend twenty minutes jumping around like fanatics in a state of pure euphoria. On the flip side, if we encounter something that’s clearly just a total load of crap and we barely blink, they’ll spiral into these massive, rage-filled meltdowns where people start breaking things. It’s that pattern across the board—it’s constant.
Americans tend to be pretty reactive—they’re loud, they get worked up over everything, and they constantly overreact. I wouldn't go so far as to say they've lost their grip on reality, but they definitely lean into the drama.

It’s honestly wild how some cultures just normalize that fake, over-the-top politeness from servers. You go out to eat and suddenly you're being smothered in this manufactured, sugary sweetness that feels completely hollow. It’s like they’ve all collectively agreed to put on a mask of extreme friendliness that doesn't actually mean anything, and we're just expected to play along with the charade.

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Back home, if you decide to cut in line, all you're going to get is some dirty looks or maybe a little snarky comment thrown your way by someone passing by. It’s subtle, almost quiet. But over here? If you even think about stepping out of turn, people lose their minds. You'll have folks screaming in your face, making a massive scene, and if things escalate enough, it’s not uncommon to see someone actually swing at you or pull a handgun. It's a completely different level of volatility.
Yeah, we’re just a bunch of softies, aren't we? Just sitting here, completely pacified and taking it all on the chin.

It’s funny how you see those folks over in London, just standing there in perfectly straight lines at the bus stop like they actually give a damn about order.

And honestly, no matter how much they carry themselves like true gentlemen, those same guys can turn into absolute animals when it comes to how they actually behave.

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I know I'm generalizing here, but look, if you took a hundred Americans and a hundred Europeans and dropped them into the exact same situation, I’d bet my life that way more of those Americans would react exactly the way I just described. It wouldn't be even close.

It’s become part of the actual culture now—it’s seeped into the subcultures, the media, and even the political machine. What we're seeing is this constant, forced conditioning that trains people to react in a certain way, essentially teaching folks to adopt these specific stances when they wouldn't have even thought to act like that otherwise.
Timothy Nelson5 hit the nail on the head earlier. If you actually sat down and mapped out where most violent crime in the States happens, you’d see it’s concentrated in just a handful of urban pockets. Honestly, if you were to isolate those specific areas and look at the data, the numbers would be comparable to the entire European Union.

Americans aren't even close to fixing the mess with the ghettos and the gang violence, and honestly, trying to blame that on some rednecks in the Rust Belt and their Second Amendment rights is a complete non sequitur.

When you look at those high-crime urban centers, the reality is that your Second Amendment rights are basically non-existent anyway; the local regulations are so restrictive they feel more like European law than anything you'd expect in America. Trying to get a concealed carry permit in a place like New York City is a total nightmare, and don't even get me started on open carry—it’s practically a fantasy for a law-abiding citizen there. It’s funny how people complain about gun control when the vast majority of homicides in those cities are actually committed with illegal weapons smuggled across the border from Mexico.

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