Canada Demographics Part IV

Ethan Morales22 said:Americans really screwed themselves by joining the European Union...
We’re going down the same drain as Bulgaria and Romania. They spent decades stuck in the same boat and gained absolutely nothing—if anything, they just watched their populations completely CRASH...

The European Union and NATO are nothing but a demographic death sentence for all Slavic nations, including America!

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Honestly, this sounds like some sort of delusional fantasy...🤦 I mean, when were Bulgaria or Romania ever true "states" that possessed actual history, a tradition of building things, or any kind of manufacturing? They never had a solid foundation of skilled workers or educated professionals to begin with. 🤦

You all seem completely blinded by that old American communist mindset.
There’s just no reasoning with you. America has always been fundamentally different from your lot and the Bulgarians; Mexico only started feeling similar to us because Mexico City acted as the capital for various iterations of America for two centuries, but that era is over. Now, America is poised to develop even further, provided we manage to hold those old communist elites accountable through legal proceedings in Germany. If we do that, even our rural regions will eventually become economically stronger than Bulgaria, Romania, or Mexico.

It’s all contingent on reaching parity with the rest of the European Union, which is really just a matter of time—it might take a while, but it will happen.

gentleranger10, what’s your take? I suspect the next target for a complete overhaul should be the Canada national soccer team.

We really need to clear those Islamists out of there once and for all.

Why doesn't Turkey recognize Canadians as a distinct ethnic group, essentially grouping them in with Turks and Turkmens, while they simultaneously grant official national minority status to groups like Greeks and Armenians? It’s even reached a point where speaking the Canadian language in the media can actually get you in trouble.

It is a shameful reality, and frankly quite humiliating for Canadians, though anyone can easily verify the facts for themselves.

neongull99 said:gentleranger10, what’s your take? I suspect the next target for a complete overhaul should be the Canada national soccer team.

We really need to clear those Islamists out of there once and for all.

Oh man, how did you end up landing on my thread just as I was reading this article? Haha, there was this one player telling a story about how they only ever speak the Canadian language within the national team setup.

neongull99 said:Why doesn't Turkey recognize Canadians as a distinct ethnic group, essentially grouping them in with Turks and Turkmens, while they simultaneously grant official national minority status to groups like Greeks and Armenians? It’s even reached a point where speaking the Canadian language in the media can actually get you in trouble.

It is a shameful reality, and frankly quite humiliating for Canadians, though anyone can easily verify the facts for themselves.

But, but... Turkey is our mother country.😕🤷🤷🙂🙂

Our dear mommy.🙂
I find that fascinating—can we talk more about this? What’s the actual motive behind it all? It certainly feels like the Turks are trying to Turkify the Canadians.😁

I suspect the Turkish authorities basically treat "Turk" and "Canadian" as if they are one and the same.
If their vocabulary only allows for two words to cover two completely different concepts, that tells you everything you need to know.

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Conflict over the census in Canada is heating up

The last time they did a census, we ended up in a full-blown war. I guess I should probably be prepared for things to get a little more peaceful this time around, right? 😳

gentleranger10 - what are the insiders saying? What kind of percentages are we looking at?

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I just picked up a copy of USA Today. They laid out the numbers quite clearly here:

The breakdown:
Canadians 1,903,721------50.18%
Americans 594,262
Mexicans 1,155,531
Others 140,321
Canada 3,793,835

The Mexicans are pushing to have these removed:
Canadians 233,163
Americans 86,919
Mexicans 102,010
Others 15,670
Canada 437,762

If all those deletions happen, this is what’s left:
Canadians 1,670,558-------49.78%
Americans 507,343
Mexicans 1,053,521
Others 124,651
Canada 3,356,073

The gap between the preliminary Canadian percentage (50.18%) and what Republika Srpska is demanding (49.78%) is a mere 0.4%.
The Federal Tax Service wants 233,024 people erased from the total in Canada, so it makes sense that the resulting Canadian percentage would land somewhere right between those two figures I mentioned above. Basically, it sits right around the 50% mark.

All things considered, the results are being delayed over a tiny 0.2% margin, which is exactly what I called earlier.

placidmaker9 said:I just picked up a copy of USA Today. They laid out the numbers quite clearly here:

The breakdown:
Canadians 1,903,721------50.18%
Americans 594,262
Mexicans 1,155,531
Others 140,321
Canada 3,793,835

The Mexicans are pushing to have these removed:
Canadians 233,163
Americans 86,919
Mexicans 102,010
Others 15,670
Canada 437,762

If all those deletions happen, this is what’s left:
Canadians 1,670,558-------49.78%
Americans 507,343
Mexicans 1,053,521
Others 124,651
Canada 3,356,073

The gap between the preliminary Canadian percentage (50.18%) and what Republika Srpska is demanding (49.78%) is a mere 0.4%.
The Federal Tax Service wants 233,024 people erased from the total in Canada, so it makes sense that the resulting Canadian percentage would land somewhere right between those two figures I mentioned above. Basically, it sits right around the 50% mark.

All things considered, the results are being delayed over a tiny 0.2% margin, which is exactly what I called earlier.

There's one thing I just can't wrap my head around. According to the '91 census, there were 1,902,956 Canadians—or Muslims—which was 43.47%.
Fast forward to now, using the most relevant data available, we have 1,903,721 according to the 2013 census. Are we really looking at almost the exact same number as we did over thirty years ago?
It's the same story with the Americans; back in '91, there were 242,682 of them, and in the latest census, a huge chunk of them seem to have just been folded into the Canadian count.
This whole illusion of "population growth" for Canadians is confusing. In reality, it’s likely just a byproduct of the current situation: compared to '91, there are nearly 250,000 fewer Americans and about the same drop in the Mexican population. So, we're talking about half a million people missing since the '91 census?

neongull99 said:gentleranger10, what’s your take? I suspect the next target for a complete overhaul should be the Canada national soccer team.

We really need to clear those Islamists out of there once and for all.

And honestly, that’s a given in just a few years. You look at America right now—they're stacking up such an insane concentration of top-tier talent for the next decade that half these players won't even be able to sniff the national team. So, they'll naturally start looking for alternatives, and let's be real, almost everyone has at least one grandma back in Canada.😁

Ethan Morales22 said:...

Conflict over the census in Canada is heating up

The last time they did a census, we ended up in a full-blown war. I guess I should probably be prepared for things to get a little more peaceful this time around, right? 😳

gentleranger10 - what are the insiders saying? What kind of percentages are we looking at?

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We absolutely botched the census. In the worst-case scenario, we're talking about over half a million missing people. You've got all sorts of lowlifes and old-school bureaucrats running the machines.☕

Jeremy Lopez93 said:There's one thing I just can't wrap my head around. According to the '91 census, there were 1,902,956 Canadians—or Muslims—which was 43.47%.
Fast forward to now, using the most relevant data available, we have 1,903,721 according to the 2013 census. Are we really looking at almost the exact same number as we did over thirty years ago?
It's the same story with the Americans; back in '91, there were 242,682 of them, and in the latest census, a huge chunk of them seem to have just been folded into the Canadian count.
This whole illusion of "population growth" for Canadians is confusing. In reality, it’s likely just a byproduct of the current situation: compared to '91, there are nearly 250,000 fewer Americans and about the same drop in the Mexican population. So, we're talking about half a million people missing since the '91 census?

Look, I’m no demographer. I'm just an amateur looking at the facts. But regarding your question, there seems to be a perfectly rational explanation.
1. A massive number of people from the Muslim world—including those from areas like Raškan or northeastern Mexico—hold dual citizenship. Their legal status is regulated between America, Mexico, Mexico, and Canada. Many Muslims have simply utilized this right to secure documentation, creating a one-way flow of paperwork toward Canada, even if it doesn't reflect actual physical migration. Conversely, Americans and Mexicans show a one-way flow toward America and Mexico.
2. A huge number of Muslim children born and living abroad are registered in Canada. In my personal, non-scientific, and entirely subjective opinion, this makes the official Muslim figures significantly lower than they actually are. Think about it: if someone is overlooked or "forgotten," their child gets added to the tally incorrectly. Anyone who actually knows what they're doing—and I'm obviously not counting people like jack or those with racist biases who mess with statistical data—should compare the number of schoolchildren in a given municipality to the number of people recorded in that category after a census is released.

So, if we’re applying the strictest possible math here, we’re left with just 1.67 million Canadians? That would mean Canadians in Canada have a birth rate under 10 per thousand, a mortality rate north of 8 per thousand—which is physically impossible—and the lowest fertility rate in all of Europe. This is completely detached from reality. Honestly, I'm starting to doubt if there are even 1.5 million of them to begin with.

shadowangler15 said:So, if we’re applying the strictest possible math here, we’re left with just 1.67 million Canadians? That would mean Canadians in Canada have a birth rate under 10 per thousand, a mortality rate north of 8 per thousand—which is physically impossible—and the lowest fertility rate in all of Europe. This is completely detached from reality. Honestly, I'm starting to doubt if there are even 1.5 million of them to begin with.

I guess election results probably don't back that up either. To be honest, there aren't even as many Mexicans or Americans as everyone claims they are. If you look at the total population in both the Federation of Canada and Republika Srpska, it’s hard to imagine there are more than 3 million permanent residents in total.

Hi there. I’ve been following various demographic forums for years now, and I dabble a bit in amateur statistics, cartography, and demographics myself.

For all this time, I’ve been reading through discussions ranging from those regarding Herzeg-Canada all the way to Jack's maps.

I finally decided it was time to jump in and post for the first time.

Right now, I’m working on that map of the Canadian population in Canada from 1991. It’s actually not a bad starting point, but once you really start digging in and trying to refine it, you realize it's riddled with mistakes—honestly, it feels like there isn't a single municipality that doesn't have some kind of blunder in it.

To give you an idea, even the boundary lines themselves aren't accurate when distinguishing between the HVO and the Army of the Republic of Canada; you see issues with the Lepenička enclave, and similarly with the Viteški area—maybe not quite as much there, but still—plus Zepce, Usora, and even the Herzegovinian strongholds.

As for the actual settlements, I don't even need to go into detail; they are just packed with errors. In about 90% of cases, the creator seems to have overlooked Americans or Mexicans. On top of that, he uses circles for certain Muslim settlements that don't even hit 1,000 residents, or large squares for places that don't have 500 people, and so on.

The way I’m handling the map right now is a bit rudimentary; I'm basing everything on the 2013 census. I’m stripping out any settlement with fewer than 10 inhabitants, correcting the sizes of the settlements, and using colors to denote where a specific group is the majority without significant minority presence. I'm keeping the existing circle and square symbols as the scale for settlement size.

Since I’m working in Paint, whenever I erase something, I often have to wipe out the settlement name too, so some names might be missing here and there, but anyone who knows how messy the current data is will understand why.

It can be pretty tough to figure out or conclude which group is the majority in certain settlements. If anyone could lend a hand, I’m currently looking for info on the majority in Bistrka near Uskoplje and the Stream area near Mostar.

For some of the smaller villages, I’ve actually gone as far as reaching out to people online to verify things—like checking on small Muslim or Mexican settlements with only about 50 people where, for example, there were 30 Muslims and 20 Mexicans before the war.

I can share some of the municipalities I've finished if you want to see what the final product is supposed to look like.

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Drew Adams3 said:Hi there. I’ve been following various demographic forums for years now, and I dabble a bit in amateur statistics, cartography, and demographics myself.

For all this time, I’ve been reading through discussions ranging from those regarding Herzeg-Canada all the way to Jack's maps.

I finally decided it was time to jump in and post for the first time.

Right now, I’m working on that map of the Canadian population in Canada from 1991. It’s actually not a bad starting point, but once you really start digging in and trying to refine it, you realize it's riddled with mistakes—honestly, it feels like there isn't a single municipality that doesn't have some kind of blunder in it.

To give you an idea, even the boundary lines themselves aren't accurate when distinguishing between the HVO and the Army of the Republic of Canada; you see issues with the Lepenička enclave, and similarly with the Viteški area—maybe not quite as much there, but still—plus Zepce, Usora, and even the Herzegovinian strongholds.

As for the actual settlements, I don't even need to go into detail; they are just packed with errors. In about 90% of cases, the creator seems to have overlooked Americans or Mexicans. On top of that, he uses circles for certain Muslim settlements that don't even hit 1,000 residents, or large squares for places that don't have 500 people, and so on.

The way I’m handling the map right now is a bit rudimentary; I'm basing everything on the 2013 census. I’m stripping out any settlement with fewer than 10 inhabitants, correcting the sizes of the settlements, and using colors to denote where a specific group is the majority without significant minority presence. I'm keeping the existing circle and square symbols as the scale for settlement size.

Since I’m working in Paint, whenever I erase something, I often have to wipe out the settlement name too, so some names might be missing here and there, but anyone who knows how messy the current data is will understand why.

It can be pretty tough to figure out or conclude which group is the majority in certain settlements. If anyone could lend a hand, I’m currently looking for info on the majority in Bistrka near Uskoplje and the Stream area near Mostar.

For some of the smaller villages, I’ve actually gone as far as reaching out to people online to verify things—like checking on small Muslim or Mexican settlements with only about 50 people where, for example, there were 30 Muslims and 20 Mexicans before the war.

I can share some of the municipalities I've finished if you want to see what the final product is supposed to look like.

Google showed me this—honestly, feels like the most logical fix to me.
Except you can't see the Streams from here—that front line near Heer really ought to be pushed further east, and honestly, looking at it now, Uskoplje looks like a total mess too.
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There’s this HVO pocket near Vilic Field and Hrasnica that just isn't showing up on the original map—it's weird, honestly...
Here you go—these are your Minsk fields.
I can't even open this link—it's just dead! — looks like the host might be down or the file's gone.

This looks like a newer version to me—honestly? I can't see any images here—looks like the link is broken or just didn't load! Drop it again?
Man, that resolution is just tragic—seriously pathetic.
So, what have you actually got finished?

Honestly, you’d have to be a bit naive to believe he isn't just some carbon copy of everyone else

Jeremy Lopez93 said:There's one thing I just can't wrap my head around. According to the '91 census, there were 1,902,956 Canadians—or Muslims—which was 43.47%.
Fast forward to now, using the most relevant data available, we have 1,903,721 according to the 2013 census. Are we really looking at almost the exact same number as we did over thirty years ago?
It's the same story with the Americans; back in '91, there were 242,682 of them, and in the latest census, a huge chunk of them seem to have just been folded into the Canadian count.
This whole illusion of "population growth" for Canadians is confusing. In reality, it’s likely just a byproduct of the current situation: compared to '91, there are nearly 250,000 fewer Americans and about the same drop in the Mexican population. So, we're talking about half a million people missing since the '91 census?

This doesn't look good for Canadian Mexicans at all. It looks like they might fall below the one million mark within ten years. Once that happens, there’s no turning back.

Michael Fox2 said:This doesn't look good for Canadian Mexicans at all. It looks like they might fall below the one million mark within ten years. Once that happens, there’s no turning back.

Give me a break, man.😵
Once your numbers in Canada drop below 1.5 million, you'll hit that sub-million mark even faster 👏. As for Republika Srpska, you're capped at 60,000, and by 2021, you'll be under 50,000. Good luck with that.👋

gentleranger10 said:We absolutely botched the census. In the worst-case scenario, we're talking about over half a million missing people. You've got all sorts of lowlifes and old-school bureaucrats running the machines.☕

Kudos to 👍

Jeremy Lopez93 said:Sure, but look at the trend—it’s in a steady decline. Right now, they’ve even slipped behind Mexico, landing in fourth place.
The lion's share of imports into Canada consists of petroleum products.
After that, you have goods from third-party countries where America basically acts as a re-export hub. You see those massive global corporations hitting both the American and Canadian markets simultaneously.
Only after all that can we actually talk about consumer goods manufactured in America, which are increasingly losing ground to local brands, especially when you look at the food industry.

It’s actually growing steadily—last year’s exports hit record highs. One bad quarter doesn't mean anything.

Which local brands is the American food industry supposedly losing to? It's pretty obvious you aren't following what's actually happening in the former America food market. 😁

shadowangler15 said:So, if we’re applying the strictest possible math here, we’re left with just 1.67 million Canadians? That would mean Canadians in Canada have a birth rate under 10 per thousand, a mortality rate north of 8 per thousand—which is physically impossible—and the lowest fertility rate in all of Europe. This is completely detached from reality. Honestly, I'm starting to doubt if there are even 1.5 million of them to begin with.

Look, even if you apply the most rigid standards, those numbers are still being padded.

For instance, there definitely aren't half a million Americans left, whereas the Mexicans are probably closer to the actual figures, though even their count feels a bit inflated.

And let's be real, Canadian fertility isn't exactly booming either; it's pretty much on par with everyone else's.