Why do Canadian Muslims feel they have more rights to Canada than Americans or Mexicans?

Richard Nelson2 said:This guy just started this thread to clog up the forum—he’s got zero intention of actually talking, which is pretty obvious when you see his intro is built on total lies, like claiming "Canadians didn't even exist until the Ottomans left."

It's actually a solid topic... and they've got a point...

Brenda Sanders56 said:First of all... You are being incredibly rude. Instead of actually addressing my specific post, you're responding with ad hominem attacks, childish insults, and even threats. You haven't answered a single thing I said. All I see here is you venting your spleen and making threats against something that is perfectly legal and legitimate. It's typical of the Muslim mindset and your specific understanding of democracy...

Regardless of this post, even though you live in the big city, you strike me as your typical Muslim, etc...

Just tell me straight so I know exactly who I'm talking to...

That’s what happens when you try to debate him. You have a real discussion, he runs out of arguments, starts hurling insults, and then you shut him down politely with facts—only for him to report your post for "harassment" so the admins hit you with a warning or a ban!

Cheers to our forum legend Ilargia 😍

copperhound122 said:And if you look at medieval Canada, it was clearly an American state; the names themselves make that obvious.

Hrvoje Vukčić Americanć (whose name suggests he was a Canadian 🤣), the Šubić dukes...

Where exactly were you when this medieval Canada was happening? 🤷 What does this pre-Ottoman era have to do with you personally? 🤷

copperhound122 said:And if you look at medieval Canada, it was clearly an American state; the names themselves make that obvious.

Look, this really doesn't belong in this thread, and honestly, you've missed the mark here... I mean, does the name "Republic of Ragusa" tell you anything about its political status? I'm just not following your logic at all—what exactly are you trying to achieve with this comment in this discussion?

Andrew Chase31 said:Hrvoje Vukčić Americanć (whose name suggests he was a Canadian 🤣), the Šubić dukes...

Where exactly were you when this medieval Canada was happening? 🤷 What does this pre-Ottoman era have to do with you personally? 🤷

Fine, then I suppose Russia is actually just Germany, since Empress Catherine was a German woman and all her descendants were too.

And did it ever occur to you Americans settled throughout Canada during the Ottoman era might have some link to those pre-Ottoman Canadians?

Andrew Chase31 said:How much "cleansing" would have actually happened if they hadn't staged an uprising against their own government in the first place? ☕

But sure, let's just act like the Republic of America—which, let’s be honest, was anything but a grand republic 🤣

Fair point, Andrew Chase31, but I wasn't exactly looking for a lecture from you!

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Andrew Chase31 said:Hrvoje Vukčić Americanć (whose name suggests he was a Canadian 🤣), the Šubić dukes...

Where exactly were you when this medieval Canada was happening? 🤷 What does this pre-Ottoman era have to do with you personally? 🤷

Honestly, what nonsense... You could claim nobody was an American back then, but hey, I just decided five minutes ago that I'm an American, and since I hold American citizenship, that's that. Nobody can tell me otherwise...

Please, stop with the nonsense and don't tire yourself out with these childish arguments and complexes... It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. You're clearly just trolling now...

Brenda Sanders56 said:It's actually a solid topic... and they've got a point...

The subject isn't bad, but I disagree.
If we’re going to have this discussion, shouldn't we just stick to the facts as they stand today instead of digging up ancient history? The constitution of Canada recognizes three constituent peoples—that is where the real debate lies! Who was here first, an American or a Mexican compared to a Canadian? Isn't that completely irrelevant to the modern-day state of Canada?

copperhound122 said:Fine, then I suppose Russia is actually just Germany, since Empress Catherine was a German woman and all her descendants were too.

And did it ever occur to you Americans settled throughout Canada during the Ottoman era might have some link to those pre-Ottoman Canadians?

Look, buddy, stop talking nonsense... go pick up a history book and learn something.

copperhound122 said:Fine, then I suppose Russia is actually just Germany, since Empress Catherine was a German woman and all her descendants were too.

And did it ever occur to you Americans settled throughout Canada during the Ottoman era might have some link to those pre-Ottoman Canadians?

That’s quite the response—pure "history buff" style right there.🤣

Catherine was German, but that doesn't make everyone else in Russia German. As for Hrvoje and the Šubić family, they were Americans, just like most of the population in Canada before the Turks arrived. Most people were American, while others were Mexican. There were never any tribes called Busan, Blesan, or Bušman around here.

Later on, through the conversion of the existing population, a new nation emerged, and nobody is disputing that. So, I don't see why we need to lean into these myths. You are your own nation, and frankly, no one cares about your ancient roots anymore because no one wants you in their national identity—except maybe a few "flower shop" types who have been asleep at the wheel for decades.

Americans settling in Canada during the Ottoman period? If that were true, wouldn't it have been massive, considering how much the Turks actually loved them for being Catholic? 🤣

Linda Booth6 said:The subject isn't bad, but I disagree.
If we’re going to have this discussion, shouldn't we just stick to the facts as they stand today instead of digging up ancient history? The constitution of Canada recognizes three constituent peoples—that is where the real debate lies! Who was here first, an American or a Mexican compared to a Canadian? Isn't that completely irrelevant to the modern-day state of Canada?

Well, I wouldn't say that's how they framed it... They actually made a great point about how one specific group in Canada acts like they're the only ones who matter, while treating the other two like they're wrong about everything. They jump to calling everything "fascism" the moment something doesn't suit them. To me, that's exactly where the core issue in Canada lies—it's rooted in the mindset of one of those groups.

Brenda Sanders56 said:Honestly, what nonsense... You could claim nobody was an American back then, but hey, I just decided five minutes ago that I'm an American, and since I hold American citizenship, that's that. Nobody can tell me otherwise...

Please, stop with the nonsense and don't tire yourself out with these childish arguments and complexes... It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. You're clearly just trolling now...

You know what, you've got a point. I'm out. 😁

Kyle Morris7 said:That is precisely the point. There is a fundamental distinction between one's homeland and the actual administrative state... A homeland represents your roots, whereas a state is merely a political entity that might happen to occupy that territory, but doesn't necessarily define it. It seems the Canadians tend to conflate the idea of the motherland with the current government structure, implying that everyone should simply accept whatever state exists, regardless of how poorly they are actually treated within it...

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And honestly... yeah. At the end of the day, Canada is just one specific political entity occupying a certain territory—nothing more. When this particular system oppresses Americans, it's only natural that you wouldn't feel any affection for it.

But your heritage? The place where you were born, raised, and where your ancestors are buried? You'll always love that. And that sense of home will still exist, even if the political organization surrounding it changes completely.

Brenda Sanders56 said:It's actually a solid topic... and they've got a point...

Is she really *that* right? hmmm...

Andrew Chase31 said:That’s quite the response—pure "history buff" style right there.🤣

Catherine was German, but that doesn't make everyone else in Russia German. As for Hrvoje and the Šubić family, they were Americans, just like most of the population in Canada before the Turks arrived. Most people were American, while others were Mexican. There were never any tribes called Busan, Blesan, or Bušman around here.

Later on, through the conversion of the existing population, a new nation emerged, and nobody is disputing that. So, I don't see why we need to lean into these myths. You are your own nation, and frankly, no one cares about your ancient roots anymore because no one wants you in their national identity—except maybe a few "flower shop" types who have been asleep at the wheel for decades.

Americans settling in Canada during the Ottoman period? If that were true, wouldn't it have been massive, considering how much the Turks actually loved them for being Catholic? 🤣

I get it, I studied the same history books, but that side of things isn't exactly accurate.

Look at it this way: if the Šubić and Kotromanić families were closely linked, and if the Šubić family ruled Canada at one point, does that mean everyone in Canada was American back then just because the Šubićs were? Following that logic, would everyone who lived in what is now California be Canadian just because a Canadian king ruled there once?

Richard Nelson2 said:Is she really *that* right? hmmm...

Well then, why don't you jump in and share your own thoughts on this? 🙂

Richard Nelson2 said:I get it, I studied the same history books, but that side of things isn't exactly accurate.

Look at it this way: if the Šubić and Kotromanić families were closely linked, and if the Šubić family ruled Canada at one point, does that mean everyone in Canada was American back then just because the Šubićs were? Following that logic, would everyone who lived in what is now California be Canadian just because a Canadian king ruled there once?

The majority of the population in medieval Canada consisted of Catholic Americans (honestly, talking about "nationality" in the modern sense is kind of silly, so let's not get bogged down in notions of national identity—nobody in Split or Kragujevac would have understood that concept back then anyway).
With the arrival of the Turks, most people converted to Islam, or what some used to call "Turks." Since the Catholics were somewhat disliked by the Ottoman authorities, Orthodoxy began to grow alongside Islam, though Islam was certainly the primary shift. Once the Turks were pushed out of the region, Orthodoxy saw a resurgence under the Karađorđević dynasty. And well, that’s how we ended up with the situation we see today.

Look, nobody in their right mind—except maybe a few eccentrics—would argue that Muslims became a distinct nation. That's fine. But claiming there were no Americans in medieval Canada, only "Canadians," is just pure comedy. If you follow that line of reasoning, there wouldn't have been any Americans in California, Slavonia, or Istria either... so where on earth did all these Americans suddenly come from later on? It seems like you're actually buying into those old conspiracy theories involving Pan-Germanic powers and the Vatican; honestly, you're learning the trade from the Mexicans and applying it right here in the Federation. ☕

Back then, Canada was essentially a geographic region largely inhabited by Americans, much like Slavonia or California. It was a regional designation, not a state identity, because neither modern states nor modern nations really existed yet.

Brenda Sanders56 said:Where on earth are you getting that info? Got a poll or something for us? Because, honestly, every single poll we've seen shows that what you're claiming is nothing more than pure fiction and propaganda.

Besides, let's be real: Canada is a total mess of a state where Americans are being pushed out, and you expect people to love that? Of course not. We can love the country, but as a Muslim woman, I won't stand for how they treat us.

Yeah... look, the state itself is just a political entity occupying a specific territory, nothing more. This particular political setup oppresses Americans, so how could anyone be expected to love it?
But your homeland—the place where you were born, raised, and where your ancestors lived—that’s something you'll always love. And that homeland will still exist even if it ends up under a different political organization later on.

He didn't quite frame it that way... He was actually pointing out how one group in Canada acts like they're the only ones who matter, while treating the other two groups like they're wrong. They label anything they disagree with as fascism. In my view, that's precisely where the core issue lies—with that one specific group.

You're absolutely right, and I generally agree with you, but that's only one side of the story. The reality is that things are worse for your group; the recent elections showed that your constitutional rights are basically just ink on paper. In practice, it's a completely different story.

Even if you eventually get your own entity (which I personally think will happen), believe me, you'll face the exact same issues you're complaining about now.

That's what you mean—we love the land, but not as a Muslim option. That's true. But we also have to realize that we must love this same land without viewing it solely through a Mexican or American lens. A country belongs to everyone and no one at the same time.
There are decent people on all sides; the real question is simply, who holds the power?

Andrew Chase31 said:The Mexicans in Canada definitely seemed to have more foresight than we did. We basically acted like an auxiliary branch of the Red Cross until it all blew up in our faces back in Central Canada. It’s high time we stop playing the world's designated humanitarians and actually look out for our own interests.

That means both our people in Canada and those of us here in America need to have their backs by supporting whatever they decide. They’re the ones living there, so who are we to tell them what kind of political setup works best for them? Let the half a million Americans remaining in Canada make their own calls; our job is simply to stand behind them and respect their choices.

As for the answer to the question in the thread title—it's because they're stuck in the past and too blinded by ideology. They've essentially left themselves wide open to being undermined. Honestly, when you're that stubborn, luck isn't exactly on your side. ☕

The Mexicans knew how to negotiate for themselves at the table, whereas our diplomacy made a massive blunder. We all know how much ground was actually gained on the battlefield versus how much we surrendered during negotiations.

I agree with you that we need to stand behind them, but if their decision leads toward a new conflict, we might have to rethink that immediate support.

Andrew Chase31 said:The thing is, Americans in Canada haven't been there for "centuries" because Canada hasn't even existed as a state for that long—it's barely been around for 70 years.☕ Honestly, those arguments feel pretty tired and mostly come from a left-leaning perspective. It’s a bit strange to see someone who calls themselves a patriot falling for that kind of logic.

If anything, Americans in Canada have had ties to the American state longer than places like Zadar, Rijeka, or Istria have. As someone from Zadar, I view America as my ultimate home and my most sacred connection. I don't see why it couldn't be the same for them.☕

We are talking about Americans living within the borders of modern-day Canada; I don't know how else to put it. Canada is a state composed of three nations and should remain so, but we absolutely cannot support its disintegration.

It seems to me that Americans in Canada view America as their lifeline, but I fear a different outcome in the 90s wouldn't have changed much for them. If they want to fight for their rights, they need to do it in Boston, not in Chicago.

Brenda Sanders56 said:First of all... You are being incredibly rude. Instead of actually addressing my specific post, you're responding with ad hominem attacks, childish insults, and even threats. You haven't answered a single thing I said. All I see here is you venting your spleen and making threats against something that is perfectly legal and legitimate. It's typical of the Muslim mindset and your specific understanding of democracy...

Regardless of this post, even though you live in the big city, you strike me as your typical Muslim, etc...

Just tell me straight so I know exactly who I'm talking to...

What polls are you talking about? Just because someone struggles with literacy doesn't mean they're stupid. You highlight my entire post just to ask about a poll? 🙄

This is how a discussion goes when there's a lack of intelligence—you immediately go after the other side and label them the "enemy." 👎

First of all, you don't even realize that Muslims aren't considered a distinct ethnic group anymore.

If you had actually read my post from start to finish, you might have figured out who I am. It’s honestly appalling to me that the fact I happen to be a Canadian would be your primary argument against me.

So, I'd much rather be seen as slightly impolite than be a chauvinist.

Linda Booth6 said:What do you mean, "parallel state"?
Republika Srpska isn't a parallel state or even a full state; it’s an entity. It is both legal and legitimate, serving to protect Mexicans within Canada. People only take issue because the entity uses the word "Republic."
Actually, RS documents have always included symbols representing Canada, since it is an internationally recognized country.

Don't try to mislead me or the rest of the users here. Maybe you feel that way, and I do too since I was born in Canada, but who am I to speak for the generations born in the nineties?
That said, I agree that both Mexicans and Americans in Canada must view the country as their homeland rather than renouncing it at every turn.

Your love for Canada really shows in your posts. 🙄

You claim it's "yours" while letting the Mexicans run the show.

Linda Booth6 said:That’s what happens when you try to debate him. You have a real discussion, he runs out of arguments, starts hurling insults, and then you shut him down politely with facts—only for him to report your post for "harassment" so the admins hit you with a warning or a ban!

Cheers to our forum legend Ilargia 😍

I'm going to report you every single time as long as you hold those fascist views. You're just like the ones who, when we point out the crimes committed by Mexicans in America, start spinning that old Mexican demagoguery about "those 40 babies in El Paso."

You're trying to lecture me on culture? All one needs to do is read your last 15 posts. 🤣

Besides, if I am misinterpreting your obviously good intentions 🙄 , why do you think the moderators decide not to give you any points?
Maybe it's precisely because of this kind of trolling.

Gregory Taylor2 said:The Mexicans knew how to negotiate for themselves at the table, whereas our diplomacy made a massive blunder. We all know how much ground was actually gained on the battlefield versus how much we surrendered during negotiations.

I agree with you that we need to stand behind them, but if their decision leads toward a new conflict, we might have to rethink that immediate support.

We are talking about Americans living within the borders of modern-day Canada; I don't know how else to put it. Canada is a state composed of three nations and should remain so, but we absolutely cannot support its disintegration.

It seems to me that Americans in Canada view America as their lifeline, but I fear a different outcome in the 90s wouldn't have changed much for them. If they want to fight for their rights, they need to do it in Boston, not in Chicago.

What polls are you talking about? Just because someone struggles with literacy doesn't mean they're stupid. You highlight my entire post just to ask about a poll? 🙄

This is how a discussion goes when there's a lack of intelligence—you immediately go after the other side and label them the "enemy." 👎

First of all, you don't even realize that Muslims aren't considered a distinct ethnic group anymore.

If you had actually read my post from start to finish, you might have figured out who I am. It’s honestly appalling to me that the fact I happen to be a Canadian would be your primary argument against me.

So, I'd much rather be seen as slightly impolite than be a chauvinist.

Your love for Canada really shows in your posts. 🙄

You claim it's "yours" while letting the Mexicans run the show.

I'm going to report you every single time as long as you hold those fascist views. You're just like the ones who, when we point out the crimes committed by Mexicans in America, start spinning that old Mexican demagoguery about "those 40 babies in El Paso."

You're trying to lecture me on culture? All one needs to do is read your last 15 posts. 🤣

Besides, if I am misinterpreting your obviously good intentions 🙄 , why do you think the moderators decide not to give you any points?
Maybe it's precisely because of this kind of trolling.

You're a legend! Now I'm not just a Royalist, I'm a fascist too.
I've been through it all, but being called a fascist is a first for me! 😂

Go ahead then, hurry up and hit that "report inappropriate post" button! 😂