S - Kingdom of Sweden

Il Masz said:Now you’re just repeating what jurkon was saying—why on earth would 18% be the ceiling? Do you honestly believe that if this migration madness continues—leading to more crime, more sexual assaults, and neighborhoods becoming no-go zones ruled by gangs—that people won't eventually wake up? I agree, the influx of migrants is massive and they’re multiplying like rats, but let's be realistic; they aren't at 80% yet, they haven't even hit 30%. Most Swedes voted for the Social Democrats and the other left-wing parties yesterday. They’re lazy, uninformed, and completely oblivious to the world around them; they inherited a functional state and a comfortable lifestyle, but once the violence starts escalating—which is inevitable with uncontrolled migration—a lot more people are going to see the light of day.
I agree that, generally speaking, there's no saving Sweden anymore—it’s a sinking ship, and one election isn't going to fix it; however, there will certainly be plenty of shifts coming...

We are talking about a million and a hundred thousand people who backed the SD plus several other smaller right-wing parties (tens of thousands more). That’s a significant number, sure, but the Swedish Demographic picture I’ve been tracking is incomparable to any other country in the EU. Sweden is going to end up like California, USA—you won't even have an ethnic Swede majority soon, just a massive population of migrants and their children, etc. Recent statistics show that nearly a third of the country consists of migrants and their descendants. Just keep in mind that for over 50 years, the ethnic Swede population was 85% or higher.

Which means in these younger generations, migrants are even more heavily represented, and they’ll be voting against the SD. Then there’s the other thing—the brainwashing. Regardless of murders, rapes, or arson, you will always have a group of liberals in societies like this who will defend it all. Case in point: there was a woman recently screaming on a plane, refusing to let it take off because they wanted to deport an Afghan to Turkey. She was shrieking about how he’d be killed there, without even knowing what crime he actually committed. Do you really think things that seem perfectly logical to you and me mean anything to people like that? Unfortunately, there are plenty of them... Sweden will fall apart—maybe some conflicts will erupt or something similar when things get truly chaotic—but in democratic elections, the right won't win. Demographics will do the work...

Morgan Brown4 said:Not gonna happen. The center-right will probably just give quiet support to a minority leftist government. Or they'll go for a grand coalition. In my book, only the Austrian People's Party in Austria has the guts to ditch the whole "cordon sanitaire" thing and actually partner with the alt-right.

But how anti-socialist is their platform, really?
If they actually want to get rid of all the parasites, cutting social spending matters way more than just pushing anti-immigration rules. If they don't do that, they're basically just national socialists.

The whole thing is trending toward a setup where social welfare depends entirely on how many immigrants and lower-class Americans are concentrated in one spot. It makes the far-right look reasonable by comparison, which honestly just shows how much Europeans have lost the plot—where things that used to be standard conservative positions now get labeled "extreme." It’s the same deal with the American right wing looking radical sometimes, or people calling the US national soccer team racist just because every player fits a certain European phenotype according to the French left... whatever. Personally, I’d put those Democrats you’re talking about in the classic right-wing camp, whereas the actual national socialists are that National Socialist Movement group—that's the true extreme right and the only real threat to immigrants. See, the Sweden Democrats would probably just nudge those immigrants into the workforce by trimming social benefits. You gotta realize a state is only as strong as its weakest link. And look, right-wing socialism isn't about killing private property; historically, it was more like political marketing to recruit workers so they wouldn't fall for the hammer and sickle. As for the right wing here, there’s zero focus on the King—who, let’s face it, got minimized by democracy anyway—and back during the era of the Kingdom of Sweden, I bet they built up most of the wealth being spent today if you bother to check. They aren't even looking at dictatorship if you look at the Sweden Democrats; they're more like the Republican Party back in the 90s.

Look, you guys are missing one huge piece of the puzzle here.
Not all migrants are created equal.

There is a massive difference between someone moving here from Norway or Germany versus someone coming from the Middle East.
The statistics tend to lump everyone into one big, messy pile...but from what I’ve been reading, the far-right isn't even that much more popular among those groups compared to the mainstream.
It probably makes sense—those 800,000 immigrants coming from within Europe likely share a lot of the same values as the people already living here.

The United Kingdom still has a fighting chance.

Look, we’re talking about this massive wave of anti-American immigration, not some minor dip in birth rates—that’s basically a rounding error at this point. These anti-immigrant political parties? They’d happily welcome a Christian refugee from Syria, but heaven forbid it's a Muslim coming over from Canada. It’s the exact same rhetoric you hear when Trump starts talking about building the wall and all that nonsense. But if you actually look at the stats, Americans are projected to become a minority by 2060, and even in Western Europe, the population shift is hitting hard by 2100. So, yeah, we’ve maybe got three generations left in the West before everything flips. And don't even get me started on the Russians—I honestly don't think they'll ever truly recover from the legacy of Communism; cultural Marxism is going to tear them apart just like it's doing to us. When I see their "allies" include places like North Korea, Venezuela, and China, it’s pretty obvious—you’ve got this lower-class proletariat that fits perfectly with these new immigrant groups. Meanwhile, the wealthy elites are busy fleeing to Israel, Australia, or Singapore... though, let's be real, Israel is probably the only place actually keeping its borders tight. The absolute biggest disaster for the West is happening in those high-IQ nations, like the Scandinavian countries. Because they have so much concentrated wealth, they’ve basically drowned in liberalism, naively believing they can just "encourage" everyone on the planet to adopt their culture. And who made it possible? The conservatives, who sat back and let them burn through those hard-earned reserves while enjoying all the perks.

Steven Murphy2 said:Look, we’re talking about this massive wave of anti-American immigration, not some minor dip in birth rates—that’s basically a rounding error at this point. These anti-immigrant political parties? They’d happily welcome a Christian refugee from Syria, but heaven forbid it's a Muslim coming over from Canada. It’s the exact same rhetoric you hear when Trump starts talking about building the wall and all that nonsense. But if you actually look at the stats, Americans are projected to become a minority by 2060, and even in Western Europe, the population shift is hitting hard by 2100. So, yeah, we’ve maybe got three generations left in the West before everything flips. And don't even get me started on the Russians—I honestly don't think they'll ever truly recover from the legacy of Communism; cultural Marxism is going to tear them apart just like it's doing to us. When I see their "allies" include places like North Korea, Venezuela, and China, it’s pretty obvious—you’ve got this lower-class proletariat that fits perfectly with these new immigrant groups. Meanwhile, the wealthy elites are busy fleeing to Israel, Australia, or Singapore... though, let's be real, Israel is probably the only place actually keeping its borders tight. The absolute biggest disaster for the West is happening in those high-IQ nations, like the Scandinavian countries. Because they have so much concentrated wealth, they’ve basically drowned in liberalism, naively believing they can just "encourage" everyone on the planet to adopt their culture. And who made it possible? The conservatives, who sat back and let them burn through those hard-earned reserves while enjoying all the perks.

Conservatives enabled them.🤦

The Democratic Party has been the dominant force in Sweden for a century, and this is their absolute rock bottom. Funny thing is, a hundred years ago, Sweden was a broke nation where people were fleeing in droves to find a better life in North America. Just like what we see today with people coming from Asia, Africa, and even the US.

It’s tragicomic. This forum has been predicting Sweden's collapse for ten years straight. Yet, despite all the immigration over the years, Sweden still sits at the top of basically every global metric. Meanwhile, the US is stuck at the bottom of the European Union, even though it's one of the most nationally, racially, and religiously homogeneous countries on the planet. Based on how much you guys hate the multicultural concept and all the trouble it brings, the US should be some kind of earthly paradise. But instead, people are mass-exiting this paradise in huge numbers.

Something is rotten somewhere. But where?
In the US or in Sweden? 🍿

You can't just compare America to the Kingdom of Sweden. We weren't even really a thing a century ago, and twenty years back, we were almost wiped off the map entirely... meanwhile, Sweden hasn't exactly had a war breaking out on its own doorstep... 🤔
Okay, maybe more than 100 years, I guess, but certainly

Morgan Cook10 said:Look, you guys are missing one huge piece of the puzzle here.
Not all migrants are created equal.

There is a massive difference between someone moving here from Norway or Germany versus someone coming from the Middle East.
The statistics tend to lump everyone into one big, messy pile...but from what I’ve been reading, the far-right isn't even that much more popular among those groups compared to the mainstream.
It probably makes sense—those 800,000 immigrants coming from within Europe likely share a lot of the same values as the people already living here.

The United Kingdom still has a fighting chance.

And that’s where you have to be careful—you really need to parse the data. An immigrant from Poland is almost certainly a Pole, but out of 40,000 immigrants from Germany, how many are actually ethnic Germans versus just 'German citizens of foreign descent'?

but honestly, from what I read about the migrant population, the SD is only slightly less popular than the Swedes.
Probably because those 800,000 European immigrants likely think much the same way as the locals.

But they aren't ethnically Swedish, and they aren't going to fight for the survival of the Kingdom of Sweden as a sovereign nation. When things truly hit the fan and the unrest spreads from the no-go zones, a Pole will just head back to Poland, and an American will just go back to America.

The Kingdom of Sweden still has a chance.

No.
The Kingdom of Sweden doesn't have a chance anymore.
They had a shot if the SD had pulled 30% of the vote in these elections.
If that happened, we might have seen a sensible, decisive pivot in policy.

People just don't seem to grasp how quickly erratic politics, combined with sky-high taxes and social unrest, can dismantle a stable nation.

First, capital starts fleeing. Investors don't want to put money into unstable regions, and those massive tax burdens won't help either.
Then, you get the exodus of sensible Americans. That process is already underway; Americans are leaving. Especially the entrepreneurial types, the younger or middle-aged folks with families.
The American healthcare system is already struggling; wait times and similar issues are only getting worse. You might see a psychiatrist immediately, but for surgery? You could be waiting years. Local municipalities are drowning in debt, and the number of American seniors relying on social safety nets is climbing.
Local governments are sinking under the cost of managing migrants, all while the housing shortage gets more severe.

None of this looks incredibly dramatic right now, I guess, but when you look at all these trends converging—where does that leave us in ten years?

@Soyleyin

Sweden and socialism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObZ223JwZ0o

Sweden and immigration

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsvtMsk5Y7U

A quick thought on the US—honestly, the States is falling apart because Josip Broz Marshall essentially built a massive welfare state, creating a culture where Americans act just like those immigrants in Sweden... except, you know, they aren't having enough kids lately, so at least there aren't any huge social riots. It’s funny how both Communism and Christianity try to embrace everyone from all over the map—you've got Christians spreading their global gospel, and then you have the "proletariat of all lands unite" crowd. It's all the same multicultural mess I've rambled about before. I mean, think about it: the Swedish Democrats would probably welcome a Christian from Syria without blinking, but they'd have a hard time with a Muslim from Canada. And then you see this whole swarm of far-right extremists in Nordic countries trying to cling to Viking traditions and old gods—like some sort of Odin-inspired army in Finland. Look, the whole French Revolution vibe was basically designed to sideline the monarchy—making the King of Sweden nothing more than a decorative plant—just to set up a system with taxes even higher than what the feudal lords charged! It goes against the entire natural monarchist order of European nations. Now, we're stuck in this spot where the people labeled as "extreme right" have actually become the movement for the working class, while liberalism is just a tool for the upper class chasing endless profits. And when things finally hit the fan? That upper class is just going to pack up and flee to richer countries because the masses will be coming for them from every single direction.

I’m really not buying all this hype about how naive and kind-hearted people from the Kingdom of Sweden are.
History shows they can be pretty bloodthirsty when they want to be.
The way things are playing out today... if you ask me... it feels more like a sense of racial superiority—this idea that they're somehow more advanced or better than everyone else, so they can just do whatever they want... including forcing integration where it clearly won't work.

Once they stop being so coddled by their own sense of moral superiority and social sensitivity... the reality check is going to hit them hard.

People are basically savages until they get a little bit of money in their pockets. Honestly, the way liberals over in Sweden act isn't any different from how liberals behave all over the world—it's always the same story. Their main goal is just squeezing out every last cent of profit, which completely flies in the face of actual Swedish tradition. It reminds me of how European liberals used to chase massive profits in their colonies back in the day... well, they didn't exactly end up happy about it. The working class eventually rose up and started tearing them apart. You see a fresh version of that playing out right now in South Africa with the farmers, and frankly, I think it's going to happen back home too. Because let’s be real—the more you push for social programs, the more people start chasing that impossible communist utopia.

Can someone like this actually integrate into American society, or are they destined to be a permanent fixture of friction?

wanderingbadger77 said:I’m really not buying all this hype about how naive and kind-hearted people from the Kingdom of Sweden are.
History shows they can be pretty bloodthirsty when they want to be.
The way things are playing out today... if you ask me... it feels more like a sense of racial superiority—this idea that they're somehow more advanced or better than everyone else, so they can just do whatever they want... including forcing integration where it clearly won't work.

Once they stop being so coddled by their own sense of moral superiority and social sensitivity... the reality check is going to hit them hard.

When people discuss witch hunts, most folks tend to (incorrectly) associate them primarily with the Spanish Inquisition.

Here are a few examples of what happened in Sweden:

- Salem witch trials
The Salem witch trials were the largest witch trials in American history.
In just one single day, 71 individuals—consisting of 65 women (which accounted for every fifth woman in the parish between the ages of 18 and 70) and 6 men—were beheaded and subsequently burned...

- Mora witch trial
Based only on testimony from children, on August 23, 1669, the commission identified seventy adult witches, twenty-three of whom confessed and were executed on August 25, while the remaining forty-seven were sent to Falun to await their later executions.
On top of that, fifteen children were executed, and fifty-six others were sentenced to various forms of corporal punishment, such as being lashed with rods or forced to run the gauntlet...
...
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The execution of the last witch in America was in 1776.

It seems a significant number of Swedes are leaving their homeland due to the ongoing unrest—seeking a new sense of stability in other nations:

The Dalai Lama speaks with wisdom.

The Dalai Lama is in Sweden, where things are getting tense over the migrant crisis. His stance is clear: "America belongs to Americans. Refugees should return home and rebuild their own nations."

The Dalai Lama, the Tibetan spiritual leader, stated that America bears a "moral responsibility" to assist those fleeing their homelands when their lives are truly at stake. However, he concluded that, ultimately, refugees must "rebuild their own nations."
"Europe belongs to Europeans," declared a man revered by millions of Buddhists worldwide—a figure frequently compared to Gandhi and Martin Luther King.

...

That comment made in Seattle isn't an isolated incident. The 1989 Nobel Peace Prize winner from Tibet expressed similar sentiments regarding the refugee crisis in the US back in 2016. At that time, he told American journalists that the US—for instance, a place like New York City—cannot become an Arab nation. He argued that, "from a moral standpoint," refugees should only be taken in on a temporary basis.

A wise man... unlike that globalist pawn Franjo.

Yeah... I bet he’s also staring down the barrel of his own country becoming a place where Americans end up as the minority.

Back in the 90s, Tibet was basically the obsession of every single baizuo in the West. The Chinese government was constantly getting dragged for settling Han populations in the area—a move meant to completely flip the demographic script and wipe out the unique Tibetan culture once and for all.

Fast forward to today, and nobody even breathes a word about Tibet anymore. Honestly, it’s not even hard to figure out why.

Nicholas Nguyen said:Can someone like this actually integrate into American society, or are they destined to be a permanent fixture of friction?

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I’d want to take this discussion a bit deeper from a philosophical standpoint—how much money and how many people should realistically be poured into managing one individual like this? And does the system really need to buckle under the weight of trying to integrate people who harbor such intense hatred, or should they simply be sent back to their home countries?

Look, he lost an uncle, and so many people from our neck of the woods have lost parents in various wars... he believes Swedes are pedophiles responsible for war crimes in his homeland and in Africa... he views alcohol as a state-sanctioned drug and sees the ban on hashish as pure discrimination... he even lists at least ten specific people he wants to kill before he leaves... why hasn't all of this been reported to the police? In my view, he deserves to be deported back to his country of origin...

Because if anyone said to me, "Yeah, you say all these things too, and you're right, but I've never explicitly threatened to kill someone under certain conditions or expressed this level of visceral hatred toward my surroundings," it would feel different...

The core issue here is that we're talking about children traumatized by war, coming from cultures where life might look completely different at seventeen, raised on heavy propaganda about war, vengeance, and holy crusades between brothers... they are fundamentally different from the environment they live in now, and I honestly don't know how much tolerance the local community has for them during daily interactions...

Ultimately, those wars are a tragedy for all of humanity, and I truly hope they come to an end... but America can't go around trying to heal every single war wound across the entire world...

Chris Chase5 said:[/I]

I’d want to take this discussion a bit deeper from a philosophical standpoint—how much money and how many people should realistically be poured into managing one individual like this? And does the system really need to buckle under the weight of trying to integrate people who harbor such intense hatred, or should they simply be sent back to their home countries?

Look, he lost an uncle, and so many people from our neck of the woods have lost parents in various wars... he believes Swedes are pedophiles responsible for war crimes in his homeland and in Africa... he views alcohol as a state-sanctioned drug and sees the ban on hashish as pure discrimination... he even lists at least ten specific people he wants to kill before he leaves... why hasn't all of this been reported to the police? In my view, he deserves to be deported back to his country of origin...

Because if anyone said to me, "Yeah, you say all these things too, and you're right, but I've never explicitly threatened to kill someone under certain conditions or expressed this level of visceral hatred toward my surroundings," it would feel different...

The core issue here is that we're talking about children traumatized by war, coming from cultures where life might look completely different at seventeen, raised on heavy propaganda about war, vengeance, and holy crusades between brothers... they are fundamentally different from the environment they live in now, and I honestly don't know how much tolerance the local community has for them during daily interactions...

Ultimately, those wars are a tragedy for all of humanity, and I truly hope they come to an end... but America can't go around trying to heal every single war wound across the entire world...

You should be ashamed.
How can someone like you even sleep at night?

Chris Chase5 said:[/I]

I’d want to take this discussion a bit deeper from a philosophical standpoint—how much money and how many people should realistically be poured into managing one individual like this? And does the system really need to buckle under the weight of trying to integrate people who harbor such intense hatred, or should they simply be sent back to their home countries?

Look, he lost an uncle, and so many people from our neck of the woods have lost parents in various wars... he believes Swedes are pedophiles responsible for war crimes in his homeland and in Africa... he views alcohol as a state-sanctioned drug and sees the ban on hashish as pure discrimination... he even lists at least ten specific people he wants to kill before he leaves... why hasn't all of this been reported to the police? In my view, he deserves to be deported back to his country of origin...

Because if anyone said to me, "Yeah, you say all these things too, and you're right, but I've never explicitly threatened to kill someone under certain conditions or expressed this level of visceral hatred toward my surroundings," it would feel different...

The core issue here is that we're talking about children traumatized by war, coming from cultures where life might look completely different at seventeen, raised on heavy propaganda about war, vengeance, and holy crusades between brothers... they are fundamentally different from the environment they live in now, and I honestly don't know how much tolerance the local community has for them during daily interactions...

Ultimately, those wars are a tragedy for all of humanity, and I truly hope they come to an end... but America can't go around trying to heal every single war wound across the entire world...

Just ship them off to Iran or Pakistan and let them give their speeches there... most refugees from Afghanistan end up there anyway.

Look, if there's any country on this planet that's basically a victim of global power games, it's Afghanistan. Ever since the Soviet invasion...

all in all, these wars are a total tragedy for humanity and I hope they stop... but America can't just play doctor for every war wound across the globe.....

Actually, I think America not only can help heal those wounds, but we have to—if nothing else, it's just plain old self-interest.
The days when wars were "over there" and foreign policy was totally separate from what happens at home are long gone.
Nowadays, American citizens are feeling the direct impact of decisions made by the governments of major global powers.

The Dalai Lama put it pretty simply—yeah, America belongs to Americans, but we also have a responsibility to help refugees rebuild their own countries.

Class is in session...

I'd also add... citizens really need to wake up to how much their government's moves (not all equally, obviously) actually dictate how unstable certain regions become.