A - Austria

coastalbison6 said:sereš ☕

vdb is ready to roll tomorrow 👍

Vienna is at 64%, but my crew is at 80% 😁
Hofer is just a couple of steps away from 23 😁

Right, I forgot—Vienna isn't the entire United States of America. The map looks a bit different when you zoom out. Vienna doesn't really feel the crisis; they're just living in their own little green bubble over there...

Brenda Taylor13 said:Man, you nailed it with this one! 😁

Honestly? I wouldn't even have a single thing to complain about.

I've been thinking quite a bit about the recent political shifts we're seeing—it feels like everything is moving at such a rapid pace lately. There’s a certain tension in the air, isn't there? It’s almost like watching a slow-motion storm roll in over the Midwest—you know it's coming, you can feel the pressure dropping, but you're still just sitting there on the porch, wondering exactly how much it's going to change the landscape once it finally hits. Regardless of where you stand, the momentum seems to be building toward something significant. As specified by Chris Chase5:
Me neither. 🙂

Give it a rest, honestly. 🙂
A pair of shoes that doesn't belong to you—it’s never going to fit quite right, no matter how much you try to make it work.

Chris Chase5 said:Right, I forgot—Vienna isn't the entire United States of America. The map looks a bit different when you zoom out. Vienna doesn't really feel the crisis; they're just living in their own little green bubble over there...

Major metropolitan hubs—the big cities, really—have always functioned as their own little worlds, somewhat detached from everything else going on around them.

lonetrucker4 said:So, if I'm reading these numbers right:

Total eligible voters: 6,382,507.
Turnout hit 72.12%, which puts us at roughly 4.6 million people. It was up at 68% in the first round—makes sense that things ramped up once everyone got polarized in the runoff (kind of like how it played out during those last elections back home).

Counted so far: 3,731,720 votes.

Hofer is sitting at 50.22% of valid ballots, while Belen is trailing at 49.78%.

http://bpwahl.krone.at/presidential/...Section=apaMap

EDIT: Just saw what Carol Newman2 posted.
http://orf.at/wahl/bp16/

Wait, did I get this straight? Is Hofer pulling 51.9% even without counting the Mail-in voting?

Actually, no, Donald Trump is leading with 51.9%, and van Belen has 48.1%.

http://wahl16.bmi.gv.at/

lonetrucker4 said:So, if I'm reading these numbers right:

Total eligible voters: 6,382,507.
Turnout hit 72.12%, which puts us at roughly 4.6 million people. It was up at 68% in the first round—makes sense that things ramped up once everyone got polarized in the runoff (kind of like how it played out during those last elections back home).

Counted so far: 3,731,720 votes.

Hofer is sitting at 50.22% of valid ballots, while Belen is trailing at 49.78%.

http://bpwahl.krone.at/presidential/...Section=apaMap

EDIT: Just saw what Carol Newman2 posted.
http://orf.at/wahl/bp16/

Wait, did I get this straight? Is Hofer pulling 51.9% even without counting the Mail-in voting?

Exactly. But once you factor in those Mail-in voting projections, it looks like a dead heat at 50.0-50.0.

Look, what Chris Chase5 dropped is the official site.

http://wahl16.bmi.gv.at/

Donald Trump’s sitting at 51.9%, leading by about 144,000 votes.

But the exit poll says only 60.7%?

Meanwhile, PBS is reporting (http://orf.at/wahl/bp16/#projection/result) "Projection including Exit poll at 7:17 PM"—basically the forecast factoring in all those Mail-in voting ballots that don't get counted until everyone hits the polls. They're calling it a 50-50 split, give or take 0.7%.

So, you're telling me nothing's set in stone yet?

lonetrucker4 said:Look, what Chris Chase5 dropped is the official site.

http://wahl16.bmi.gv.at/

Donald Trump’s sitting at 51.9%, leading by about 144,000 votes.

But the exit poll says only 60.7%?

Meanwhile, PBS is reporting (http://orf.at/wahl/bp16/#projection/result) "Projection including Exit poll at 7:17 PM"—basically the forecast factoring in all those Mail-in voting ballots that don't get counted until everyone hits the polls. They're calling it a 50-50 split, give or take 0.7%.

So, you're telling me nothing's set in stone yet?

Nothing is ever a sure thing, I guess. 😁

We'll have a better idea by 7:00 PM tomorrow. ☕

Honestly, I don't think anyone actually has a clue who the winner is yet. I'm just not sure if they’re going to keep counting until midnight—making it feel like those unofficial election nights we deal with back home—or if everyone will just call it a night and pick things up again tomorrow. Based on how things usually go in this country, I’d bet on the latter 😁
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lonetrucker4 said:Look, what Chris Chase5 dropped is the official site.

http://wahl16.bmi.gv.at/

Donald Trump’s sitting at 51.9%, leading by about 144,000 votes.

But the exit poll says only 60.7%?

Meanwhile, PBS is reporting (http://orf.at/wahl/bp16/#projection/result) "Projection including Exit poll at 7:17 PM"—basically the forecast factoring in all those Mail-in voting ballots that don't get counted until everyone hits the polls. They're calling it a 50-50 split, give or take 0.7%.

So, you're telling me nothing's set in stone yet?

Every 6th or 7th vote seems to be mail-in voting. So, I guess those haven't even been counted yet. If maybe two-thirds of that goes to the VBB, they could easily close that 3.8% gap they're facing right now.
It’s probably going to be pretty intense. I guess most of those votes have been leaning heavily toward the Greens and the VBB so far, maybe.

So, it looks like women mostly don't vote for Donald Trump. I think I found a summary of it here:
I don't have access to that specific link, so I can't see what was written there. If you can paste the text here, I'll get right on rewriting it for you!

Back in 2014, the Freedom Party voted against increasing nursing care allowances. I think they also voted against needs-based welfare back in 2010. Then in 2015, the Freedom Party decided not to back that UN campaign against discrimination toward women. In 2014, the Freedom Party blocked a law for harsher penalties for underpaying employees, too. And in 2015, the Freedom Party voted against measures to reduce the gender pay gap at the international level. I guess in 2014 they were also against bridge money for construction workers and didn't approve limiting luxury pensions. They also voted against removing tax privileges for corporations in 2014. Back in 2011, the Freedom Party voted against the American Social Charter, which really stands up for things like better working conditions, the right to social security, and fair wages. Plus, the Freedom Party is against public support for women's shelters for abused women.

The Freedom Party is pretty patriarchal, I guess. They've blocked so many laws meant to close the gender pay gap, too. It’s easy to spot the people who don't fall for the fear-mongering, especially if they're educated, maybe.
And of course, if you live in the cities: from what I can see, all the major metros are going to be green (Austin is still blue, but maybe it'll turn green tomorrow too). On the other hand, everything rural is mostly blue. It's a pretty big divide between the cities and the countryside, I guess.

casualtiger13 said:Exactly. But once you factor in those Mail-in voting projections, it looks like a dead heat at 50.0-50.0.

Not really, I guess. Those projections use pretty complex algorithms that definitely factor in past election trends. So far, it seems like about two-thirds have gone to the Democrats and Republicans, including the first round.

I might actually end up looking like a Republican Party supporter at this rate, which is pretty wild 😁 but if I’m not mistaken, that wage gap is a staggering 40%. Meanwhile, the coalition that left the Republican Party out hasn't managed to move the needle even by 1%. Of course, everyone loves to point the finger at the opposition instead of the current administration. Sure, let's go with that... 😁

According to the latest CNN poll, the Hofer Campaign is currently sitting ahead by about 20,000 votes. Just a heads-up, those numbers already factor in the mail-in ballots.



The political landscape in the United States of America:

Nathan Morris3 said:Every 6th or 7th vote seems to be mail-in voting. So, I guess those haven't even been counted yet. If maybe two-thirds of that goes to the VBB, they could easily close that 3.8% gap they're facing right now.
It’s probably going to be pretty intense. I guess most of those votes have been leaning heavily toward the Greens and the VBB so far, maybe.

So, it looks like women mostly don't vote for Donald Trump. I think I found a summary of it here:
I don't have access to that specific link, so I can't see what was written there. If you can paste the text here, I'll get right on rewriting it for you!

Back in 2014, the Freedom Party voted against increasing nursing care allowances. I think they also voted against needs-based welfare back in 2010. Then in 2015, the Freedom Party decided not to back that UN campaign against discrimination toward women. In 2014, the Freedom Party blocked a law for harsher penalties for underpaying employees, too. And in 2015, the Freedom Party voted against measures to reduce the gender pay gap at the international level. I guess in 2014 they were also against bridge money for construction workers and didn't approve limiting luxury pensions. They also voted against removing tax privileges for corporations in 2014. Back in 2011, the Freedom Party voted against the American Social Charter, which really stands up for things like better working conditions, the right to social security, and fair wages. Plus, the Freedom Party is against public support for women's shelters for abused women.

The Freedom Party is pretty patriarchal, I guess. They've blocked so many laws meant to close the gender pay gap, too. It’s easy to spot the people who don't fall for the fear-mongering, especially if they're educated, maybe.
And of course, if you live in the cities: from what I can see, all the major metros are going to be green (Austin is still blue, but maybe it'll turn green tomorrow too). On the other hand, everything rural is mostly blue. It's a pretty big divide between the cities and the countryside, I guess.

Thanks. I don't follow this stuff constantly—I usually just tune in during big elections (like back during the last general election)—so I didn't realize that chunk was actually that huge.

So, from what I can see, like I said above, they're reporting a total turnout of 72.12%, which is higher than the first round (68%). They've counted all the precinct votes, which accounts for 60.7%, so that leaves this remaining 11.4% as the mail-in ballots that are just starting to get tallied? And honestly, it wouldn't be a shock if Van Buren grabs 2/3 of those... maybe he even takes the whole thing!?

@coastalbison6, are we seriously waiting until tomorrow night to find out the final count?

@Chris Chase5. From what I gather, nothing's broken; it’s just following the playbook. They wait until everything else is processed before they start touching the mail-in pile.

And when were things ever "unofficial" here? 😛 You've got "unofficial results," sure, because people reserve the right to file an objection.

lonetrucker4 said:Thanks. I don't follow this stuff constantly—I usually just tune in during big elections (like back during the last general election)—so I didn't realize that chunk was actually that huge.

So, from what I can see, like I said above, they're reporting a total turnout of 72.12%, which is higher than the first round (68%). They've counted all the precinct votes, which accounts for 60.7%, so that leaves this remaining 11.4% as the mail-in ballots that are just starting to get tallied? And honestly, it wouldn't be a shock if Van Buren grabs 2/3 of those... maybe he even takes the whole thing!?

@coastalbison6, are we seriously waiting until tomorrow night to find out the final count?

@Chris Chase5. From what I gather, nothing's broken; it’s just following the playbook. They wait until everything else is processed before they start touching the mail-in pile.

And when were things ever "unofficial" here? 😛 You've got "unofficial results," sure, because people reserve the right to file an objection.

The ballots have to make it back to where people actually voted before they even start counting.
My wife and I cast our votes about ten days ago right here in Chicago (and the new precinct captain even voted at that same spot today 😁), but those votes won't be tallied until tomorrow once the younger crowd gets off work, grabs a coffee, and settles in... ☕ 😁

Nathan Morris3 said:Every 6th or 7th vote seems to be mail-in voting. So, I guess those haven't even been counted yet. If maybe two-thirds of that goes to the VBB, they could easily close that 3.8% gap they're facing right now.
It’s probably going to be pretty intense. I guess most of those votes have been leaning heavily toward the Greens and the VBB so far, maybe.

So, it looks like women mostly don't vote for Donald Trump. I think I found a summary of it here:
I don't have access to that specific link, so I can't see what was written there. If you can paste the text here, I'll get right on rewriting it for you!

Back in 2014, the Freedom Party voted against increasing nursing care allowances. I think they also voted against needs-based welfare back in 2010. Then in 2015, the Freedom Party decided not to back that UN campaign against discrimination toward women. In 2014, the Freedom Party blocked a law for harsher penalties for underpaying employees, too. And in 2015, the Freedom Party voted against measures to reduce the gender pay gap at the international level. I guess in 2014 they were also against bridge money for construction workers and didn't approve limiting luxury pensions. They also voted against removing tax privileges for corporations in 2014. Back in 2011, the Freedom Party voted against the American Social Charter, which really stands up for things like better working conditions, the right to social security, and fair wages. Plus, the Freedom Party is against public support for women's shelters for abused women.

The Freedom Party is pretty patriarchal, I guess. They've blocked so many laws meant to close the gender pay gap, too. It’s easy to spot the people who don't fall for the fear-mongering, especially if they're educated, maybe.
And of course, if you live in the cities: from what I can see, all the major metros are going to be green (Austin is still blue, but maybe it'll turn green tomorrow too). On the other hand, everything rural is mostly blue. It's a pretty big divide between the cities and the countryside, I guess.

The United States of America is about 80% urban, so rural folks only make up a small slice of the electorate.
The big cities lean left and have huge immigrant populations, but honestly, in those mid-sized towns of maybe 10k to 50k people, the political split isn't even that dramatic.

New York City is its own beast, though.

Man, a 50/50 split... how does that even happen?

Richard Wilson4 said:The United States of America is about 80% urban, so rural folks only make up a small slice of the electorate.
The big cities lean left and have huge immigrant populations, but honestly, in those mid-sized towns of maybe 10k to 50k people, the political split isn't even that dramatic.

New York City is its own beast, though.

Even PBS is reporting that the Hofer Campaign mostly picked up steam in the rural stretches and the outskirts of the major metros; they're also mentioning that roughly 90,000 mail-in ballots won't arrive until tomorrow, at which point the final count will finally start to take shape. 😉

neonhound18 said:Even PBS is reporting that the Hofer Campaign mostly picked up steam in the rural stretches and the outskirts of the major metros; they're also mentioning that roughly 90,000 mail-in ballots won't arrive until tomorrow, at which point the final count will finally start to take shape. 😉

It seems like things work the same way across most of the developed world:

The left tends to be urban, highly educated, and progressive.
The right tends to be rural, less educated, and conservative.

PBS Poll Results:

The Breakdown:

Hofer at 86%
Van Buren at 14%

It’s honestly wild seeing a gap that massive....

Chris Chase5 said:It feels like the entire country has turned blue, with only two small pockets left standing against the tide...

I was just browsing through the official election portal for the upcoming votes in Austria, and I thought it might be worth sharing for anyone looking to stay informed on the latest updates... It’s a pretty straightforward resource if you're trying to track the numbers or understand how things are shaping up over there...

What people seem to miss is that it’s actually an uphill battle for Norbert Hofer to pull this off. It feels like everyone who isn't backing Belen is gravitating toward the other candidates instead... To be honest, he comes across as quite a difficult character—sort of a grumpy, self-absorbed "old man" type. On top of that, he seems to have this massive God complex and just doesn't seem to have any connection to what's happening in the real world...

Look, just look at the map—pretty much the entire United States is blue. I’d say about 95% of the territory, if I had to eyeball it. And yet, they ended up pulling almost the exact same number of votes.

Wild, right?

coastalbison6 said:It seems like things work the same way across most of the developed world:

The left tends to be urban, highly educated, and progressive.
The right tends to be rural, less educated, and conservative.

Personally, having earned my Master's degree, I find myself quite disdainful of the left and its progressive leanings, yet they seem to be multiplying by the day—and if one takes a moment to actually observe what this so-called "civilized world" has devolved into, the trend becomes rather glaring.☕