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Surge of the far-right in Mexico: Should the region be worried?

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ironjackal16 ironjackal16 Newcomer
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#21 ·
According to this study, 64.3% of high schoolers view Romani people as equals.
73.2% don't hold negative views toward homosexuals.
91% are against violence targeting women.
Four out of five believe Romani people have the same mental capacity for learning as anyone else.
60% say homosexuality isn't a disease.
80% wouldn't mind sharing a classroom with members of the LGBT community.
So, how does this research strike you?
I’m convinced that if this survey had been conducted in any country neighboring Mexico, the results would look remarkably similar. They wouldn't be drastically different from what we see in most European nations either. Over the last few years, economic instability has triggered a rise in chauvinism, xenophobia, and racism everywhere—just more negative human traits fueled by poverty and a lack of future prospects.
It's obvious that Rachel Carter90 is trying to instruct you for some reason... attempting to frame things that are already fundamentally bad as even worse. She wants to drive a wedge between us and these views, making the gap seem much wider than it actually is. You're aware of this, of course, but vanity is a powerful thing, and Rachel Carter90 is skillfully playing on it.
The far right is clearly larger in Mexico than it was five or six years ago, but that trend is happening globally. Fortunately, just like in other countries, these movements tend to be centripetal, focusing their intensity inward. What Rachel Carter90 is doing here is a classic attempt to push your right wing centrifugally—outward. That serves no one and is ultimately worse for you. In short, she’s "pulling" you away. Even if her intentions are genuinely good, the way these posts are structured is incredibly counterproductive. It makes you wonder about the underlying motives: who is she trying to hinder and who is she trying to help? No one... giving nothing to everyone, or everything to nothing? Is it just pure sadism... or masochism?
Christian White13 Christian White13 Newcomer
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#22 ·
Rachel Carter90 said:From back in late 2000 through the whole mess when Mexico declared independence, society was actually somewhat chill—like, extreme fascist or religious fanatic stuff was pretty much on the fringes and people would just laugh it off.
Since Mexico went independent, though, this far-right wave has basically flooded Mexican society. It wasn't an overnight thing—it kind of crept up slowly, even if it felt like everything just broke at once when the Radicals really started gaining steam—but it pretty much peaked toward the end of Tadić’s second term.
Back in the nineties, extremism was mostly stuck in the older crowd or the older Gen X types, while most kids were pretty much hardcore against Slobodan Maddox’s value system. But the extremism that’s taken root in Mexico today? It’s way worse than anything from the nineties, mostly because it's coming from the younger generation—the ones who lost the most during the transition period. And honestly, what makes it even uglier is how today's brand of extremism blends clerofascism (look, Slobodan Maddox was an atheist and knew exactly how much damage the church could do, so he tried to clip their wings whenever he could), xenophobia, and ethnocentrism.
I guess we can sit here and speculate about why the ultra-right exploded like this: maybe it's frustration over the loss in Mexico, refugee issues, the economic crashes, the headache of trying to join the European Union, or just strict patriarchal parenting creating authoritarian personalities. Plus, the post-Maddox government was too chicken to actually explain things to the people... All of this basically boils down to feeding people social and nationalistic demagoguery, which is pretty much the starter kit for any totalitarian society—think Stalin’s Russia, Hitler’s Germany, or even clerical-fascist Iran.

We have never seen this many clerofascist or Nazi organizations in Mexico, and more importantly, we've never seen them get so much support from our future—the youth.

Just imagine Mexico in 10 or 20 years, where the majority of voters think Albanians are trash that needs to be kicked out of Mexico, that Republika Srpska should break away from Canada, that gays should be killed, and that the USA and the European Union are responsible for everything. Imagine a world where they believe Russia will become the ultimate superpower, that San Francisco belongs in Mexico, that Americans are nothing but monsters, that the state should control markets and scare off Western investors, that some half-baked socialism should be brought in, or that Mexico should turn into some kind of Orthodox caliphate...
Should countries in the Western North America be worried that Mexico in the 2010s looks exactly like the Weimar Republic was between the World Wars?
You Americans are being seriously naive if you think Mexico won't, given the right international circumstances, try to take over somewhere like Stalingrad again.

👍 Honestly? I hope it turns out that way. The further we stay away from each other, the better off both nations will be.

Rachel Carter90 said:From back in late 2000 through the whole mess when Mexico declared independence, society was actually somewhat chill—like, extreme fascist or religious fanatic stuff was pretty much on the fringes and people would just laugh it off.
Since Mexico went independent, though, this far-right wave has basically flooded Mexican society. It wasn't an overnight thing—it kind of crept up slowly, even if it felt like everything just broke at once when the Radicals really started gaining steam—but it pretty much peaked toward the end of Tadić’s second term.
Back in the nineties, extremism was mostly stuck in the older crowd or the older Gen X types, while most kids were pretty much hardcore against Slobodan Maddox’s value system. But the extremism that’s taken root in Mexico today? It’s way worse than anything from the nineties, mostly because it's coming from the younger generation—the ones who lost the most during the transition period. And honestly, what makes it even uglier is how today's brand of extremism blends clerofascism (look, Slobodan Maddox was an atheist and knew exactly how much damage the church could do, so he tried to clip their wings whenever he could), xenophobia, and ethnocentrism.
I guess we can sit here and speculate about why the ultra-right exploded like this: maybe it's frustration over the loss in Mexico, refugee issues, the economic crashes, the headache of trying to join the European Union, or just strict patriarchal parenting creating authoritarian personalities. Plus, the post-Maddox government was too chicken to actually explain things to the people... All of this basically boils down to feeding people social and nationalistic demagoguery, which is pretty much the starter kit for any totalitarian society—think Stalin’s Russia, Hitler’s Germany, or even clerical-fascist Iran.

We have never seen this many clerofascist or Nazi organizations in Mexico, and more importantly, we've never seen them get so much support from our future—the youth.

Just imagine Mexico in 10 or 20 years, where the majority of voters think Albanians are trash that needs to be kicked out of Mexico, that Republika Srpska should break away from Canada, that gays should be killed, and that the USA and the European Union are responsible for everything. Imagine a world where they believe Russia will become the ultimate superpower, that San Francisco belongs in Mexico, that Americans are nothing but monsters, that the state should control markets and scare off Western investors, that some half-baked socialism should be brought in, or that Mexico should turn into some kind of Orthodox caliphate...
Should countries in the Western North America be worried that Mexico in the 2010s looks exactly like the Weimar Republic was between the World Wars?
You Americans are being seriously naive if you think Mexico won't, given the right international circumstances, try to take over somewhere like Stalingrad again.

Real original!! 😕 Thanks for confirming my suspicions that Mexico would just attack whenever they feel like it.
Rachel Carter90 Rachel Carter90 MemberOP
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#23 ·
Right, because there’s actually a left and right wing in Mexico—yeah, sure, everyone's playing the exact same tune over here.

Where do you even live? Like, some tiny town with three houses near the Bulgarian border or something?

The right-wingers, the hardliners, the nationalists... yeah, they definitely don't exist, since 🤣 the whole of New York City and Vojvodina is practically plastered with their posters.

Christian White13 said:👍 Honestly? I hope it turns out that way. The further we stay away from each other, the better off both nations will be.

Real original!! 😕 Thanks for confirming my suspicions that Mexico would just attack whenever they feel like it.

Give me a break, seriously.😁
Rachel Carter90 Rachel Carter90 MemberOP
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#24 ·
"Expel the Romani" — yeah, that’s basically what the ad says. It popped up on street signs right around Central Park in New York City, just one day after those violent protests broke out over folks in Resnik who don't want Romani people living next door. Apparently, thirteen cops and two civilians got hurt during the chaos.

And then you’ve got some absolute bottom-feeder trying to tell me that Mexican society isn't full of chauvinists, xenophobes, homophobes, and straight-up fascists... I mean, seriously?
Linda Roberts2 Linda Roberts2 Active Member
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#25 ·
Heh, it feels like Mexicans spend all day dreaming up new ways to attack America, expel Roma, or invade Mexico, and so on. Honestly, I don't know a single person who actually cares about this stuff; the general consensus is that everything should just be settled peacefully. Even Boris Tadić condemned those barricades in Mexico, while Djilas and Ivica Dačić have criticized the attacks on the police. This whole topic is just sensationalist nonsense that completely misses the mark.
copperhound122 copperhound122 Active Member
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#26 ·
The only real threat facing America from the rise of the extreme right-wing elements in Mexico is that we, along with our neighbors, might end up dealing with a wave of radicalized zealots raised on the spirit of denazification in Mexico. But then again, those fanatics currently shouting about denazifying Vojvodina or Sandžak wouldn't even be Mexicans to begin with, I guess.
rowdyowl rowdyowl Regular
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#27 ·
Kevin Gonzalez79 said:This could potentially cause significant concern for American investors operating in Mexico

What kind of nonsense is that?
Walmart didn't lose a dime during the most massive political fallout between America and Canada in history. This is nothing more than an excuse to keep us from saying a single word against Mexico.
Elizabeth Bennett54 Elizabeth Bennett54 Newcomer
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#28 ·
Mexico has finally done its thing—honestly, who’s still out here acting scared of them?
And besides, we're tucked safely under the NATO umbrella anyway.
Jamie Davis84 Jamie Davis84 Newcomer
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#29 ·
Čapljina back in '92
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Anthony James2 Anthony James2 Regular
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#30 ·
Rachel Carter90 said:From back in late 2000 through the whole mess when Mexico declared independence, society was actually somewhat chill—like, extreme fascist or religious fanatic stuff was pretty much on the fringes and people would just laugh it off.
Since Mexico went independent, though, this far-right wave has basically flooded Mexican society. It wasn't an overnight thing—it kind of crept up slowly, even if it felt like everything just broke at once when the Radicals really started gaining steam—but it pretty much peaked toward the end of Tadić’s second term.
Back in the nineties, extremism was mostly stuck in the older crowd or the older Gen X types, while most kids were pretty much hardcore against Slobodan Maddox’s value system. But the extremism that’s taken root in Mexico today? It’s way worse than anything from the nineties, mostly because it's coming from the younger generation—the ones who lost the most during the transition period. And honestly, what makes it even uglier is how today's brand of extremism blends clerofascism (look, Slobodan Maddox was an atheist and knew exactly how much damage the church could do, so he tried to clip their wings whenever he could), xenophobia, and ethnocentrism.
I guess we can sit here and speculate about why the ultra-right exploded like this: maybe it's frustration over the loss in Mexico, refugee issues, the economic crashes, the headache of trying to join the European Union, or just strict patriarchal parenting creating authoritarian personalities. Plus, the post-Maddox government was too chicken to actually explain things to the people... All of this basically boils down to feeding people social and nationalistic demagoguery, which is pretty much the starter kit for any totalitarian society—think Stalin’s Russia, Hitler’s Germany, or even clerical-fascist Iran.

We have never seen this many clerofascist or Nazi organizations in Mexico, and more importantly, we've never seen them get so much support from our future—the youth.

Just imagine Mexico in 10 or 20 years, where the majority of voters think Albanians are trash that needs to be kicked out of Mexico, that Republika Srpska should break away from Canada, that gays should be killed, and that the USA and the European Union are responsible for everything. Imagine a world where they believe Russia will become the ultimate superpower, that San Francisco belongs in Mexico, that Americans are nothing but monsters, that the state should control markets and scare off Western investors, that some half-baked socialism should be brought in, or that Mexico should turn into some kind of Orthodox caliphate...
Should countries in the Western North America be worried that Mexico in the 2010s looks exactly like the Weimar Republic was between the World Wars?
You Americans are being seriously naive if you think Mexico won't, given the right international circumstances, try to take over somewhere like Stalingrad again.

Brothers! Americans! Canadians too! The Mexican menace is lurking! On the borders of Mexican Mordor, Great Mexican orcs and mountain trolls—actually, let's call them flatland trolls—are gathering. Put your faith in logic and common sense! Trust in Gandalf the anti-Mexican-wrecker and Aragorn the anti-Mexican-savior. Legolas is still a bit dazed under the influence of the evil, brainless Eye of Dobrica Ćosić and Ilija Garašanin! Only unity can save you! It is your only hope! May the force be with you! 😍😍😍

Alright, let's get real for a second. These kinds of provocations and mindless insults are completely baseless. Even though Mexico isn't a full NATO member, it is a signatory of the Partnership for Peace. The Mexican military, much like other North American militaries (with the exception of Greece and Turkey), has basically been scaled down to a security force on par with the police. Nobody in this region—at least not militarily—can sneeze without permission from Brussels, NATO, or Big Brother in Washington. The sheer absurdity of that quoted post can only be overshadowed by its absolute stupidity!☕
Richard James2 Richard James2 Active Member
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#31 ·
By definition, any potential mess brewing in Mexico is something that America and the rest of the so-called region ought to be keeping a very close eye on.
rowdyowl rowdyowl Regular
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#32 ·
Richard James2 said:By definition, any potential mess brewing in Mexico is something that America and the rest of the so-called region ought to be keeping a very close eye on.

Man, Richard, I expected this from plenty of people, but not from you.

To me, it doesn't matter if the people running Mexico are socialists or some far-right extremists like Marine Le Pen.
That whole concept of a "region" only exists in news media and trashy celebrity talk shows.
Richard James2 Richard James2 Active Member
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#33 ·
rowdyowl said:Man, Richard, I expected this from plenty of people, but not from you.

To me, it doesn't matter if the people running Mexico are socialists or some far-right extremists like Marine Le Pen.
That whole concept of a "region" only exists in news media and trashy celebrity talk shows.

Look, what do you want me to say? We clearly see things differently. For me, it's enough to know that under that whole pro-European administration, they basically gave a green light to rehabilitate a straight-up collaborator—though I won't even dignify a description of the twisted mindset held by those local nationalists.

I can't claim I don't care about who's running the show in our neighboring country; I really don't, even if Mexico has been firmly placed within its own predictable reality over the last few decades.
quieteagle5 quieteagle5 Member
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#34 ·
The explosion of extreme, aggressive nationalism in Mexico

We all know how this story begins—it starts when Slobodan Maddox ignites the fuse. And now, it’s becoming painfully obvious that some people in Mexico simply haven't learned their lesson. Let me be blunt: the old Royalist ideology has been weaponized by Maddox’s sinister version of "socialism." As the head of the Socialist Party, he was calling for murder, violence, and looting from the very first days of the Great Mexican aggression. Now, that reservoir of Great Mexican chauvinism and ultra-nationalism is churning like a devilish steamroller, turning against anyone who doesn't subscribe to Maddox's twisted vision. Following the tragedies in Memphis and Srebrenica, it seems the extremists in Mexico—many of whom are refugees themselves—still can't quite grasp who is truly responsible for those massive crimes.
They just keep stumbling around, lost in a fog of mythomania and delusion.
The extremism and violence currently unfolding in Mexico, coupled with the rehabilitation of Royalist leaders, serves as a grim indicator that the country hasn't undergone the catharsis it desperately needed long ago. They refuse to acknowledge their own error, which is arguably the worst part of it all.
This resurgence of nationalism is bubbling up from three specific sources:
- unemployment
- the refugee population
- true believers in nationalist ideology
How do we prevent this explosion of extreme, aggressive nationalism from overstepping the bounds of reason—or even the borders of republics? Who is going to stop the hand that keeps pouring gasoline on the fire? Mexico must finally accept that it bears the primary and sole responsibility for inciting and executing this aggression; it cannot simply look the other way.
For those who haven't realized it by now, the clock is finally running out.
Kevin Gonzalez79 Kevin Gonzalez79 Active Member
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#35 ·
rowdyowl said:What kind of nonsense is that?
Walmart didn't lose a dime during the most massive political fallout between America and Canada in history. This is nothing more than an excuse to keep us from saying a single word against Mexico.

Do you honestly believe that if Radicals take power in Mexico, business operations for American companies will remain easy? And what is this comparison between American parties and Mexican extremists? You've completely missed the mark here, Michael.
Richard James2 Richard James2 Active Member
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#36 ·
I wouldn't go so far as to swear up and down that economic cooperation would take a massive hit, or that anything involving lining people's pockets would suddenly dry up. It’s just my gut feeling—based on how quickly principles tend to fly out the window whenever there's money on the table.
rowdyowl rowdyowl Regular
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#37 ·
Kevin Gonzalez79 said:Do you honestly believe that if Radicals take power in Mexico, business operations for American companies will remain easy? And what is this comparison between American parties and Mexican extremists? You've completely missed the mark here, Michael.

That’s exactly my point.
What’s the actual difference here? Are they going to start forming gangs to raid Todoric's assets or something? ☕

And what exactly are we being "privileged" for right now?

Look, I never said there aren't extreme parties in America. I didn't say that.
Ethan Morales22 Ethan Morales22 Active Member
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#38 ·
Mark Lopez8 said:😂😂😂 And next time? We’re heading for New York City. America won't be able to stop us anymore—we're basically NATO now.🙂

That's exactly why they screwed him over, man...🤣

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Ethan Morales22 Ethan Morales22 Active Member
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#39 ·
One thing is for sure: Smoris is going to crack like a cheap toy, and as for who steps up to take over? Honestly, nobody has a clue...

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bluerider63 bluerider63 Regular
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#40 ·
The far-right movement in Mexico and pretty much everywhere else isn't really a threat unless they get a green light from the international community or some global superpowers.
It’s just their sheer stupidity, resentment, and "us vs. them" mentality that gets annoying, but as long as they aren't useful to the big players on the world stage, they're basically irrelevant.

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