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briskdrifter3 briskdrifter3 Active Member
63 messages
joined Oct 2012
#261 ·
Ready when you are... As requested:
This serves as a sobering illustration of how irresponsible parenting can jeopardize not only their own children's well-being but that of everyone else's—because, let's be honest, unvaccinated kids inevitably become carriers within the school system... which creates a ripple effect that affects the entire community.
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An irresponsible parent? Me?!?... Truly, I am wounded.
It is actually quite the opposite, son...
I am the one carrying the weight of responsibility here—while you... well, you seem to be quite content with being utterly unaccountable.

Let me just clarify a few things...

When you purchase a vehicle, you aren't just buying metal and rubber—you are covered by consumer protection laws, which provide a certain level of security, including a warranty should anything go wrong... If a specific model line suffers from a systemic defect, the manufacturer is forced to issue a massive recall, pulling those cars in for repairs at their own expense. And if a design flaw leads to a fatality? Well, that’s when the class-action lawsuits begin, resulting in astronomical settlements... It is a heavy responsibility for them, certainly.

When you purchase a standard toaster—nothing fancy, just your everyday kitchen appliance—you aren't just buying hardware; you are actually covered by consumer protection laws, and you possess a standard manufacturer's warranty should the thing decide to quit on you prematurely. If, heaven forbid, the device malfunctions and delivers an electrical shock while you're just trying to make breakfast, you have grounds to sue the manufacturer for producing an insufficiently safe product. In such a scenario, you would be entitled to compensation, and the company would likely be forced to issue a massive product recall... there is a certain legal safety net in place. And if it turns out a whole crowd of people has been victimized by the same faulty design, the stakes rise significantly—we're talking about class-action lawsuits involving millions of dollars in damages... quite a serious matter, really.

If you happen to find yourself under the care of a physician who commits a gross error—a genuine lapse in judgment, one might say—you do have the right to sue them for medical malpractice. It is... well, it is a grueling process, certainly quite lengthy and often frustratingly slow—but the legal protections do exist. It serves as a necessary, if somewhat cumbersome, safeguard to ensure that doctors maintain a certain level of diligence while treating us... after all, accountability is everything.

If you happen to find yourself at an amusement park—say, somewhere like Six Flags or Cedar Fair—and the unthinkable occurs... if a roller coaster fails because a brake malfunctioned or a rail snapped under pressure... the legal fallout is quite extensive. Depending on what the forensic investigators actually uncover, the liability falls squarely on either the park's management or the manufacturer that built the ride itself. In such a tragic scenario, the family would be entitled to significant compensation through a wrongful death suit, and those responsible for the negligence could very well face prison time... it is a sobering thought, really.

And now... regarding the vaccine...

There is simply no accountability for vaccine defects. No liability for adverse effects, nor even for death... none at all. It seems pharmaceutical giants have successfully lobbied their way into securing total immunity from any legal fallout regarding these shots. And let’s not forget—this isn't even a fully vetted product—it hasn't undergone the standard, exhaustive testing cycles—it merely received an emergency authorization. A process that, by its very design, ensures that when things inevitably go sideways, absolutely no one is held responsible...
A vaccine is, fundamentally, a product. Is it? Yes, it is. It stands alongside the same logic as a Coca-Cola, a McDonald's hamburger, a toaster, a car, a smartphone—or even a dose of Bayer...
I find myself wondering... where exactly does consumer protection step in when we are discussing vaccines? One has to ask what makes a vaccine fundamentally different from any other product on the market—those other goods mentioned earlier—that would justify such a distinction. And, if we are being truly honest... where does criminal liability reside when a product turns out to be defective or, heaven forbid, harmful? It seems to me there is a significant gap in the logic here...
It’s simply gone... vanished into thin air.
They could practically label a vial of strychnine as a vaccine—inject it straight into your arm—and kill you without facing a single shred of accountability... all because they’re shielded by those "magical" liability protection laws designed specifically for vaccines here in the States.
That is precisely why they have gone about calling this mRNA sludge a "vaccine" in the first place—even though, strictly speaking, it isn't one... It is gene therapy, plain and simple, rather than a traditional vaccine.

So, you’re essentially an irresponsible parent—because, clearly, that toaster takes precedence over your child. You’ll spend all afternoon barking at a technician just to ensure your warranty holds up and demand a brand-new unit the moment it glitches... but what happens when your kid faces actual consequences? What then? Are you going to try and demand a replacement child from a pharmaceutical giant? No—not even that would work, because, as I have already pointed out, those corporations are shielded from any real liability. If a vaccine causes a fatality, it isn't their concern. If it leaves someone disabled due to a blood clot in the brain, it isn't their concern. If a child develops myocarditis... well, it simply isn't their problem. And so on, and so forth...

It stands to reason—though perhaps it shouldn't—that if you purchase some bottom-tier, bargain-bin toaster from a place like Walmart, you actually possess significantly more legal recourse and consumer protection than one does regarding these vaccines... where manufacturers aren't even required to disclose the full ingredient list and effectively dodge any liability for adverse reactions or even death. And that is to say nothing of the fact that these products were rushed onto the market before they were even adequately tested...

So, if we are being honest here, you’re the irresponsible one—not me.
It seems you have more affection for your toaster and your car than you do for your own child.

P.S.
In this light, I think I finally understand why some parents forget their kids in the car...
Because, clearly, the child just isn't the priority...
Nancy Williams58 Nancy Williams58 Active Member
88 messages
joined Apr 2023
#262 ·
Linda Harris59 said:He went through the illness and then followed it up by getting two doses of Pfizer.

So let me get this straight. You’re the guy who didn't bother being careful—and yeah, that's just the facts based on your own math, not an insult—you're the one with questionable hygiene habits who probably accidentally passed this thing to someone else because you were being reckless... and now you’re trying to lecture us? You're talking down to the people who actually did their part and kept up with decent hygiene, which we proved by not catching the damn thing in the first place?

So what, because you were irresponsible, some other responsible person should have to get jabbed just so you don't infect them again?

Care to explain that logic to me?
Morgan Peterson6 Morgan Peterson6 Member
42 messages
joined Jun 2016
#263 ·
Nancy Williams58 said:So let me get this straight. You’re the guy who didn't bother being careful—and yeah, that's just the facts based on your own math, not an insult—you're the one with questionable hygiene habits who probably accidentally passed this thing to someone else because you were being reckless... and now you’re trying to lecture us? You're talking down to the people who actually did their part and kept up with decent hygiene, which we proved by not catching the damn thing in the first place?

So what, because you were irresponsible, some other responsible person should have to get jabbed just so you don't infect them again?

Care to explain that logic to me?

Hahaha, touché.😁
Megan Green72 Megan Green72 Active Member
90 messages
joined May 2023
#264 ·
briskdrifter3 said:
Ready when you are... As requested:
This serves as a sobering illustration of how irresponsible parenting can jeopardize not only their own children's well-being but that of everyone else's—because, let's be honest, unvaccinated kids inevitably become carriers within the school system... which creates a ripple effect that affects the entire community.
.
.

An irresponsible parent? Me?!?... Truly, I am wounded.
It is actually quite the opposite, son...
I am the one carrying the weight of responsibility here—while you... well, you seem to be quite content with being utterly unaccountable.

Let me just clarify a few things...

When you purchase a vehicle, you aren't just buying metal and rubber—you are covered by consumer protection laws, which provide a certain level of security, including a warranty should anything go wrong... If a specific model line suffers from a systemic defect, the manufacturer is forced to issue a massive recall, pulling those cars in for repairs at their own expense. And if a design flaw leads to a fatality? Well, that’s when the class-action lawsuits begin, resulting in astronomical settlements... It is a heavy responsibility for them, certainly.

When you purchase a standard toaster—nothing fancy, just your everyday kitchen appliance—you aren't just buying hardware; you are actually covered by consumer protection laws, and you possess a standard manufacturer's warranty should the thing decide to quit on you prematurely. If, heaven forbid, the device malfunctions and delivers an electrical shock while you're just trying to make breakfast, you have grounds to sue the manufacturer for producing an insufficiently safe product. In such a scenario, you would be entitled to compensation, and the company would likely be forced to issue a massive product recall... there is a certain legal safety net in place. And if it turns out a whole crowd of people has been victimized by the same faulty design, the stakes rise significantly—we're talking about class-action lawsuits involving millions of dollars in damages... quite a serious matter, really.

If you happen to find yourself under the care of a physician who commits a gross error—a genuine lapse in judgment, one might say—you do have the right to sue them for medical malpractice. It is... well, it is a grueling process, certainly quite lengthy and often frustratingly slow—but the legal protections do exist. It serves as a necessary, if somewhat cumbersome, safeguard to ensure that doctors maintain a certain level of diligence while treating us... after all, accountability is everything.

If you happen to find yourself at an amusement park—say, somewhere like Six Flags or Cedar Fair—and the unthinkable occurs... if a roller coaster fails because a brake malfunctioned or a rail snapped under pressure... the legal fallout is quite extensive. Depending on what the forensic investigators actually uncover, the liability falls squarely on either the park's management or the manufacturer that built the ride itself. In such a tragic scenario, the family would be entitled to significant compensation through a wrongful death suit, and those responsible for the negligence could very well face prison time... it is a sobering thought, really.

And now... regarding the vaccine...

There is simply no accountability for vaccine defects. No liability for adverse effects, nor even for death... none at all. It seems pharmaceutical giants have successfully lobbied their way into securing total immunity from any legal fallout regarding these shots. And let’s not forget—this isn't even a fully vetted product—it hasn't undergone the standard, exhaustive testing cycles—it merely received an emergency authorization. A process that, by its very design, ensures that when things inevitably go sideways, absolutely no one is held responsible...
A vaccine is, fundamentally, a product. Is it? Yes, it is. It stands alongside the same logic as a Coca-Cola, a McDonald's hamburger, a toaster, a car, a smartphone—or even a dose of Bayer...
I find myself wondering... where exactly does consumer protection step in when we are discussing vaccines? One has to ask what makes a vaccine fundamentally different from any other product on the market—those other goods mentioned earlier—that would justify such a distinction. And, if we are being truly honest... where does criminal liability reside when a product turns out to be defective or, heaven forbid, harmful? It seems to me there is a significant gap in the logic here...
It’s simply gone... vanished into thin air.
They could practically label a vial of strychnine as a vaccine—inject it straight into your arm—and kill you without facing a single shred of accountability... all because they’re shielded by those "magical" liability protection laws designed specifically for vaccines here in the States.
That is precisely why they have gone about calling this mRNA sludge a "vaccine" in the first place—even though, strictly speaking, it isn't one... It is gene therapy, plain and simple, rather than a traditional vaccine.

So, you’re essentially an irresponsible parent—because, clearly, that toaster takes precedence over your child. You’ll spend all afternoon barking at a technician just to ensure your warranty holds up and demand a brand-new unit the moment it glitches... but what happens when your kid faces actual consequences? What then? Are you going to try and demand a replacement child from a pharmaceutical giant? No—not even that would work, because, as I have already pointed out, those corporations are shielded from any real liability. If a vaccine causes a fatality, it isn't their concern. If it leaves someone disabled due to a blood clot in the brain, it isn't their concern. If a child develops myocarditis... well, it simply isn't their problem. And so on, and so forth...

It stands to reason—though perhaps it shouldn't—that if you purchase some bottom-tier, bargain-bin toaster from a place like Walmart, you actually possess significantly more legal recourse and consumer protection than one does regarding these vaccines... where manufacturers aren't even required to disclose the full ingredient list and effectively dodge any liability for adverse reactions or even death. And that is to say nothing of the fact that these products were rushed onto the market before they were even adequately tested...

So, if we are being honest here, you’re the irresponsible one—not me.
It seems you have more affection for your toaster and your car than you do for your own child.

P.S.
In this light, I think I finally understand why some parents forget their kids in the car...
Because, clearly, the child just isn't the priority...

Same exact thing applies to vaccines. Honestly, the oversight is even tighter.
The only real difference is how much easier it is to prove a car caused a death. That’s just how the world works—you can't change that. All you can do is lie and claim the vaccine did it without any actual proof.
P.S.
In that light, it's pretty obvious why some parents forget their kids in cars...
Clearly, the kid isn't the priority here...

Nah, you don't get it at all. Actually, after reading that, I'm starting to think you're a crappy parent too. It's that fake sense of certainty you've got going on. Luckily for you, the stats say there's a good chance your kids won't end up as casualties because of this.
Kyle Nelson2 Kyle Nelson2 Regular
475 messages
joined Jun 2008
#265 ·
We still don't actually know how these Delta or Delta+ variants affect kids
Paul Brooks54 Paul Brooks54 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Feb 2012
#266 ·
It’s interesting—based on the current poll results, there are 19 people here who are supposedly ready to take children away from their parents (assuming they even have kids, which I find hard to believe).
Either way, I’m just hoping the authorities actually do their jobs for once.☕
Megan Green72 Megan Green72 Active Member
90 messages
joined May 2023
#267 ·
Paul Brooks54 said:It’s interesting—based on the current poll results, there are 19 people here who are supposedly ready to take children away from their parents (assuming they even have kids, which I find hard to believe).
Either way, I’m just hoping the authorities actually do their jobs for once.☕

It's hilarious how you actually think your opinion matters. 😁
briskdrifter3 briskdrifter3 Active Member
63 messages
joined Oct 2012
#268 ·
Megan Green72 said:Same exact thing applies to vaccines. Honestly, the oversight is even tighter.
The only real difference is how much easier it is to prove a car caused a death. That’s just how the world works—you can't change that. All you can do is lie and claim the vaccine did it without any actual proof.
P.S.
In that light, it's pretty obvious why some parents forget their kids in cars...
Clearly, the kid isn't the priority here...

Nah, you don't get it at all. Actually, after reading that, I'm starting to think you're a crappy parent too. It's that fake sense of certainty you've got going on. Luckily for you, the stats say there's a good chance your kids won't end up as casualties because of this.

No. None of that applies to vaccines.
The Consumer Protection Act does not cover vaccines. Liability simply doesn't exist here. Vaccine manufacturers are essentially granted immunity from responsibility if their product turns out to be defective.
Do a little research on the matter.

The fact that you never bother reading the fine print before signing your life away... well, that's your problem. That habit of blindly clicking "I agree" on every single pop-up window that appears on your screen... that is entirely your own doing. And injecting unknown, untested substances into your body based purely on blind faith? Again, that's on you. As far as I am concerned, you can inject heroin straight into your veins if you feel inclined to do so—that is your business, not mine.

I simply have no patience for having your issues forced upon me or my children. I actually read what I sign. I review the terms and conditions before I click anything—and quite often, I don't even click. I won't be injecting heroin, nor will I be injecting unknown, unverified vaccines... I simply won't. Anyone who attempts to force vaccination upon me or my children—whether through coercion or pressure—is an adversary... and I view such actions as an assault on my very persona, which inherently implies my right to self-defense.
Paul Brooks54 Paul Brooks54 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Feb 2012
#269 ·
Megan Green72 said:It's hilarious how you actually think your opinion matters. 😁

I don't usually waste my time on bots, but since I genuinely feel for you (given some past history), I'll give you this one post just to offer some friendly advice: you should probably find somewhere else to hang out and stay away from my threads.😉
Megan Green72 Megan Green72 Active Member
90 messages
joined May 2023
#270 ·
briskdrifter3 said:No. None of that applies to vaccines.
The Consumer Protection Act does not cover vaccines. Liability simply doesn't exist here. Vaccine manufacturers are essentially granted immunity from responsibility if their product turns out to be defective.
Do a little research on the matter.

The fact that you never bother reading the fine print before signing your life away... well, that's your problem. That habit of blindly clicking "I agree" on every single pop-up window that appears on your screen... that is entirely your own doing. And injecting unknown, untested substances into your body based purely on blind faith? Again, that's on you. As far as I am concerned, you can inject heroin straight into your veins if you feel inclined to do so—that is your business, not mine.

I simply have no patience for having your issues forced upon me or my children. I actually read what I sign. I review the terms and conditions before I click anything—and quite often, I don't even click. I won't be injecting heroin, nor will I be injecting unknown, unverified vaccines... I simply won't. Anyone who attempts to force vaccination upon me or my children—whether through coercion or pressure—is an adversary... and I view such actions as an assault on my very persona, which inherently implies my right to self-defense.

It absolutely does. You can sue people—period. The catch is you actually have to prove it, which is a bit harder given how things work, like I said. But this isn't some new thing; it’s happened before. So yeah, there's proof it works.

The fact that you never read the fine print before signing anything is on you. Clicking "I agree" on every single pop-up window that hits your screen? Your problem. Injecting unknown, untested substances into your body just because you feel like trusting someone? Also your problem. For all I care, go shove heroin in your veins if you want—that's your business.

Just pure speculation and making stuff up. Really shows you're a serious debater whose opinion actually carries weight.
I just won't tolerate you forcing your issues on me and my kids. I read before I sign. I check the terms before I click "accept"—actually, half the time I don't even click. I'm not shoving heroin or some unvetted vaccine into my veins, period. Anyone trying to force me or my children to get vaccinated under pressure is an enemy, and I see that as an attack on my autonomy. Therefore, I have the right to defend myself.

You're way too cocky about your views without having any actual backing.

Paul Brooks54 said:I don't usually waste my time on bots, but since I genuinely feel for you (given some past history), I'll give you this one post just to offer some friendly advice: you should probably find somewhere else to hang out and stay away from my threads.😉

Just another guy who doesn't get how a forum works.☕
And could you be a little more specific? What exactly happens if I don't take your "friendly advice"?
fadedranger162 fadedranger162 Active Member
70 messages
joined May 2023
#271 ·
Kyle Nelson2 said:I think Amir Shachar was a department head at that hospital back in 2012... but he hasn't really been mentioned much since then.

So what, because he moved on, he's suddenly not an expert? What about the other 92 doctors?

Found some info on a blog somewhere : he's basically one of the founding fathers of modern emergency medicine[*] in the US; more than 30 years ago, he built the new ER from the ground up at the Mayo Clinic and headed it up for ages, right up until he took a gig with the FBI. After battling through leukemia a couple of years back, he actually came out of retirement to run the emergency department over at Laniado.

He even has an article from last year with that exact title: https://www.pubfacts.com/detail/3243...PARTMENT-2040-
Nancy Williams58 Nancy Williams58 Active Member
88 messages
joined Apr 2023
#272 ·
Look, if it isn't part of the official government establishment, it isn't legitimate expertise. Period. We’re talking about a total twilight zone of medicine here—an industry so flooded with shady money and bribes that they basically staged a hostile takeover. And don't even get me started on how the politicians rolled out the red carpet to help them pull it off. It was the missing piece of the puzzle for them. Now? They finally have everything they need under one roof.
Matthew Jackson2 Matthew Jackson2 Active Member
146 messages
joined Jan 2016
#273 ·
Kyle Nelson2 said:We still don't actually know how these Delta or Delta+ variants affect kids

Look, once we actually have those definitive answers, then—and only then—can we sit down and reevaluate the current guidelines. But honestly, the mere fact that there is an ongoing scientific investigation into these unknowns isn't some kind of valid reason to push for vaccination right now.
mellowskipper mellowskipper Regular
704 messages
joined Jan 2023
#274 ·
OutOfBubblegum said:Just like all the other strains. This whole "new GMO" thing is honestly just an overblown lie regarding actual risks.

Honestly, I’ve started questioning if these specific strains even exist at all.
I mean, tomorrow I could just claim some weird, foreign-engineered strain showed up, and what is any regular person—just an average Joe—supposed to do to actually verify that? It's basically impossible to check...

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David Mendoza4 David Mendoza4 Member
28 messages
joined Oct 2007
#275 ·
Nancy Williams58 said:Look, if it isn't part of the official government establishment, it isn't legitimate expertise. Period. We’re talking about a total twilight zone of medicine here—an industry so flooded with shady money and bribes that they basically staged a hostile takeover. And don't even get me started on how the politicians rolled out the red carpet to help them pull it off. It was the missing piece of the puzzle for them. Now? They finally have everything they need under one roof.

They really are experts, though, and there's no denying their credentials.
The problem is everyone gets slapped with a label, like being called "anti-vaxxers" or even worse, labeled as "malicious."
briskowl24 briskowl24 Member
14 messages
joined May 2023
#276 ·
Matthew Jackson2 said:Look, once we actually have those definitive answers, then—and only then—can we sit down and reevaluate the current guidelines. But honestly, the mere fact that there is an ongoing scientific investigation into these unknowns isn't some kind of valid reason to push for vaccination right now.

Exactly.
The thing is, there’s no going back once you've had the shot.

And honestly, if parents decide to vaccinate their kids just because some celebrity suggested it... well, they might want to remember who gave them that advice if things ever go south.
Just saying this as a bit of food for thought so people don't make the same mistakes later on—I'm not out here calling for any kind of trouble.
Morgan Peterson Morgan Peterson Member
44 messages
joined Jan 2023
#277 ·
Let me be perfectly clear: leaking the private information of our members is an incredibly serious violation of this Forum's rules, and we have already handed out several permanent bans and partial suspensions because of it.
If I may offer some well-intentioned advice, perhaps it would be best if you all coordinated your discussions on this matter elsewhere, rather than continuing to pick fights with the moderation team here? You have the dedicated section known as the FBI down below where you are more than welcome to vent and air any grievances you have regarding how we manage things on this site. Moving forward, any further mention of those previous privacy breaches—or any attempts to debate who was banned and why—will result in an immediate 24-hour suspension. Thank you for your cooperation.
Kenneth Rodriguez15 Kenneth Rodriguez15 Newcomer
1 message
joined Jul 2021
#278 ·
briskdrifter3 said:No. None of that applies to vaccines.
The Consumer Protection Act does not cover vaccines. Liability simply doesn't exist here. Vaccine manufacturers are essentially granted immunity from responsibility if their product turns out to be defective.
Do a little research on the matter.

The fact that you never bother reading the fine print before signing your life away... well, that's your problem. That habit of blindly clicking "I agree" on every single pop-up window that appears on your screen... that is entirely your own doing. And injecting unknown, untested substances into your body based purely on blind faith? Again, that's on you. As far as I am concerned, you can inject heroin straight into your veins if you feel inclined to do so—that is your business, not mine.

I simply have no patience for having your issues forced upon me or my children. I actually read what I sign. I review the terms and conditions before I click anything—and quite often, I don't even click. I won't be injecting heroin, nor will I be injecting unknown, unverified vaccines... I simply won't. Anyone who attempts to force vaccination upon me or my children—whether through coercion or pressure—is an adversary... and I view such actions as an assault on my very persona, which inherently implies my right to self-defense.

That’s not quite right. There is still personal liability for the individual who actually cleared such a batch for market—one of those rare instances where the CEO isn't the only one on the hook—as well as corporate liability for the entity itself.

You have to distinguish between being liable for a defective batch versus dealing with defined side effects. Or side effects that were impossible to catch early on (like something that hits one in a million, which you obviously can't test for in a clinical trial of a few thousand people). That's why everything is monitored after the fact.
mellownomad7 mellownomad7 Active MemberOP
102 messages
joined Feb 2023
#279 ·
Comirnaty (made by Pfizer) is currently under the microscope because of myocarditis risks in young adults—something that’s already popped up as a safety signal in the USA and Israel. Until we actually get some solid numbers on how often this happens in kids and teens, it’s tough to say if the benefits really outweigh the risks for healthy 12-year-olds and up. According to a statement from the Mayo Clinic, parents can still choose to vaccinate their healthy kids in that age group, but they should know that official recommendations are being held off until we clear up the data on those myocarditis cases.

https://hr.n1info.com/zdravlje/hzjz-...tiv-covida-19/
Tyler Lopez98 Tyler Lopez98 Newcomer
1 message
joined Jul 2021
#280 ·
I don't have children yet, but if I did, they would be vaccinated.

Every parent carries the weight of ensuring their children's well-being—and in my view, disease prevention is a fundamental part of that responsibility. It is simply the responsible thing to do. I have full confidence in the safety of vaccines; I chose to get vaccinated myself, as did everyone in my family, and I would certainly extend that same protection to my children should the time come.

To be honest, I find it difficult to wrap my head around those who oppose vaccination—people who cling to absurd conspiracy theories while disregarding medicine and science in an era as advanced as the 21st century.

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