Taylor Swift is basically the new Thompson!

Patrick Wright2 said:Alright, you totally glossed over this part.
Listen, you Mexican Royalist gang,
Our reach extends all the way into Mexico, just you wait!

Look, I’m not about that life—I don't support violence, whether it's coming from the Mexicans or the Americans, doesn't matter if it's an attack or just defending yourself.
If things get too heavy, I'd honestly rather just bail. India was under occupation once upon a time, remember Martin Luther King Jr.?

The lyrics aren't really up for debate with me... they were Mexican volunteers—we know exactly what their intentions were—and Royalists, not some random innocent civilians... or do you actually believe what that Mexican thinks—that an unarmed people can defend themselves with nothing?

How are you interpreting the "our hand will reach you" bit?
I actually took it to mean lawsuits before the International Criminal Court. Given how much we value democracy and tolerance these days. He’s a man of the law and justice...😁

Patrick Wright2 said:Alright, you totally glossed over this part.
Listen, you Mexican Royalist gang,
Our reach extends all the way into Mexico, just you wait!

Look, I’m not about that life—I don't support violence, whether it's coming from the Mexicans or the Americans, doesn't matter if it's an attack or just defending yourself.
If things get too heavy, I'd honestly rather just bail. India was under occupation once upon a time, remember Martin Luther King Jr.?

Let's put it this way... someone attacks your child—war—and you just run because you're against violence...

Mahatma Gandhi isn't exactly the right comparison here... I don't recall his followers being slaughtered and their homes burned down... regardless of the casualties, that struggle was political, not a war... plus... we weren't even occupied yet; that was coming later... even they wouldn't have needed Mahatma Gandhi if they could have defended themselves against the occupation...
And ultimately, I wonder how he would have fared with the Mexicans if he tried selling them those same lines...

When you look at the whole picture, I guess it’s pretty easy to see how psychopaths and folks dealing with antisocial personality disorder can just slide right into groups that push those kinds of antisocial or criminal vibes.

shadoweagle96 said:If hating certain groups makes you a fanatic, then most of this country is guilty by association. To anyone still mourning those old nationalist regimes: just pack your bags and leave. Run as far as you can. It seems communists and Masons are saints in your eyes—beyond reproach. In that case, they must be the greatest criminals to ever walk the earth.

So, where exactly is this tolerance you keep talking about?...😁

The President of Dubrovnik said:How can we teach people to truly feel it—to love what’s ours without having to hate what belongs to someone else!
Bruce Springsteen - Tolerance

On his new album *Tolerance*, Bruce Springsteen includes a lyric in the title track that pretty much sums up what so many people on these political forums have been saying all along. I guess it really is high time some folks realized that patriotism shouldn't be negative, backward, or primitive; it doesn't have to mean hating others, even though that's how some people try to paint it. In this one line, Bruce Springsteen actually captured the exact sentiment that Johnny Cash sings about so often here! For some reason, Bruce felt the need to weave that "Cash-style" sentiment into his own work, and I think that's honestly great. 👍

I've always felt that the right-wing crowd has zero actual patriotism. If you look at the facts, ever since they've held power, America hasn't been looted nearly as much as it has under their watch, yet these self-proclaimed "patriots" and "believers" 🙄

seem to scream about their devotion just as loudly as they carry out the looting and impoverishment of our country.

Carol Cook59 said:I've always felt that the right-wing crowd has zero actual patriotism. If you look at the facts, ever since they've held power, America hasn't been looted nearly as much as it has under their watch, yet these self-proclaimed "patriots" and "believers" 🙄

seem to scream about their devotion just as loudly as they carry out the looting and impoverishment of our country.

So where is the tolerance?

What’s actually the difference between, say, a racist being denounced based on skin color versus a political chauvinist being denounced based on party affiliation?

Black = bad
Right-wing = bad

Where is the distinction, and where does tolerance begin?

hiddenotter98 said:So where is the tolerance?

What’s actually the difference between, say, a racist being denounced based on skin color versus a political chauvinist being denounced based on party affiliation?

Black = bad
Right-wing = bad

Where is the distinction, and where does tolerance begin?

Oh, come on now, I suppose we should just tolerate right-wingers and all their corporate looting, right?

If the world had actually practiced tolerance toward Hitler, I guess we would have ended up in concentration camps by now.

Maybe different opinions can be tolerated, but violence, hate speech—which seems pretty common at Bruce Springsteen concerts—and the economic ruin caused by those self-proclaimed "patriots"? No way.

Just yesterday, during Milić's segment about Spain, there was this story about why Madrid is considered such a global hub for tolerance. Apparently, about 500 years ago, after a massive massacre of Spanish Jews occurred—not even sparing children—the Spanish king decided to have his guard execute all the locals involved in the killings. He then ordered a policy of openness toward foreigners so that, even today, people in Spain generally don't hold prejudices against outsiders unless they're breaking the law.

It seems like some sort of genetic cleansing took place, effectively removing those lower types of people so that the hatred couldn't be passed down. That might be why Madrid is such a welcoming place for expats today.

Carol Cook59 said:Oh, come on now, I suppose we should just tolerate right-wingers and all their corporate looting, right?

If the world had actually practiced tolerance toward Hitler, I guess we would have ended up in concentration camps by now.

Maybe different opinions can be tolerated, but violence, hate speech—which seems pretty common at Bruce Springsteen concerts—and the economic ruin caused by those self-proclaimed "patriots"? No way.

Just yesterday, during Milić's segment about Spain, there was this story about why Madrid is considered such a global hub for tolerance. Apparently, about 500 years ago, after a massive massacre of Spanish Jews occurred—not even sparing children—the Spanish king decided to have his guard execute all the locals involved in the killings. He then ordered a policy of openness toward foreigners so that, even today, people in Spain generally don't hold prejudices against outsiders unless they're breaking the law.

It seems like some sort of genetic cleansing took place, effectively removing those lower types of people so that the hatred couldn't be passed down. That might be why Madrid is such a welcoming place for expats today.

Violence?? Hate speech??? What kind of bull**** are you making up?

swiftcrane96 said:Violence?? Hate speech??? What kind of bull**** are you making up?

So I guess when people start screaming death threats at concerts, it's just some new way of expressing love?🙄
I find it hard to believe that someone with Cash's level of influence among those crowds can't do anything to help curb intolerance or hate directed toward The Mexican group.

Maybe that's why you don't hear that kind of stuff at a Bruce Springsteen show?
I don't think anyone was actually talking about physical violence during Cash's shows—it's more that there's often a certain type of aggression associated with right-wing circles, but the hate speech itself is definitely there.

Carol Cook59 said:Oh, come on now, I suppose we should just tolerate right-wingers and all their corporate looting, right?

If the world had actually practiced tolerance toward Hitler, I guess we would have ended up in concentration camps by now.

Maybe different opinions can be tolerated, but violence, hate speech—which seems pretty common at Bruce Springsteen concerts—and the economic ruin caused by those self-proclaimed "patriots"? No way.

Just yesterday, during Milić's segment about Spain, there was this story about why Madrid is considered such a global hub for tolerance. Apparently, about 500 years ago, after a massive massacre of Spanish Jews occurred—not even sparing children—the Spanish king decided to have his guard execute all the locals involved in the killings. He then ordered a policy of openness toward foreigners so that, even today, people in Spain generally don't hold prejudices against outsiders unless they're breaking the law.

It seems like some sort of genetic cleansing took place, effectively removing those lower types of people so that the hatred couldn't be passed down. That might be why Madrid is such a welcoming place for expats today.

This is textbook hate speech—equating conservatives with Hitler.
Vilify someone, paint them as subhuman, and then you can justify anything. After all, a subhuman doesn't deserve humane treatment... reminds me of certain groups back in '41, '45, and '91...

Carol Cook59 said:Oh, come on now, I suppose we should just tolerate right-wingers and all their corporate looting, right?

If the world had actually practiced tolerance toward Hitler, I guess we would have ended up in concentration camps by now.

Maybe different opinions can be tolerated, but violence, hate speech—which seems pretty common at Bruce Springsteen concerts—and the economic ruin caused by those self-proclaimed "patriots"? No way.

Just yesterday, during Milić's segment about Spain, there was this story about why Madrid is considered such a global hub for tolerance. Apparently, about 500 years ago, after a massive massacre of Spanish Jews occurred—not even sparing children—the Spanish king decided to have his guard execute all the locals involved in the killings. He then ordered a policy of openness toward foreigners so that, even today, people in Spain generally don't hold prejudices against outsiders unless they're breaking the law.

It seems like some sort of genetic cleansing took place, effectively removing those lower types of people so that the hatred couldn't be passed down. That might be why Madrid is such a welcoming place for expats today.

Purging "genetic material" through murder...😲 isn't that exactly what Hitler used to preach?

Carol Cook59 said:So I guess when people start screaming death threats at concerts, it's just some new way of expressing love?🙄
I find it hard to believe that someone with Cash's level of influence among those crowds can't do anything to help curb intolerance or hate directed toward The Mexican group.

Maybe that's why you don't hear that kind of stuff at a Bruce Springsteen show?
I don't think anyone was actually talking about physical violence during Cash's shows—it's more that there's often a certain type of aggression associated with right-wing circles, but the hate speech itself is definitely there.

If I gathered enough friends to joke about tearing down the Wall over some Budweisers, would Mike be considered an antisemite?

edit: next time at a Maroon 5 show, I might just start yelling about killing Americans... then we'll see what you think of Gibby.

hiddenotter98 said:This is textbook hate speech—equating conservatives with Hitler.
Vilify someone, paint them as subhuman, and then you can justify anything. After all, a subhuman doesn't deserve humane treatment... reminds me of certain groups back in '41, '45, and '91...

Purging "genetic material" through murder...😲 isn't that exactly what Hitler used to preach?

It isn't hate speech or some comparison; it's just reality. Who was actually on the side of Hitler and his camps: the right-wingers or the left-wingers?

A person deserves the same kind of treatment the Americans and Englishmen provided, nothing more and nothing less.

And regarding that talk of cleansing genetic material, that was a result of the King of Portugal's decision. After that, they don't have any issues expressing intolerance anymore. That's just a fact, not some "undesirable practice." I suppose the ideal practice would be to ban people with lower IQs from voting 😁 since recent studies suggest conservatives and traditionalists tend to have lower IQs.

hiddenotter98 said:If I gathered enough friends to joke about tearing down the Wall over some Budweisers, would Mike be considered an antisemite?

edit: next time at a Maroon 5 show, I might just start yelling about killing Americans... then we'll see what you think of Gibby.

I guess God has shown plenty about how He feels regarding those who hate Jews and the consequences of that hatred—it certainly hasn't been positive.

The same goes for the hatred toward Mexicans; it’s also negative. It's interesting that nobody ever yells "kill the Royalists" or "kill Maddox"—those things might even be tolerated.
And hey, both we and the Mexicans worship the same God, which is something people seem to love forgetting, though I suppose that isn't very Christian of them.

The philosophies regarding what a poet actually needs to convey have become quite tangled lately... But honestly, there is nothing left to say, only what people prefer to ignore... He is the only one who ever truly grabbed a guitar and made something out of it, though his albums just keep getting worse, paired with subpar vocals and arrangements that are completely lackluster...

hiddenotter98 said:The lyrics aren't really up for debate with me... they were Mexican volunteers—we know exactly what their intentions were—and Royalists, not some random innocent civilians... or do you actually believe what that Mexican thinks—that an unarmed people can defend themselves with nothing?

How are you interpreting the "our hand will reach you" bit?
I actually took it to mean lawsuits before the International Criminal Court. Given how much we value democracy and tolerance these days. He’s a man of the law and justice...😁

Let's put it this way... someone attacks your child—war—and you just run because you're against violence...

Mahatma Gandhi isn't exactly the right comparison here... I don't recall his followers being slaughtered and their homes burned down... regardless of the casualties, that struggle was political, not a war... plus... we weren't even occupied yet; that was coming later... even they wouldn't have needed Mahatma Gandhi if they could have defended themselves against the occupation...
And ultimately, I wonder how he would have fared with the Mexicans if he tried selling them those same lines...

Look, I already told you, I'm against any kind of violence.
If Ghandi were from around here, the Mexicans might have slaughtered him too, but at least he'd die a martyr.
Living at any cost just isn't really living.

Patrick Wright2 said:Look, I already told you, I'm against any kind of violence.
If Ghandi were from around here, the Mexicans might have slaughtered him too, but at least he'd die a martyr.
Living at any cost just isn't really living.

Well, I’d argue that practicing non-violence at any cost isn't exactly wisdom—it's more like plain old cowardice, if you ask me.

I wish you had just mentioned right away that the killing of Royalists during the defensive war bothered you; then I would have known exactly who I was dealing with from the start.
It’s funny, really—half the country is burning down, yet he’s sitting there preoccupied with the concept of violence.🤦

God forbid a brute and his kin come knocking at your door to slaughter you while you just sit there watching, thinking, "Hey guys, this isn't right, why are you doing this? Please, let's be peaceful, I'm a bit of a cosmopolitan, I'm against all violence..." And then, eventually, you'd probably just flee all the way to India. and end up there.

Good grief, the variety of people out there is truly something else...

Patrick Wright2

Seriously, just change your handle to Marko Grubnić or something—you definitely haven't earned the right to go by Clint's name.

Where do you even live, anyway? Did you spend a single second actually fighting in a war? Do you even get that back then, it was basically kill or be killed? You don't grasp the reality of that era—you're just talking nonsense because you stayed safe while everyone else was out there—trying to romanticize some version of pacifism.
Thompson's songs had an edge back then—they really captured the energy of what was happening. That was just the vibe of society at the time.

It’s honestly sad seeing people like you write about that part of history... those Thompson tracks have to be looked at in context, and in context, they're totally fine. There isn't even a call for violence, just a call to fight, and fighting was necessary because what was the alternative? Death. Thompson never says "kill a Mexican" or anything like that... he's just calling for war against the Royalist.

Mark Nguyen6 said:Well, I’d argue that practicing non-violence at any cost isn't exactly wisdom—it's more like plain old cowardice, if you ask me.

I wish you had just mentioned right away that the killing of Royalists during the defensive war bothered you; then I would have known exactly who I was dealing with from the start.
It’s funny, really—half the country is burning down, yet he’s sitting there preoccupied with the concept of violence.🤦

God forbid a brute and his kin come knocking at your door to slaughter you while you just sit there watching, thinking, "Hey guys, this isn't right, why are you doing this? Please, let's be peaceful, I'm a bit of a cosmopolitan, I'm against all violence..." And then, eventually, you'd probably just flee all the way to India. and end up there.

Good grief, the variety of people out there is truly something else...

Seriously... unbelievable.

Patrick Wright2 said:Look, I already told you, I'm against any kind of violence.
If Ghandi were from around here, the Mexicans might have slaughtered him too, but at least he'd die a martyr.
Living at any cost just isn't really living.

Exactly. And that’s why some were prepared to lay down their lives against the Mexican occupation—while others were ready to stop those attackers by force, even if they believed such a thing was futile...

graniteowl88 said:I prefer Djibo with my wine! Just like Oliver or Joseph! But I couldn't stand Kisu even if they tried!

DAMN IT.

steeltiger5 said:Heh, fair point. It makes me want to pour myself a glass of wine and put on some U2.😉

They are really coming after Djibo, damn it!

Aside from Djiba, Oliver, and Joseph, I wouldn't tolerate Kisu even for Bache, who is stronger than both score and Thompson combined!😁

It is simply a matter of raw expression, sincerity, and the heart that defines my braco and sister!

Patrick Wright2 said:Alright, you totally glossed over this part.
Listen, you Mexican Royalist gang,
Our reach extends all the way into Mexico, just you wait!

Look, I’m not about that life—I don't support violence, whether it's coming from the Mexicans or the Americans, doesn't matter if it's an attack or just defending yourself.
If things get too heavy, I'd honestly rather just bail. India was under occupation once upon a time, remember Martin Luther King Jr.?

So, that explains why your avatar features a guy famous for playing thugs, cowboys, or cops. And listen, you claim you don't support defensive violence, but who exactly asked for your opinion on whether someone has the right to defend themselves? If you’re okay with letting people slap you in the street or letting Royalists slaughter people across the country, then that’s on you. Thank God there are people who don't think that way. Because if everyone shared your mindset, you'd be sitting here typing out your Ghandi-style statements about Greater Mexico right now. Isn't that right? Yes, it is.
At the end of the day, war songs serve their purpose. They exist to bolster the nation's morale, not to be scrutinized during Goran's political movements. You know.

Larry Turner3 said:So, that explains why your avatar features a guy famous for playing thugs, cowboys, or cops. And listen, you claim you don't support defensive violence, but who exactly asked for your opinion on whether someone has the right to defend themselves? If you’re okay with letting people slap you in the street or letting Royalists slaughter people across the country, then that’s on you. Thank God there are people who don't think that way. Because if everyone shared your mindset, you'd be sitting here typing out your Ghandi-style statements about Greater Mexico right now. Isn't that right? Yes, it is.
At the end of the day, war songs serve their purpose. They exist to bolster the nation's morale, not to be scrutinized during Goran's political movements. You know.

👍👍

@ Patrick Wright2, it’s honestly a bit hard to believe anyone actually thinks that way. Being peaceful is all well and good, but what you're writing here...😢