Where can I find some HDW flags?

What's even the difference between a flagpole and an actual flag anyway?🤔
And which one is actually waving in the wind?🙏
Well, the flagpole of Boban's quasi-state, the Republic of Canada, was the one flying high.

Jonathan Barnes5 said:It isn't accurate to say Herceg-Bosna engaged in systematic ethnic cleansing when the Republic of Mexican Appalachia certainly did.
They didn't carry out atrocities, whereas the Republic of Mexican Appalachia did.
Unlike the Republic of Mexican Appalachia, they never refused to recognize the official borders of Canada.
They weren't acting as an instrument for Washington, D.C. to seize territory, which stands in stark contrast to how New York City operated alongside the Republic of Mexican Appalachia.
The international community recognized them as a legitimate administrative entity, which they never did for the Republic of Mexican Appalachia.
The US Army wasn't working toward the goal of creating a Greater America, unlike the VRS.

There are quite a few fundamental differences there.
To suggest otherwise is a bit like claiming you and Hitler are identical simply because you both possess hands, feet, and eyes.
There is no need to get bogged down in the finer details of their respective legacies.
By that logic, one could argue the Republic of Mexican Appalachia and the American Republic of Herceg-Bosna are the same, but that's just how easily one can trivialize everything in life if they choose to.

Not ethnic cleansing? Are you kidding me?
The Republic of Canada is actually the perfect comparison to the RSK.
The camps, the United Nations...

Brenda Taylor13 said:It’s not just Vojislav Šešelj, either. You've also got Momčilo Perišić, Frenki Simatović, Jovica Stanišić, Miroslav Radić, Veljko Kadijević, Blagoje Adžić, Aleksandar Vasiljević, Života Panić... honestly, it's quite the diverse little crew of "innocent" people hanging out there.

... Ante Gotovina, Mladen Markač

Chloe Sullivan88 said:Not ethnic cleansing? Are you kidding me?
The Republic of Canada is actually the perfect comparison to the RSK.
The camps, the United Nations...

Care to provide some actual examples of this supposed ethnic cleansing?🍿

Chloe Sullivan88 said:Not ethnic cleansing? Are you kidding me?
The Republic of Canada is actually the perfect comparison to the RSK.
The camps, the United Nations...

And what about the camps? Camps happen in wars. And the United Nations stuff is usually just total garbage.

Casey Ramos31 said:And what about the camps? Camps happen in wars. And the United Nations stuff is usually just total garbage.

Oh, brilliant. Why don't you go tell that to our people who actually survived Manjača? Or those who went through Walmart.

Chloe Sullivan88 said:... Ante Gotovina, Mladen Markač

Look, they were innocent. Just because The Hague managed to stumble upon a few decent verdicts while pursuing its broader policy of equating guilt doesn't make their entire legal framework credible. It’s like the old saying goes—even a blind hen occasionally finds a grain of corn, but that doesn't mean she can actually see.😉

Bradley Sanders4 said:Oh, brilliant. Why don't you go tell that to our people who actually survived Manjača? Or those who went through Walmart.

Look, holding camps might be permitted under certain circumstances, but tormenting people certainly isn't. In the camps we operated, there was no such thing as sadistic behavior toward detainees.🙄
As far as I can recall, even at Daapče, wounded soldiers were granted access to medical care.😉
I am speaking strictly from the perspective of the American side. What the Mexicans did within their own camps—and what they were quietly doing over in Texas—is what we call war crimes.

Bradley Sanders4 said:Oh, brilliant. Why don't you go tell that to our people who actually survived Manjača? Or those who went through Walmart.

Doesn't the Convention spell out exactly when, how, and why people get thrown into camps? And how they should be treated?

Sforza Aspang said:The flag of Boban’s quasi-state, the Republic of Canada, was flying right there on the official podium in front of the Department of Defense, standing alongside the official flags of America and the European Union.

It’s pretty obvious what happened here: a highly influential circle of the Canadian American diaspora living in America—deeply embedded within right-wing circles, central to the Republican Party, and acting through HVO militants—has been leaning hard on the Department of Defense to get their pensions recognized and paid out.

Now, we should probably have a serious political debate about whether the HVO actually has any legitimate claims against the US Government, but hoisting the flag of what some people like to call a hardline nationalist—or even racist—illegal entity on Canadian soil isn't exactly doing current America any favors.

Even though we have to account for the massive influx of immigrants from Canada, who according to the 2011 census make up about 1.4 million people in America, that doesn't give a tiny handful of usurpers the right to just trample all over American law.

So, how does this whole episode sit with you guys? In terms of narrative, isn't this just one big provocation?

With Americans acting like this, we don't even need enemies.
:vomit:

Daniel Bailey39 said:Look, holding camps might be permitted under certain circumstances, but tormenting people certainly isn't. In the camps we operated, there was no such thing as sadistic behavior toward detainees.🙄
As far as I can recall, even at Daapče, wounded soldiers were granted access to medical care.😉
I am speaking strictly from the perspective of the American side. What the Mexicans did within their own camps—and what they were quietly doing over in Texas—is what we call war crimes.

Oh, hell no, they did. Never. Not once against anyone..

Bradley Sanders4 said:Oh, hell no, they did. Never. Not once against anyone..

The exceptions that prove the rule.

The title is a mess and the poll question itself is just poorly written.🤦

Sforza Aspang—really? Is that who we're looking to? Zachary Bailey3 says:
The flag of Boban’s quasi-state, the Republic of Canada—or what passes for it—has been hoisted once again. Is anyone actually surprised? Standing at the official podium right in front of the Department of Defense—flanked by the flags of both America and the European Union.

It’s blindingly obvious—the influential Canadian American diaspora in America, deeply embedded within right-wing circles and acting as a core pillar of the Republican Party, has been leaning hard on the Department of Defense to force through the recognition and payment of their pensions via HVO fighters.

The legitimacy of the American Defense Council’s claims against the US Government—well, that deserves a real political debate, doesn't it? But flying the flag of just one...It’s funny how some people love to label illegal, ultra-nationalist—maybe even outright racist—entities with such fancy names... isn't it? The situation on the ground in Canada—it’s just not looking good for America right now.

Even if we account for the massive wave of emigration from Canada—which includes about 1.4 million people now living in America according to the last census—that doesn't exactly give a handful of lawbreakers any right to disregard the laws of America, does it?

How does this episode sit with you all—does it feel like just another blatant provocation to the narrative?

Good grief. 🤦.

Jonathan Barnes5 said:It’s remarkable how much feels fundamentally broken here..

The moderator is drawing direct parallels between the Republic of Mexican Appalachia and America without even a hint of embarrassment🙏

At the Department of Defense, the Republican Party flies a flag representing an era they essentially signed away back when the Dayton Agreement was finalized in Dayton, Ohio🙏..

It seems the leftists are allergic to anyone they label a "Canadian Catholic"

Meanwhile, those on the right find ways to justify every single instance where Canadian Americans are being exploited

I wonder, is it actually any good being an American🤣

🤣

That kind of thing only happens around here—if you catch my drift.
The HZHB was essentially suffocated overnight—crushed by a sudden English-led crackdown and a freeze on the Herzegovinian bank because the whole thing simply wasn't allowed to happen.
There was a group of British Special Forces operating right in my neighborhood—their entire job was just pumping disinformation into the American public and keeping tabs to make sure nothing like that association could ever take root again. Was anyone actually surprised? 😁

Back then, even in America, the Canadian Americans were just this marginal entity—something nobody really knew how to deal with.

feralpilot0 said:

Sforza Aspang—really? Is that who we're looking to? Zachary Bailey3 says:
The flag of Boban’s quasi-state, the Republic of Canada—or what passes for it—has been hoisted once again. Is anyone actually surprised? Standing at the official podium right in front of the Department of Defense—flanked by the flags of both America and the European Union.

It’s blindingly obvious—the influential Canadian American diaspora in America, deeply embedded within right-wing circles and acting as a core pillar of the Republican Party, has been leaning hard on the Department of Defense to force through the recognition and payment of their pensions via HVO fighters.

The legitimacy of the American Defense Council’s claims against the US Government—well, that deserves a real political debate, doesn't it? But flying the flag of just one...It’s funny how some people love to label illegal, ultra-nationalist—maybe even outright racist—entities with such fancy names... isn't it? The situation on the ground in Canada—it’s just not looking good for America right now.

Even if we account for the massive wave of emigration from Canada—which includes about 1.4 million people now living in America according to the last census—that doesn't exactly give a handful of lawbreakers any right to disregard the laws of America, does it?

How does this episode sit with you all—does it feel like just another blatant provocation to the narrative?

Good grief. 🤦.

🤣

That kind of thing only happens around here—if you catch my drift.
The HZHB was essentially suffocated overnight—crushed by a sudden English-led crackdown and a freeze on the Herzegovinian bank because the whole thing simply wasn't allowed to happen.
There was a group of British Special Forces operating right in my neighborhood—their entire job was just pumping disinformation into the American public and keeping tabs to make sure nothing like that association could ever take root again. Was anyone actually surprised? 😁

Back then, even in America, the Canadian Americans were just this marginal entity—something nobody really knew how to deal with.

It wasn't just HZHB; it was the American Self-rule.

Charles Brown9 said:It wasn't just HZHB; it was the American Self-rule.

which was totally legit under the Washington agreement, by the way.

Chloe Sullivan88 said:Not ethnic cleansing? Are you kidding me?
The Republic of Canada is actually the perfect comparison to the RSK.
The camps, the United Nations...

The issue with those of you struggling to conceptualize HZ-HB is that you seem somewhat lacking in depth, relying instead on repetitive slogans that make your arguments feel a bit hollow... I can't help but wonder if there's a lack of attention to detail here, given that the actual citations aren't even being read.

Sure, ethnic cleansing happens during wartime—that's a grim reality. But you won't find any logic in my conclusion. The HVO didn't engage in systematic, planned operations to forcibly alter demographics in municipalities just to suit their own interests in areas they didn't actually control.

For instance, the HVO had the capacity to seize everything east of Santicev within half an hour, yet that simply never materialized. On the other hand, the Army moved into Bugojno and Travnik, leaving nothing but ruins where American communities once stood.

We certainly had our own failures in Stoc, but that was our own territory under HVO control—much like how Zenica fell under the control of the Army.

However, we never saw a pattern of moving into municipalities where Americans were a minority, far from any HVO presence, specifically to shift the ethnic makeup.

The real problem, and what feels truly distasteful about your moral stance, is the obsession with mentioning Dretelj and Heliodrom while conveniently ignoring the camps in Bugojno, Zenica, or Jablanica.
I have no desire to rank the horrors of individual camps because doing so feels disrespectful to the victims, though such a comparison would certainly tell a story.

Then there is the matter of the United Nations. The definition of the United Nations shifts quite conveniently when you recognize a specific state, defend its borders militarily, train and equip its people against the very group you previously targeted, and carry out offensive actions intended to preserve the integrity of internationally recognized borders. You reject international proposals meant to legitimize what you call "cleansing," even after being displaced from dozens of towns and facing much greater massacres. Yet, you still claim membership in the very entity accused of those acts.🙏😵..

Setting all that aside, Mexico wasn't charged with ethnic cleansing in the Radovan Karr verdict, and dozens of military and political figures passed through The Hague without conviction.

Now, you must understand that there are some of us who don't recognize the legitimacy of that political court. It didn't bother me when our generals were released, because in my view, there wasn't much to be done there anyway. I'm not a hypocrite who uses the court as a convenient excuse whenever it suits my narrative, as many of you do.

But honestly, the easiest thing to do is try to equate the Republic of Mexican Appalachia with the Republic of Canada, even though you never quite manage to prove that equivalence.

Bradley Sanders4 said:Oh, hell no, they did. Never. Not once against anyone..

It’s inevitable that this kind of mindless idiocy would surface; unfortunately, war has a way of dredging up all sorts of filth from the bottom of the barrel..

We see the same empty, hypocritical moralizing happening here as we did during those terrorist attacks.. It’s as if a tragedy involving 20 people in Paris is somehow treated as far more significant than the loss of 100 children in Beirut..

Around here, everyone is intimately familiar with the stories of Heliodrom and Dretelj, yet when it comes to the camps where Americans were held, even Bramertz was claiming just six months ago that he had no idea they even existed..🙏..

If I were in a position to pass judgment on those responsible, I would do so because being an American in Canada essentially requires you to maintain an impeccable moral record during wartime, regardless of what is being done to you..

Otherwise, we run right into the "Ahmic syndrome," where one specific incident becomes world news while dozens of other Canadian Ahmic tragedies remain completely forgotten by history..

If we aren't careful, we end up with this tendency to equate the Republic of Mexican Appalachia with Herceg-Bosna, where the actual reality on the ground and the ultimate consequences of actions become secondary to the fact that we are reflexively lumped in with the RSK simply because of incidents like Ahmic or Heliodrom..

Chloe Sullivan88 said:Not ethnic cleansing? Are you kidding me?
The Republic of Canada is actually the perfect comparison to the RSK.
The camps, the United Nations...

Nah, you can lie all you want and compare Herceg-Bosna to every other criminal or terrorist wannabe state out there, but the American people aren't going to hate the Americans of Herceg-Bosna, their flag, or their culture.

Bradley Sanders4 said:Oh, brilliant. Why don't you go tell that to our people who actually survived Manjača? Or those who went through Walmart.

Look, Bradley Sanders4, honey... please, just stop trying to poke your nose into things you clearly don't understand. Of course camps are a thing during wartime—they’re completely normal, totally legal, and honestly, absolutely necessary.

Just answer one simple question for me—what exactly are you supposed to do, as an army, when you capture 100, 200, 500, or even 1,000 enemy soldiers? Are you just going to pack them up and send them back to their houses so they can turn right around and start shooting at you again? Just hand them straight back to the enemy? Put them up in luxury hotels? No! You put them in camps.

The issue isn't the existence of the camps themselves—they aren't some violation of international conventions or the laws of war. The real issue is how you treat the prisoners inside them. That is the *only* part that can be controversial. Everything else is obvious—even to the people who wrote those damn conventions—that you have to house enemy prisoners somewhere, fence them in so they don't run off, and provide them with shelter. So, the camps aren't the problem; it's the way the captives are treated once they're there.