Would you get your kids vaccinated against COVID?

[QUOTE=restlesshound26;87429221]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/08/h...dren-fall.html

Coronavirus vaccines may be available in the fall for U.S. children as young as 6 months, drugmakers say. Pfizer and Moderna are testing their vaccines in children under 12 years, and are expected to have results in hand for children aged 5 through 11 by September.

It’s just thrilling to watch science move at this breakneck speed. I’ve read some folks on these forums—you know, the ones with the flashy signatures and avatars—claiming any vaccine can be cooked up in a few months, only to get stuck in ten years of red tape and bureaucratic nonsense at the DMV or some government office. But if you bypass all that (like how hitro.hr used to work, if anyone remembers), the vaccine is ready in no time. So here we go: they’re moving fast now, whipping up a health cocktail for kids too.

The anti-vaxxers are really going to have to sweat now to justify why they won't protect their 14-month-old or 4-year-old from the malicious COVID-19 virus and its sidekick, Delta. Feel free to drop whatever tired argument you want in the comments here, but personally, I’d suggest using the old "chickenpox" line. That one always seems to work for them. [/QUOTE

Why would an anti-vaxxer even need to prove anything about why they aren't vaccinating their kid?
Look, I'm not vaccinating mine. And I don't owe anyone an explanation.
The only person I ever owed an explanation to was my son, and that’s it. Period.
If he decides he wants to get vaccinated later in life, I'll take him. He has the right to choose.[/QUOTE]

Samuel Turner2 said:Basically, the vaccine isn't doing much. Even the CDC and Fauci admitted it:

If we actually lived in a sane world led by sane people, this "revelation"—even if we already suspected it—should be the end of COVID-19 vaccine passports. It should also kill any debate about mandatory shots in certain areas, and wrap up all those "do it for others, get vaccinated!" campaigns once and for all.

Like the comment says—this news should put an end to the whole push for mandates. For some folks, a vaccine might be a game changer, but hey, everyone's got to decide that for themselves, right?

Pushing harder after stuff like this comes out? Yeah, it’s no wonder people are getting skeptical and pushing back.

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/wissen/b.../27460368.html

Even the fierce Delta variant isn't a threat to kids

"We aren't seeing an increase in severe cases—the kind requiring ICU care—among Children and adolescents due to Delta," says Armann. He takes it a step further, noting that because overall case numbers are currently low, he sees "practically no Children and adolescents being hospitalized" with a Coronavirus infection."

Basically, zero kids are ending up in the hospital because of Delta.

Yet we keep seeing these articles popping up, absolutely packed with fake data and nothing but made-up assumptions about how infectious or strong the virus actually is.

"However, it appears that Delta is affecting younger age groups more than previous variants did."

Why does everyone keep spreading lies just to fuel panic and fear?
Is there even one single country left in this decaying part of the world that will actually protect its citizens from falsehoods and fear-mongering?

There is absolutely no way I'm vaccinating my kids.
I can't find a single valid reason to do it.

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https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tra...raphics-trends

In the States, we've already hit 53% for those aged 12-17 getting at least one dose, and that number is climbing fast.
The 16-17 crowd (highlighted here) is basically going to blow past the 18-39 group any day now. If you want to be cynical about it, they're gonna leave that older demographic in the dust like a piece of old trash.

rustywalker82 said:https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tra...raphics-trends

In the States, we've already hit 53% for those aged 12-17 getting at least one dose, and that number is climbing fast.
The 16-17 crowd (highlighted here) is basically going to blow past the 18-39 group any day now. If you want to be cynical about it, they're gonna leave that older demographic in the dust like a piece of old trash.

Where on earth did you see something that ridiculous?!
From what I can see in the charts, the younger crowd is split into two groups, and both of them are sitting well below 5%!!!!

You’ve got the graph and the table right there—did you actually bother clicking the "age" tab? It might be worth checking the data before calling everyone else on the forum idiots.

12-15 year olds: 49% single dose
16-17 year olds: 57.5% single dose

Though, if we're talking about actual record-breakers, the Belgians are actually leading the pack.

National level for ages 12-17: 66% (single dose)
78% in Flanders (which has a larger population than America)

https://datastudio.google.com/embed/...8ab/page/hOMwB

Gerald Chavez7 said:You’ve got the graph and the table right there—did you actually bother clicking the "age" tab? It might be worth checking the data before calling everyone else on the forum idiots.

12-15 year olds: 49% single dose
16-17 year olds: 57.5% single dose

Though, if we're talking about actual record-breakers, the Belgians are actually leading the pack.

National level for ages 12-17: 66% (single dose)
78% in Flanders (which has a larger population than America)

https://datastudio.google.com/embed/...8ab/page/hOMwB

Yeah, my bad. I didn't open those tables correctly at first, so I went to check a different source instead. Those numbers looked so terrifyingly high that my immediate reaction was thinking they couldn't possibly be true. My apologies.
Either way, the whole thing just seems completely insane to me...

Look, if we want to build up herd immunity, we really need to get kids vaccinated, according to Diana Jurasić.

I honestly don't see much point in vaccinating kids anymore since the whole narrative about shots being better than natural immunity has completely flipped over the last month.
I’ve been constantly Googling "natural immunity vs vaccination," and up until recently, every headline seemed to scream that getting the jab was way superior to just recovering from the virus naturally.

But ever since that massive study came out of Israel showing that natural immunity is actually 10 to 20 times more effective at preventing reinfection compared to the vaccine, the media has stopped acting like vaccination is this perfect shield against infection.

Just look for yourselves:
https://www.google.com/search?q=natu...&bih=638&dpr=1

The bottom line is that while the vaccine definitely helps lower your chances of ending up in the hospital, I'm really not buying the idea that vaccinating children is going to stop the spread of the coronavirus.

Keith Martin7 said:I honestly don't see much point in vaccinating kids anymore since the whole narrative about shots being better than natural immunity has completely flipped over the last month.
I’ve been constantly Googling "natural immunity vs vaccination," and up until recently, every headline seemed to scream that getting the jab was way superior to just recovering from the virus naturally.

But ever since that massive study came out of Israel showing that natural immunity is actually 10 to 20 times more effective at preventing reinfection compared to the vaccine, the media has stopped acting like vaccination is this perfect shield against infection.

Just look for yourselves:
https://www.google.com/search?q=natu...&bih=638&dpr=1

The bottom line is that while the vaccine definitely helps lower your chances of ending up in the hospital, I'm really not buying the idea that vaccinating children is going to stop the spread of the coronavirus.

Children are essentially just a way for Big Pharma to expand its customer base and push more products. It’s not about stopping transmission. Just like the seasonal flu, this will be part of our lives forever.🙂

I love my kids and I want to protect them as much as possible. They’ve stayed up to date on all their routine shots—and they’re getting the COVID ones, too.

Brian Wells3 said:I love my kids and I want to protect them as much as possible. They’ve stayed up to date on all their routine shots—and they’re getting the COVID ones, too.

If they possess a healthy immune system capable of brushing off COVID without symptoms, then their chance of dying from the virus is essentially zero. In that scenario, you are simply exposing them to the risk of side effects, which can include death. That isn't an act of love; it is pure irresponsibility. Why would anyone choose to do that?

Brian Wells3 said:I love my kids and I want to protect them as much as possible. They’ve stayed up to date on all their routine shots—and they’re getting the COVID ones, too.

The COVID vaccine isn't exactly part of the routine schedule, nor is it mandatory.
Look, I love my child too—she's up to date on all her required immunizations, plus the optional ones I paid for out of my own pocket.
But I don't plan on vaccinating her against COVID.
If we're really going to judge parental love by the number of shots a kid gets, then fine, I guess that's your metric.

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Alex Edwards4 said:If they possess a healthy immune system capable of brushing off COVID without symptoms, then their chance of dying from the virus is essentially zero. In that scenario, you are simply exposing them to the risk of side effects, which can include death. That isn't an act of love; it is pure irresponsibility. Why would anyone choose to do that?

It’s because they actually trust science and modern medicine... and because those side effects people obsess over are either non-existent or totally trivial... it's the same old story where people like you try to use fear as a weapon, acting all hypocritical when you realize they’re simultaneously being given a whole cocktail of other medications and treatments that carry identical, if not worse, risks. They’re smart enough to know this isn't just about their own kid sitting in a doctor's office in Chicago... we aren't talking about you or your individual child here... I’ll say it one more time for the folks in the back... this is a numbers game. It's about how a virus spreads through massive populations in a tiny window of time... vaccination is prevention... pure and simple prevention... it's what you might call "controlled immunity spreading."

Mark Richardson86 said:It’s because they actually trust science and modern medicine... and because those side effects people obsess over are either non-existent or totally trivial... it's the same old story where people like you try to use fear as a weapon, acting all hypocritical when you realize they’re simultaneously being given a whole cocktail of other medications and treatments that carry identical, if not worse, risks. They’re smart enough to know this isn't just about their own kid sitting in a doctor's office in Chicago... we aren't talking about you or your individual child here... I’ll say it one more time for the folks in the back... this is a numbers game. It's about how a virus spreads through massive populations in a tiny window of time... vaccination is prevention... pure and simple prevention... it's what you might call "controlled immunity spreading."

I’m not a religious man, unfortunately. I prefer to stick to hard data, scientific consensus, and cold logic.

Peter Sanders4 said:I’m not a religious man, unfortunately. I prefer to stick to hard data, scientific consensus, and cold logic.

My point was that you seem focused on just getting the last word in on one tiny part of a sentence, almost like you're trying to outsmart whoever spoke last... and honestly, modern medicine is built on those same pillars of concrete numbers, scientific discovery, and empirical evidence... yet somehow, despite everything you write, it feels like you're still operating on pure faith...
It’s really not my fault if you can't quite wrap your head around that... there are plenty of people out there who feel the same way, and they aren't exactly busy lecturing anyone else about it...

Alex Edwards4 said:If they possess a healthy immune system capable of brushing off COVID without symptoms, then their chance of dying from the virus is essentially zero. In that scenario, you are simply exposing them to the risk of side effects, which can include death. That isn't an act of love; it is pure irresponsibility. Why would anyone choose to do that?

They're healthy right now, and I want to keep it that way. My priority is shielding them from real dangers, and let's face it—COVID carries much higher risks than any vaccine. When it comes to medicine, I listen to the doctors and the experts—just like I listened to the contractors during my massive kitchen remodel.

Peter Sanders4 said:I’m not a religious man, unfortunately. I prefer to stick to hard data, scientific consensus, and cold logic.

Same here. That’s exactly why I actually listen to what the scientists and experts are saying regarding COVID and the vaccines. The vast majority of actual experts in those fields are all in agreement: get vaccinated.

Keith Martin7 said:I honestly don't see much point in vaccinating kids anymore since the whole narrative about shots being better than natural immunity has completely flipped over the last month.
I’ve been constantly Googling "natural immunity vs vaccination," and up until recently, every headline seemed to scream that getting the jab was way superior to just recovering from the virus naturally.

But ever since that massive study came out of Israel showing that natural immunity is actually 10 to 20 times more effective at preventing reinfection compared to the vaccine, the media has stopped acting like vaccination is this perfect shield against infection.

Just look for yourselves:
https://www.google.com/search?q=natu...&bih=638&dpr=1

The bottom line is that while the vaccine definitely helps lower your chances of ending up in the hospital, I'm really not buying the idea that vaccinating children is going to stop the spread of the coronavirus.

Plus, if natural immunity really does last longer, it makes sense for kids to be exposed to the virus while they're young, since they’ll be encountering it throughout their lives anyway. Keeping them stuck at home in isolation doesn't seem to make much sense to me, unless the goal is just to push vaccinations for the sake of pharmaceutical profits.

Brian Wells3 said:Same here. That’s exactly why I actually listen to what the scientists and experts are saying regarding COVID and the vaccines. The vast majority of actual experts in those fields are all in agreement: get vaccinated.

Look, if you’re actually keeping up with the science, you’d know kids aren't even getting hit that hard by this virus. Honestly, if you really want to protect them, just leave them alone and get them away from all this chaos.