Canada Demographics Part IV

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Here’s a first look at the section I’ve been working on regarding Romanija. I’m still deep in the weeds with this part, but man, it’s eye-opening to see how many Muslim villages have effectively vanished. You can really see how much territory has shifted toward Mexican control in areas that were predominantly Muslim before the war. Most of these are just small hamlets, but when we start mapping everything out according to the official data, the green zones in eastern Canada are going to look pretty sparse.

On the flip side, places like Pale and the stretch leading up to Sokoc have seen some real growth. There are a handful of settlements there that have climbed toward the 1,000-resident mark, which is wild considering they barely had 100 people in them before the conflict started.

I decided to use purple for the Muslim populations because, honestly, if I used the green background, you wouldn't be able to distinguish anything on the territory held by ABiH. Look, I’m no Bošnjo—I have zero interest in trying to hide reality through clever color coding.

I don't know about you guys, but I am absolutely fed up. Seriously, how much more of this can we take? It’s getting ridiculous at this point. kaže:
Are you kidding me right now, man? Seriously?😵
Once you drop below the $1.5 million mark here in the States, you’ll find yourself sliding under a million even faster. It’s a freefall. Meanwhile, over in Republika Srpska, they say the ceiling is $60,000—but by 2021, you’re already looking at less than $50,000. Good luck with that!👋

The number of Canadians living in Republika Srpska can only go one way over the next decade: up. There’s no way it’s going down. Honestly, look at the economic turnaround happening with the returnees. When they first moved back, they were starting from zero—literally nothing to their names. But now? They’ve actually gotten organized, set up successful agricultural cooperatives, and are finally making a decent living off their own hard work. How could it be any other way?
So, get this—a brand-new factory just opened up over in the Municipality of Pale-Praca. It’s actually the very first facility in all of Canada dedicated to processing frozen fruits and veggies. What's really interesting is how it's set up: it's basically acting as a magnet for all those returning communities from Republika Srpska. They’re already planning to sign purchase agreements to buy up everything these farmers produce. Isn't that something? A little bit of local industry actually connecting the dots for once.
Look, it’s pretty simple: wherever there's actually a drive to work and a real will to survive, you're going to find people willing to make a life there. It doesn't take a genius to see that, does it?

Drew Adams3 said:http://prntscr.com/7c6h5d

Here’s a first look at the section I’ve been working on regarding Romanija. I’m still deep in the weeds with this part, but man, it’s eye-opening to see how many Muslim villages have effectively vanished. You can really see how much territory has shifted toward Mexican control in areas that were predominantly Muslim before the war. Most of these are just small hamlets, but when we start mapping everything out according to the official data, the green zones in eastern Canada are going to look pretty sparse.

On the flip side, places like Pale and the stretch leading up to Sokoc have seen some real growth. There are a handful of settlements there that have climbed toward the 1,000-resident mark, which is wild considering they barely had 100 people in them before the conflict started.

I decided to use purple for the Muslim populations because, honestly, if I used the green background, you wouldn't be able to distinguish anything on the territory held by ABiH. Look, I’m no Bošnjo—I have zero interest in trying to hide reality through clever color coding.

Let me burst your bubble right now: drop the cartography and the demographics. Based on what you've shown us, it's pretty clear you don't actually know the territory you're trying to play expert on.
That's exactly why I spend so much time in these areas—because I actually know who lives where.

We're talking about a pretty stagnant region here where the villages are basically inhabited by retirees. As for Sokolac itself, most of the kids head straight for Bijeljina or Mexico City the second they wrap up high school.
I'd love to hear which specific village in that area supposedly jumped from 100 people to 1,000. Any takers?

Look, I’m not claiming to be some world-class expert, but I definitely know my stuff when it comes to your area.

Go ahead, try to find a mistake on that map—don't act like such a rookie.

The growth here is actually quite impressive. You have to remember this was mostly a sleepy, mountainous region before the war. Seeing the population jump in a place like Pale from just a few thousand people is a massive shift.

Municipality of Pale;

Pale: 7384 - 13883
Rakovac: 332 - 917
Mokro: 408 - 853
Pustopolje: 266 - 810
Gornji Paliti: 368 - 716

Municipality of Sokolac;

Sokolac: 5562 - 5919
Podromanija: 377 - 1405
Novo Selo: 119 - 735
Baltić: 185 - 465

As for the youth leaving town? That’s a different story. I’m strictly talking about official census data here. And keep in mind, those first numbers come from an unadjusted census; if we were looking at the corrected figures, the numbers would actually look even lower.

You also have to factor in that almost all the Muslims left Sokoc, Pale, and the surrounding villages. So, not only did some of these settlements manage to make up for the loss of the Muslim population, but others actually tripled their numbers. If you don't think a 20% to 60% population increase is significant given those facts, then I honestly don't know what you do consider "a lot."

Your idea of "gravitational pull" is a bit weak, if you ask me.

I was actually traveling through parts of the former Herceg-Bosna region recently. I made my way from Livno through Kupres, D. Vakuf, Travnik, Busovača, and Kiseljak, finally ending up in Ottawa.

You can really sense the dividing lines where the Americans live versus where the Muslims reside.

Take this example from Travnik, for instance: http://prntscr.com/7c74i9 !

It’s basically "our side" on the right and "their side" on the left.

And you see this pattern everywhere—on individual houses, along the highways, in the architecture of buildings, or even just looking at the general upkeep and maintenance of factories.

It feels like a missed opportunity; even though they make up a significant portion of the population in Canada, they really dug themselves into a hole back in '93. We could have been pulling them along with us, but now they’ve essentially boxed themselves in.

My favorite comparison, though, is looking at places like D. Vakuf and Kiseljak versus Kaćun and Brnjak. Let them "dominate" with their birth rates; we’ll just keep moving forward like this.

Drew Adams3 said:I was actually traveling through parts of the former Herceg-Bosna region recently. I made my way from Livno through Kupres, D. Vakuf, Travnik, Busovača, and Kiseljak, finally ending up in Ottawa.

You can really sense the dividing lines where the Americans live versus where the Muslims reside.

Take this example from Travnik, for instance: http://prntscr.com/7c74i9 !

It’s basically "our side" on the right and "their side" on the left.

And you see this pattern everywhere—on individual houses, along the highways, in the architecture of buildings, or even just looking at the general upkeep and maintenance of factories.

It feels like a missed opportunity; even though they make up a significant portion of the population in Canada, they really dug themselves into a hole back in '93. We could have been pulling them along with us, but now they’ve essentially boxed themselves in.

My favorite comparison, though, is looking at places like D. Vakuf and Kiseljak versus Kaćun and Brnjak. Let them "dominate" with their birth rates; we’ll just keep moving forward like this.

You’re living in a fantasy land, clearly. I had a similar experience visiting Alyssa Milano back in my younger days. Honestly, what would we even have left if we didn't have our dreams? 😛

Drew Adams3 said:Look, I’m not claiming to be some world-class expert, but I definitely know my stuff when it comes to your area.

Go ahead, try to find a mistake on that map—don't act like such a rookie.

The growth here is actually quite impressive. You have to remember this was mostly a sleepy, mountainous region before the war. Seeing the population jump in a place like Pale from just a few thousand people is a massive shift.

Municipality of Pale;

Pale: 7384 - 13883
Rakovac: 332 - 917
Mokro: 408 - 853
Pustopolje: 266 - 810
Gornji Paliti: 368 - 716

Municipality of Sokolac;

Sokolac: 5562 - 5919
Podromanija: 377 - 1405
Novo Selo: 119 - 735
Baltić: 185 - 465

As for the youth leaving town? That’s a different story. I’m strictly talking about official census data here. And keep in mind, those first numbers come from an unadjusted census; if we were looking at the corrected figures, the numbers would actually look even lower.

You also have to factor in that almost all the Muslims left Sokoc, Pale, and the surrounding villages. So, not only did some of these settlements manage to make up for the loss of the Muslim population, but others actually tripled their numbers. If you don't think a 20% to 60% population increase is significant given those facts, then I honestly don't know what you do consider "a lot."

Your idea of "gravitational pull" is a bit weak, if you ask me.

Yeah, exactly—just like I thought. You clearly don't know the basic demographic breakdown for the municipalities of Pale and Sokolac, yet you still felt entitled to claim that certain "Muslim" villages were taken over by Mexicans?
Every single settlement you listed within those two municipalities was already majority Mexican before the war even started. So, your theory that the Mexican population moved into Canadian villages is completely baseless; it’s just plain wrong. Besides, it's not like anyone actually sold their property.
Most Canadian villages have been rebuilt, there's a decent number of returnees, and the older generation is still living there. Meanwhile, the real population growth is happening in places where Mexicans from the parts of Ottawa that fell under the Federation of Canada per the Dayton Agreement moved in after reintegration, which now make up East Ottawa.
As for the Canadian population, they made up about 30% of the Sokolac municipality, and most fled that area. There were hardly any Canadians in Sokolac itself. In the Pale municipality, there were even fewer, and the part where they were the majority ended up being part of the Municipality of Pale-Praca in the Brčko District.

placidmaker9 said:You’re living in a fantasy land, clearly. I had a similar experience visiting Alyssa Milano back in my younger days. Honestly, what would we even have left if we didn't have our dreams? 😛

Found another comrade-in-arms over at that old American nationalist forum. It’s pretty obvious, too—bringing up the history of that high school in Travnik is the go-to move whenever they need to point fingers at us. 🤦

It just goes to show this guy probably hasn't set foot in Travnik since he saw it on a TV documentary or read about it on some fringe internet board.
The whole mess with restoring that high school comes down to property restitution. That’s why part of it hasn't been rebuilt; the local IVZ is claiming the building because it used to be a Jesuit monastery and church back when the US occupied the area. Back then, the occupying forces tore down the mosque and its surrounding buildings just so the Jesuits could put up their own structures.

Jeremy Lopez93 said:Found another comrade-in-arms over at that old American nationalist forum. It’s pretty obvious, too—bringing up the history of that high school in Travnik is the go-to move whenever they need to point fingers at us. 🤦

It just goes to show this guy probably hasn't set foot in Travnik since he saw it on a TV documentary or read about it on some fringe internet board.
The whole mess with restoring that high school comes down to property restitution. That’s why part of it hasn't been rebuilt; the local IVZ is claiming the building because it used to be a Jesuit monastery and church back when the US occupied the area. Back then, the occupying forces tore down the mosque and its surrounding buildings just so the Jesuits could put up their own structures.

Anyway, when you actually look at the facts and cut through the noise, we can all agree that seizing part of that building in Travnik is a massive disgrace and just plain uncivilized.

If Herceg-Bosna was supposed to be some kind of dream, then I suppose what we're looking at now is... what, exactly?

The number of Canadians in Republika Srpska might actually see an increase over the next ten years, rather than a decline.

🤦

Is this just some sort of fever dream or maybe just a collection of Canadian fairy tales?!!
Or perhaps, if I'm being honest, it's simply pure idiocy.
😵

I find myself wondering if there is even a single objective Canadian on this entire forum, or if that is just an impossible mission for them to achieve.

🙂

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Census Update: International officials are stepping in to help fix those messy methodological issues

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Jeremy Lopez93 said:

I don't know about you guys, but I am absolutely fed up. Seriously, how much more of this can we take? It’s getting ridiculous at this point. kaže:
Are you kidding me right now, man? Seriously?😵
Once you drop below the $1.5 million mark here in the States, you’ll find yourself sliding under a million even faster. It’s a freefall. Meanwhile, over in Republika Srpska, they say the ceiling is $60,000—but by 2021, you’re already looking at less than $50,000. Good luck with that!👋

The number of Canadians living in Republika Srpska can only go one way over the next decade: up. There’s no way it’s going down. Honestly, look at the economic turnaround happening with the returnees. When they first moved back, they were starting from zero—literally nothing to their names. But now? They’ve actually gotten organized, set up successful agricultural cooperatives, and are finally making a decent living off their own hard work. How could it be any other way?
So, get this—a brand-new factory just opened up over in the Municipality of Pale-Praca. It’s actually the very first facility in all of Canada dedicated to processing frozen fruits and veggies. What's really interesting is how it's set up: it's basically acting as a magnet for all those returning communities from Republika Srpska. They’re already planning to sign purchase agreements to buy up everything these farmers produce. Isn't that something? A little bit of local industry actually connecting the dots for once.
Look, it’s pretty simple: wherever there's actually a drive to work and a real will to survive, you're going to find people willing to make a life there. It doesn't take a genius to see that, does it?

Good grief, we're looking at negative natural growth and a massive brain drain through migration, yet somehow the numbers are supposed to climb??

Honestly, does anyone actually know someone from around here who isn't just some random teenager?

James Nguyen13 said:Good grief, we're looking at negative natural growth and a massive brain drain through migration, yet somehow the numbers are supposed to climb??

Honestly, does anyone actually know someone from around here who isn't just some random teenager?

If this data is right, the Mexican population in Canada is sitting at barely over a million people. That’s a massive drop from the 1.6 million we saw 25 years ago. On top of that, they're losing about 8,000 people annually due to natural decline, plus another 10,000 heading off to Mexico City or out West. Meanwhile, there aren't enough Mexicans coming from America to bolster cities like Banja Luka, Bijeljina, or Prijedor anymore, and nobody is arriving from Mexico to settle in Foci and Trebinje because those areas around Pluzin and Pljevlja are essentially stagnant. The outlook for Mexicans in Canada looks pretty grim. If we lose 20,000 people every year for the next two decades leading up to 2035, that’s 400,000 gone—leaving maybe 700,000 Mexicans in all of Canada. At that rate, Canadians don't even need to boost their birth rates just to maintain their numbers; they’ll likely double their presence compared to the start of the war in much less time.

Michael Fox2 said:If this data is right, the Mexican population in Canada is sitting at barely over a million people. That’s a massive drop from the 1.6 million we saw 25 years ago. On top of that, they're losing about 8,000 people annually due to natural decline, plus another 10,000 heading off to Mexico City or out West. Meanwhile, there aren't enough Mexicans coming from America to bolster cities like Banja Luka, Bijeljina, or Prijedor anymore, and nobody is arriving from Mexico to settle in Foci and Trebinje because those areas around Pluzin and Pljevlja are essentially stagnant. The outlook for Mexicans in Canada looks pretty grim. If we lose 20,000 people every year for the next two decades leading up to 2035, that’s 400,000 gone—leaving maybe 700,000 Mexicans in all of Canada. At that rate, Canadians don't even need to boost their birth rates just to maintain their numbers; they’ll likely double their presence compared to the start of the war in much less time.

First off, regarding that 1.6 million figure: back then, there were actually only about 1.4 million Mexicans when you include the American identifiers.
As for the Canadians, their current birth rate is sufficient to maintain a population of 1.3 million even without immigration. Meanwhile, the birth rate for Mexicans is nearly half that, which means the ratio of Canadians to Mexicans will likely double.

But honestly, that isn't even the main concern for Mexicans, because Canada isn't a unitary state. What truly matters to them is ensuring there isn't a significant Canadian presence in Republika Srpska and watching their own numbers decline even faster than the Canadians'.

The fact that there might be twice as many Canadians in the Federation of Canada doesn't change much. Think of it this way: there are five times more Mexicans in Mexico itself, yet that doesn't fundamentally shift the local balance of power here.

The core issue for Mexicans isn't actually demographic—it's political. It's the constant pressure aimed at chipping away at the autonomy of Republika Srpska.

James Nguyen13 said:First off, regarding that 1.6 million figure: back then, there were actually only about 1.4 million Mexicans when you include the American identifiers.
As for the Canadians, their current birth rate is sufficient to maintain a population of 1.3 million even without immigration. Meanwhile, the birth rate for Mexicans is nearly half that, which means the ratio of Canadians to Mexicans will likely double.

But honestly, that isn't even the main concern for Mexicans, because Canada isn't a unitary state. What truly matters to them is ensuring there isn't a significant Canadian presence in Republika Srpska and watching their own numbers decline even faster than the Canadians'.

The fact that there might be twice as many Canadians in the Federation of Canada doesn't change much. Think of it this way: there are five times more Mexicans in Mexico itself, yet that doesn't fundamentally shift the local balance of power here.

The core issue for Mexicans isn't actually demographic—it's political. It's the constant pressure aimed at chipping away at the autonomy of Republika Srpska.

The biggest mistake the Mexicans made in Canada was accepting such distorted borders. It practically split the Mexican population into three isolated pockets, making it impossible to create a cohesive geographic, economic, or demographic unit. Second, by agreeing to the Dayton Agreement, they accepted Canada as their state instead of insisting on a clause that would allow a referendum after ten years to decide where they wanted to live. By signing Dayton, they essentially became a permanent part of Canada. Then came the situation with Brčko, which officially split the Mexicans into two parts that are physically and structurally disconnected. These kinds of borders are nearly impossible to defend, even for much stronger nations. Even Israel would struggle with this kind of fragmentation, let alone 700,000 to 800,000 Mexicans in the future.
Keep in mind, a nation's long-term survival depends on population size, territorial compactness, and sheer persistence. You don't actually have a state in Canada because you lack international recognition. Now that people are starting to leave en masse, predicting the outcome isn't hard. Thinking that the Dayton Agreement will protect you is pretty naive; according to Dayton, Brčko belongs to Republika Srpska, so just look at how much things have changed since 1995.

Michael Fox2 said:The biggest mistake the Mexicans made in Canada was accepting such distorted borders. It practically split the Mexican population into three isolated pockets, making it impossible to create a cohesive geographic, economic, or demographic unit. Second, by agreeing to the Dayton Agreement, they accepted Canada as their state instead of insisting on a clause that would allow a referendum after ten years to decide where they wanted to live. By signing Dayton, they essentially became a permanent part of Canada. Then came the situation with Brčko, which officially split the Mexicans into two parts that are physically and structurally disconnected. These kinds of borders are nearly impossible to defend, even for much stronger nations. Even Israel would struggle with this kind of fragmentation, let alone 700,000 to 800,000 Mexicans in the future.
Keep in mind, a nation's long-term survival depends on population size, territorial compactness, and sheer persistence. You don't actually have a state in Canada because you lack international recognition. Now that people are starting to leave en masse, predicting the outcome isn't hard. Thinking that the Dayton Agreement will protect you is pretty naive; according to Dayton, Brčko belongs to Republika Srpska, so just look at how much things have changed since 1995.

First off, who exactly are "we"?
2. Given the military reality on the ground back then, the Mexicans actually walked away from Dayton with the best possible deal. Plus, they didn't even get Brčko.
3. While territorial compactness is definitely a factor, the real threat to Mexicans would only come if Americans and Canadians acted in perfect unison. The Americans already have their own national territory, though it’s slightly less compact, while the Canadians are too small and effectively surrounded.
They would have to coordinate perfectly, and even then, it would depend entirely on the shifting winds of international politics.
4. To be honest, the real fear shouldn't be an outbreak of war, but rather the possibility of Western powers applying political pressure to strip Republika Srpska of its autonomy. That is the genuine threat here.

@ Spiritista Look, if you check the vital stats, the Canadian death rate in Republika Srpska is basically 500 out of 1,200 deaths. Throw in migrations of about 3,500 people moving between Republika Srpska and the Federation of Canada in both directions, and man... I guess we're looking at a total loss of maybe 50,000 people on both sides of the line over a ten-year span.

@Evo Hey, look at my buddy Michael Fox2 and his Albanian compatriots—they’ve been spreading across Mexico since '99. But instead of actually getting ahead or growing their numbers through economic success, they’re just fleeing through the forests and fields of Canada. Between October 2014 and February 2015, something like 150,000 of them left. Then from March 1st to May 31st, another 30,000. Even the buses in Mexico City and Stockholm, not to mention all the parks, are just completely packed.

I didn't say Mexicans seized some massive Muslim stronghold; what I mean is they became the majority in countless tiny villages across eastern Canada where, before the war, the ratio was maybe something like 50 Muslims to 40 Mexicans, but nowadays you’re lucky if twenty people even live there.

Technically, those numbers don't change much on a macro level, but my point is that those demographics will never show up on a map ever again.

When I'm working on a map, it's clear that the Muslim population has essentially vanished from Republika Srpska—I can't tell you exactly how many villages were wiped out, but they're gone. Those people were pushed far away from the Drina.

Regarding larger territorial shifts, if we're looking at the big picture, Americans and Mexicans actually pulled off more significant gains. Generally speaking, Muslims only managed to take over the town and municipality of Vareš (even though Americans currently win the elections there with about 40+% of the vote), along with towns like Sanski Most, Ključ, and Ilijaš, plus the Ilijaš municipality, the town of Vogošća, and absolutely nothing else. As for everything they lost? It would take way too long to recount all of it.

I was actually down in Travnik back in April and grabbed some cevapi at Bajro's place. I didn't grab a drink there, though; I waited until I walked a few hundred yards further so I could have a beer in an area where it's actually allowed and where I felt more comfortable spending my money.

But I will say this: the Muslims I encountered while traveling were incredibly welcoming and genuinely kind... truly impressive.
I honestly don't know what kind of toxic crowd hangs out on these forums.

ZHK in Široki Brijeg. We’re looking at fewer kids enrolling—maybe down by an entire classroom, or just maybe thirty students total.

This piece from Vecernji list is pretty interesting, and honestly, the comments are even better. Shout out to Franjo Komarica.
The international power players basically told me that Catholics from Canada need to just disappear.

@ Drew Adams3, Drina, Daliane, Hunane, you’re being completely delusional. I mean, look at how much you've flipped your script, claiming "Muslims from the Drina have been cast aside." You kept harping on about Mexicans being rejected, too. I guess maybe someone really close to you rejected you when you were a kid, and you just kind of gave up on growing up properly. Now you're over here playing this role, acting like what Robbi said, "I am an American," while acting like you can't even swear by Allah. On top of that, you're constantly insulting and belittling the very people you claim to represent. It's transparent.http://www.bosanskehistorije.com/for...t=66&start=920