Would you get your kids vaccinated against COVID?

Ethan Campbell81 said:Here is another one dealing with measles.🤦
I see how it is. You clearly lack the capacity for independent thought. Your entire worldview is shaped by the BBC, local news stations, and whatever trending nonsense is on the feed. Fine. Continue with your delusions. Have a nice day.

When you lack a single shred of actual evidence against vaccination, all you have left to do is attack the person making the argument.
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Megan Green72 said:And what about all those other mandatory childhood vaccines up until now?
Parental consent doesn't carry much weight when it comes to kids' health, especially since most parents don't have the specialized training or deep knowledge required anyway.

By the way, check what the European Court of Human Rights says about this:
https://www.dw.com/en/echr-rules-obl...ary/a-57128443

The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) in Strasbourg ruled on Thursday that compulsory vaccinations would not contravene human rights law — and May be necessary in democratic societies.

The ruling came following the evaluation of a complaint brought to the court by Czech families regarding compulsory jabs for children.

"The measures could be regarded as being 'necessary in a democratic society,'" the court judgment read.

Oh yeah? And just how many kids was that measles vaccine actually tested on before it even got the green light?

Look, at the end of the day, a parent can just say no if they want to. They can withhold consent, easy as that. No biggie.

Linda Harris59 said:Let’s get one thing straight: measles aren't the primary threat to kids—the danger lies with adults who failed to vaccinate when they were young. By choosing ignorance over science, parents are actively jeopardizing their own children's health and stripping them of their fundamental right to protection from preventable diseases.

Use some common sense here. The COVID virus mutates much too rapidly for standard, slow-moving regulatory procedures to keep pace effectively.
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You also conveniently left out the part where our healthcare system is totally slammed and hospitals are drowning under the pressure.

Linda Harris59 said:Let’s get one thing straight: measles aren't the primary threat to kids—the danger lies with adults who failed to vaccinate when they were young. By choosing ignorance over science, parents are actively jeopardizing their own children's health and stripping them of their fundamental right to protection from preventable diseases.

Use some common sense here. The COVID virus mutates much too rapidly for standard, slow-moving regulatory procedures to keep pace effectively.
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https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documen...rmation_hr.pdf

Here's an excerpt from an official document released by Pfizer:

4.2 Dosage and Administration
There is currently no data regarding whether the Comirnaty vaccine is interchangeable with
other Covid-19 vaccines to complete a vaccination series.
The safety and effectiveness of the Comirnaty vaccine in children and adolescents under 16 have not yet been established. Data available is limited.

4.4 Special Warnings and Precautions for Use
Duration of Protection
How long protection lasts from this vaccine is unknown and is still being determined through ongoing clinical trials.

Immunocompromised Individuals
The efficacy, safety, and immunogenicity of this vaccine have not been evaluated in immunocompromised individuals, including those undergoing immunosuppressive therapy. The effectiveness of the Comirnaty vaccine may be reduced in immunocompromised people.

4.5 Interactions with Other Medicinal Products and Other Forms of Interaction
Interaction studies have not been conducted.
Co-administration of the Comirnaty vaccine with other vaccines has not been studied.

4.6 Fertility, Pregnancy, and Breastfeeding
Breastfeeding
It is unknown whether the Comirnaty vaccine is excreted in breast milk.

5.3 Non-clinical Safety Data
Genotoxicity/Carcinogenicity
Neither genotoxicity nor carcinogenicity testing has been performed. It is not expected that the vaccine components (lipids and mRNA) will possess genotoxic potential.
Reproductive Toxicity
Reproductive and developmental toxicity have been tested in rats.

Linda Harris59 said:This is a textbook example of how irresponsible parents can jeopardize the health and lives of both their own children and everyone else's. The reason "everyone else" matters is because unvaccinated kids become carriers within the school system.
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Seriously, the whole "you're going to kill your grandparents" line? That's sooooo last year...🙂

Megan Green72 As Ethan Campbell81 put it:
So, I was sitting there thinking about all this, and honestly, it just gets me worked up. Is it really? I mean, seriously, how many children was that measles vaccine actually tested on? It feels like we’re constantly being told to trust the process, but when you start digging into the actual numbers and the scope of these clinical trials, things start looking a little different than what they feed us on the nightly news. It makes you wonder if the sample sizes used in these studies are actually representative of the massive population we're dealing with here in the States, or if we're just supposed to take everyone's word for it without question. It's enough to make your head spin if you dwell on it too long. I honestly don't even know where to begin with this particular mess, but let me just say right off the bat: I was thinking about this earlier while I was stuck in that soul-crushing traffic on the I-95—you know the one, where you spend forty minutes moving three miles—and it hit me how much we tend to gloss over the obvious. It’s like when you’re looking back at a situation and realize everyone was just staring at the floor instead of seeing the giant red flag waving right in front of their faces. I've always been the type to dwell on these things, to sit with the discomfort of a poorly handled situation, and frankly, looking at what happened before, I find myself feeling more frustrated than surprised. It’s that same pattern of behavior we see over and over again, isn't it? You expect a certain level of foresight, a bit of common sense, perhaps even a shred of institutional integrity, but instead, you get this repetitive cycle of mismanagement that leaves you shaking your head in disbelief. I remember once, years ago, dealing with a similar headache during my time working in Chicago, and the parallels are almost too uncanny to ignore. We have to be better than this, or at least admit when we aren't. Wait, so you're telling me they actually went ahead and gave him the green light? I mean, seriously? I was sitting here sipping my coffee, just staring at the news, thinking there was no way—absolutely no way—that the authorities would actually sign off on that. It feels like we’re living in some kind of fever dream where common sense has just packed its bags and left the building. You look at how things are being handled lately, with all the bureaucracy and the endless red tape, and you'd think they'd be more cautious, but apparently, not in this country. It’s one of those moments where you just have to shake your head and wonder if anyone in charge is actually paying attention to the consequences. It's maddening, really.

I am certainly not going to do your homework for you. If you truly believe you can waltz in here and twist my words just to score some cheap points for your own agenda, you’re going to have to try a whole lot harder than that.

Linda Harris59 said:Let’s get one thing straight: measles aren't the primary threat to kids—the danger lies with adults who failed to vaccinate when they were young. By choosing ignorance over science, parents are actively jeopardizing their own children's health and stripping them of their fundamental right to protection from preventable diseases.

Use some common sense here. The COVID virus mutates much too rapidly for standard, slow-moving regulatory procedures to keep pace effectively.
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Here we go again, another self-proclaimed expert weighing in on everything.

It’s actually quite unsettling when you sit down and really crunch the numbers on this; they say roughly 17% of those who fall ill end up battling one or more complications. I was reading through some data the other day—it reminded me of a long conversation I had with an old colleague back in Chicago about how unpredictable health trends can be—and it’s not just a simple fever. We're talking about everything from ear infections and pneumonia to febrile seizures, which are those terrifying convulsions triggered by high temperatures. Then you have the gastrointestinal issues like diarrhea, or even much more severe neurological threats like encephalitis. It’s a lot to process, and honestly, it makes you wonder how many people are truly being told the full scope of what they might be facing. The most frequent complication we see, pneumonia, tends to crop up in roughly 6 to 13% of those infected, and honestly, it remains the primary driver behind mortality rates associated with measles. It’s one of those things that really drives home how much more complicated these respiratory issues can get once they take hold.If you look at the most recent data coming out of the European Union, they’re reporting that about one person dies for every thousand people who contract measles. It’s one of those statistics that stays lodged in your mind, isn't it? You start thinking about the sheer scale of it, the math behind the tragedy, and how these numbers trickle down from massive bureaucratic reports into actual, breathing lives. I was reading an article the other day—I think it was on BuzzFeed—about how we tend to gloss over these specific ratios until they hit home, and honestly, it makes you wonder if we're truly grasping the gravity of these outbreaks or if we've just become numb to the percentages. It’s honestly terrifying when you really sit down and look at the data, because it’s become painfully clear that the little ones—specifically those infants under the age of two—are facing the absolute highest risk when it comes to severe complications and mortality. I was reading through some reports earlier, thinking about how we handle pediatric care here in the States, and it just hits you how vulnerable they are. You see these headlines, and you want to believe everything is fine, but then you look at the actual vulnerability of a toddler compared to an adult, and it changes your whole perspective on how we should be approaching public health. It makes you wonder if the warnings are being loud enough, or if we're all just moving too fast to notice the danger facing our youngest citizens.It’s honestly infuriating how little attention is paid to the actual risks facing pregnant women and those living with compromised immune systems. We aren't just talking about a temporary fever here; we are talking about the long-term wreckage left behind after someone recovers from measles. I've seen people dismiss these concerns as nothing more than hysteria, but the science tells a much darker story. For months following an infection, a person's immune system can be completely destabilized. Even worse, in a small percentage of cases, a lethal complication known as SSPE—subacute sclerosing panencephalitis—can manifest in the brain years after the initial illness has passed. It's a ticking time bomb that most people seem content to ignore, which, quite frankly, is terrifying.

I was reading through this recent report on how we’re handling various illnesses lately, and honestly, it just sets me off. It feels like every time we turn around, there’s some new official narrative being pushed by the big institutions, and you have to wonder who is actually looking out for the individual. I remember back when I was working in Chicago, dealing with all sorts of bureaucratic nonsense, and it felt exactly like this—just layers upon layers of experts telling you what to think while they sit comfortably behind their mahogany desks. The whole discussion surrounding how we categorize these health risks seems increasingly disconnected from what people are actually seeing on the ground. You look at the way the CDC handles these things, and it’s like watching a slow-motion train wreck where everyone is too afraid to grab the brake because they might lose their funding or their standing within the European Union. It’s frustrating, truly. We are told to trust the science, but science is supposed to be an evolving inquiry, not a rigid dogma handed down from on high to keep the masses compliant. It reminds me of a conversation I had years ago with a colleague—let's call him Alan—who used to work in medical research. He used to say that once the bureaucracy becomes larger than the actual practice of medicine, you've lost the plot. That’s exactly where we are now. We’ve built these massive, sprawling systems that prioritize their own survival over the actual well-being of the public. It’s a cycle of misinformation and damage control that never seems to end, and frankly, I am exhausted by the sheer audacity of it all. They expect us to just nod along, accept the latest directive, and pretend everything is functioning perfectly, even when the cracks are wide enough to drive a truck through.

Wait a second, I think you might have gotten your chickenpox and measles mixed up there. If we’re being serious about the medical reality here, chickenpox is actually significantly more dangerous for adults than it is for kids. It’s one of those things where the risks shift as you age, and honestly, it's something people tend to overlook when they're rushing to make a point.

Think about it for a second—really sit with the idea—because if you actually look at the timeline, the way this whole thing has unfolded, it just doesn't add up. This whole virus situation, this constant, rapid-fire mutation we've been dealing with since the beginning, it moves far too fast for any kind of standard, rigorous medical procedure to keep pace. You can't exactly run a methodical, step-by-step clinical trial when the target is changing its entire molecular structure every time we think we've finally gotten a handle on it. It’s like trying to hit a moving target while riding a rollercoaster; by the time you aim, the goalpost has already shifted somewhere else entirely. Honestly, it makes you wonder how anyone expects a traditional regulatory process to stay relevant when the science is sprinting just to stay in the same place.

Listen, if we’re going to have a serious conversation about virology, we need to actually look at the structural mechanics of what we're dealing with here. You see, the coronavirus is an enveloped virus, and when you're dealing with that specific type of architecture, those viruses generally aren't as prone to constant, frantic mutations as you might think. It's just how the biology works. On top of that—and I mean this quite deliberately—the coronavirus itself exhibits a level of stability that puts other enveloped pathogens, like the seasonal flu, to shame. It isn't just spinning out of control every time it hits a new host; there is a certain structural persistence there that people seem to overlook in their rush to panic.

Nancy Williams58 said:You also conveniently left out the part where our healthcare system is totally slammed and hospitals are drowning under the pressure.

No, I didn't. But I did forget to mention that the virus mutates at lightning speed, that there isn't enough time to follow the standard vaccine registration protocols, and most importantly, that we are getting vaccinated because we know damn well that the risks of the shot are significantly lower than the risks of catching the virus itself.
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Linda Harris59 said:No, I didn't. But I did forget to mention that the virus mutates at lightning speed, that there isn't enough time to follow the standard vaccine registration protocols, and most importantly, that we are getting vaccinated because we know damn well that the risks of the shot are significantly lower than the risks of catching the virus itself.
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Here you go again

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documen...rmation_hr.pdf

Morgan Peterson6 said:Here you go again

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documen...rmation_hr.pdf

"Page no longer exists"

Linda Harris59 said:This is a textbook example of how irresponsible parents can jeopardize the health and lives of both their own children and everyone else's. The reason "everyone else" matters is because unvaccinated kids become carriers within the school system.
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Honestly, it feels like you're just being a total coward here...

Linda Harris59 said:"Page no longer exists"

Luckily I grabbed a screenshot—now I’m basically a digital outlaw if you care to know
so much about vaccine safety

Morgan Peterson6 said:Here you go again

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documen...rmation_hr.pdf

The reason that link isn't working is because you just copied it straight out of a forum post, and since this forum tends to shorten those massive URLs, the path is broken. If you can actually track down the original source where you grabbed this from, try right-clicking the actual link and selecting "copy link location" instead of just highlighting the text. That might actually get us somewhere.

Matthew Jackson2 said:The reason that link isn't working is because you just copied it straight out of a forum post, and since this forum tends to shorten those massive URLs, the path is broken. If you can actually track down the original source where you grabbed this from, try right-clicking the actual link and selecting "copy link location" instead of just highlighting the text. That might actually get us somewhere.

Thanks! I'll see if I can hunt it down.

edit: here's the actual link: https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicin...mation-section

Scott Hall5 said:Honestly, it feels like you're just being a total coward here...

It seems to me that your strategy is to avoid taking any personal risk at all, essentially waiting for everyone else to get vaccinated so they can provide you with a shield of herd immunity. That isn't bravery; it's opportunism. I made the conscious decision to get my shot despite knowing full well that the vaccine hadn't undergone exhaustive, long-term testing. I accepted the inherent risks—risks that you clearly lack the intestinal fortitude to face. You are a coward.

Linda Harris59 said:It seems to me that your strategy is to avoid taking any personal risk at all, essentially waiting for everyone else to get vaccinated so they can provide you with a shield of herd immunity. That isn't bravery; it's opportunism. I made the conscious decision to get my shot despite knowing full well that the vaccine hadn't undergone exhaustive, long-term testing. I accepted the inherent risks—risks that you clearly lack the intestinal fortitude to face. You are a coward.

And you're calling him an idiot? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Morgan Peterson6 said:And you're calling him an idiot? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Look, Alan was basically just some guy acting like a two-and-a-half-year-old, signing up for experimental drugs just to pocket a few hundred bucks. I guess at least he actually got paid for taking the risk. Honestly, Linda Harris59 is being even more of a hero here 👍

Morgan Peterson6 said:And you're calling him an idiot? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

I didn't call him an idiot—that was your word choice. I'm calling him a coward.

Check this out
https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documen...rmation_hr.pdf

Grace Edwards said:Look, Alan was basically just some guy acting like a two-and-a-half-year-old, signing up for experimental drugs just to pocket a few hundred bucks. I guess at least he actually got paid for taking the risk. Honestly, Linda Harris59 is being even more of a hero here 👍

Oops, I didn't actually call him an idiot

Honestly, Linda Harris59 deserves a medal for bravery
and maybe even a private meeting with Plenković to get decorated

Linda Harris59 said:When you lack a single shred of actual evidence against vaccination, all you have left to do is attack the person making the argument.
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Sure, obviously.
I realized long ago that debating indoctrinated individuals is a complete waste of time.