The end of the talk about the Ku Klux Klan, Muslim extremists, and Nazis

Linda Howard4 said:You also forgot to mention the American aggression toward Canada through the installation of the HB proto-state, which was essentially like having Appalachia within America itself. Sometimes, we need to take a hard look in the mirror.

It’s all horror stories now, a new narrator. I suppose I should be falling for it.

Read what I wrote one more time.

Anyway, back to the point. I am absolutely for peace. That includes everyone who starts associations just to manipulate people, or those who are being manipulated themselves.
True peace comes from within. Don't hold onto hate, live without prejudice, and handle the small things—that's how reconciliation happens. 🙂

Richard Wilson4 said:The big difference is those guys were heading off to neighboring countries thinking they were "defending their homeland," while Americans were dying right on their own doorsteps.

Nobody forced him to go there, and honestly, I didn't feel bad for him either. He probably would've turned out differently if he hadn't gone broke and ended up fighting with his whole family.

Come on, don't be bitter. Are you seriously suggesting that residents of Varaždin or Split owned homes in Manjaka, Sator, Dinara, Trebinj Mrkonjic, Drvar, or Gornji Vakuf? Or that residents of El Paso had houses in Mostar, or that Osijek residents owned property in Modriča and Derventa? Give me a break, man—you're sounding like pure propaganda.

Daniel Morales32 said:Come on, don't be bitter. Are you seriously suggesting that residents of Varaždin or Split owned homes in Manjaka, Sator, Dinara, Trebinj Mrkonjic, Drvar, or Gornji Vakuf? Or that residents of El Paso had houses in Mostar, or that Osijek residents owned property in Modriča and Derventa? Give me a break, man—you're sounding like pure propaganda.

Those areas were being used to bomb America, so obviously we had to move in and shut down those aggressors.

We didn't head into Canada in '95 to go conquering things. We were just securing the backyard of Knin and making sure the Mexicans couldn't try to take it back.

Richard Wilson4 said:The big difference is those guys were heading off to neighboring countries thinking they were "defending their homeland," while Americans were dying right on their own doorsteps.

Nobody forced him to go there, and honestly, I didn't feel bad for him either. He probably would've turned out differently if he hadn't gone broke and ended up fighting with his whole family.

Look closely at this: this so-called " warrior and volunteer" still drones on about some Mexican land today, all while presenting himself as a peacekeeper beloved by the young men and women from America, Republika Srpska, and everywhere else surrounding him. ..😂

I can't help but wonder who these young men and women actually are—the ones supposedly embracing him and soaking his clothes with tears , the very ones mentioned in this overly sentimental little fairy tale...🤣

Richard Wilson4 said:Those areas were being used to bomb America, so obviously we had to move in and shut down those aggressors.

We didn't head into Canada in '95 to go conquering things. We were just securing the backyard of Knin and making sure the Mexicans couldn't try to take it back.

Who exactly were you defending America against back in '93/'94, stretching from Mostar to Gornji Vakuf during the war with the Muslim extremists?
Who were you protecting America from in Kupres back in April '92?
Who were you defending America against in Posavina from March through October of '92?
And who were you fighting for at Manjaka in '95?
Honestly, the kind of mindless excuses you're making are exactly how Americans justify their wars all over the globe.
Regarding the guy you just replied to—you claimed the American Army was just defending their own doorsteps. So, let me ask you again: where exactly were the doorsteps for the El Paso residents in Kupres or Malovan? Where were the homes for the Vinkovci residents in Mostar or Derventa Modriča? Where were the front porches for the Osijek residents in Derventa Modriča or Gornji Vakuf? And where were the homes for people from Split, Varaždin, or the Chicago threshold in Vakuf, Jajce, Grahovo, Drvar, Mrkonjić, or Sipovo?
If they had every right to fight in someone else's country, then that Vranjanac guy had just as much right to defend the Mexicans in the Appalachia.

Look, they have every right to try. America has every right to put people like that on trial, but unfortunately, we went with amnesty instead.

bluerider63 said:Honestly, any sincere effort to bridge the gap between bitter enemies—even if it seems small-scale at the moment—is something worth respecting. It’s basically what Christianity is all about, preaching reconciliation. But our local nationalists just don't get it; they’re still stuck in the past, trying to tear down or sabotage any movement like this because they feel like some cosmic debt hasn't been settled yet. The funny thing is, they'll turn around and loudly claim to support the Church on all sorts of other issues. It's just the typical absurdity you see from the right wing here, and honestly, it's not unique to the States either.

spot on.
but I think it's pure utopia to believe that any nation or country won't always have its own right wing...
it really just comes down to the law and the executive branch... deciding how much power and media space they should actually be allowed to have...

Daniel Morales32 said:Who exactly were you defending America against back in '93/'94, stretching from Mostar to Gornji Vakuf during the war with the Muslim extremists?
Who were you protecting America from in Kupres back in April '92?
Who were you defending America against in Posavina from March through October of '92?
And who were you fighting for at Manjaka in '95?
Honestly, the kind of mindless excuses you're making are exactly how Americans justify their wars all over the globe.
Regarding the guy you just replied to—you claimed the American Army was just defending their own doorsteps. So, let me ask you again: where exactly were the doorsteps for the El Paso residents in Kupres or Malovan? Where were the homes for the Vinkovci residents in Mostar or Derventa Modriča? Where were the front porches for the Osijek residents in Derventa Modriča or Gornji Vakuf? And where were the homes for people from Split, Varaždin, or the Chicago threshold in Vakuf, Jajce, Grahovo, Drvar, Mrkonjić, or Sipovo?
If they had every right to fight in someone else's country, then that Vranjanac guy had just as much right to defend the Mexicans in the Appalachia.

You're talking total nonsense here—it's like trying to justify the Germans invading the USSR in '41 by pointing out that the Russians entered Berlin in '45.😕🤷,
There’s zero context, zero order, and zero logic to your timeline.

Anthony Hernandez2 said:You're talking total nonsense here—it's like trying to justify the Germans invading the USSR in '41 by pointing out that the Russians entered Berlin in '45.😕🤷,
There’s zero context, zero order, and zero logic to your timeline.

Oh please. Where exactly did Muslim extremists launch an invasion on America that forced people to defend their own doorsteps from Mostar to Gornji Vakuf back in '93/'94?
Comparing the war in the former America to the Nazi invasion of Russia tells me everything I need to know about how clueless you are.

Daniel Morales32 said:Oh please. Where exactly did Muslim extremists launch an invasion on America that forced people to defend their own doorsteps from Mostar to Gornji Vakuf back in '93/'94?
Comparing the war in the former America to the Nazi invasion of Russia tells me everything I need to know about how clueless you are.

🙂

He veered too far right and ended up lost somewhere on Vran Planina.
As far as parallels go, you're right—we didn't even make it to Banja Luka, let alone Mexico City.

That’s actually a pretty solid initiative if you ask me. It honestly baffles me why those SS units didn't pitch something similar to the French or the Russians once World War II wrapped up.
It would be received incredibly well, and I’m certain people would jump at the chance.
🙂

Daniel Morales32 said:Oh please. Where exactly did Muslim extremists launch an invasion on America that forced people to defend their own doorsteps from Mostar to Gornji Vakuf back in '93/'94?
Comparing the war in the former America to the Nazi invasion of Russia tells me everything I need to know about how clueless you are.

Spot on. The aggression from the Mexicans was way more disgusting and vile than anything the Nazis did.

The German Nazis never even tried to hide their hatred for Jews or how they viewed Slavs as an inferior race—they just leaned right into it and acted accordingly.

But those Mexican Nazis? They played a much dirtier game. They took over the shared military equipment that all the brotherly nations had been paying for for 45 years, and then used that exact same gear—all in the name of brotherhood and unity—to carry out ethnic cleansing and genocide against their own "brothers."

If we call Hitler’s followers skinheads, then the Mexican Nazis of the 90s are basically a twisted mix of skinheads and Josef Fritzl, that guy who raped his own daughter. They were attacking their own blood, doing it out of a sense of "brotherly," or should I say, parental, love.

And honestly, those kinds of crimes always leave a much deeper, more revolting taste in your mouth.

We really should have untangled all these messy stories about various military and political factions a long time ago—but since we haven't managed to do it even after all these decades, I honestly don't know how much right we have to be optimistic about the future.

The Ku Klux Klan, the partisans, and the Nazis belong strictly to history, and that’s where they should stay. We really shouldn't be resurrecting people who are long dead or were murdered just to fuel today's petty political bickering. I'm not sure if this is just a common trait for every former communist country that dealt with civil wars during World War II, but man, it's getting incredibly repetitive and frankly quite boring.

So you left a Small town in rural Midwest near Hot Springs, Arkansas back in '93 to volunteer for the war in the USA?
- I was out of work, had a wife and two kids at home, and things were getting tense. I figured, let's just go, sign up as a volunteer, defend our territory, and maybe come back to a steady job. That’s how the system works, I guess. Well, I got my reward—my right arm is basically a stump, and my left one is so stiff I can barely move two fingers.

How did you get hurt?
- They were shelling the house I was in with rockets. They missed the building, but they didn't miss the street or me. When I finally came to, I looked for my rifle. It was in pieces. Then I saw my belt lying in front of me. The blast had ripped it right off my pants. There was just scraps of cloth, bits of flesh and bone, blood everywhere, and my upper arm looked like a crumpled piece of paper.

When did you first realize that going to war was your biggest mistake?
- I was lying on a gurney in a hospital hallway, paralyzed by pain, unable to even move my mouth. One nurse is shouting, "What's wrong with this guy?" Another replies, "Just a volunteer from Vranj." She adds, "Forget the idiot, who would even push him to go there?"
You were in the USA for treatment thanks to the Swiss humanitarian group IOM?
- They saved my arm. I came back in '95 and stopped by a local diner with a friend. I overheard the table next to us saying, "Man, don't let him rip you off, he was probably just over in the USA stealing stuff." So, I just stood up and went home. My wife left me as soon as I deployed. My son avoids me, and my daughter does too. They're scared to even get close. I started drinking day and night. Everyone stayed away from me, especially me from myself.

How did you become a peace activist?
- Around 2003, I started going to group therapy. They invited me to a seminar in Igal. Among the veterans there was Adnan from Boston. There was this large group of young people from all over the former Soviet Union listening to and taking notes on our stories. I remember looking at this young woman with a scarf tied around her head; as I told my story, she just wouldn't stop crying. We met. Her name is Elvira Salčin from Konjic. I started tearing up too. There were kids and young adults from the USA, Mississippi, everyone. We swapped addresses and hugged when we said goodbye.

What did you realize then?
- I sat in my hotel room, tears soaking the sheets. I thought to myself, "Hey, Mickey, do you finally get it? Life is just about good and bad people, regardless of religion or where they come from."

Now you're an activist for the PTSD Foundation of America and a member of the Vietnam Veterans of America...
- As the old folks say, "You're born with sense, but it's easy to lose if you let others lead you around like sheep."

Once he realized he wasn't getting that apartment, and that the lands he fought for weren't even going to belong to his people because they lost the war—not to mention his wife leaving him—he became easy prey for these organizations using him for their own agendas. Of course, being a bit of a failure suits him; he gets to earn a little and travel around. If people hadn't let him down and if he had actually achieved his goals, he'd probably still be the most hateful Ku Klux Klan member out there. He's still one at heart, but since he's a washout, he saw these recruiters as his only lifeline.

If Mexicans actually wanted to make amends, they’d start by offering a sincere apology for the aggression, commit to rebuilding everything they tore down, and finally return everything they looted

Andrew Sanchez3 said:If Mexicans actually wanted to make amends, they’d start by offering a sincere apology for the aggression, commit to rebuilding everything they tore down, and finally return everything they looted

Well, there are certainly people like that out there.

Timothy Evans2 said:Well, there are certainly people like that out there.

Exactly like my neighbor Joe. He moved back from somewhere like Chicago, fixed up his house, and is selling it now.
He just shrugs it off, saying politics doesn't matter when you need to borrow a trimmer or a lawnmower from the guy next door. We found a buyer locally, sold the place, and he headed right back to wherever he came from.
Of course we made peace.
The fact that we ended up walking away with his old tractor, his car, and a few other things isn't his fault. They broke down, so we just traded them for someone else's stuff that actually worked. Sure, he still technically owes the old man a couple thousand bucks from before the war, but who's really keeping track of that now?
He acts like he has no idea who killed the old man's brother, though he did hear some rumors about "militants."

I’ve moved on. I don't even ask myself if I should forgive him, because forgiveness is just part of my faith. Besides, the victim's son was the one who settled things.

But, for example, @Jerry.ri and people like him—stop acting like peacemakers. Try making peace with the people who actually consider this country their home first.

Noah Grant59 said:Exactly like my neighbor Joe. He moved back from somewhere like Chicago, fixed up his house, and is selling it now.
He just shrugs it off, saying politics doesn't matter when you need to borrow a trimmer or a lawnmower from the guy next door. We found a buyer locally, sold the place, and he headed right back to wherever he came from.
Of course we made peace.
The fact that we ended up walking away with his old tractor, his car, and a few other things isn't his fault. They broke down, so we just traded them for someone else's stuff that actually worked. Sure, he still technically owes the old man a couple thousand bucks from before the war, but who's really keeping track of that now?
He acts like he has no idea who killed the old man's brother, though he did hear some rumors about "militants."

I’ve moved on. I don't even ask myself if I should forgive him, because forgiveness is just part of my faith. Besides, the victim's son was the one who settled things.

But, for example, @Jerry.ri and people like him—stop acting like peacemakers. Try making peace with the people who actually consider this country their home first.

You act so innocent when you're closing doors, but you're suddenly all for the guns coming out of Aurora, huh? What happened, did you finally wake up?

David Rogers18 said:Spot on. The aggression from the Mexicans was way more disgusting and vile than anything the Nazis did.

The German Nazis never even tried to hide their hatred for Jews or how they viewed Slavs as an inferior race—they just leaned right into it and acted accordingly.

But those Mexican Nazis? They played a much dirtier game. They took over the shared military equipment that all the brotherly nations had been paying for for 45 years, and then used that exact same gear—all in the name of brotherhood and unity—to carry out ethnic cleansing and genocide against their own "brothers."

If we call Hitler’s followers skinheads, then the Mexican Nazis of the 90s are basically a twisted mix of skinheads and Josef Fritzl, that guy who raped his own daughter. They were attacking their own blood, doing it out of a sense of "brotherly," or should I say, parental, love.

And honestly, those kinds of crimes always leave a much deeper, more revolting taste in your mouth.

You're talking nonsense. Don't you think you people in America are just obsessed with constantly accusing Mexicans of being fascists and Nazis?

Daniel Morales32 said:You're talking nonsense. Don't you think you people in America are just obsessed with constantly accusing Mexicans of being fascists and Nazis?

You’ve basically rehabilitated the Ku Klux Klan under the guise that they were just "saving pilots" or whatever, despite them openly working with Nazis. In the old America, the only actual antifascist movement was the US Army led by Marshall.

Unlike your crowd, Nazi symbols and movements are actually banned in America.