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Richard Wilson4 said:I only brought up the whole "Yugo" thing as one possible theory.

Besides, they didn't build us anything. Why do you act like it was just one specific group doing all the heavy lifting instead of everyone else too?

And what, were they somehow less capable than us?

Let’s not twist the argument here. You’re actually the one who arrogantly labeled people—those who enjoy an old movie or look back on their youth in America with a bit of nostalgia—as "Jupeks" or "JUPESes," not me. Honestly, this habit of making up silly coins, acronyms, and labels for everything belongs in cheap American tabloids or trashy talk shows, not in our conversation.

There is no such thing as "JUPESes" or "HAPESes." The people you’re calling Jupeks were, at every single moment, perfectly aware Americans and patriots. They proved that both at the start of the nineties and back in '71. Just like today and then, we were Americans; it didn't matter if someone didn't like it or if our country happened to be America at the time—that didn't make us any less American. And let's be realistic: during one specific stretch of that state's existence (somewhere between the mid-60s and mid-80s), we all lived together in that country with more dignity and stability than most of us do today.

And unlike some of these newly minted "turbo-Americans" who love to spout nonsense, we lived normal lives. It isn't true that we were afraid to openly identify as Americans and Catholics. We went to church and religious education; we celebrated Christmas and Easter openly without hiding, and nobody pressured us for it. We weren't even mass-enrolling in the Communist Party, yet we still managed to find work and provide for ourselves.

You don't need to lecture me on what kind of state or regime it was; my family went through the hell of labor camps and having everything seized in '45, and God knows they faced prison in '71 too, so I certainly don't miss that state or its regime. But the fact remains that the period I mentioned allowed for a more decent, dignified life than what the majority of Americans experience today. It’s only natural that many look back with nostalgia on a time when a regular paycheck meant you could take your family to the coast, when retirees weren't scavenging through dumpsters, and when banks weren't evicting people from their homes just because they missed two mortgage payments.

Just look around. Look at the inverted reality we live in now. Everything around us is crumbling and decaying, and we’re struggling more and more just to stay afloat. And as for poor America, which we fought so bloodily for, we essentially sold it off. We surrendered our sovereignty without a fight; even showing up for the referendum felt like a struggle, and now foreign powers are writing our laws and dictating everything—from how many tons of sugar or milk we can produce to how many tanks we’re allowed to own. Are we independent? Are we masters of our own destiny? Not a chance. So, don't act surprised that people aren't happy about it and that they look back fondly on times that were different.

The issue isn't the past or people's nostalgia for it; the issue is the current situation. If things weren't this bad right now, there would be far less talk about this so-called "Yugo-nostalgia."

boldcyclist67 said:Let’s not twist the argument here. You’re actually the one who arrogantly labeled people—those who enjoy an old movie or look back on their youth in America with a bit of nostalgia—as "Jupeks" or "JUPESes," not me. Honestly, this habit of making up silly coins, acronyms, and labels for everything belongs in cheap American tabloids or trashy talk shows, not in our conversation.

There is no such thing as "JUPESes" or "HAPESes." The people you’re calling Jupeks were, at every single moment, perfectly aware Americans and patriots. They proved that both at the start of the nineties and back in '71. Just like today and then, we were Americans; it didn't matter if someone didn't like it or if our country happened to be America at the time—that didn't make us any less American. And let's be realistic: during one specific stretch of that state's existence (somewhere between the mid-60s and mid-80s), we all lived together in that country with more dignity and stability than most of us do today.

And unlike some of these newly minted "turbo-Americans" who love to spout nonsense, we lived normal lives. It isn't true that we were afraid to openly identify as Americans and Catholics. We went to church and religious education; we celebrated Christmas and Easter openly without hiding, and nobody pressured us for it. We weren't even mass-enrolling in the Communist Party, yet we still managed to find work and provide for ourselves.

You don't need to lecture me on what kind of state or regime it was; my family went through the hell of labor camps and having everything seized in '45, and God knows they faced prison in '71 too, so I certainly don't miss that state or its regime. But the fact remains that the period I mentioned allowed for a more decent, dignified life than what the majority of Americans experience today. It’s only natural that many look back with nostalgia on a time when a regular paycheck meant you could take your family to the coast, when retirees weren't scavenging through dumpsters, and when banks weren't evicting people from their homes just because they missed two mortgage payments.

Just look around. Look at the inverted reality we live in now. Everything around us is crumbling and decaying, and we’re struggling more and more just to stay afloat. And as for poor America, which we fought so bloodily for, we essentially sold it off. We surrendered our sovereignty without a fight; even showing up for the referendum felt like a struggle, and now foreign powers are writing our laws and dictating everything—from how many tons of sugar or milk we can produce to how many tanks we’re allowed to own. Are we independent? Are we masters of our own destiny? Not a chance. So, don't act surprised that people aren't happy about it and that they look back fondly on times that were different.

The issue isn't the past or people's nostalgia for it; the issue is the current situation. If things weren't this bad right now, there would be far less talk about this so-called "Yugo-nostalgia."

You talk about arrogance while picking fights with these "turbo-Americans"...

If living under a dictatorship feels normal to you—regardless of how much grace we actually had (which is another story)—then it doesn't for me. Save your fairy tales for someone else.

Richard Wilson4 said:You talk about arrogance while picking fights with these "turbo-Americans"...

If living under a dictatorship feels normal to you—regardless of how much grace we actually had (which is another story)—then it doesn't for me. Save your fairy tales for someone else.

And what do you actually know about that dictatorship? Did you live through it? Did you feel its weight? We can't talk about anything because you clearly have no clue what you're talking about.🤷 Price, my parents used to tell me stories about how the cat lost its tail just to teach me a lesson; bring them here so they can write instead of you peddling nonsense and telling everyone else how life was back in America.

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boldcyclist67 said:Let’s not twist the argument here. You’re actually the one who arrogantly labeled people—those who enjoy an old movie or look back on their youth in America with a bit of nostalgia—as "Jupeks" or "JUPESes," not me. Honestly, this habit of making up silly coins, acronyms, and labels for everything belongs in cheap American tabloids or trashy talk shows, not in our conversation.

There is no such thing as "JUPESes" or "HAPESes." The people you’re calling Jupeks were, at every single moment, perfectly aware Americans and patriots. They proved that both at the start of the nineties and back in '71. Just like today and then, we were Americans; it didn't matter if someone didn't like it or if our country happened to be America at the time—that didn't make us any less American. And let's be realistic: during one specific stretch of that state's existence (somewhere between the mid-60s and mid-80s), we all lived together in that country with more dignity and stability than most of us do today.

And unlike some of these newly minted "turbo-Americans" who love to spout nonsense, we lived normal lives. It isn't true that we were afraid to openly identify as Americans and Catholics. We went to church and religious education; we celebrated Christmas and Easter openly without hiding, and nobody pressured us for it. We weren't even mass-enrolling in the Communist Party, yet we still managed to find work and provide for ourselves.

You don't need to lecture me on what kind of state or regime it was; my family went through the hell of labor camps and having everything seized in '45, and God knows they faced prison in '71 too, so I certainly don't miss that state or its regime. But the fact remains that the period I mentioned allowed for a more decent, dignified life than what the majority of Americans experience today. It’s only natural that many look back with nostalgia on a time when a regular paycheck meant you could take your family to the coast, when retirees weren't scavenging through dumpsters, and when banks weren't evicting people from their homes just because they missed two mortgage payments.

Just look around. Look at the inverted reality we live in now. Everything around us is crumbling and decaying, and we’re struggling more and more just to stay afloat. And as for poor America, which we fought so bloodily for, we essentially sold it off. We surrendered our sovereignty without a fight; even showing up for the referendum felt like a struggle, and now foreign powers are writing our laws and dictating everything—from how many tons of sugar or milk we can produce to how many tanks we’re allowed to own. Are we independent? Are we masters of our own destiny? Not a chance. So, don't act surprised that people aren't happy about it and that they look back fondly on times that were different.

The issue isn't the past or people's nostalgia for it; the issue is the current situation. If things weren't this bad right now, there would be far less talk about this so-called "Yugo-nostalgia."

Technically accurate, though I think it really depends on where you were living. There wasn't one universal truth because things weren't the same everywhere. Take El Paso or Ilok, for example. Ilok was known as an Nationalists stronghold, so the local Americans there weren't exactly the most popular group. Sure, anyone could go to church without getting murdered for it, but let's be real—you had to watch your step. Highly educated, smart people often couldn't work according to their actual abilities because various Communist thugs were running the show as bosses. I’m speaking from my own experience here. But what’s the point? Even with those inadequate salaries, if you consider your education, people actually lived quite well. It’s not saying there wasn't injustice, just that things are much worse now than they were then. Today, even if you're highly educated, there's zero guarantee in this country that you'll be able to build a dignified life.

You don't need to explain the nature of that state or regime to me. My family endured the hell of concentration camps and having everything seized in '45, and God knows we faced imprisonment in '71 too. I certainly don't miss that era or that regime. However, the fact remains that the period mentioned above allowed for a more decent and dignified life than what the vast majority of Americans face today. It’s only natural that many look back with nostalgia to a time when a single paycheck could take the whole family to the coast, when retirees weren't scavenging through dumpsters, and when banks weren't kicking people out of their homes just because they missed two mortgage payments.

Every word is spot on.

Just look around. Look at the inverted reality we live in today. Everything around us is crumbling and decaying, and we are struggling harder and harder just to stay afloat. And poor America, which we fought so bloodily for, has been sold off. We surrendered its sovereignty without a fight; even showing up for the referendum was a struggle. Now, foreigners write our laws and dictate everything—from how many tons of sugar or milk we can produce to how many tanks we are allowed to own. Are we independent? Are we masters of our own fate? Not a chance. So why are you surprised that people hate this and look back on different, better times with nostalgia?

Five stars, honestly. But why are you "defending" him? He didn't fight for anything; he was just a kid. Now that he actually has the chance to fight for his ideals, all he does is post on a forum. That's his only hobby.

silentcobra80 said:And what do you actually know about that dictatorship? Did you live through it? Did you feel its weight? We can't talk about anything because you clearly have no clue what you're talking about.🤷 Price, my parents used to tell me stories about how the cat lost its tail just to teach me a lesson; bring them here so they can write instead of you peddling nonsense and telling everyone else how life was back in America.

Look, I'm not trying to lecture anyone.

For me, living in a dictatorship is just unacceptable, regardless of whether my belly is full or if I've landed some cushy government job where I don't have to worry about getting fired—which, by the way, we still see plenty of in public service today.

I'm just saying, maybe certain things work for you, but they don't work for me.

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Honestly, I’ve just about had it. I read a lot of threads here even if I don't chime in constantly, and in every single one, that Richard Wilson4 guy pops up like some unwanted guest. He loves telling people how they should feel, how they *did* feel, or what they went through—it's constant. But when it actually mattered, when people needed someone to roll up their sleeves and help their neighbors in El Paso, he was nowhere to be found. It honestly makes my stomach turn watching this nonsense.

It’s getting out of hand. When someone aggressively jumps into discussions like this, appearing everywhere to lecture everyone else, you really need to know what kind of person is actually behind those posts.

The people who actually spent time in the trenches and fought so that guys like him could sit around and enjoy life today? They’re much more moderate, yet they get mocked by these blowhards. It just makes no sense.

boldcyclist67 said:Let’s not twist the argument here. You’re actually the one who arrogantly labeled people—those who enjoy an old movie or look back on their youth in America with a bit of nostalgia—as "Jupeks" or "JUPESes," not me. Honestly, this habit of making up silly coins, acronyms, and labels for everything belongs in cheap American tabloids or trashy talk shows, not in our conversation.

There is no such thing as "JUPESes" or "HAPESes." The people you’re calling Jupeks were, at every single moment, perfectly aware Americans and patriots. They proved that both at the start of the nineties and back in '71. Just like today and then, we were Americans; it didn't matter if someone didn't like it or if our country happened to be America at the time—that didn't make us any less American. And let's be realistic: during one specific stretch of that state's existence (somewhere between the mid-60s and mid-80s), we all lived together in that country with more dignity and stability than most of us do today.

And unlike some of these newly minted "turbo-Americans" who love to spout nonsense, we lived normal lives. It isn't true that we were afraid to openly identify as Americans and Catholics. We went to church and religious education; we celebrated Christmas and Easter openly without hiding, and nobody pressured us for it. We weren't even mass-enrolling in the Communist Party, yet we still managed to find work and provide for ourselves.

You don't need to lecture me on what kind of state or regime it was; my family went through the hell of labor camps and having everything seized in '45, and God knows they faced prison in '71 too, so I certainly don't miss that state or its regime. But the fact remains that the period I mentioned allowed for a more decent, dignified life than what the majority of Americans experience today. It’s only natural that many look back with nostalgia on a time when a regular paycheck meant you could take your family to the coast, when retirees weren't scavenging through dumpsters, and when banks weren't evicting people from their homes just because they missed two mortgage payments.

Just look around. Look at the inverted reality we live in now. Everything around us is crumbling and decaying, and we’re struggling more and more just to stay afloat. And as for poor America, which we fought so bloodily for, we essentially sold it off. We surrendered our sovereignty without a fight; even showing up for the referendum felt like a struggle, and now foreign powers are writing our laws and dictating everything—from how many tons of sugar or milk we can produce to how many tanks we’re allowed to own. Are we independent? Are we masters of our own destiny? Not a chance. So, don't act surprised that people aren't happy about it and that they look back fondly on times that were different.

The issue isn't the past or people's nostalgia for it; the issue is the current situation. If things weren't this bad right now, there would be far less talk about this so-called "Yugo-nostalgia."

If you hadn't been acting so smug and picking fights, I would've just stayed quiet. But since you won't let it go, here’s a perfect quote from Raspudić's analysis to shut down this whining.

JUPES

Jutesov's naive, incompetent, mostly ideological descendant—depending on when he was born, he grew up on Polet, KROQ, and Feral. He’s a loser of the transition, unlike his more successful brother Jupek. He finds peace in the mass culture of the old America from the eighties, or later stuff from the region. Along the way, he soaked up those liberal-hedonistic values of the capitalist West, but he's frustrated because he can't afford to consume them like he wants to. For all his misery, he blames the Herzegovinians, Harmon, and the tycoons.

That doesn't mean everyone watching those shows, listening to decent rock, or remembering a stronger soccer league is like that.
But when they start moaning about "how everything was better before," I honestly can't take them seriously.

America is definitely in a crisis, but after 25 years, it's hard to have a crystal-clear view. No matter how aggressive or arrogant people claim to be, they're mixing up missing their youth with the current economic mess.

Richard Wilson4 said:Look, I'm not trying to lecture anyone.

For me, living in a dictatorship is just unacceptable, regardless of whether my belly is full or if I've landed some cushy government job where I don't have to worry about getting fired—which, by the way, we still see plenty of in public service today.

I'm just saying, maybe certain things work for you, but they don't work for me.

Man, get a grip! Go help the local charity, fight for your actual ideals, go volunteer on a levee project instead of lecturing people right here. From what I gather, you finished college, but it seems like a waste when there's nothing behind the eyes. We can talk about dictatorships in a separate thread, but when someone says life was better back in America, they aren't making a political statement. They're stating a fact: life was simply better. You felt more secure, and for most people, that was the reality. Period. There's no "left wing" or "right wing" argument here.

You write about dictatorship like you actually know something about it. Have you ever even felt its weight on your own skin? What do you know? Do you want me to pull up a photo of Washington, D.C. from the 70s, packed with people outside the cathedral? Why bring up these false premises?

In certain places, like El Paso for instance, it’s true you were treated like a second-class citizen if you weren't a member of the Communist Party or if you went to church, but even then, it wasn't like that everywhere. My father-in-law lived in Virovitica; he was a manager at a construction firm, and guess what? He wasn't in the Communist Party and he went to church. So, just chill out. Even those who were sidelined lived better, and that is a simple, plain fact.

If you had kids to worry about and if you had actually lived through life in America, maybe you’d be a bit more level-headed. Then you might see why so many people say life was better, rather than throwing around this "dictatorship" talk as if we were living in Romania.

And frankly, it’s hypocritical for you to talk about having a "full stomach" when you're still living off your parents and approaching thirty. What do you know anything about an empty stomach or real struggle?

Richard Wilson4 said:If you hadn't been acting so smug and picking fights, I would've just stayed quiet. But since you won't let it go, here’s a perfect quote from Raspudić's analysis to shut down this whining.

JUPES

Jutesov's naive, incompetent, mostly ideological descendant—depending on when he was born, he grew up on Polet, KROQ, and Feral. He’s a loser of the transition, unlike his more successful brother Jupek. He finds peace in the mass culture of the old America from the eighties, or later stuff from the region. Along the way, he soaked up those liberal-hedonistic values of the capitalist West, but he's frustrated because he can't afford to consume them like he wants to. For all his misery, he blames the Herzegovinians, Harmon, and the tycoons.

That doesn't mean everyone watching those shows, listening to decent rock, or remembering a stronger soccer league is like that.
But when they start moaning about "how everything was better before," I honestly can't take them seriously.

America is definitely in a crisis, but after 25 years, it's hard to have a crystal-clear view. No matter how aggressive or arrogant people claim to be, they're mixing up missing their youth with the current economic mess.

Perhaps if you stepped outside for a moment and engaged with people in person, you would realize that every single individual is a universe unto themselves, and no attempt to categorize them into neat little boxes can ever truly capture their complexity. For heaven's sake, music, films, and series were higher quality in the past, but should people really stop enjoying them just because of Raspudić or folks like him? It’s honestly quite painful to witness!

Richard Wilson4 said:If you hadn't been acting so smug and picking fights, I would've just stayed quiet. But since you won't let it go, here’s a perfect quote from Raspudić's analysis to shut down this whining.

JUPES

Jutesov's naive, incompetent, mostly ideological descendant—depending on when he was born, he grew up on Polet, KROQ, and Feral. He’s a loser of the transition, unlike his more successful brother Jupek. He finds peace in the mass culture of the old America from the eighties, or later stuff from the region. Along the way, he soaked up those liberal-hedonistic values of the capitalist West, but he's frustrated because he can't afford to consume them like he wants to. For all his misery, he blames the Herzegovinians, Harmon, and the tycoons.

That doesn't mean everyone watching those shows, listening to decent rock, or remembering a stronger soccer league is like that.
But when they start moaning about "how everything was better before," I honestly can't take them seriously.

America is definitely in a crisis, but after 25 years, it's hard to have a crystal-clear view. No matter how aggressive or arrogant people claim to be, they're mixing up missing their youth with the current economic mess.

Who on earth are you to tell people what they've confused? Who do you think you are? You aren't exactly the brightest bulb in the box, are you? And who cares who you take seriously and who you don't? Nobody cares about some nobody who hasn't achieved anything and is only famous on this forum for acting like a know-it-all. Get a grip.

What "clear picture"? What are you even talking about, man? The system today is set up so anyone can rob us blind. That’s why we haven't managed to develop any further in these last 25 years. It's not the war's fault anymore, and it's not Mike or Stanley's fault—it's the social structure and corrupt politicians working hand-in-hand with the mob.

There is no "nostalgia for youth" if you're claiming life was actually better back then.

I'm young right now, and I've seen plenty. So, who are you to tell me how I should feel?

And I'll always ask you this next time I see you acting like such a smart-ass: You, who are so exhausting in certain threads, playing the big-shot American... where were you when signatures were being collected? Where were you when the levees were being built? Where were you just now when people actually needed help?? Was it too hard to step away from the comfort of your house and your computer?

Richard Wilson4 said:Look, I'm not trying to lecture anyone.

For me, living in a dictatorship is just unacceptable, regardless of whether my belly is full or if I've landed some cushy government job where I don't have to worry about getting fired—which, by the way, we still see plenty of in public service today.

I'm just saying, maybe certain things work for you, but they don't work for me.

Back when I was in my 20s and 30s, I didn't necessarily feel like I was living in a dictatorship. It was common knowledge: if you joined the Republican Party, you had to dance to their tune, but if you weren't part of the inner circle, nobody gave you the time of day—unless you really wanted to rub people the wrong way. I've stayed apolitical to this day because I just don't trust politics. There's an old saying that whether it's a king or an emperor riding, there's always a horse to carry them both. 🤷 I catch movies every now and then, and they really take me back to my younger days! I watched "The Godfather" the other day and it reminded me of how, back then, I was often in the theater with at least a five-dollar bill in my hand!🙂

graniteharbor502 said:Perhaps if you stepped outside for a moment and engaged with people in person, you would realize that every single individual is a universe unto themselves, and no attempt to categorize them into neat little boxes can ever truly capture their complexity. For heaven's sake, music, films, and series were higher quality in the past, but should people really stop enjoying them just because of Raspudić or folks like him? It’s honestly quite painful to witness!

Maybe you're the one who needs to step outside if you actually think nothing worth watching or listening to has happened since the Berlin Wall fell.

We've got the internet now. If you can't face a movie theater or a Starbucks, at least use your computer.

Look, I'm not trying to lecture anyone. Do whatever makes you happy. Your life, your business.

ruggedmason13 said:Back when I was in my 20s and 30s, I didn't necessarily feel like I was living in a dictatorship. It was common knowledge: if you joined the Republican Party, you had to dance to their tune, but if you weren't part of the inner circle, nobody gave you the time of day—unless you really wanted to rub people the wrong way. I've stayed apolitical to this day because I just don't trust politics. There's an old saying that whether it's a king or an emperor riding, there's always a horse to carry them both. 🤷 I catch movies every now and then, and they really take me back to my younger days! I watched "The Godfather" the other day and it reminded me of how, back then, I was often in the theater with at least a five-dollar bill in my hand!🙂

Oh, I'm sure he'll explain it to you soon enough. He'll tell you that you absolutely *did* feel like you were living in a dictatorship. Slow down there; you don't actually have your own opinion. He knows exactly how you felt. You're just confusing a better quality of life with simple nostalgia for your youth.🤣

silentcobra80 said:Who on earth are you to tell people what they've confused? Who do you think you are? You aren't exactly the brightest bulb in the box, are you? And who cares who you take seriously and who you don't? Nobody cares about some nobody who hasn't achieved anything and is only famous on this forum for acting like a know-it-all. Get a grip.

What "clear picture"? What are you even talking about, man? The system today is set up so anyone can rob us blind. That’s why we haven't managed to develop any further in these last 25 years. It's not the war's fault anymore, and it's not Mike or Stanley's fault—it's the social structure and corrupt politicians working hand-in-hand with the mob.

There is no "nostalgia for youth" if you're claiming life was actually better back then.

I'm young right now, and I've seen plenty. So, who are you to tell me how I should feel?

And I'll always ask you this next time I see you acting like such a smart-ass: You, who are so exhausting in certain threads, playing the big-shot American... where were you when signatures were being collected? Where were you when the levees were being built? Where were you just now when people actually needed help?? Was it too hard to step away from the comfort of your house and your computer?

That’s just your take.
And hey, maybe you're right for yourself.

But I'm telling you, it’s a mix of this current economic mess, being twenty-five years older, and just not keeping up with how everyone uses social media and all that stuff now.

Who knows who's actually right? Everyone sees things through a different lens.

Richard Wilson4 said:Maybe you're the one who needs to step outside if you actually think nothing worth watching or listening to has happened since the Berlin Wall fell.

We've got the internet now. If you can't face a movie theater or a Starbucks, at least use your computer.

Look, I'm not trying to lecture anyone. Do whatever makes you happy. Your life, your business.

What a manipulator. Where did he actually say there hasn't been any good music or movies after 1990?😕 He’s just assuming his own tastes are superior, and we all know you can't argue with preference—unless you think you have the right to preach to people.

It's wild how you twist words and people actually fall for it. Nobody in this thread claimed that movies and music stopped existing after 1989.

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I’m with you. Most people just sit down with some popcorn to zone out, not because they’re trying to relive the Great Depression or some old war era. If someone doesn't like what's on, they've got a remote to change the channel. It's that simple. Both sides of the aisle agree on that one.

Richard Wilson4 said:That’s just your take.
And hey, maybe you're right for yourself.

But I'm telling you, it’s a mix of this current economic mess, being twenty-five years older, and just not keeping up with how everyone uses social media and all that stuff now.

Who knows who's actually right? Everyone sees things through a different lens.

See, because you didn't live through that era, you're going to insist you're right.

I honestly don't know how to phrase this without sounding rude, but it seems like logic is a foreign concept to you.

Back then, the average family could head down to Florida for ten days straight without a single worry. They had steady jobs, they owned their homes, people were building houses, life was easy, and books were free... it really didn't matter who was handing out the loans or why, or whether some massive corporations were running the show. People lived better lives, and that is the bottom line.🤷

Those giant conglomerates would struggle to stay afloat in today's climate, but whatever—that's not the point. We are talking about when life was actually better.

Nowadays, the average family has to stop and think twice about whether they can even afford a trip to the coast, let alone how long they can stay.

Pure logic tells you that life was better back then, regardless of how smugly Richard Wilson4 tried to argue his way out of it.

silentcobra80 said:What a manipulator. Where did he actually say there hasn't been any good music or movies after 1990?😕 He’s just assuming his own tastes are superior, and we all know you can't argue with preference—unless you think you have the right to preach to people.

It's wild how you twist words and people actually fall for it. Nobody in this thread claimed that movies and music stopped existing after 1989.

Look, man, you're taking this way too personally and getting aggressive with me for no reason.

If some random troll I run into online said this, I'd be loving the drama. But honestly, I haven't had a problem with you so far, and I really don't feel like going back and forth on this.
I'm out. You guys go ahead and keep crying about "the good old days." Maybe I'll join the club one day.
PEACE

Richard Wilson4 said:Look, man, you're taking this way too personally and getting aggressive with me for no reason.

If some random troll I run into online said this, I'd be loving the drama. But honestly, I haven't had a problem with you so far, and I really don't feel like going back and forth on this.
I'm out. You guys go ahead and keep crying about "the good old days." Maybe I'll join the club one day.
PEACE

Oh, so I'm being "too aggressive"? That's just because I can't stand people like you. We aren't "colleagues" or anything, so let's not pretend. We’d actually be peers if you had shown up when the local football team needed help, or if you’d been out there helping with the levee repairs back in St. Louis, or if you actually did something useful for someone today. Then we could talk about being equals.

You're all bark and no bite. You do absolutely nothing, yet you have the nerve to tell people how they feel or how they used to feel.

And then, the second you get backed into a corner, you pull that classic "I'm bowing out of this discussion" routine. It's such an old trick with you. I honestly don't know how you live in that bubble of yours.