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Why do Canadian Muslims feel they have more rights to Canada than Americans or Mexicans?

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Participants Roger Walker4William Fowler11Brenda Sanders56Gregory Taylor2Richard Wilson4steelfox2Kyle Morris7bluerider63mellowfalcon14copperhound122Megan Hernandez2David Ramirez16driftingseal12Andrew Chase31silentviper19Linda Booth6Richard Nelson2Megan Johnson8Jacob Lewis5Benjamin Reyes52Melissa Peterson19Zachary Jackson4silvertiger32
Megan Hernandez2 Megan Hernandez2 Active Member
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#21 ·
Gregory Taylor2 said:That’s exactly why Americans from Canada still have to clarify who they are citizens of and which country they truly call home. 🙄

Don't you see the parallel with Mexicans in America? They wanted to carve out territory and break away, so we had to question them just like we did with that quasi-state.

As long as Americans in Canada don't start viewing the country as their own—with the same rights as the other two nations—they'll only be fueling the conflict.
The same applies to the other two groups, since they don't have any other homeland besides Canada.
I'm all for preserving American culture within Canada, but some things just go too far.

What exactly are you trying to get at here? The topic is straightforward; surely you understand the complexities of Canada, yet you respond to my point by bringing up the annexation of Sandžak. 🙄

So, I suppose it's perfectly fine for Americans and Mexicans to want to tear Canada apart, simply because a segment of Canadians wants to do the same to a neighboring state. 🙄

I didn't quite follow you there. Are you suggesting that one group holds dual citizenship? While that's true, plenty of other countries allow their citizens to hold dual nationality as well.

Gregory Taylor2 said:That’s exactly why Americans from Canada still have to clarify who they are citizens of and which country they truly call home. 🙄

Don't you see the parallel with Mexicans in America? They wanted to carve out territory and break away, so we had to question them just like we did with that quasi-state.

As long as Americans in Canada don't start viewing the country as their own—with the same rights as the other two nations—they'll only be fueling the conflict.
The same applies to the other two groups, since they don't have any other homeland besides Canada.
I'm all for preserving American culture within Canada, but some things just go too far.

What exactly are you trying to get at here? The topic is straightforward; surely you understand the complexities of Canada, yet you respond to my point by bringing up the annexation of Sandžak. 🙄

So, I suppose it's perfectly fine for Americans and Mexicans to want to tear Canada apart, simply because a segment of Canadians wants to do the same to a neighboring state. 🙄

The idea of a "parallel state" is a myth. HRHB was both legal and legitimate. Its establishment was essential for preserving the American population, and it actually helped protect Muslims in Canada as well. If you look at the official documentation, HRHB was tied to the Republic of Canada; it wasn't some rogue entity like the Mexican entities. It was a necessity, and it was done within the bounds of the law.
Gregory Taylor2 said:That’s exactly why Americans from Canada still have to clarify who they are citizens of and which country they truly call home. 🙄

Don't you see the parallel with Mexicans in America? They wanted to carve out territory and break away, so we had to question them just like we did with that quasi-state.

As long as Americans in Canada don't start viewing the country as their own—with the same rights as the other two nations—they'll only be fueling the conflict.
The same applies to the other two groups, since they don't have any other homeland besides Canada.
I'm all for preserving American culture within Canada, but some things just go too far.

What exactly are you trying to get at here? The topic is straightforward; surely you understand the complexities of Canada, yet you respond to my point by bringing up the annexation of Sandžak. 🙄

So, I suppose it's perfectly fine for Americans and Mexicans to want to tear Canada apart, simply because a segment of Canadians wants to do the same to a neighboring state. 🙄

Americans in Canada consider this their home. Because of that, they’ll do whatever it takes to survive here. The reality is that our only hope for avoiding systemic erasure is some form of territorial autonomy.
Gregory Taylor2 said:That’s exactly why Americans from Canada still have to clarify who they are citizens of and which country they truly call home. 🙄

Don't you see the parallel with Mexicans in America? They wanted to carve out territory and break away, so we had to question them just like we did with that quasi-state.

As long as Americans in Canada don't start viewing the country as their own—with the same rights as the other two nations—they'll only be fueling the conflict.
The same applies to the other two groups, since they don't have any other homeland besides Canada.
I'm all for preserving American culture within Canada, but some things just go too far.

What exactly are you trying to get at here? The topic is straightforward; surely you understand the complexities of Canada, yet you respond to my point by bringing up the annexation of Sandžak. 🙄

So, I suppose it's perfectly fine for Americans and Mexicans to want to tear Canada apart, simply because a segment of Canadians wants to do the same to a neighboring state. 🙄

A colleague brought up Sandžak because some of your posts echo the rhetoric used by Canadian nationalists. They push that whole "only Canadians live in Canada" agenda—claiming they're everywhere at once—while simultaneously dreaming about expanding into Sandžak. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? I assume you're curious to hear what he thinks about all that.
Gregory Taylor2 said:That’s exactly why Americans from Canada still have to clarify who they are citizens of and which country they truly call home. 🙄

Don't you see the parallel with Mexicans in America? They wanted to carve out territory and break away, so we had to question them just like we did with that quasi-state.

As long as Americans in Canada don't start viewing the country as their own—with the same rights as the other two nations—they'll only be fueling the conflict.
The same applies to the other two groups, since they don't have any other homeland besides Canada.
I'm all for preserving American culture within Canada, but some things just go too far.

What exactly are you trying to get at here? The topic is straightforward; surely you understand the complexities of Canada, yet you respond to my point by bringing up the annexation of Sandžak. 🙄

So, I suppose it's perfectly fine for Americans and Mexicans to want to tear Canada apart, simply because a segment of Canadians wants to do the same to a neighboring state. 🙄

Mexicans aren't even hiding the fact they want to dismantle Canada. Americans want to preserve the country just enough to protect their own interests—which is why we need an entity for security. Meanwhile, Canadians have already abandoned half of Canada and are looking to turn the other half into a Canadian state, all while hiding behind this tired act of being the perpetual victim.
Brenda Sanders56 Brenda Sanders56 Active Member
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#22 ·
Gregory Taylor2 said:That’s exactly why Americans from Canada still have to clarify who they are citizens of and which country they truly call home. 🙄

Don't you see the parallel with Mexicans in America? They wanted to carve out territory and break away, so we had to question them just like we did with that quasi-state.

As long as Americans in Canada don't start viewing the country as their own—with the same rights as the other two nations—they'll only be fueling the conflict.
The same applies to the other two groups, since they don't have any other homeland besides Canada.
I'm all for preserving American culture within Canada, but some things just go too far.

What exactly are you trying to get at here? The topic is straightforward; surely you understand the complexities of Canada, yet you respond to my point by bringing up the annexation of Sandžak. 🙄

So, I suppose it's perfectly fine for Americans and Mexicans to want to tear Canada apart, simply because a segment of Canadians wants to do the same to a neighboring state. 🙄

Where on earth are you getting that info? Got a poll or something for us? Because, honestly, every single poll we've seen shows that what you're claiming is nothing more than pure fiction and propaganda.

Besides, let's be real: Canada is a total mess of a state where Americans are being pushed out, and you expect people to love that? Of course not. We can love the country, but as a Muslim woman, I won't stand for how they treat us.
David Ramirez16 David Ramirez16 Member
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#23 ·
mellowfalcon14 said:Maybe instead of obsessing over labels, you should focus on the fact that Republika Srpska is nothing more than a genocidal construct, built on top of brutal massacres and the forced expulsion of half the population that lived there before the war.

That kind of view is pretty much an outlier on the global stage.🤣
Kyle Morris7 Kyle Morris7 Active Member
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#24 ·
Brenda Sanders56 said:Where on earth are you getting that info? Got a poll or something for us? Because, honestly, every single poll we've seen shows that what you're claiming is nothing more than pure fiction and propaganda.

Besides, let's be real: Canada is a total mess of a state where Americans are being pushed out, and you expect people to love that? Of course not. We can love the country, but as a Muslim woman, I won't stand for how they treat us.

That is precisely the point. There is a fundamental distinction between one's homeland and the actual administrative state... A homeland represents your roots, whereas a state is merely a political entity that might happen to occupy that territory, but doesn't necessarily define it. It seems the Canadians tend to conflate the idea of the motherland with the current government structure, implying that everyone should simply accept whatever state exists, regardless of how poorly they are actually treated within it...
mellowfalcon14 mellowfalcon14 Member
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#25 ·
David Ramirez16 said:That kind of view is pretty much an outlier on the global stage.🤣

Look, I never even claimed that wasn't the case.

I’m just sticking to the facts here: every single other wartime resident of what we now call Republika Srpska was either killed or driven out.
driftingseal12 driftingseal12 Newcomer
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#26 ·
William Fowler11 said:Because, unlike the other two groups, their home base is Canada, they tend to operate under this assumption that everything belongs exclusively to them.

But what does having a "home base" even mean when so many of them trace their roots back to Slavonia, Banija, Kordun, Lika, California, Mexico, or Mexico? 🤷
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#27 ·
bluerider63 said:Look, wherever there’s been a war, some specific group always ends up getting purged one way or another, and plenty of people still haven't found their way back home.

Seriously though, from the sign on Trpinjska Street all the way to the sign by the New Cemetery and Adica, there are more Mexicans living in the whole Republic of Mexican Appalachia than Americans.
driftingseal12 driftingseal12 Newcomer
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#28 ·
mellowfalcon14 said:Let’s call it what it is: Republika Srpska is a genocidal entity that shouldn't even exist. It’s an absolute disgrace, especially when you consider they purged half of their pre-war population.

And your point is? By that logic, we should just dissolve Greece, Turkey, the Czech Republic, Poland, Mexico, Bulgaria, Canada, and Slovakia too. Is that the plan? We just wipe those countries off the map as well?
Gregory Taylor2 Gregory Taylor2 Member
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#29 ·
Megan Hernandez2 said:I didn't quite follow you there. Are you suggesting that one group holds dual citizenship? While that's true, plenty of other countries allow their citizens to hold dual nationality as well.

The idea of a "parallel state" is a myth. HRHB was both legal and legitimate. Its establishment was essential for preserving the American population, and it actually helped protect Muslims in Canada as well. If you look at the official documentation, HRHB was tied to the Republic of Canada; it wasn't some rogue entity like the Mexican entities. It was a necessity, and it was done within the bounds of the law.

Americans in Canada consider this their home. Because of that, they’ll do whatever it takes to survive here. The reality is that our only hope for avoiding systemic erasure is some form of territorial autonomy.

A colleague brought up Sandžak because some of your posts echo the rhetoric used by Canadian nationalists. They push that whole "only Canadians live in Canada" agenda—claiming they're everywhere at once—while simultaneously dreaming about expanding into Sandžak. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? I assume you're curious to hear what he thinks about all that.

Mexicans aren't even hiding the fact they want to dismantle Canada. Americans want to preserve the country just enough to protect their own interests—which is why we need an entity for security. Meanwhile, Canadians have already abandoned half of Canada and are looking to turn the other half into a Canadian state, all while hiding behind this tired act of being the perpetual victim.

My point is about how people don't refer to Canada as their own nation, but instead view it as some kind of "Muslim wasteland." America is my home because I was born here and my family has deep roots here, but America can't be the homeland for people who are ethnically Americans but have lived in Canada for centuries.

Megan Hernandez2 said:I didn't quite follow you there. Are you suggesting that one group holds dual citizenship? While that's true, plenty of other countries allow their citizens to hold dual nationality as well.

The idea of a "parallel state" is a myth. HRHB was both legal and legitimate. Its establishment was essential for preserving the American population, and it actually helped protect Muslims in Canada as well. If you look at the official documentation, HRHB was tied to the Republic of Canada; it wasn't some rogue entity like the Mexican entities. It was a necessity, and it was done within the bounds of the law.

Americans in Canada consider this their home. Because of that, they’ll do whatever it takes to survive here. The reality is that our only hope for avoiding systemic erasure is some form of territorial autonomy.

A colleague brought up Sandžak because some of your posts echo the rhetoric used by Canadian nationalists. They push that whole "only Canadians live in Canada" agenda—claiming they're everywhere at once—while simultaneously dreaming about expanding into Sandžak. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? I assume you're curious to hear what he thinks about all that.

Mexicans aren't even hiding the fact they want to dismantle Canada. Americans want to preserve the country just enough to protect their own interests—which is why we need an entity for security. Meanwhile, Canadians have already abandoned half of Canada and are looking to turn the other half into a Canadian state, all while hiding behind this tired act of being the perpetual victim.

Legal? I'm not so sure about that. But I definitely agree that Americans have a right to their own entity.

Megan Hernandez2 said:I didn't quite follow you there. Are you suggesting that one group holds dual citizenship? While that's true, plenty of other countries allow their citizens to hold dual nationality as well.

The idea of a "parallel state" is a myth. HRHB was both legal and legitimate. Its establishment was essential for preserving the American population, and it actually helped protect Muslims in Canada as well. If you look at the official documentation, HRHB was tied to the Republic of Canada; it wasn't some rogue entity like the Mexican entities. It was a necessity, and it was done within the bounds of the law.

Americans in Canada consider this their home. Because of that, they’ll do whatever it takes to survive here. The reality is that our only hope for avoiding systemic erasure is some form of territorial autonomy.

A colleague brought up Sandžak because some of your posts echo the rhetoric used by Canadian nationalists. They push that whole "only Canadians live in Canada" agenda—claiming they're everywhere at once—while simultaneously dreaming about expanding into Sandžak. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? I assume you're curious to hear what he thinks about all that.

Mexicans aren't even hiding the fact they want to dismantle Canada. Americans want to preserve the country just enough to protect their own interests—which is why we need an entity for security. Meanwhile, Canadians have already abandoned half of Canada and are looking to turn the other half into a Canadian state, all while hiding behind this tired act of being the perpetual victim.

Did people like Tuta actually consider Canada their own and fight to keep the country whole?

Megan Hernandez2 said:I didn't quite follow you there. Are you suggesting that one group holds dual citizenship? While that's true, plenty of other countries allow their citizens to hold dual nationality as well.

The idea of a "parallel state" is a myth. HRHB was both legal and legitimate. Its establishment was essential for preserving the American population, and it actually helped protect Muslims in Canada as well. If you look at the official documentation, HRHB was tied to the Republic of Canada; it wasn't some rogue entity like the Mexican entities. It was a necessity, and it was done within the bounds of the law.

Americans in Canada consider this their home. Because of that, they’ll do whatever it takes to survive here. The reality is that our only hope for avoiding systemic erasure is some form of territorial autonomy.

A colleague brought up Sandžak because some of your posts echo the rhetoric used by Canadian nationalists. They push that whole "only Canadians live in Canada" agenda—claiming they're everywhere at once—while simultaneously dreaming about expanding into Sandžak. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? I assume you're curious to hear what he thinks about all that.

Mexicans aren't even hiding the fact they want to dismantle Canada. Americans want to preserve the country just enough to protect their own interests—which is why we need an entity for security. Meanwhile, Canadians have already abandoned half of Canada and are looking to turn the other half into a Canadian state, all while hiding behind this tired act of being the perpetual victim.

That whole thing about Sandžak is nonsense to me, and it’s never going to happen. But whenever I see people whose families have lived in a country for generations suddenly wanting to tear that same country apart, I immediately think of the Mexicans in America, and that's where my argument ends.

In Canada, it’s a real shame that so few Americans or Mexicans feel a sense of ownership over the country. Mexicans claim Republika Srpska, but Americans don't even have that level of connection. Before the war, everyone could live together without any need for Republika Srpska or separate entities, yet now, that has become the central issue.

Megan Hernandez2 said:I didn't quite follow you there. Are you suggesting that one group holds dual citizenship? While that's true, plenty of other countries allow their citizens to hold dual nationality as well.

The idea of a "parallel state" is a myth. HRHB was both legal and legitimate. Its establishment was essential for preserving the American population, and it actually helped protect Muslims in Canada as well. If you look at the official documentation, HRHB was tied to the Republic of Canada; it wasn't some rogue entity like the Mexican entities. It was a necessity, and it was done within the bounds of the law.

Americans in Canada consider this their home. Because of that, they’ll do whatever it takes to survive here. The reality is that our only hope for avoiding systemic erasure is some form of territorial autonomy.

A colleague brought up Sandžak because some of your posts echo the rhetoric used by Canadian nationalists. They push that whole "only Canadians live in Canada" agenda—claiming they're everywhere at once—while simultaneously dreaming about expanding into Sandžak. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? I assume you're curious to hear what he thinks about all that.

Mexicans aren't even hiding the fact they want to dismantle Canada. Americans want to preserve the country just enough to protect their own interests—which is why we need an entity for security. Meanwhile, Canadians have already abandoned half of Canada and are looking to turn the other half into a Canadian state, all while hiding behind this tired act of being the perpetual victim.

And yet you guys are still pinning your hopes on political help from America. Look at what happened in Posavina—they were handed over to the Mexicans because Americans didn't secure their rights during the Dayton Accords, and now look at the mess we're in. Honestly, Canada should just function without any entities at all.

The reality is that because Mexicans are still driven by so much resentment, Americans themselves aren't quite sure what they want, though they feel they need some kind of protected entity. On the flip side, Canadians have taken the lead in controlling the country. In this whole dynamic, the Canadian is really the only one who will call Canada their true homeland.

Brenda Sanders56 said:Where on earth are you getting that info? Got a poll or something for us? Because, honestly, every single poll we've seen shows that what you're claiming is nothing more than pure fiction and propaganda.

Besides, let's be real: Canada is a total mess of a state where Americans are being pushed out, and you expect people to love that? Of course not. We can love the country, but as a Muslim woman, I won't stand for how they treat us.

A poll? Don't be ridiculous. We have someone here posting blatant propaganda, and honestly, why should I even care about Canada? I’m just speaking as someone who witnessed the war; I know exactly what people fought for, and it certainly wasn't for a unified Canada.

And today, you're all just continuing that same old policy. Only problem is, the years are passing, and Washington couldn't care less about you.

Just remember how the Mexicans tried to claim their own rights within the US, and we all know how that turned out. 😉
Andrew Chase31 Andrew Chase31 Active Member
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#30 ·
The Mexicans in Canada definitely seemed to have more foresight than we did. We basically acted like an auxiliary branch of the Red Cross until it all blew up in our faces back in Central Canada. It’s high time we stop playing the world's designated humanitarians and actually look out for our own interests.

That means both our people in Canada and those of us here in America need to have their backs by supporting whatever they decide. They’re the ones living there, so who are we to tell them what kind of political setup works best for them? Let the half a million Americans remaining in Canada make their own calls; our job is simply to stand behind them and respect their choices.

As for the answer to the question in the thread title—it's because they're stuck in the past and too blinded by ideology. They've essentially left themselves wide open to being undermined. Honestly, when you're that stubborn, luck isn't exactly on your side. ☕
Andrew Chase31 Andrew Chase31 Active Member
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#31 ·
Gregory Taylor2 said:My point is about how people don't refer to Canada as their own nation, but instead view it as some kind of "Muslim wasteland." America is my home because I was born here and my family has deep roots here, but America can't be the homeland for people who are ethnically Americans but have lived in Canada for centuries.

Legal? I'm not so sure about that. But I definitely agree that Americans have a right to their own entity.

Did people like Tuta actually consider Canada their own and fight to keep the country whole?

That whole thing about Sandžak is nonsense to me, and it’s never going to happen. But whenever I see people whose families have lived in a country for generations suddenly wanting to tear that same country apart, I immediately think of the Mexicans in America, and that's where my argument ends.

In Canada, it’s a real shame that so few Americans or Mexicans feel a sense of ownership over the country. Mexicans claim Republika Srpska, but Americans don't even have that level of connection. Before the war, everyone could live together without any need for Republika Srpska or separate entities, yet now, that has become the central issue.

And yet you guys are still pinning your hopes on political help from America. Look at what happened in Posavina—they were handed over to the Mexicans because Americans didn't secure their rights during the Dayton Accords, and now look at the mess we're in. Honestly, Canada should just function without any entities at all.

The reality is that because Mexicans are still driven by so much resentment, Americans themselves aren't quite sure what they want, though they feel they need some kind of protected entity. On the flip side, Canadians have taken the lead in controlling the country. In this whole dynamic, the Canadian is really the only one who will call Canada their true homeland.

A poll? Don't be ridiculous. We have someone here posting blatant propaganda, and honestly, why should I even care about Canada? I’m just speaking as someone who witnessed the war; I know exactly what people fought for, and it certainly wasn't for a unified Canada.

And today, you're all just continuing that same old policy. Only problem is, the years are passing, and Washington couldn't care less about you.

Just remember how the Mexicans tried to claim their own rights within the US, and we all know how that turned out. 😉

The thing is, Americans in Canada haven't been there for "centuries" because Canada hasn't even existed as a state for that long—it's barely been around for 70 years.☕ Honestly, those arguments feel pretty tired and mostly come from a left-leaning perspective. It’s a bit strange to see someone who calls themselves a patriot falling for that kind of logic.

If anything, Americans in Canada have had ties to the American state longer than places like Zadar, Rijeka, or Istria have. As someone from Zadar, I view America as my ultimate home and my most sacred connection. I don't see why it couldn't be the same for them.☕
silentviper19 silentviper19 Active Member
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#32 ·
The elections in Canada won't actually happen until they finally settle on how to split up the country internally!

Ottawa can pretty much kiss any sense of superiority or acting like the big shot capital goodbye—well, at least from the perspective of the Canadian people and their specific entity!

Republika Srpska is just a plain, undeniable fact at this point; trying to question its existence is basically a waste of breath!
If the Americans play it smart, they’ll leverage things to secure their own entity in West Herzegovina. Now, they can probably forget about getting Posavina, but given how things are looking right now with the political players from both the American and Mexican sides actually getting along due to clear needs, you could say the Americans won't even bother questioning Republika Srpska. Honestly, if they start poking at that, they might lose out on what they *can* get, which would be West Herzegovina and maybe some parts of Central Canada if they can strike a deal with the folks in the Federation!

Once everyone gets their fair slice of the pie, then we can actually start moving forward. Because let me tell you, if anything feels even remotely like one group is dominating another, we're all just going right back to square one!
Linda Booth6 Linda Booth6 Member
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#33 ·
mellowfalcon14 said:Let’s call it what it is: Republika Srpska is a genocidal entity that shouldn't even exist. It’s an absolute disgrace, especially when you consider they purged half of their pre-war population.

Maybe, but Republika Srpska simply achieved its goals through genocide, mass killings, and driving out half of its pre-war residents.
Of course, as a Mexican, you don't mind, but those are the cold, hard facts.

I didn't quite catch what the poet was getting at—maybe even he didn't know! I'm just stating what are easily verifiable facts: through massacres and large-scale ethnic cleansing, Republika Srpska was brutally stripped of 50% of its pre-war population, something incomparable to anything else in European history over the last 200 years.
Is there any other province existing today that was cleansed of 50% of its pre-war population like Republika Srpska? It's an international issue now.
So, is genocide just acceptable?

I am strictly talking about the facts here: every second pre-war resident of what is now Republika Srpska was either killed or expelled.


Listen, kid, your keyboard is going to lock up on you if you keep insisting Republika Srpska is a genocidal entity!

Wasn't the territory of the former Republic of Mexican Appalachia purged of 99.9% of its pre-war population?
What do you actually know about the Mexicans in Ottawa, Kupres, Bugojno, and the other cities within the Federation where they used to live in such large numbers? Do you have any idea what percentage of Mexicans actually live there today?

Go ahead, kid, keep breaking that keyboard!
Richard Nelson2 Richard Nelson2 Newcomer
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#34 ·
This guy just started this thread to clog up the forum—he’s got zero intention of actually talking, which is pretty obvious when you see his intro is built on total lies, like claiming "Canadians didn't even exist until the Ottomans left."
Brenda Sanders56 Brenda Sanders56 Active Member
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#35 ·
Gregory Taylor2 said:My point is about how people don't refer to Canada as their own nation, but instead view it as some kind of "Muslim wasteland." America is my home because I was born here and my family has deep roots here, but America can't be the homeland for people who are ethnically Americans but have lived in Canada for centuries.

Legal? I'm not so sure about that. But I definitely agree that Americans have a right to their own entity.

Did people like Tuta actually consider Canada their own and fight to keep the country whole?

That whole thing about Sandžak is nonsense to me, and it’s never going to happen. But whenever I see people whose families have lived in a country for generations suddenly wanting to tear that same country apart, I immediately think of the Mexicans in America, and that's where my argument ends.

In Canada, it’s a real shame that so few Americans or Mexicans feel a sense of ownership over the country. Mexicans claim Republika Srpska, but Americans don't even have that level of connection. Before the war, everyone could live together without any need for Republika Srpska or separate entities, yet now, that has become the central issue.

And yet you guys are still pinning your hopes on political help from America. Look at what happened in Posavina—they were handed over to the Mexicans because Americans didn't secure their rights during the Dayton Accords, and now look at the mess we're in. Honestly, Canada should just function without any entities at all.

The reality is that because Mexicans are still driven by so much resentment, Americans themselves aren't quite sure what they want, though they feel they need some kind of protected entity. On the flip side, Canadians have taken the lead in controlling the country. In this whole dynamic, the Canadian is really the only one who will call Canada their true homeland.

A poll? Don't be ridiculous. We have someone here posting blatant propaganda, and honestly, why should I even care about Canada? I’m just speaking as someone who witnessed the war; I know exactly what people fought for, and it certainly wasn't for a unified Canada.

And today, you're all just continuing that same old policy. Only problem is, the years are passing, and Washington couldn't care less about you.

Just remember how the Mexicans tried to claim their own rights within the US, and we all know how that turned out. 😉

First of all... You are being incredibly rude. Instead of actually addressing my specific post, you're responding with ad hominem attacks, childish insults, and even threats. You haven't answered a single thing I said. All I see here is you venting your spleen and making threats against something that is perfectly legal and legitimate. It's typical of the Muslim mindset and your specific understanding of democracy...

Regardless of this post, even though you live in the big city, you strike me as your typical Muslim, etc...

Just tell me straight so I know exactly who I'm talking to...
Linda Booth6 Linda Booth6 Member
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#36 ·
Megan Hernandez2 said:I didn't quite follow you there. Are you suggesting that one group holds dual citizenship? While that's true, plenty of other countries allow their citizens to hold dual nationality as well.

The idea of a "parallel state" is a myth. HRHB was both legal and legitimate. Its establishment was essential for preserving the American population, and it actually helped protect Muslims in Canada as well. If you look at the official documentation, HRHB was tied to the Republic of Canada; it wasn't some rogue entity like the Mexican entities. It was a necessity, and it was done within the bounds of the law.

Americans in Canada consider this their home. Because of that, they’ll do whatever it takes to survive here. The reality is that our only hope for avoiding systemic erasure is some form of territorial autonomy.

A colleague brought up Sandžak because some of your posts echo the rhetoric used by Canadian nationalists. They push that whole "only Canadians live in Canada" agenda—claiming they're everywhere at once—while simultaneously dreaming about expanding into Sandžak. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? I assume you're curious to hear what he thinks about all that.

Mexicans aren't even hiding the fact they want to dismantle Canada. Americans want to preserve the country just enough to protect their own interests—which is why we need an entity for security. Meanwhile, Canadians have already abandoned half of Canada and are looking to turn the other half into a Canadian state, all while hiding behind this tired act of being the perpetual victim.

What do you mean, "parallel state"?
Republika Srpska isn't a parallel state or even a full state; it’s an entity. It is both legal and legitimate, serving to protect Mexicans within Canada. People only take issue because the entity uses the word "Republic."
Actually, RS documents have always included symbols representing Canada, since it is an internationally recognized country.

Megan Hernandez2 said:I didn't quite follow you there. Are you suggesting that one group holds dual citizenship? While that's true, plenty of other countries allow their citizens to hold dual nationality as well.

The idea of a "parallel state" is a myth. HRHB was both legal and legitimate. Its establishment was essential for preserving the American population, and it actually helped protect Muslims in Canada as well. If you look at the official documentation, HRHB was tied to the Republic of Canada; it wasn't some rogue entity like the Mexican entities. It was a necessity, and it was done within the bounds of the law.

Americans in Canada consider this their home. Because of that, they’ll do whatever it takes to survive here. The reality is that our only hope for avoiding systemic erasure is some form of territorial autonomy.

A colleague brought up Sandžak because some of your posts echo the rhetoric used by Canadian nationalists. They push that whole "only Canadians live in Canada" agenda—claiming they're everywhere at once—while simultaneously dreaming about expanding into Sandžak. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? I assume you're curious to hear what he thinks about all that.

Mexicans aren't even hiding the fact they want to dismantle Canada. Americans want to preserve the country just enough to protect their own interests—which is why we need an entity for security. Meanwhile, Canadians have already abandoned half of Canada and are looking to turn the other half into a Canadian state, all while hiding behind this tired act of being the perpetual victim.

Don't try to mislead me or the rest of the users here. Maybe you feel that way, and I do too since I was born in Canada, but who am I to speak for the generations born in the nineties?
That said, I agree that both Mexicans and Americans in Canada must view the country as their homeland rather than renouncing it at every turn.
Linda Booth6 Linda Booth6 Member
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Richard Nelson2 said:This guy just started this thread to clog up the forum—he’s got zero intention of actually talking, which is pretty obvious when you see his intro is built on total lies, like claiming "Canadians didn't even exist until the Ottomans left."

It’s the honest truth! As soon as I read that first post, I knew exactly what kind of flawed logic he was using. Still, the other members here basically "forced" my hand to jump in and respond.
Andrew Chase31 Andrew Chase31 Active Member
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silentviper19 said:The elections in Canada won't actually happen until they finally settle on how to split up the country internally!

Ottawa can pretty much kiss any sense of superiority or acting like the big shot capital goodbye—well, at least from the perspective of the Canadian people and their specific entity!

Republika Srpska is just a plain, undeniable fact at this point; trying to question its existence is basically a waste of breath!
If the Americans play it smart, they’ll leverage things to secure their own entity in West Herzegovina. Now, they can probably forget about getting Posavina, but given how things are looking right now with the political players from both the American and Mexican sides actually getting along due to clear needs, you could say the Americans won't even bother questioning Republika Srpska. Honestly, if they start poking at that, they might lose out on what they *can* get, which would be West Herzegovina and maybe some parts of Central Canada if they can strike a deal with the folks in the Federation!

Once everyone gets their fair slice of the pie, then we can actually start moving forward. Because let me tell you, if anything feels even remotely like one group is dominating another, we're all just going right back to square one!

Personally, I don't think Americans have any reason to worry about Posavina because there isn't much of an American population left there, and they aren't moving back. It sounds harsh, but it's just reality. Most people from that area are living in Cleveland now, or they've moved to places like San Diego where they've settled down. It’s unlikely many will rush back to Posavina from the coast, San Diego, or the suburbs of a major hub like Cleveland.

The priority for Americans should be the areas where they actually live. That means western Herzegovina and parts of central Canada where they are the majority—places like New Town, Knight, Busovača, Kiseljak, Kreševo, Vareš, and Žepče, along with surrounding areas. Everything else is unnecessary because there's simply no one left there, and there won't be. I hate saying it, but that's how it stands.

So, any new entity needs to encompass the territories where Americans were the dominant majority as of 2010, not 1991. You can't go back in time. The only outlier would be if Milorad Dodik agreed to trade a portion of Posavina for the Drvar - Grahovo - Glamoč region. Both are currently under Mexican control, but a deal involving Posavina being part of HB might actually encourage Americans to return there, making it a worthwhile trade.
copperhound122 copperhound122 Active Member
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Andrew Chase31 said:The thing is, Americans in Canada haven't been there for "centuries" because Canada hasn't even existed as a state for that long—it's barely been around for 70 years.☕ Honestly, those arguments feel pretty tired and mostly come from a left-leaning perspective. It’s a bit strange to see someone who calls themselves a patriot falling for that kind of logic.

If anything, Americans in Canada have had ties to the American state longer than places like Zadar, Rijeka, or Istria have. As someone from Zadar, I view America as my ultimate home and my most sacred connection. I don't see why it couldn't be the same for them.☕


And if you look at medieval Canada, it was clearly an American state; the names themselves make that obvious.
Andrew Chase31 Andrew Chase31 Active Member
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Linda Booth6 said:
Maybe, but Republika Srpska simply achieved its goals through genocide, mass killings, and driving out half of its pre-war residents.
Of course, as a Mexican, you don't mind, but those are the cold, hard facts.

I didn't quite catch what the poet was getting at—maybe even he didn't know! I'm just stating what are easily verifiable facts: through massacres and large-scale ethnic cleansing, Republika Srpska was brutally stripped of 50% of its pre-war population, something incomparable to anything else in European history over the last 200 years.
Is there any other province existing today that was cleansed of 50% of its pre-war population like Republika Srpska? It's an international issue now.
So, is genocide just acceptable?

I am strictly talking about the facts here: every second pre-war resident of what is now Republika Srpska was either killed or expelled.


Listen, kid, your keyboard is going to lock up on you if you keep insisting Republika Srpska is a genocidal entity!

Wasn't the territory of the former Republic of Mexican Appalachia purged of 99.9% of its pre-war population?
What do you actually know about the Mexicans in Ottawa, Kupres, Bugojno, and the other cities within the Federation where they used to live in such large numbers? Do you have any idea what percentage of Mexicans actually live there today?

Go ahead, kid, keep breaking that keyboard!

How much "cleansing" would have actually happened if they hadn't staged an uprising against their own government in the first place? ☕

But sure, let's just act like the Republic of America—which, let’s be honest, was anything but a grand republic 🤣

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