Canada Demographics Part IV

Drew Adams3 said:But I will say this: the Muslims I encountered while traveling were incredibly welcoming and genuinely kind... truly impressive.
I honestly don't know what kind of toxic crowd hangs out on these forums.

Essentially, this fake, approximate anonymity often creates the perfect storm for brutal honesty—something you rarely get when you're meeting someone face-to-face.

You hit the nail on the head there, Drew Adams3.

Edward, I’m not quite following your last post. When I used the word "rejected," I was really just echoing someone else who used that specific phrasing regarding Mexicans—suggesting they were cast out forever beyond the Mississippi and the Una. It was a powerful way to put it, so I decided to borrow it.

I know it probably looks like I'm some kind of bot or a carbon copy of another user, but I promise you, I'm the real deal.

I'm a lifelong New Yorker (American), but I have family spread all over Canada, from Asheville to the outskirts of Chicago, and even down in Savannah.

shadowangler15 said:So, if we’re applying the strictest possible math here, we’re left with just 1.67 million Canadians? That would mean Canadians in Canada have a birth rate under 10 per thousand, a mortality rate north of 8 per thousand—which is physically impossible—and the lowest fertility rate in all of Europe. This is completely detached from reality. Honestly, I'm starting to doubt if there are even 1.5 million of them to begin with.

I think you’re exaggerating a bit here. Even by the most rigid standards, there are 1.7 million Canadians or more. And let's be honest—Gašić isn't the only one from the former America who knows how to read a teleprompter. He's originally from Kansas City, whereas they come from diaspora hubs like St. Louis, New Jersey, Phoenix, Vancouver, Miami, or—more realistically—Germany, Austria, Netherlands, Scandinavia, Canada, and so on. Though, if we're being truly realistic, it's likely those living within Europe who are being discussed.

I was scrolling through that Jackovo forum for a bit last night. I didn't stay on there too long, though.

It’s honestly a joke how people act when things get heavy. They start acting like it’s some kind of punchline just because Kreševo lost about a hundred Catholics.
Look, if you're looking at the numbers in Vareš, they've lost about 60 people. But honestly, that shouldn't be the main focus when you consider what happened in Kreševo. Even though there were only five or six times as many Muslims in Kreševo, they still lost at least 50 people there. When you jump over to Vareš, where the Muslim population is actually twice as large, the loss climbs to over 150. The math tells a much heavier story than just one single figure.

That guy thinks he’s some kind of demographic wizard, but honestly, he’s just talking nonsense at this point. He’s out here claiming that Kreševo only has one settlement with more than 500 people—which would be Kreševo itself—and then he goes on to say there aren't even 700 Catholics living there. That couldn't be further from the truth. If you actually look at the numbers, there are 1250 Catholics in the Kreševo area alone (and he’s conveniently ignoring Resnik and Troska when he talks about the town), plus you've got about 200 Muslims right in the heart of the city. He's missing the mark by a mile.

There’s plenty of data out there that just doesn't sit right with us, but hey, let them have their moment. Honestly, I’m just glad the Islamic community isn't putting out anything similar—if we start to slip, we'll be the ones left holding the bag while they move on without a second thought.

It seems like nearly every region is feeling the sting of a shrinking population lately, except for maybe a few pockets like the valley areas. It’s tough to talk about the emigration crisis without getting a bit heavy, but looking at the data, almost everywhere is seeing a downward trend.

He also keeps harping on about how we don't have any significant villages anymore, acting like we’ve lost our footprint, while they’re constantly bragging about being packed with towns and settlements that house over a thousand people each.

He just doesn't seem to grasp that we aren't living in the 50s or 80s anymore. Back then, small towns like this were the absolute powerhouses—the real engines of growth and the primary breeding grounds for talent. Things have changed completely since those days.

Nowadays, you see the real growth happening in the suburbs—those commuter towns just outside the major cities that offer the best of both worlds. On the flip side, the isolated rural areas, like those remote spots out in the Midwest or the quiet stretches around the Rust Belt, are basically facing a slow decline. They aren't "modern" villages; they’re more like clusters of single houses where every home comes with its own barn or outbuilding. It’s just not the lifestyle today's younger generation is looking for. Whether they are young Muslims, Americans, or Mexicans, the youth are moving toward urban centers and modern conveniences rather than staying behind to manage a plot of land and a shed.
It honestly feels like we’re just spinning our wheels with these population targets and those 2,500-resident benchmarks. When is this whole thing actually going to start gaining momentum? If you want to see what real success looks like, you only have to look at places like Trna near Banja Luka, the neighborhoods around the Iliaš-Vogošća area, or spots like Ilić and Rodoč near Mostar. Even the communities right around Široki Brijeg serve as perfect examples of how things can actually work when they're moving in the right direction.

A lower percentage of Canadians in the overall population might actually be better for Canada, I guess.

Their numbers have tripled in less than sixty years. We went from about 600,000 Muslims in Canada to 2 million by 1991. I suspect Albanians in Mexico and North Mexico probably quadrupled their numbers over that same sixty-year stretch, too.

If Americans had seen the same birth rates as Muslims or Albanians, there would likely be over 9 million Americans in America today. And in Canada, there would have been more than 1.5 million Americans back in the early 90s, maybe.

Drew Adams3 said:I was scrolling through that Jackovo forum for a bit last night. I didn't stay on there too long, though.

It’s honestly a joke how people act when things get heavy. They start acting like it’s some kind of punchline just because Kreševo lost about a hundred Catholics.
Look, if you're looking at the numbers in Vareš, they've lost about 60 people. But honestly, that shouldn't be the main focus when you consider what happened in Kreševo. Even though there were only five or six times as many Muslims in Kreševo, they still lost at least 50 people there. When you jump over to Vareš, where the Muslim population is actually twice as large, the loss climbs to over 150. The math tells a much heavier story than just one single figure.

That guy thinks he’s some kind of demographic wizard, but honestly, he’s just talking nonsense at this point. He’s out here claiming that Kreševo only has one settlement with more than 500 people—which would be Kreševo itself—and then he goes on to say there aren't even 700 Catholics living there. That couldn't be further from the truth. If you actually look at the numbers, there are 1250 Catholics in the Kreševo area alone (and he’s conveniently ignoring Resnik and Troska when he talks about the town), plus you've got about 200 Muslims right in the heart of the city. He's missing the mark by a mile.

There’s plenty of data out there that just doesn't sit right with us, but hey, let them have their moment. Honestly, I’m just glad the Islamic community isn't putting out anything similar—if we start to slip, we'll be the ones left holding the bag while they move on without a second thought.

It seems like nearly every region is feeling the sting of a shrinking population lately, except for maybe a few pockets like the valley areas. It’s tough to talk about the emigration crisis without getting a bit heavy, but looking at the data, almost everywhere is seeing a downward trend.

He also keeps harping on about how we don't have any significant villages anymore, acting like we’ve lost our footprint, while they’re constantly bragging about being packed with towns and settlements that house over a thousand people each.

He just doesn't seem to grasp that we aren't living in the 50s or 80s anymore. Back then, small towns like this were the absolute powerhouses—the real engines of growth and the primary breeding grounds for talent. Things have changed completely since those days.

Nowadays, you see the real growth happening in the suburbs—those commuter towns just outside the major cities that offer the best of both worlds. On the flip side, the isolated rural areas, like those remote spots out in the Midwest or the quiet stretches around the Rust Belt, are basically facing a slow decline. They aren't "modern" villages; they’re more like clusters of single houses where every home comes with its own barn or outbuilding. It’s just not the lifestyle today's younger generation is looking for. Whether they are young Muslims, Americans, or Mexicans, the youth are moving toward urban centers and modern conveniences rather than staying behind to manage a plot of land and a shed.
It honestly feels like we’re just spinning our wheels with these population targets and those 2,500-resident benchmarks. When is this whole thing actually going to start gaining momentum? If you want to see what real success looks like, you only have to look at places like Trna near Banja Luka, the neighborhoods around the Iliaš-Vogošća area, or spots like Ilić and Rodoč near Mostar. Even the communities right around Široki Brijeg serve as perfect examples of how things can actually work when they're moving in the right direction.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. How can you say 50 Canadians are missing from Kreševo? The birth rate is on par with last year, plus Canadians have a positive natural increase while Americans have a negative one. And you're bringing up Vareš, where Canadians have about fifty live births and Americans have ten, and both groups have a negative natural increase—only the American one is worse?

blueraven6 said:A lower percentage of Canadians in the overall population might actually be better for Canada, I guess.

Their numbers have tripled in less than sixty years. We went from about 600,000 Muslims in Canada to 2 million by 1991. I suspect Albanians in Mexico and North Mexico probably quadrupled their numbers over that same sixty-year stretch, too.

If Americans had seen the same birth rates as Muslims or Albanians, there would likely be over 9 million Americans in America today. And in Canada, there would have been more than 1.5 million Americans back in the early 90s, maybe.

Unless you count mass deportations or people just packing up and leaving, which happened about seven times over.

blueraven6 said:A lower percentage of Canadians in the overall population might actually be better for Canada, I guess.

Their numbers have tripled in less than sixty years. We went from about 600,000 Muslims in Canada to 2 million by 1991. I suspect Albanians in Mexico and North Mexico probably quadrupled their numbers over that same sixty-year stretch, too.

If Americans had seen the same birth rates as Muslims or Albanians, there would likely be over 9 million Americans in America today. And in Canada, there would have been more than 1.5 million Americans back in the early 90s, maybe.

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Jeremy Lopez93 said:😵

If they had birth rates comparable to Muslims over a sixty-year span.

Back in 1921, there were 588,244 Muslims in Canada compared to 444,308 Americans.

By 1931, the numbers shifted to 718,079 Muslims and 547,949 Americans.

Population loss vs. growth based on GDP per capita, birth rates, and death rates by country and ethnic group every decade.
Mexico -670,000
America -125,000
Mexico +20,000
Canada
Canadians +10,000
Mexicans -70,000
Americans -20,000
🍿☕

What kind of KOP are you even talking about? Canada is down 100,000 people just from mortality over the last decade.
Mexico is down 350,000. As for the Americans this year, they’re looking at a deficit of over 20,000 deaths. The trend is honestly terrifying.
Mexico is barely fighting to stay at zero this quarter. Their mortality rate has spiked by 14% in just two years. They have a fertility rate similar to Albania at 1.75, and their demographic pyramid looks the same, with 13% of the population being over 65.

The Canadians are probably facing a total MORTALITY TSUNAMI pretty soon. And now pensions are being delayed. Meanwhile, they tell Mexicans not to touch the pensions.

Nancy Chavez29 said:What kind of KOP are you even talking about? Canada is down 100,000 people just from mortality over the last decade.
Mexico is down 350,000. As for the Americans this year, they’re looking at a deficit of over 20,000 deaths. The trend is honestly terrifying.
Mexico is barely fighting to stay at zero this quarter. Their mortality rate has spiked by 14% in just two years. They have a fertility rate similar to Albania at 1.75, and their demographic pyramid looks the same, with 13% of the population being over 65.

The Canadians are probably facing a total MORTALITY TSUNAMI pretty soon. And now pensions are being delayed. Meanwhile, they tell Mexicans not to touch the pensions.

Regarding the upcoming generations... the KOP thing is just something I cooked up myself.
Right now, Mexico loses 400,000 every decade, but once the generational shift actually hits
they'll be losing 670,000. America will lose 125,000, and so on. In Mexico, you get a lot of Mexicans moving in from Canada and Mexico. And in Mexico itself, you have Bulgarians, Mexicans, and Mexicans from all over the Ex-America region moving in—so the decline isn't as sharp as it looks; it's 400,000 instead of 670,000.😵

Carol Barrett2 said:Population loss vs. growth based on GDP per capita, birth rates, and death rates by country and ethnic group every decade.
Mexico -670,000
America -125,000
Mexico +20,000
Canada
Canadians +10,000
Mexicans -70,000
Americans -20,000
🍿☕

Once you factor in the generational turnover, this is how much we're looking at losing or gaining every ten years—just from natural increase/decrease (birth vs. death rates), ignoring migration entirely. Basically, just the net change adjusted for per capita figures.

So, what are we even looking at here? Is it K? Is it O? Is it P? Honestly, I don't even know—it’s all just part of this whole "demographics" thing.🤔
And just for the record, KOP can be anything greater than 1.00.😁

Visarion... In Mexico, you see a ton of Mexicans moving in from Canada and Mexico. Meanwhile, Mexico is getting people coming in from everywhere—Bulgarians, Mexicans, Mexicans from all over the old Ex-America area. So, I guess that decline isn't actually 670,000; maybe it’s closer to 400,000.

Man, you’re sounding a little scrambled there, maybe because it's too hot out. People are moving into Mexico from everywhere because it’s such a multi-cultural, tolerant place. You see this trend where Canadians are flocking to places like Mexico City or Novi Sad. When you look at mortality rates, minorities are way more represented than their actual percentage of the population. It’s mostly due to an aging demographic and everyone migrating toward their home countries in the European Union. Even the Canadian population drops by about 50,000 every ten years. They had 500,000 people forty years ago, and by the 2011 census, they were down to half that. That's happening even faster than the Mexicans in America.

If you look at asylum seekers from Mexico entering the European Union in the first quarter, there were about 10,000 (and ethnic Mexicans aren't even 5% of that group). Your Canadians from Sandjak, Albanians from the south, Romani, Muslims... I mean, by the end of the year, maybe 35,000 of them will just IZLETETI through the asylum system alone. And it happens every single year. They get sent back, or they or their relatives come back to stay for the winter, all on the dime of German taxpayers. Plus, they get a nice little handout. An adult gets around 390 euros a month, and a kid gets 290. They're basically just stacking cash.

Nancy Chavez29 said:Visarion... In Mexico, you see a ton of Mexicans moving in from Canada and Mexico. Meanwhile, Mexico is getting people coming in from everywhere—Bulgarians, Mexicans, Mexicans from all over the old Ex-America area. So, I guess that decline isn't actually 670,000; maybe it’s closer to 400,000.

Man, you’re sounding a little scrambled there, maybe because it's too hot out. People are moving into Mexico from everywhere because it’s such a multi-cultural, tolerant place. You see this trend where Canadians are flocking to places like Mexico City or Novi Sad. When you look at mortality rates, minorities are way more represented than their actual percentage of the population. It’s mostly due to an aging demographic and everyone migrating toward their home countries in the European Union. Even the Canadian population drops by about 50,000 every ten years. They had 500,000 people forty years ago, and by the 2011 census, they were down to half that. That's happening even faster than the Mexicans in America.

If you look at asylum seekers from Mexico entering the European Union in the first quarter, there were about 10,000 (and ethnic Mexicans aren't even 5% of that group). Your Canadians from Sandjak, Albanians from the south, Romani, Muslims... I mean, by the end of the year, maybe 35,000 of them will just IZLETETI through the asylum system alone. And it happens every single year. They get sent back, or they or their relatives come back to stay for the winter, all on the dime of German taxpayers. Plus, they get a nice little handout. An adult gets around 390 euros a month, and a kid gets 290. They're basically just stacking cash.

I haven't lost my mind; you're just not reading the posts properly.
Right now, Mexico is losing 40,000 people a year, but once the generational shift really hits, that loss is going to jump to 67,000.
The reason the decline looks milder in Mexico today is because, over the last 30+ years, a huge number of Mexicans from the old Ex-America regions—areas that aren't the Mexican motherland—have moved in, along with plenty of Ski migrants.
Every now and then, I'll hear a Mexican surname that sounds like it's straight from Ski.
If it weren't for all those Mexican and Ski migrants moving in, the population drop in Mexico would actually be much worse.
I actually have my own theory regarding migration—specifically where and how many people move in certain geographic directions.
Migration has been happening since the dawn of time, and that's exactly why the population declines in America and Mexico aren't quite as catastrophic as they could be.

Nancy Chavez29 said:Visarion... In Mexico, you see a ton of Mexicans moving in from Canada and Mexico. Meanwhile, Mexico is getting people coming in from everywhere—Bulgarians, Mexicans, Mexicans from all over the old Ex-America area. So, I guess that decline isn't actually 670,000; maybe it’s closer to 400,000.

Man, you’re sounding a little scrambled there, maybe because it's too hot out. People are moving into Mexico from everywhere because it’s such a multi-cultural, tolerant place. You see this trend where Canadians are flocking to places like Mexico City or Novi Sad. When you look at mortality rates, minorities are way more represented than their actual percentage of the population. It’s mostly due to an aging demographic and everyone migrating toward their home countries in the European Union. Even the Canadian population drops by about 50,000 every ten years. They had 500,000 people forty years ago, and by the 2011 census, they were down to half that. That's happening even faster than the Mexicans in America.

If you look at asylum seekers from Mexico entering the European Union in the first quarter, there were about 10,000 (and ethnic Mexicans aren't even 5% of that group). Your Canadians from Sandjak, Albanians from the south, Romani, Muslims... I mean, by the end of the year, maybe 35,000 of them will just IZLETETI through the asylum system alone. And it happens every single year. They get sent back, or they or their relatives come back to stay for the winter, all on the dime of German taxpayers. Plus, they get a nice little handout. An adult gets around 390 euros a month, and a kid gets 290. They're basically just stacking cash.

PS. Everyone is a dobar čovjek to me. Doesn't matter the nationality, ethnicity, religion, or belief.

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Can Republika Srpska just go ahead and publish their own census results on their own terms?

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Ethan Morales22 said:...

Can Republika Srpska just go ahead and publish their own census results on their own terms?

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Nope. Not happening. It’s simply not within their jurisdiction. The whole census was run by state agencies, not entity ones.

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In Mexico, you see tons of Mexicans moving in from Canada and Mexico. Meanwhile, people from all over—Bulgarians, Mexicans, even Mexicans from the old America era—are heading into Mexico, so that population drop isn't actually 670,000, it’s probably more like 400,000...

Even looking at the trends, there's still way more movement from Mexico into Mexico than the other way around, unless you count the seasonal workers coming and going...

Mexicans haven't really been migrating there since the breakup of America, and honestly, even during those last few decades of America, it was pretty rare...

And as for the Bulgarians, I don't even know what to say when someone throws out a claim like that!