Second Semester 2020/21 School Year

stormymarlin12 said:Seriously, what is so wrong with playing cards with three buddies you already hang out with?
Or heading out on a little road trip with five or six close friends?
How on earth is that "violating" the headquarters' recommendations?
We aren't talking about throwing some massive blowout party with fifty people, are we?

It’s not like you’re committing a felony just because you grabbed a coffee with some pals or hung out for a bit!

HELLO???
How many people from different households were actually allowed to hang out during Christmas, for instance?
What are you even rambling about?
Is what you're doing actually legal under current restrictions? Do you even understand English? Go read the rules—socializing is limited to a maximum of two (TWO) households, not five or six. Good grief, what is your IQ?
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/guidance/recommendations/index.html

Look at everything that’s been shut down. Are your kids playing basketball or something, so everything is just fine? Is it? How long have all those kids who play organized sports been unable to attend practice? What about the gyms?

No, seriously—are you trying to make me look crazy? You, who aren't following the rules, are sitting here acting wise and claiming everything is perfectly fine. You're even insisting that in-person classes are running normally and at full capacity when that’s clearly not true. Just go check on the medical students over at Johns Hopkins.
Where do you find these lunatics? Have you completely lost touch with reality?

velvetskipper11 said:HELLO???
How many people from different households were actually allowed to hang out during Christmas, for instance?
What are you even rambling about?
Is what you're doing actually legal under current restrictions? Do you even understand English? Go read the rules—socializing is limited to a maximum of two (TWO) households, not five or six. Good grief, what is your IQ?
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/guidance/recommendations/index.html

Look at everything that’s been shut down. Are your kids playing basketball or something, so everything is just fine? Is it? How long have all those kids who play organized sports been unable to attend practice? What about the gyms?

No, seriously—are you trying to make me look crazy? You, who aren't following the rules, are sitting here acting wise and claiming everything is perfectly fine. You're even insisting that in-person classes are running normally and at full capacity when that’s clearly not true. Just go check on the medical students over at Johns Hopkins.
Where do you find these lunatics? Have you completely lost touch with reality?

Please... since when were those the rules? As far as I know, up to 10 people from two households can gather, and kids don't count toward the limit... which damn rule did she actually break? I can't find one, other than maybe forgetting a mask once or twice—something even I do, and then I just put it on once I remember.

velvetskipper11 said:HELLO???
How many people from different households were actually allowed to hang out during Christmas, for instance?
What are you even rambling about?
Is what you're doing actually legal under current restrictions? Do you even understand English? Go read the rules—socializing is limited to a maximum of two (TWO) households, not five or six. Good grief, what is your IQ?
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/guidance/recommendations/index.html

Look at everything that’s been shut down. Are your kids playing basketball or something, so everything is just fine? Is it? How long have all those kids who play organized sports been unable to attend practice? What about the gyms?

No, seriously—are you trying to make me look crazy? You, who aren't following the rules, are sitting here acting wise and claiming everything is perfectly fine. You're even insisting that in-person classes are running normally and at full capacity when that’s clearly not true. Just go check on the medical students over at Johns Hopkins.
Where do you find these lunatics? Have you completely lost touch with reality?

It would probably be better if you just hung out with a couple of friends or went on a road trip with your crew instead of dealing with this; you'd have much more peace of mind.

And honestly, you'd need a slightly higher IQ than yours to pull that off, too.

I suspect velvetskipper11 is just poking fun at the decisions coming down from headquarters...
Personally, I find this whole situation somewhat contradictory; on one hand, there’s the push for remote learning, yet on the other, everyone is insisting on the importance of traditional social interaction...

Amanda Hughes37 said:What do you mean "exactly opposite"... I’m following every single guideline provided, and so are the kids. We’ve been playing cards with our godparents—there are four of us from two different households.

Everything is strictly by the book.

Given how she lives her life, you're better off just sticking to the rules if you want to keep your sanity intact...

Of course people do that.
The way you play—your card game follows the regulations, so I don't see why that would be an example. This other person hangs out with five or six friends—now *that* isn't following the rules, and that's what gets you penalized.
The restrictions just aren't normal.
Just because they're being enforced selectively or hardly anyone actually pays the fine doesn't mean things can't change at any second. Some idiot could report you while you're playing your cards, and then what? Would you really be fine with getting slapped with a couple thousand dollars in fines?
Kids aren't training properly, practical lessons aren't happening right, the rules change constantly—what's allowed today might be banned tomorrow—and yet this woman above is living in her own little universe, daring to lecture us about ignoring the measures. If the measures are so great, why isn't she following them? She acts like they don't even exist and then claims everything is fine because of it. Would she actually be okay if she had read this scandalous set of regulations and actually stuck to them?

velvetskipper11 said:Of course people do that.
The way you play—your card game follows the regulations, so I don't see why that would be an example. This other person hangs out with five or six friends—now *that* isn't following the rules, and that's what gets you penalized.
The restrictions just aren't normal.
Just because they're being enforced selectively or hardly anyone actually pays the fine doesn't mean things can't change at any second. Some idiot could report you while you're playing your cards, and then what? Would you really be fine with getting slapped with a couple thousand dollars in fines?
Kids aren't training properly, practical lessons aren't happening right, the rules change constantly—what's allowed today might be banned tomorrow—and yet this woman above is living in her own little universe, daring to lecture us about ignoring the measures. If the measures are so great, why isn't she following them? She acts like they don't even exist and then claims everything is fine because of it. Would she actually be okay if she had read this scandalous set of regulations and actually stuck to them?

Hanging out with 5 or 6 friends on a trip—there were 15 of us hiking a single trail in California the day before yesterday... since when is that forbidden? And along the way, I saw God knows how many groups of people singing and walking, all ending up at a patio in Carmel-by-the-Sea.

Kids are training normally now, both indoors and outdoors.

I still have no idea what you're talking about.

For that matter, almost everyone I know has had COVID in the last few months...

velvetskipper11 said:Of course people do that.
The way you play—your card game follows the regulations, so I don't see why that would be an example. This other person hangs out with five or six friends—now *that* isn't following the rules, and that's what gets you penalized.
The restrictions just aren't normal.
Just because they're being enforced selectively or hardly anyone actually pays the fine doesn't mean things can't change at any second. Some idiot could report you while you're playing your cards, and then what? Would you really be fine with getting slapped with a couple thousand dollars in fines?
Kids aren't training properly, practical lessons aren't happening right, the rules change constantly—what's allowed today might be banned tomorrow—and yet this woman above is living in her own little universe, daring to lecture us about ignoring the measures. If the measures are so great, why isn't she following them? She acts like they don't even exist and then claims everything is fine because of it. Would she actually be okay if she had read this scandalous set of regulations and actually stuck to them?

Amanda Hughes37 said:Hanging out with 5 or 6 friends on a trip—there were 15 of us hiking a single trail in California the day before yesterday... since when is that forbidden? And along the way, I saw God knows how many groups of people singing and walking, all ending up at a patio in Carmel-by-the-Sea.

Kids are training normally now, both indoors and outdoors.

I still have no idea what you're talking about.

For that matter, almost everyone I know has had COVID in the last few months...

Look, you have to actually read things with some level of comprehension. But honestly, how can you expect anyone to do that when people just show up here pissed off, looking for nothing but a fight and a chance to vent?

Karnes County is rolling out a ton of new restrictions this week

Looks like all the elementary and high schools are just moving everything online.

So, apparently, kids are back to being little bioterrorists again.

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Kids aren't some kind of bio-terrorists—it’s just basic science that viruses spread like wildfire when people crowd together without keeping their distance or wearing masks properly.
But expecting high schoolers to actually wear masks and social distance? In a crowded hallway?
Please.
Are you kidding me?? 🙄

Some people genuinely seem to believe this outbreak isn't fueled, at least in part, by the fact that schools are wide open right now.

Robert Hernandez11 said:Kids aren't some kind of bio-terrorists—it’s just basic science that viruses spread like wildfire when people crowd together without keeping their distance or wearing masks properly.
But expecting high schoolers to actually wear masks and social distance? In a crowded hallway?
Please.
Are you kidding me?? 🙄

Some people genuinely seem to believe this outbreak isn't fueled, at least in part, by the fact that schools are wide open right now.

In Karnes County, about 70% of those responding positively are actually working. ☕
That’s the gist of it.

later

Robert Hernandez11 said:Kids aren't some kind of bio-terrorists—it’s just basic science that viruses spread like wildfire when people crowd together without keeping their distance or wearing masks properly.
But expecting high schoolers to actually wear masks and social distance? In a crowded hallway?
Please.
Are you kidding me?? 🙄

Some people genuinely seem to believe this outbreak isn't fueled, at least in part, by the fact that schools are wide open right now.

I’m still sitting here waiting for actual, concrete data from all these supposedly eminent experts and scientists, yet all we’ve been served so far are nothing but endless opinions, baseless assumptions, and the hollow rhetoric of blaming grandparents for being murderers of their own grandchildren. Is that really what we're calling science these days, or have we just drifted into some sort of cultish religion?

mellownomad7 said:In Karnes County, about 70% of those responding positively are actually working. ☕
That’s the gist of it.

later

Look, I was talking about *how* it spreads, not the percentage of people who get sick.

Besides— the age range for the workforce (18-65) is way broader than just high schoolers (15-18)...
I mean... it's like ten times larger, right?🤔

🤦

By the way, this whole "kids are killers" or "kids are bioterrorists" thing is totally taken out of context—at least compared to what I actually wrote.
Basically: large crowds of people hanging out without social distancing or wearing masks correctly is the simplest, most common, and most obvious way a virus spreads.
Which part of that sentence is confusing you?

In my county, schools have been doing remote learning for about four weeks now—both elementary and high school. And you can probably guess what’s happening: the daily case numbers just keep climbing. It’s wild, too... you’ll be driving down the road in broad daylight, it’s a beautiful 65 degrees out, and you see a 15-year-old walking around with a mask on. Is that actually sane?

I think it’s pretty obvious if you look at countries that implemented much stricter, longer lockdowns—lockdowns just don't work. In my neck of the woods, the infection rate is spiking because we haven't had much exposure over the last year, so now it's our turn. The moment we step out of the bunker, the virus hits. But honestly, living in a bunker forever isn't an option just to protect that 0.5% of the population who might be at risk... if we go that route long-term, everyone ends up losing in different ways. Right now, our local hospitals are practically empty. Only about 20% of the hospital staff is vaccinated. I think that speaks for itself.

I work in an elementary school, and from what I've seen, when someone in a classroom tests positive, they rarely pass it to anyone else in that room. I know of several cases where elementary teachers were positive—though they weren't actually "sick," if you catch my drift—losing their sense of smell or having a mild fever for half a day, and they didn't infect a single student. I even have a case from a 7th-grade class where one boy, who has a medical exemption from wearing a mask, caught it—but he didn't spread it to anyone else, not in class and not even at home. The whole class ended up going into precautionary isolation after testing positive, but it seems contained.
At the daycare my kid goes to, they occasionally test a child who has a slight fever, and they come back positive. Even then, that child hasn't passed it to any of the other kids so far. I'm sure others have different experiences—this is just what I'm seeing firsthand. I'd say the younger the kids are, the less likely they are to show any symptoms at all.

We should let the younger generation build up natural immunity and just get on with life. If people want to get vaccinated, fine—let them. But let everyone else live normally. And please, stop living under the illusion that a vaccine is some magic bullet that solves everything. It's the same deal with masks; they don't solve the core issue. I mean, the analogy is pretty clear: wearing a mask is like riding a bus while trying to dodge a fly.

Robert Hernandez11 said:Look, I was talking about *how* it spreads, not the percentage of people who get sick.

Besides— the age range for the workforce (18-65) is way broader than just high schoolers (15-18)...
I mean... it's like ten times larger, right?🤔

🤦

By the way, this whole "kids are killers" or "kids are bioterrorists" thing is totally taken out of context—at least compared to what I actually wrote.
Basically: large crowds of people hanging out without social distancing or wearing masks correctly is the simplest, most common, and most obvious way a virus spreads.
Which part of that sentence is confusing you?

Long story short, everyone’s spreading it equally, whether schools are open or not.
Just check the Dow Jones data.

cheers

frozencanyon14 said:In my county, schools have been doing remote learning for about four weeks now—both elementary and high school. And you can probably guess what’s happening: the daily case numbers just keep climbing. It’s wild, too... you’ll be driving down the road in broad daylight, it’s a beautiful 65 degrees out, and you see a 15-year-old walking around with a mask on. Is that actually sane?

I think it’s pretty obvious if you look at countries that implemented much stricter, longer lockdowns—lockdowns just don't work. In my neck of the woods, the infection rate is spiking because we haven't had much exposure over the last year, so now it's our turn. The moment we step out of the bunker, the virus hits. But honestly, living in a bunker forever isn't an option just to protect that 0.5% of the population who might be at risk... if we go that route long-term, everyone ends up losing in different ways. Right now, our local hospitals are practically empty. Only about 20% of the hospital staff is vaccinated. I think that speaks for itself.

I work in an elementary school, and from what I've seen, when someone in a classroom tests positive, they rarely pass it to anyone else in that room. I know of several cases where elementary teachers were positive—though they weren't actually "sick," if you catch my drift—losing their sense of smell or having a mild fever for half a day, and they didn't infect a single student. I even have a case from a 7th-grade class where one boy, who has a medical exemption from wearing a mask, caught it—but he didn't spread it to anyone else, not in class and not even at home. The whole class ended up going into precautionary isolation after testing positive, but it seems contained.
At the daycare my kid goes to, they occasionally test a child who has a slight fever, and they come back positive. Even then, that child hasn't passed it to any of the other kids so far. I'm sure others have different experiences—this is just what I'm seeing firsthand. I'd say the younger the kids are, the less likely they are to show any symptoms at all.

We should let the younger generation build up natural immunity and just get on with life. If people want to get vaccinated, fine—let them. But let everyone else live normally. And please, stop living under the illusion that a vaccine is some magic bullet that solves everything. It's the same deal with masks; they don't solve the core issue. I mean, the analogy is pretty clear: wearing a mask is like riding a bus while trying to dodge a fly.

The fallout from letting kids just "deal with it naturally" includes about thirty cases of severe long COVID in children who were perfectly healthy before, plus one child who died. Are those really acceptable casualties for "natural immunity," just because it didn't happen at YOUR school or right in front of YOUR eyes?

What I really want to point out is that these serious cases definitely happen in kids, even if they don't spread the virus as easily. Actually, since so many kids get infected, statistically there are way more of these cases than any potential deaths or side effects from vaccines!

So, wouldn't it be better to just vaccinate the adults to protect the kids? Instead of using children as cannon fodder just so adults can grab a Starbucks and act like anti-vaxxers at a local pub?

New England Journal of Medicine, Feb 22, 2021:

https://hr.n1info.com/znanost/djeca-...a-od-odraslih/

So, researchers just finished digging through over 31,000 serology tests—you know, those blood tests that check for antibodies—conducted right here in New York between April and August 2020. They were specifically looking at positive results that prove someone had already fought off COVID-19.

"They point out something we really need to pay attention to: the rate of positive antibody tests was pretty much the same for kids and teenagers as it was for adults. This suggests that even if children are only showing mild symptoms, they could still be acting as a massive, invisible engine for spreading SARS-CoV-2 throughout the community," the authors warn.

From the original article:
"The findings of this study suggest that there are distinct SARS-CoV-2 viral–specific antibody response profiles that vary based on age, with younger children exhibiting higher levels of IgG, total, and functional antibody activity than adolescents and young adults. Our data could partly explain the overall lower rate of symptoms and cases of severe disease in children infected with SARS-CoV-2. However, the lower incidence of symptoms and decreased disease severity in pediatric patients raises the possibility that this population could represent an important reservoir for viral transmission in the community. Thus, increased screening of school-aged children, even those without overt symptoms or exposure, may be an important step in curbing the pandemic."
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...?resultClick=1

boldotter2 said:The fallout from letting kids just "deal with it naturally" includes about thirty cases of severe long COVID in children who were perfectly healthy before, plus one child who died. Are those really acceptable casualties for "natural immunity," just because it didn't happen at YOUR school or right in front of YOUR eyes?

What I really want to point out is that these serious cases definitely happen in kids, even if they don't spread the virus as easily. Actually, since so many kids get infected, statistically there are way more of these cases than any potential deaths or side effects from vaccines!

So, wouldn't it be better to just vaccinate the adults to protect the kids? Instead of using children as cannon fodder just so adults can grab a Starbucks and act like anti-vaxxers at a local pub?

Healthy kids die from the flu and strep throat. It happens every single year.
And honestly, just think about why something like the measles vaccine is mandatory while the chickenpox one isn't...

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