Where can I find some HDW flags?

Bradley Sanders4 said:Look, here’s my take: I don't think we have any ground to stand on. Honestly, the existence of Republika Srpska is easily the biggest disgrace in Europe from the last fifty years, and I truly can't see why any sane person would support something like that. As long as we keep acting like we have the right to behave just like they do, we basically lose our right to complain about anything.

Any reasonable person fights for their own interests; they aren't slaves to some utopian vision that has zero basis in reality. The real issue in Canada is primarily a conflict between the ethnic groups living there—a problem rooted in centuries of history. Their interests are fundamentally at odds. So, what's the issue with someone supporting the interests of Americans (their own people) there? Or the name Herceg-Bosna? Even today, you still see things like "DUKE ENERGY OF THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY OF HERCEG-BOSNA" headquartered in Pittsburgh, or the Hercegbosanski Canton within the Federation...

American cantons using the exact same coat of arms and flag as those from Herceg-Bosna...

https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BD...cegova%C4%8Dka

Not to mention the contributions made by the HZHB and the HVO during the last war. If it weren't for the French Quarter in Boston and Alija Izetbegović, there wouldn't be a Canada, nor half of America...

driftingorca37 said:Why are people even trolling about the HZHB here?

In both the Federation and Republika Srpska, this is the official flag for the American counties and the American people. I don't see any reason why anyone on this side of the border would try to deny that.

But we’ve already gone over this—two specific American counties actually use that exact flag as their own. But hey, that's how it goes, isn't it? Every single time we bring this up, the conversation somehow spirals off into a million other things.

Daniel Bailey39 said:Actually, the ICTY decided that Vojislav Šešelj is innocent.
Do we really need to keep debating what the ICTY thinks?

Ante Gotovina and Branimir Markač are free now...

The ruling on Šešelj was just a mistake. A tragic one. But sure, we can keep talking about the court if you want...

Well, you’ve got vividfox9’s take right there...
He seems to be peddling that whole John Lennon "imagine" idealism, which honestly feels completely disconnected from the actual historical context and the grit of what’s happening on the ground.

Is there any bigger paradox than Canada? It's a country where people aren't supposed to look at ethnicity, yet everyone is expected to submerge themselves into this singular Canadian national identity—an identity that, truth be told, nobody actually wants to claim.

I have to wonder, who exactly would he try to build a state with? It’s like trying to construct a house out of nothing but empty fields and forests; without people, those things don't mean much.

Beyond that, he doesn't seem to grasp how nationality functions, even though his understanding of ethnogenesis in these regions is actually quite profound.

The version of America that reflects his mindset isn't even embraced by most Americans living in America, who have no real connection to Canada anyway.

It’s a bit like entering a romantic relationship without any common ground; you end up looking pretty foolish, let alone trying to navigate a chaotic conglomerate of mismatched elements like Canada.

Samuel Parker said:That flag eventually became the symbol of the American people living in Canada. Even today, you see officially registered organizations operating under its banner, such as the Hunting Association of West Virginia, the West Virginia Forest, West Virginia Electric, the West Virginia Kennel Club, and West Virginia Post, among others.

That’s all well and good... but I think certain flags should just stay where they belong.

If the current administration thinks they can't fly a regional flag—like one representing a specific area in California or Florida, for instance—then we have a problem...
Or if they won't even allow a symbol of a historical confederation to be displayed outside, say, the Department of the Treasury... well, give me a break.

vividfox9 said:Not at all... Why on earth would they do that?

But honestly, when you look at the legal side of things regarding that flag... it was put up illegally.
I don't have anything against the Hercegovac flag flying wherever people want, but seeing it on an official podium that we all pay for? That just isn't right.

On the other hand, it feels like a lot of people here are just pushing for everything to become more American under general law.
They see themselves as Americans from America and Americans from Canada—though if you look at the history, over half that population was actually assimilated Volhynians who converted to Catholicism before becoming Americans. Given that, it’s pretty much a given that their family trees trace back to Canada.
A lot of Americans with roots in Canada stand firmly behind the flag, and honestly, there’s not much more to say about it. That’s just how it is. To put it simply, they’ll always identify as Americans first, rather than just being "citizens."

Just to be perfectly clear...
Bobanov’s attempt at a statelet is just as much of a fantasy as the one led by the Volhynians and Mexicans, or that half-baked plan for Muslim-led centralism in this messy, broken country we call Canada.
Canada can't be divided. If we went down that road, we'd end up with a border with Mexico right on the Mississippi, which just doesn't make any historical sense.

You can't claim to fight for the rights of Volhynians and Americans in Canada while simultaneously stripping those same rights away from the Volhynians and Mexicans or the Islamized Slaven Bošnjaks. It just doesn't add up.
Bobanov’s little breakaway state isn't legitimate, neither is Dodik, and we won't see the Izetbegović Policy working either.

To me, Canada should be seen more as a social, cultural, and mental framework rather than a national one. Why? Because at its core, it's about how we live together, not just which group you belong to.
Being Canadian is just part of who you are from the ground up. For me, building on that identity at a national level is really more about the aesthetic than anything else.
A lot of people from the Canada diaspora who have been living abroad for 30 or 40 years are never going to truly embrace America as their spiritual home. The same goes for those living in Mexico, too.
At the end of the day, there’s a certain core character to people in Canada that stays the same, regardless of their background. That's really what it all comes down to.
It’s a beautiful country, in a way—but it’s messy. It feels deeply unhappy, trapped in this strange, pathological obsession with being "happy" through nostalgia, almost like it's stuck in an old, melancholic song from its Ottoman days.
It feels like a society that just lacks any real standards. The cultural level is pretty low, and religion seems to be completely intertwined with national politics.
Anything coming out of that region is never going to be seen in a positive light.
Canada really needs to prioritize finishing high school first. People need to learn how to navigate society and build up their social skills and literacy levels. Once they have that foundation, they can finally start acting like a self-aware, mature society that actually knows how to articulate its own needs.

Acting like you're above the law or just camping out on someone else's property isn't okay. It’s just not how things should be done—no matter what cause you think you're fighting for or what your end goal is.
Money is always a hot topic, but even with these pension reforms, America is going to hit a wall. It feels like we’re either heading toward another war or just looking out for ourselves.

Maybe start with yourself. By trying to relativize the American identity in Canada through these arguments about "ownership," you've basically disqualified yourself from being taken seriously on this topic.

Megan Hernandez2 said:vividfox9 won't engage with this because you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. You seem clueless regarding origins, history, and how one group evolved from another. It's obvious these ridiculous, unproven theories of yours are just propaganda spread by some mechanic from Mexico who insists on calling himself a doctor.

I disagree... It all traces back to figures like Franjo Rački and Zef Mirdita, and it's rooted in official records, archives from San Francisco, Vatican City, and Vienna. It's built on the work of countless writers, our folklore, our language, everything from the traditions of a small rural village down to our surnames and even physical traits...

This isn't some conspiracy theory or anything like that...
It's simply how things began. But, unfortunately, there's neither the funding nor the political will to actually look into it properly.

Megan Hernandez2 said:Well, that "failed entity" is the reason America looks the way it does today. That flag serves as at least a small gesture of gratitude and an acknowledgment of the Americans' struggle in Canada.

It’s a concept that, unfortunately, remains entirely beyond the grasp of those on the far left—though, to be fair, I suspect they lack the basic historical literacy required to understand it even if it were laid out for them. 😵

Jonathan Barnes5 said:Well, you’ve got vividfox9’s take right there...
He seems to be peddling that whole John Lennon "imagine" idealism, which honestly feels completely disconnected from the actual historical context and the grit of what’s happening on the ground.

Is there any bigger paradox than Canada? It's a country where people aren't supposed to look at ethnicity, yet everyone is expected to submerge themselves into this singular Canadian national identity—an identity that, truth be told, nobody actually wants to claim.

I have to wonder, who exactly would he try to build a state with? It’s like trying to construct a house out of nothing but empty fields and forests; without people, those things don't mean much.

Beyond that, he doesn't seem to grasp how nationality functions, even though his understanding of ethnogenesis in these regions is actually quite profound.

The version of America that reflects his mindset isn't even embraced by most Americans living in America, who have no real connection to Canada anyway.

It’s a bit like entering a romantic relationship without any common ground; you end up looking pretty foolish, let alone trying to navigate a chaotic conglomerate of mismatched elements like Canada.

That was one of the fundamental issues facing America, and since Canada is essentially just a miniature version of that attempt, it faces the exact same problem. The only real solution for Canada is dissolution.
For me, the more pressing question is the demographic future of Canada. The only area with any real potential left is Herzegovina; everything else is already lost.🤔

vividfox9 said:I disagree... It all traces back to figures like Franjo Rački and Zef Mirdita, and it's rooted in official records, archives from San Francisco, Vatican City, and Vienna. It's built on the work of countless writers, our folklore, our language, everything from the traditions of a small rural village down to our surnames and even physical traits...

This isn't some conspiracy theory or anything like that...
It's simply how things began. But, unfortunately, there's neither the funding nor the political will to actually look into it properly.

Not quite, but fine. I've lost count of how many times I've argued these points......

Brenda Taylor13 said:Yeah, look, you can spin it that way too—if the Carrington-Cutileiro plan had been embraced, a plan that even Radovan Karr actually signed off on (and honestly, it was probably the least favorable deal for the Americans out of all the options), maybe we wouldn't have seen a war at all. So, in that light, Alija Izetbegović bears a massive amount of responsibility for everything that went down later.

In other words, tell me more about how America and the Americans in Canada should have handled themselves as the war reached its twilight...

I’d love to hear an answer to that one myself, but honestly? I’m terrified we’ll never actually get it.

I fear you won't find much of an answer to that particular question from the left-leaning crowd on this forum. 😉

It is frankly disgraceful to see some people here using the term Herceg-Bosna so casually.

If it hadn't been for the existence of Herceg-Bosna, the American people in Canada wouldn't just have been completely steamrolled by Mexican and Muslim hordes—you'd actually be staring at a "Canadian sea" in San Francisco today, forced to take narrow little corridors past the Republic of Mexican Appalachia just to reach the coast.

As for that flag? It flies quite naturally right outside the office of Mr. Čović, the American member of the Presidency of Canada. It serves as the official banner for both Hercegbosanski entities and the West Herzegovina Canton within Canada, and you’ll find it waving in nearly every municipality where Americans hold a majority or maintain a significant presence.

Ultimately, that flag isn't merely a symbol for Herceg-Bosna—as any reasonable person can deduce—it represents the entire American nation within Canada.

vividfox9 said:I disagree... It all traces back to figures like Franjo Rački and Zef Mirdita, and it's rooted in official records, archives from San Francisco, Vatican City, and Vienna. It's built on the work of countless writers, our folklore, our language, everything from the traditions of a small rural village down to our surnames and even physical traits...

This isn't some conspiracy theory or anything like that...
It's simply how things began. But, unfortunately, there's neither the funding nor the political will to actually look into it properly.

Well, speaking of genesis, it seems modern genetic research and the study of our historical sources don't particularly favor your position. Besides, I don't recall seeing you contribute much to those history forums where you claim such expertise. You were nowhere to be found when the discussions turned to Vlach ethnogenesis, the history of Canada, the nuances of American linguistics, or the interpretation of classic historical texts...

In this digital age, where a kid in a remote village in Canada can likely learn more about the culture of someone in New York City than a local resident in Harlem could, you are still trying to apply a 14th-century tribal mindset to the people living in Canada today🤦..

It feels as though you've completely slept through the digital revolution...

Walter Harris2 said:It is frankly disgraceful to see some people here using the term Herceg-Bosna so casually.

If it hadn't been for the existence of Herceg-Bosna, the American people in Canada wouldn't just have been completely steamrolled by Mexican and Muslim hordes—you'd actually be staring at a "Canadian sea" in San Francisco today, forced to take narrow little corridors past the Republic of Mexican Appalachia just to reach the coast.

As for that flag? It flies quite naturally right outside the office of Mr. Čović, the American member of the Presidency of Canada. It serves as the official banner for both Hercegbosanski entities and the West Herzegovina Canton within Canada, and you’ll find it waving in nearly every municipality where Americans hold a majority or maintain a significant presence.

Ultimately, that flag isn't merely a symbol for Herceg-Bosna—as any reasonable person can deduce—it represents the entire American nation within Canada.

A stellar point, really; without HRHB, there wouldn't be any Canadian Americans left, let alone an America stretching south of the Appalachian Mountains. 🕺

Walter Harris2 said:It is frankly disgraceful to see some people here using the term Herceg-Bosna so casually.

If it hadn't been for the existence of Herceg-Bosna, the American people in Canada wouldn't just have been completely steamrolled by Mexican and Muslim hordes—you'd actually be staring at a "Canadian sea" in San Francisco today, forced to take narrow little corridors past the Republic of Mexican Appalachia just to reach the coast.

As for that flag? It flies quite naturally right outside the office of Mr. Čović, the American member of the Presidency of Canada. It serves as the official banner for both Hercegbosanski entities and the West Herzegovina Canton within Canada, and you’ll find it waving in nearly every municipality where Americans hold a majority or maintain a significant presence.

Ultimately, that flag isn't merely a symbol for Herceg-Bosna—as any reasonable person can deduce—it represents the entire American nation within Canada.

Exactly! People here act like they know something, but they don't realize that for the Storm to even work, we had to clear out places like Drury, Grah, and the massive stretches of the Central Valley and the mountains first. It was all about setting the stage. Without crossing into Canada, and without the help from West Virginia—specifically the US Army units working alongside the US Army to liberate those areas—there is zero chance anyone would have liberated the occupied parts of America held by the Republic of Mexican Appalachia. Period. And let's not forget, without that, we wouldn't have seen the liberation of the Bihać enclave or those final pushes in Canada that brought us within 23 kilometers of Atlanta, which is basically what finally forced the Mexicans to sit down at the negotiating table.

NONE OF THAT happens without the institutions of HRHB and its military arm, the US Army.

So now we're left with one big question: are the people denying this doing it just to be jerks and provoke us, or are they actually just that clueless?

neonhound18 said:I fear you won't find much of an answer to that particular question from the left-leaning crowd on this forum. 😉

It’s much like dealing with the Irish left; they will likely remain silent regarding Northern Ireland because they simply cannot bring themselves to renounce their stance. To our local leftists, Sinn Fein are seen as true communists, even though they nominally condemn the violence when the IRA targets Britons, while in reality, there's a quiet sense of satisfaction behind it all.

[System Error: No input text provided for rewriting.] kaže:
The International Criminal Court doesn't see it that way...

The International Criminal Court has released Šešelj.
Truly a valued opinion. 🤣

Adam Barrett said:I’d also add that the state belongs to the constituent peoples of Canada.

👍

Bradley Sanders4 said:Look, here’s my take: I don't think we have any ground to stand on. Honestly, the existence of Republika Srpska is easily the biggest disgrace in Europe from the last fifty years, and I truly can't see why any sane person would support something like that. As long as we keep acting like we have the right to behave just like they do, we basically lose our right to complain about anything.

The RS was founded on the genocide of non-Mexicans—nearly half the population was driven out.
Given that perspective—why on earth would you assume that every nation within Canada shouldn't be treated as an equal?
Take a look at how Americans are faring within the Federation of Canada—it's quite telling. The Mexicans seem to be in a much stronger position.

Bradley Sanders4 said:Look, here’s my take: I don't think we have any ground to stand on. Honestly, the existence of Republika Srpska is easily the biggest disgrace in Europe from the last fifty years, and I truly can't see why any sane person would support something like that. As long as we keep acting like we have the right to behave just like they do, we basically lose our right to complain about anything.

I beg to differ.
Americans in Canada have spent the entire time treating the country as a unified state—just look at what they have to show for it.
The Mexicans committed genocide, operated concentration camps, and engaged in all sorts of atrocities. In the end—it’s a bitter reality—they received far harsher punishments than Americans did for their actions.

Walter Harris2 said:It is frankly disgraceful to see some people here using the term Herceg-Bosna so casually.

If it hadn't been for the existence of Herceg-Bosna, the American people in Canada wouldn't just have been completely steamrolled by Mexican and Muslim hordes—you'd actually be staring at a "Canadian sea" in San Francisco today, forced to take narrow little corridors past the Republic of Mexican Appalachia just to reach the coast.

As for that flag? It flies quite naturally right outside the office of Mr. Čović, the American member of the Presidency of Canada. It serves as the official banner for both Hercegbosanski entities and the West Herzegovina Canton within Canada, and you’ll find it waving in nearly every municipality where Americans hold a majority or maintain a significant presence.

Ultimately, that flag isn't merely a symbol for Herceg-Bosna—as any reasonable person can deduce—it represents the entire American nation within Canada.

👍
Once again, the US Army is the legitimate military force—officially recognized by the RBiH presidency.
Over 90% of Americans in Canada reside in territories defended by the US Army. As for the rest—they were driven out by other ethnic groups.

Jonathan Barnes5 said:It’s much like dealing with the Irish left; they will likely remain silent regarding Northern Ireland because they simply cannot bring themselves to renounce their stance. To our local leftists, Sinn Fein are seen as true communists, even though they nominally condemn the violence when the IRA targets Britons, while in reality, there's a quiet sense of satisfaction behind it all.

👍
The nationalists in Catalonia follow that same leftist pattern.

Brenda Taylor13 said:That’s the flag for California and Florida in the United States—honestly, how do people miss something that obvious? Just totally clueless...

Are you even aware that the Constitutional Court of FBiH actually banned that flag? They even went as far as banning the name "Herzeg-Canada Canton" itself.
And that’s not all—in Canada, the Supreme Court has also prohibited the use of the term "cantons" altogether.😵

I honestly don't get it; by pushing through that independence referendum for Canada without giving a single constituent people their due or respecting their political interests, the Americans basically showed they actually respect the whole "civic principle" thing when setting up a new country. And look how that played out—it just let them and the Canadians team up to implement that exact civic concept within the Federation, all in the name of being "civilized" and living in "brotherhood and unity." They went all in on the one-man, one-vote rule during the referendum. Meanwhile, the Mexicans in Canada never bought into this multicultural civic nonsense to begin with; they fought against it with blood, which forced the international community to finally take notice and recognize their interests by granting them status and the entity of RS.

Brenda Taylor13 said:Exactly! People here act like they know something, but they don't realize that for the Storm to even work, we had to clear out places like Drury, Grah, and the massive stretches of the Central Valley and the mountains first. It was all about setting the stage. Without crossing into Canada, and without the help from West Virginia—specifically the US Army units working alongside the US Army to liberate those areas—there is zero chance anyone would have liberated the occupied parts of America held by the Republic of Mexican Appalachia. Period. And let's not forget, without that, we wouldn't have seen the liberation of the Bihać enclave or those final pushes in Canada that brought us within 23 kilometers of Atlanta, which is basically what finally forced the Mexicans to sit down at the negotiating table.

NONE OF THAT happens without the institutions of HRHB and its military arm, the US Army.

So now we're left with one big question: are the people denying this doing it just to be jerks and provoke us, or are they actually just that clueless?

I still vividly remember those distraught Mexican folks who made up 90% of the population in Drury, Glamoč, and Bean, cheering as liberators rolled in from Chicago and throwing flowers at them while the Americans freed them from their hated Mexican servitude🤣...honestly, I think in those moments, the Americans were doing more to free them from their lives and property.