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Brutal arrest, American style

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Dennis Bailey2 Dennis Bailey2 Active Member
76 messages
joined Oct 2013
#61 ·
electricorca112 said:Even if they can't pull it off, it doesn't mean they aren't actually there. 🤷

It’s not even about whether they ought to be responsible; it’s about whether they’re actually allowed to be. That’s the only question that matters here. All this other stuff people are bringing up—like waiting for tomatoes to ripen or worrying about how tall a kid needs to be to hold a nebulizer—is just noise. It’s all just a bunch of vague, pointless distractions from the actual point. 🙄

Look, everyone needs to just accept it once and for all—and I’m looking at you, Turbulent Fluid—there is absolutely no point in trying to argue that Krčmarek is some innocent little lamb. He isn't. But the real issue here is... When we talk about how the police operate in a true constitutional democracy, things get interesting. It’s not just about catching the bad guys; it’s about the framework that keeps everything from sliding into chaos. In a country like America, the whole point of having a legal system is to ensure that power isn't just exercised on a whim. There has to be accountability. You can't just have officers acting as judge, jury, and executioner without any oversight. I was thinking about this the other day while watching a documentary about civil rights litigation. It really drives home the fact that in a free society, the rules apply to the enforcers just as much as they apply to the citizens. When the police act outside those boundaries, it doesn't just hurt the individual involved—it erodes the trust that holds the entire community together. If people don't believe the badge represents fairness, then the social contract starts to fray at the edges. It’s a delicate balance, honestly. You need effective law enforcement to maintain order, but you also need strict checks and balances to prevent overreach. It shouldn't be an "either-or" situation. We should be able to demand both public safety and absolute adherence to the rule of law. It’s easy to get caught up in the heated debates you see on the news, but when you strip away the noise, it really comes down to whether or not the institutions are actually following the playbook we wrote for them. Keeping that standard high is the only way to ensure the system remains legitimate.It’s not even about pointing fingers or deciding who’s at fault here—it's really just about figuring out who's actually right. 🙄

Exactly. Deciding "who is guilty and who is right" isn't the job description for the FBI.

First off, the officers didn't arrive while the shooting was actually happening, so they had zero grounds to just "storm in."

Second, the footage makes it obvious the officer isn't following any standard operating procedure. This wasn't a planned tactical entry; it was an impulsive reaction driven by rage because someone was filming.

Precisely. ☕ Look, I’ll call the police and file a report claiming your grandmother is out in your living room firing a shotgun through the window. When the cops show up—even if they don't see a grandmother or a gun—they'll drag you out of your house while your kids are screaming, twist your arms, and slap on the handcuffs... all without ever explaining why they're there, showing ID, or even wearing proper identification or uniforms.
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
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#62 ·
electricorca112 said:First off, the officers weren't even on the scene while the shooting was actually happening, so they didn't have any grounds to just "rush in" at that point.

Second, if you watch the video, it’s pretty obvious the officer isn't following any standard operating procedure. This wasn't a planned tactical move; it looks purely impulsive, like he just lost his cool because someone was filming him.

I haven't watched the video, and frankly, I don't feel like watching it.
What I really want to know right now is whether they actually recovered the weapon that was supposedly used in the shooting.
Look, if someone is aiming a gun at me, I wouldn't exactly be thrilled if the police showed up and then decided to sit around waiting for a warrant, or permission from God, or whatever else.
If we're talking about an active, dangerous situation, I expect the police to step up, but they need to do it with actual professionalism.
That means identifying themselves and stating their business first...
Gregory Nguyen15 Gregory Nguyen15 Member
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joined Mar 2012
#63 ·
The FBI, what can I even say about them?
Jerry Sanders4 Jerry Sanders4 Active Member
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joined Mar 2012
#64 ·
Gregory Nguyen15 said:The FBI, what can I even say about them?

Oh yeah, they probably watch way too many movies like this and start thinking they're actually something special...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjCUw...eature=related
swiftdrifter14 swiftdrifter14 Member
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joined Aug 2013
#65 ·
hollowtrucker77 said:I haven't watched the video, and frankly, I don't feel like watching it.
What I really want to know right now is whether they actually recovered the weapon that was supposedly used in the shooting.
Look, if someone is aiming a gun at me, I wouldn't exactly be thrilled if the police showed up and then decided to sit around waiting for a warrant, or permission from God, or whatever else.
If we're talking about an active, dangerous situation, I expect the police to step up, but they need to do it with actual professionalism.
That means identifying themselves and stating their business first...

Twenty hours without water in those Stalinist dungeons once known as the local police department.

Those incompetent officers showed up responding to a "call" regarding a non-existent report and some imaginary air rifle. In short, children weren't shooting at anyone—they were too small to even reach the target—and that neighbor who allegedly had tomatoes must have been growing them in a ghost greenhouse.😂

What kakav glupak, they can't even fabricate a plausible scenario to justify using force and pinning accusations on a man.🙄

Just read the statements from this citizen who has been snatched away, a veteran of our former republic!

There is nothing anyone can do to Quincy; he isn't even close to resigning, even when caught red-handed by ten different cameras, while Grbic acts like a total puppet, playing favorites with the beast.

We are seeing wiretapping occurring without any warrants, without actual threats or necessity, serving only the private interests of Quincy and his circle of VELEIZDAJNIK associates against anyone who dares to disagree with them (and who aren't even criminals).

And he isn't the only one being hauled off by the militia; there are numerous others, activists from protests or peacekeepers who simply displayed the United States Flag. Given the quality of these politicians, it’s no surprise the militia is just as bad...

http://www.dragovoljac.com/index.php...utvo&Itemid=11
Laura Mitchell87 Laura Mitchell87 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2013
#66 ·
Back when we fans tried to call out those thugs wearing an FBI uniform, you guys just laughed it off and acted like it wasn't a big deal. 🙄

The local police are a joke and they aren't doing their jobs properly. 👎
Andrew Carter60 Andrew Carter60 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2013
#67 ·
Revolution. It’s a heavy word, isn't it? When you really sit back and think about what that actually means in the context of our history here in the States, it hits differently. It's not just some stuff you read in a dusty textbook; it's about that raw, unfiltered drive to tear down an old, broken system and build something entirely new from the ground up. I remember sitting around a campfire back in my college days—just me and a few buddies out near the Rockies—arguing about whether true revolution is even possible in a country as massive and established as America. We went on for hours, fueled by cheap coffee and bad jokes, debating if change comes through slow, steady policy shifts or if you need that sudden, explosive spark to really shift the needle. To me, a real revolution isn't just about politics or changing who sits in the Oval Office. It’s a total shift in the collective consciousness. It’s when the people stop asking for permission and start demanding their seat at the table. It’s messy, it’s loud, and yeah, it’s usually pretty uncomfortable for the folks currently holding all the cards. But honestly? That discomfort is often the only way anything meaningful ever gets done. You can't fix a foundation that's rotting without eventually having to rebuild the whole house. kaže:
I wouldn't even call it that, honestly. It’s just incredibly confusing—like, you can't even begin to wrap your head around what everyone is actually thinking or what their end game is. But the real question, the one we really need to nail down, is why on earth the police have been dragged into this mess in such a bizarre way.🤷

I don't see any confusion here at all... honestly, the guy is being pretty damn consistent.

You know, if you’ve been grinding at the same job for a long time, there’s usually a massive digital paper trail left behind. It’s wild how much stuff ends up floating around on the internet once you've put in years of work. Between old forums, archived projects, and random social media posts from back in the day, everything you've ever done pretty much leaves a footprint. It’s like a permanent digital scrapbook of your entire career!

Look, you’ve gotta step back for a second and try to see the bigger picture here.
Nathan Bailey65 Nathan Bailey65 Active Member
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joined Oct 2008
#68 ·
Revolution. It’s a word that gets tossed around a lot these days, doesn't it? People throw it around like it's some sort of trendy buzzword, but they rarely stop to consider what it actually entails. Is it just a fancy way of saying "unrest," or does it truly imply a fundamental shift in the very fabric of our society? We see the rhetoric everywhere—on the news, in political speeches, scrolling through social media feeds. Everyone seems to have an opinion on how things should be overturned, yet few seem willing to face the messy, unpredictable reality of what happens once the dust settles. History teaches us that true revolution isn't just about tearing down old structures; it's about the terrifying vacuum that follows. What fills that space? Does a new order emerge from the chaos, or do we simply trade one set of masters for another, perhaps even more volatile ones? It makes you wonder: are we witnessing the slow burn of systemic change, or are we just watching a series of loud, performative outbursts that ultimately lead back to the status quo? Can a system truly be reformed from within, or is total destruction the only path to progress? I find myself increasingly skeptical of the easy answers. Real change is rarely clean, and it certainly isn't as cinematic as the movies make it out to be. kaže:
I wouldn't exactly call it that. Honestly, the whole thing feels incredibly muddled—it’s just a mess of confusion, and it’s nearly impossible to wrap your head around what everyone is actually thinking or planning. But at the end of the day, the real question we have to ask is this: why on earth is the police department being dragged into this mess, and why in such a bizarre fashion?🤷

The police have hauled the Krčmarek brothers in more times than I can count—it’s become a regular ritual whenever protests break out. Just before this latest incident, they actually picked him up right in front of Saint Mark's, even though he wasn't doing a single thing wrong. Is anyone actually surprised at this point?

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swiftdrifter14 swiftdrifter14 Member
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#69 ·
Nathan Bailey65 said:
Revolution. It’s a word that gets tossed around a lot these days, doesn't it? People throw it around like it's some sort of trendy buzzword, but they rarely stop to consider what it actually entails. Is it just a fancy way of saying "unrest," or does it truly imply a fundamental shift in the very fabric of our society? We see the rhetoric everywhere—on the news, in political speeches, scrolling through social media feeds. Everyone seems to have an opinion on how things should be overturned, yet few seem willing to face the messy, unpredictable reality of what happens once the dust settles. History teaches us that true revolution isn't just about tearing down old structures; it's about the terrifying vacuum that follows. What fills that space? Does a new order emerge from the chaos, or do we simply trade one set of masters for another, perhaps even more volatile ones? It makes you wonder: are we witnessing the slow burn of systemic change, or are we just watching a series of loud, performative outbursts that ultimately lead back to the status quo? Can a system truly be reformed from within, or is total destruction the only path to progress? I find myself increasingly skeptical of the easy answers. Real change is rarely clean, and it certainly isn't as cinematic as the movies make it out to be. kaže:
I wouldn't exactly call it that. Honestly, the whole thing feels incredibly muddled—it’s just a mess of confusion, and it’s nearly impossible to wrap your head around what everyone is actually thinking or planning. But at the end of the day, the real question we have to ask is this: why on earth is the police department being dragged into this mess, and why in such a bizarre fashion?🤷

The police have hauled the Krčmarek brothers in more times than I can count—it’s become a regular ritual whenever protests break out. Just before this latest incident, they actually picked him up right in front of Saint Mark's, even though he wasn't doing a single thing wrong. Is anyone actually surprised at this point?

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You should call those SWAT teams what they are; they attacked him during a peaceful and dignified protest in this "democratic" dumpster fire of a republic, the USA, without any legitimate provocation, and started manhandling him while he was carrying a Cross.

Of course, not a single hair on the heads of this trash heap within the Stalinist ministry will fall, let alone face an actual resignation; they simply drift through every regime and patient, when in reality, they deserved to be handed their walking papers and sent straight to the unemployment office, and God knows, a good number of TRAITORS have earned themselves a one-way ticket to prison.

When it comes to criminal, unauthorized wiretapping of anyone who dares to obstruct the Republican party and their "entrepreneurial" schemes to dismantle state assets, if someone stands in their way, there is always one and only one solution—total corruption.

Grbonjić seems somewhat calmed down now that it’s become public knowledge that he’s hooking up with that woman, so I suppose they both took forty-five days of medical leave just to go visit their little love nest...

If this weren't happening in the USA, you might think it was just some poorly written soap opera with a terrible budget, but unfortunately, it is all true, and it isn't a movie.

The political parties and their various careerists are honestly nauseating to watch on TV, and heaven forbid you see them live.

The Republican leader, Dr. Ivo Sanders, ended up in the gutter...

There is an incredible and rarely seen media blackout regarding everything that actually affects the common man and his life.

Jaca's English is getting better and better...

Hebrang isn't lying anymore, but then again, he isn't telling the truth any more than before...

Everything is idyllic; soon enough the Republican party will fall, followed by more arrests. At least the newspapers might sell a bit better, and some of them might even be given away for free.

I don't care much about the politicians, but it genuinely upsets and disturbs me to see a family and an American Defender being harassed by these overpaid criminals and thugs, the secret police of this pathetic republic...
Alexander Garcia5 Alexander Garcia5 Member
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#70 ·
Laura Mitchell87 said:Back when we fans tried to call out those thugs wearing an FBI uniform, you guys just laughed it off and acted like it wasn't a big deal. 🙄

The local police are a joke and they aren't doing their jobs properly. 👎

Show us the footage first. ☕
Morgan Cox28 Morgan Cox28 Newcomer
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#71 ·
Jacob Evans55 said:Something about this doesn't sit right with me.

First;

it’s anyone's guess who actually targeted the neighbor with the air rifle—was it kids or Krčmarek?
If they're claiming it was children, I’m calling BS. The video clearly shows
they're way too young for this kind of thing.

Second;

if Krčmarek is the one being accused of using the air rifle, a few logical holes pop up. Why would he even bother? And when would he have done it? He was out at the protest Saturday night, and the police didn't show up until Sunday. Unless this happened much earlier?

Third;

anyone who’s ever had to file a report knows how passive local law enforcement can be. They don't exactly break a sweat over minor disputes. Honestly, I find it hard to believe they’d swarm someone this aggressively just because a neighbor made a complaint. Cops deal with endless piles of neighbors tattling on each other every single day; if there isn't hard evidence or something major going on, they usually just brush it off to avoid dealing with petty neighborhood drama. 🙂

Fourth;

how does it work out that they raided Krčmarek's place exactly one day after the protest? And the fact that one of them wasn't even wearing a badge—is that just a coincidence too?!


When it comes to reporting weapon use (even if it's just an air rifle) under the guise of "public safety," they suddenly become lightning fast. Especially since Krcmarek is an American Defender, they already go in assuming he’s got weapons stashed at home. Then they move in and aggressively seize everything.
Jacob Evans55 Jacob Evans55 Newcomer
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#72 ·
It’s been quite a while since the arrest took place.
The police-led commission tasked with digging into the details hasn't said a single word.

But I’m certain of one thing: if there hadn't been a camera rolling, Krčmarek would have walked away with a serious beating. Then, the police would have released some polished statement claiming he resisted arrest and that they followed protocol perfectly. That's how they usually spin things after an "incident."
Nancy Bailey26 Nancy Bailey26 Member
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joined Oct 2011
#73 ·
The militia might be all talk and no action right now, but once someone finally loses their cool and a Democrat takes a bullet straight to the chest, everyone is going to be acting shocked ☕
Alex Doyle4 Alex Doyle4 Newcomer
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#74 ·
I’d say those cops need a bit of an internal review, but mostly because they were acting like pushovers, letting one hypocrite run circles around them. Look, if there's a report about someone being a danger to themselves or others, the rules are clear—officers don't just hang out in the yard. They go in, ID everyone, and check for weapons. These guys didn't follow protocol; they could've hauled both of them in without a second thought. Everyone wants to play peacekeeper until a robbery happens or some kid gets taken out by an air rifle—then suddenly everyone’s an expert. People love to trash the police, but from where I'm sitting, this whole thing looks staged because Krčmarek won't even step into a fight without a camera rolling. Honestly, the guy isn't worth the breath; he just lives for the media circus. He refuses to take off his hat and tries to spin every single protest to make himself look like the hero.

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