Brutal arrest, American style

Eric Richardson49 said:And hey, the cameraman just happened to have the camera rolling the second those cops casually leaned against the fence? Is it just me, or is that super sketchy? Like, if the kids weren't messing around with an air rifle, and they weren't acting out, and they had zero clue the police were even coming to visit, how did someone in the family manage to be quick enough to A) grab the camera, B) turn it on, and C) start recording before the cops even entered the yard and started having a polite chat from a distance? Makes no sense.

Maybe I'm just being too paranoid 🤷

Regarding that perfectly timed camera: anyone who knows the Krčmarek brothers knows they don't go anywhere without one. They probably had it ready the moment they saw police cruisers through the window.

I doubt the kids or anyone else was shooting at anyone with an air rifle.

The Krčmarek brothers are true patriots who always push institutions and individuals through strictly legal and legitimate channels.

Forget the badge and the hat for a second—entering private property without a warrant just because a camera is running is rock bottom.

Since I've been "asked" to turn off my own camera during police business before, I'm asking the armchair lawyers here: How do you legally ignore an illegal police order?

@ Eric Richardson49

From where I’m sitting—and I mean this quite literally—there was no actual, legitimate conversation taking place here. They failed to identify themselves properly, show any official credentials, or even state their business. That alone is more than enough justification to pull out your phone. Honestly, in certain parts of the country—or frankly, in most developed nations—people wouldn't just reach for a smartphone; they might reach for a shotgun.

Think about it: if someone knocks on your door dressed like a cop—but they have no badge, no hat, no warrant, and they’re just staring at you through sunglasses—what on earth would you do? Would you just... let them in?

Eric Richardson49 said:Yeah, totally forgot about smartphones. Mind you, mine isn't exactly top-of-the-line, so I doubt it would catch anything that good.
But here's the thing: what's even the point of filming if the homeowner and the cop were just having a regular chat? Seems to me like either someone tipped them off that the cops were coming or the whole thing was staged.

And honestly, it’s starting to get annoying how they always lead with the fact that someone’s a veteran, like that’s some kind of ultimate shield... like it matters now. People in this country are just citizens like anyone else—their kids gotta follow the rules just like everyone else's, and they gotta answer to the police if they mess up.

To be fair, that guy in the sunglasses seriously looks like he needs to be on tranquilizers (but hey, you find plenty of those types in the LAPD 🤷)... I highly doubt the fact that he targeted a vet—or that someone caught it on video—is gonna change a single thing.

The deal with cameras is that they usually have them running, especially during "confrontations" with officials, mostly for their own safety and self-defense.

Eric Richardson49 said:Yeah, totally forgot about smartphones. Mind you, mine isn't exactly top-of-the-line, so I doubt it would catch anything that good.
But here's the thing: what's even the point of filming if the homeowner and the cop were just having a regular chat? Seems to me like either someone tipped them off that the cops were coming or the whole thing was staged.

And honestly, it’s starting to get annoying how they always lead with the fact that someone’s a veteran, like that’s some kind of ultimate shield... like it matters now. People in this country are just citizens like anyone else—their kids gotta follow the rules just like everyone else's, and they gotta answer to the police if they mess up.

To be fair, that guy in the sunglasses seriously looks like he needs to be on tranquilizers (but hey, you find plenty of those types in the LAPD 🤷)... I highly doubt the fact that he targeted a vet—or that someone caught it on video—is gonna change a single thing.

True, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't. Whether or not the guy is a veteran isn't the main point, though it certainly adds another strike against the police in this whole mess.

I think people are forgetting that the police showed up because a neighbor reported kids being shot at with an air rifle, not because the kids were shooting the neighbor with an air rifle. If you can't see the difference there, you need to rethink your logic. ☕

As for the footage, whether it was a phone or a dedicated camera, it seems plausible that once people realized things were going south mid-conversation, they ducked inside to grab a camera to document the scene. Unless you're suggesting these guys are buddies with the suspect (which is possible, given they weren't wearing badges, hats, or even driving a marked cruiser), I don't see how this could be "staged." 🤷

If someone knocks on your door dressed like a cop—no badge, no hat, no warrant, and wearing sunglasses indoors—how would you react? Would you just let them right in?

Exactly! 👍

Dennis Bailey2 said:True, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't. Whether or not the guy is a veteran isn't the main point, though it certainly adds another strike against the police in this whole mess.

I think people are forgetting that the police showed up because a neighbor reported kids being shot at with an air rifle, not because the kids were shooting the neighbor with an air rifle. If you can't see the difference there, you need to rethink your logic. ☕

As for the footage, whether it was a phone or a dedicated camera, it seems plausible that once people realized things were going south mid-conversation, they ducked inside to grab a camera to document the scene. Unless you're suggesting these guys are buddies with the suspect (which is possible, given they weren't wearing badges, hats, or even driving a marked cruiser), I don't see how this could be "staged." 🤷

If someone knocks on your door dressed like a cop—no badge, no hat, no warrant, and wearing sunglasses indoors—how would you react? Would you just let them right in?

Exactly! 👍

And what's hiding behind that red Ford? 🙂

frozendrifter7 said:@ Eric Richardson49

From where I’m sitting—and I mean this quite literally—there was no actual, legitimate conversation taking place here. They failed to identify themselves properly, show any official credentials, or even state their business. That alone is more than enough justification to pull out your phone. Honestly, in certain parts of the country—or frankly, in most developed nations—people wouldn't just reach for a smartphone; they might reach for a shotgun.

Think about it: if someone knocks on your door dressed like a cop—but they have no badge, no hat, no warrant, and they’re just staring at you through sunglasses—what on earth would you do? Would you just... let them in?

I mean, I don't know. Honestly, I have no clue how I'd handle it or how I'd react, but I know for sure I wouldn't be grabbing my camera or pulling out my phone. In my neighborhood, they always roll up in a cruiser, hop out, walk straight into the yard, and ring the bell. To be real, I don't know if I'd even notice the hats. If they've got the rest of the uniform on and show up in an official vehicle, I'd probably just let them in. 🤷

As for the rest of that stuff about warrants—I'm not even sure if they need one if they're just responding to a tip about a disturbance or checking things out. Or do they? 🤔

But who knows, I've never actually dealt with the cops, so I couldn't tell ya.

frozendrifter7 said:No badges, no hats—just sunglasses and an attitude. They wander onto private property without so much as a warrant, yet somehow, they can't even handle someone offering nothing more than passive resistance.

🙈 🤦

I’m telling you, those guys weren't even actual cops; sure, the uniforms looked similar, but they definitely weren't wearing standard-issue police boots.

Look, I honestly don't know. I have no clue how she’d handle it, and frankly, I’m not sure how I’d react myself—though one thing is certain: she wouldn't be running toward a camera or pulling out her phone. In my neighborhood, people usually pull up in a car, hop out, walk straight into the driveway, and ring the bell for whoever they're visiting. To be perfectly blunt, I don't know if I'd even notice what they were wearing on their heads; if they've got the rest of the uniform on and show up in a marked Ford Crown Victoria, I'd probably just let them 🤷

Okay, so you live in a house, which makes it easy to spot an official vehicle. Personally, I'm stuck in an apartment building where I can't see the parking lot from my front door. For instance, if someone were to knock right now while I'm typing this—knock, knock—"We're here!"

They look exactly like I described above, and they want to barge into my apartment claiming someone was firing an air rifle near the neighboring building. I have zero intention of letting them in because, quite frankly, I don't believe for a second that they are actual LAPD officers.

Am I obligated to let them inside?

crimsonfalcon23 said:And what's hiding behind that red Ford? 🙂

Oops, my bad—I missed him at first. That red Renault was a total distraction. I stand corrected. 😍

Look, if everything is set up correctly and those people WEREN'T cops, why hasn't the police department just stepped up and clarified that? Surely they have some way of identifying their own officers on duty? 🤷

And no, I wouldn't just let "officers" walk into my house without them showing badges and ID numbers—not that even that provides 100% certainty. 🤷 My dad’s a hunter, so I deal with regular inspections regarding my firearms permit. They always act professionally, show their badges, and explain exactly why they're there. 🤷

Let’s say this second guy was Bruce Lee and he just absolutely lost it, taking out both officers—or maybe he just leveled one while they were stepping into the yard and grabbing him by the arm. Would they still be facing assault charges on an officer? Especially since neither of them is wearing a badge or a hat (not sure if the hat actually matters)

As for their professionalism, you can find all the proof you need in the comment sections of news articles and online forums.☕ It’s pathetic.

Am I missing something here, or is my definition of the word "brutal" just a little different from everyone else's?🤷

crimsonorca10 said:Am I missing something here, or is my definition of the word "brutal" just a little different from everyone else's?🤷

You're clearly a West Coast transplant—it's probably 😬

People claim they were only ever brutal back in America.

Look, I’m not saying excessive brutality is some kind of novelty here; it’s pretty much the standard operating procedure at this point.
But the attitude? That’s what really gets me. This blatant arrogance from the police officers... it honestly crosses every line imaginable.

frozencobra50 said:Look, I’m not saying excessive brutality is some kind of novelty here; it’s pretty much the standard operating procedure at this point.
But the attitude? That’s what really gets me. This blatant arrogance from the police officers... it honestly crosses every line imaginable.

...and that somehow makes it okay? Man, we really need to start simmering slowly... you can't just throw someone straight into boiling water.

The video feels a bit self-important because we’re missing all the context surrounding the clip itself. From what I can gather, the individual wasn't actually refusing to show ID to the officer.

That being said, the police officers certainly overstepped their bounds here.

Alright, so what was the actual trigger for them jumping a guy like that, and why did everyone lose their minds the second they spotted a camera?

frozendrifter7 said:

Look, I honestly don't know. I have no clue how she’d handle it, and frankly, I’m not sure how I’d react myself—though one thing is certain: she wouldn't be running toward a camera or pulling out her phone. In my neighborhood, people usually pull up in a car, hop out, walk straight into the driveway, and ring the bell for whoever they're visiting. To be perfectly blunt, I don't know if I'd even notice what they were wearing on their heads; if they've got the rest of the uniform on and show up in a marked Ford Crown Victoria, I'd probably just let them 🤷

Okay, so you live in a house, which makes it easy to spot an official vehicle. Personally, I'm stuck in an apartment building where I can't see the parking lot from my front door. For instance, if someone were to knock right now while I'm typing this—knock, knock—"We're here!"

They look exactly like I described above, and they want to barge into my apartment claiming someone was firing an air rifle near the neighboring building. I have zero intention of letting them in because, quite frankly, I don't believe for a second that they are actual LAPD officers.

Am I obligated to let them inside?

Absolutely not. They could be imposters. I'd ask for badge numbers, call the local precinct to verify, and if everything checks out, then I'd be totally cooperative. But fake cops are a real thing, so you gotta check with the station first.

Besides, this feels tied to those protests... feels more like they're just trying to intimidate people who might show up to march.

crimsonfalcon23 said:And what's hiding behind that red Ford? 🙂

Just a bit of context regarding police vehicles... essentially, law enforcement agencies periodically auction off their old fleet cars, with the strict condition that the buyer is responsible for stripping all police markings from the vehicle...

Hmm... though some people just don't bother. For whatever reason. Some out of pure laziness, others because they claim they "need them for work."

If the cops catch you driving around with those decals still on, the fines are pretty steep 🙂

On top of that, nobody can tell you what to do when it comes to filming—whether it's in your own driveway or out on a public street.
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Something about this doesn't sit right with me.

First;

it’s anyone's guess who actually targeted the neighbor with the air rifle—was it kids or Krčmarek?
If they're claiming it was children, I’m calling BS. The video clearly shows
they're way too young for this kind of thing.

Second;

if Krčmarek is the one being accused of using the air rifle, a few logical holes pop up. Why would he even bother? And when would he have done it? He was out at the protest Saturday night, and the police didn't show up until Sunday. Unless this happened much earlier?

Third;

anyone who’s ever had to file a report knows how passive local law enforcement can be. They don't exactly break a sweat over minor disputes. Honestly, I find it hard to believe they’d swarm someone this aggressively just because a neighbor made a complaint. Cops deal with endless piles of neighbors tattling on each other every single day; if there isn't hard evidence or something major going on, they usually just brush it off to avoid dealing with petty neighborhood drama. 🙂

Fourth;

how does it work out that they raided Krčmarek's place exactly one day after the protest? And the fact that one of them wasn't even wearing a badge—is that just a coincidence too?!