9/11 Conspiracy

Even though I know there’s already a thread dedicated to the "9/11 Conspiracy" over in the "fringe science" subforum, I decided to post this documentary right here under "Movie." To me, this qualifies as actual "art" from the film industry—well, at least the documentary side of it.

Honestly, this 9/11 conspiracy theory is absolutely worth watching, at least from my perspective. If anyone is actually interested in uncovering the real truth, feel free to check out this link: http://youtube.com/watch?v=gwV7KXJz8zs It offers some pretty intense "clarifications" regarding the World Trade Center... I have to say, after finishing it, I was left completely stunned. 😲

If it weren't for the victims involved, this documentary would be considered a Hollywood masterpiece. As it stands, it's simply the raw truth behind the "9/11 conspiracy theory."

Whether it’s the absolute truth? I can't say for sure.
Is it a more plausible version of events than the official story? Without a doubt.

I just finished watching two documentaries on this—part 1 and part 2—totaling about two hours.
They were so incredibly detailed that they completely flipped my perspective on that tragic day.
We're talking about planes that weren't even commercial jets, but basically flying fuel tanks packed with explosives. Then you have people swearing up and down that not a single United or American plane actually hit a skyscraper, claiming they saw white markings on the tails instead. And that explosion right before the impact? Just wild...

And honestly, those buildings collapsing straight down in a free fall? That’s something we've never seen in architecture before. Plus, there were actual experts who said on that very same day that the towers were brought down by internal demolitions, only to change their tune within 24 hours.

In my opinion, terrorists didn't hit the Twin Towers—at least not Arab terrorists. And because of this, the whole US went into mourning and changed everything! Just look at the absolute nightmare we have to deal with now just to board a plane... when the real threats are almost non-existent! It's just horrific, and may God forgive them. I know I can't!
Ever since then, I've been boycotting pretty much anything American. I'm just done with it all. My biggest regret is that visiting New York City used to be my dream, but now? Not anymore.

This all sounds pretty interesting for those of us who aren't exactly fans of Americans, but there’s still that one nagging little issue: there was one plane that never actually reached its target... A single aircraft where the passengers themselves called their families to say they'd been hijacked by terrorists and were going to try something... And they did—everyone perished, but at least the plane didn't make it to its destination.

brighttiger5 said:I just finished watching two documentaries on this—part 1 and part 2—totaling about two hours.
They were so incredibly detailed that they completely flipped my perspective on that tragic day.
We're talking about planes that weren't even commercial jets, but basically flying fuel tanks packed with explosives. Then you have people swearing up and down that not a single United or American plane actually hit a skyscraper, claiming they saw white markings on the tails instead. And that explosion right before the impact? Just wild...

And honestly, those buildings collapsing straight down in a free fall? That’s something we've never seen in architecture before. Plus, there were actual experts who said on that very same day that the towers were brought down by internal demolitions, only to change their tune within 24 hours.

In my opinion, terrorists didn't hit the Twin Towers—at least not Arab terrorists. And because of this, the whole US went into mourning and changed everything! Just look at the absolute nightmare we have to deal with now just to board a plane... when the real threats are almost non-existent! It's just horrific, and may God forgive them. I know I can't!
Ever since then, I've been boycotting pretty much anything American. I'm just done with it all. My biggest regret is that visiting New York City used to be my dream, but now? Not anymore.

And how many times in history has a commercial airliner actually struck a building like that?

David Price5 said:And how many times in history has a commercial airliner actually struck a building like that?

Back in 1945, a B-52 hit the Empire State Building in a pretty similar way. It was fog, bad luck, and primitive radio tech back then. And hey, the building is still standing.
Staging a crash with passengers on board? That would have been easy. Think about it—the people on those planes knew exactly what was happening in New York City, while most New Yorkers were totally clueless.
Plus, at the site where that plane missed its target, they never even found wreckage—engines, tails, wings... nothing.

Look, don't get me wrong, what happened was absolutely horrific, but the evidence just isn't there. Just facts! The Twin Towers were built with flexible steel designed to sway up to 45 degrees in high winds. They had rock-solid foundations and heavy-duty fireproofing already in place before the planes even hit.
And why was the police and the FBI busy seizing video footage from everyone near the burning buildings right before they collapsed? Then you have the Pentagon footage vanishing just three minutes after that famous Boeing impact... I mean, three minutes! You can't even grab a coffee in that time.

I don't know about you guys, but in this case, the math just doesn't add up.

brighttiger5 said:Back in 1945, a B-52 hit the Empire State Building in a pretty similar way. It was fog, bad luck, and primitive radio tech back then. And hey, the building is still standing.
Staging a crash with passengers on board? That would have been easy. Think about it—the people on those planes knew exactly what was happening in New York City, while most New Yorkers were totally clueless.
Plus, at the site where that plane missed its target, they never even found wreckage—engines, tails, wings... nothing.

Look, don't get me wrong, what happened was absolutely horrific, but the evidence just isn't there. Just facts! The Twin Towers were built with flexible steel designed to sway up to 45 degrees in high winds. They had rock-solid foundations and heavy-duty fireproofing already in place before the planes even hit.
And why was the police and the FBI busy seizing video footage from everyone near the burning buildings right before they collapsed? Then you have the Pentagon footage vanishing just three minutes after that famous Boeing impact... I mean, three minutes! You can't even grab a coffee in that time.

I don't know about you guys, but in this case, the math just doesn't add up.

I'm just not sure how much fuel was in that B-52. Given how quickly the Boeing took off from the airfield, it was likely fueled up.

Look, here’s my take—that skyscraper should have just collapsed or at least split right where the plane hit. The idea that both towers dropped all the way down to the foundation just doesn't sit right with me. I mean, does an airplane really carry enough fuel in its wings and tanks to bring down a massive, hundred-plus story building straight through its footprint?
I mean, can you believe they even leveled the first ten floors, which were miles away from the actual impact zone?
It’s just so, so weird!

brighttiger5 said:Look, here’s my take—that skyscraper should have just collapsed or at least split right where the plane hit. The idea that both towers dropped all the way down to the foundation just doesn't sit right with me. I mean, does an airplane really carry enough fuel in its wings and tanks to bring down a massive, hundred-plus story building straight through its footprint?
I mean, can you believe they even leveled the first ten floors, which were miles away from the actual impact zone?
It’s just so, so weird!

There was plenty of fuel to melt the steel and rebar... once that happened, it became a chain reaction. What was supposed to hold up the floors above if the supports underneath were already destroyed? With every floor that gave way, the weight just kept getting heavier and heavier.

No, jet fuel simply doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel, and even when those buildings started coming down, the fires were actually losing intensity.
Even the architect who designed the towers claimed such a collapse was impossible, noting that the structures were specifically engineered to withstand an impact from a massive commercial airliner.
Experts from various universities—metallurgists included—have pointed out that what happened couldn't have occurred the way the official story claims.

It’s an old story that they aren't the ones at fault 🙂🙂🙂

redowl90 said:This all sounds pretty interesting for those of us who aren't exactly fans of Americans, but there’s still that one nagging little issue: there was one plane that never actually reached its target... A single aircraft where the passengers themselves called their families to say they'd been hijacked by terrorists and were going to try something... And they did—everyone perished, but at least the plane didn't make it to its destination.

Personally, I'm convinced that plane didn't just happen to crash into a field; it was shot down by the Americans (it was headed toward the White House), because what else could explain it? Maybe the passengers made it to the cockpit and fought back, or maybe some action hero like Steven Seagal was on board and took matters into his own hands? In every Hollywood movie with a similar setup (even Air Force One), the standard American political playbook is to take down the plane regardless of the innocent people on board if hitting the final target would cause more damage.
So, when it comes to this specific plane, nobody can convince me otherwise (at least not yet).
As for everything else, I'm not so sure. If what that documentary suggests is true, then we're left with two massive questions:
-If it wasn't bin Laden, who had the guts—even within the most radical Republican circles—to pull off a conspiracy this big?
-If it wasn't bin Laden, why did he claim responsibility (if I recall correctly, he admitted to everything)?😕 😕 😕

What I find interesting is how several other buildings right next to the twin towers collapsed as well.
Especially that famous building number 7
It’s almost too convenient how that building just seemed to collapse entirely on its own.

bluebison8 said:No, jet fuel simply doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel, and even when those buildings started coming down, the fires were actually losing intensity.
Even the architect who designed the towers claimed such a collapse was impossible, noting that the structures were specifically engineered to withstand an impact from a massive commercial airliner.
Experts from various universities—metallurgists included—have pointed out that what happened couldn't have occurred the way the official story claims.

He definitely didn't say that.

I actually enjoy conspiracy theories, though. They're entertaining. Some people seem to hate Americans so much they'll even blame them for killing their own countrymen.
Americans can be pretty much anything, but one thing is certain: everyone in government is an extreme, hardcore patriot. For instance, it would never cross my mind to pick up a rifle for any country just to go kill people from another nation, but that's not how Americans think. They have this patriotic mindset where they feel the need to "defend" their "democracy," even if that means heading to the Middle East to take out someone they don't understand or even know.

Samuel Smith5 said:What I find interesting is how several other buildings right next to the twin towers collapsed as well.
Especially that famous building number 7
It’s almost too convenient how that building just seemed to collapse entirely on its own.

Some people point out that Larry Silverstein bought up the surrounding complex along with building 7, and then, just two months later, he happened to secure an insurance policy for a massive, eye-watering amount of money... 😍
And then, suddenly, the building collapses without any clear cause... ☕
Again, I'm just repeating what some folks say ... ☕

Building 7
copied from Wikipedia
At the time of September 11, 2001, Salomon Smith Barney was by far the largest tenant in 7 World Trade Center, occupying ... 64 percent of the building, spanning floors 28 through 45.
Other major tenants included ITT Hartford Insurance Group, American Express, Standard Chartered Bank, and the Securities and Exchange Commission.[18]
Smaller tenants included the IRS, Regional Council, and the US Secret Service .[18]
The smallest tenants included the New York City Office of Emergency Management, NAIC Securities, Federal Home Loan Bank, First State Management Group Inc., Provident Financial Management, and the Immigration and Naturalization Service.[18] The Department of Defense (DOD) and CIA (CIA)
😲

Officially, Building 7 collapsed because of fires that broke out on the 5th and 7th floors. 😕

Honestly, I lose faith in Americans when they build skyscrapers out of paper.

You really ought to sit down and watch the movies produced by Richard Gage. He’s an architect with over 20 years of experience who has worked on countless massive steel-frame structures. If you actually take the time to watch them, everything will become crystal clear to you—but of course, that requires dedicating several hours of your life to study, and I know not everyone here is prepared for that level of commitment!

Yet, apparently, everyone is more than ready to jump in and write posts, regardless of the fact that they haven't even spent 45 minutes doing any actual research.

Just go to this website:
http://www.ae911truth.org/

...the seventh anniversary of September 11 is approaching soon, and a flight to New York City will run you about $650.

Ugh, I’ve found myself spiraling down a rabbit hole of documentaries about conspiracy theories lately, and frankly, most of them are absolute garbage. Of course, one shouldn't take anything at face value—especially when politics is involved—but I suppose there's also this growing trend where people blindly swallow every single thing they see in a film just because it doesn't align with the official narrative.

If you’re asking me, I tend to lean toward what I call the theory of human incompetence.
To my mind, it is significantly more plausible that Americans were simply too disorganized to prevent a small group of terrorists from slipping through the cracks, hijacking three planes, and crashing two skyscrapers, than it is to believe they were somehow efficient enough to pull off an incredibly complex operation involving countless participants, killing their own citizens, and actually getting away with it.

Chloe Nguyen said:Ugh, I’ve found myself spiraling down a rabbit hole of documentaries about conspiracy theories lately, and frankly, most of them are absolute garbage. Of course, one shouldn't take anything at face value—especially when politics is involved—but I suppose there's also this growing trend where people blindly swallow every single thing they see in a film just because it doesn't align with the official narrative.

If you’re asking me, I tend to lean toward what I call the theory of human incompetence.
To my mind, it is significantly more plausible that Americans were simply too disorganized to prevent a small group of terrorists from slipping through the cracks, hijacking three planes, and crashing two skyscrapers, than it is to believe they were somehow efficient enough to pull off an incredibly complex operation involving countless participants, killing their own citizens, and actually getting away with it.

The official version? ...Are you even aware that over 66% of Americans are calling for a new investigation??

...Do you realize that 3,000 people died that day, and 50,000 others are currently facing life-threatening health issues? Many have already passed away from inhaling toxic dust and debris—air that the government claimed was perfectly safe to breathe that day. They still haven't admitted to that mistake, which essentially led those people to their deaths. To make matters worse, the first responders and recovery workers who risked everything to pull survivors from the rubble haven't received a single cent in compensation for their illnesses. Some of these folks are forced to take upwards of 20 pills a day just to function. This has been going on since the time of September 11.

..All those families suffering the loss of their loved ones aren't satisfied. Why? Because 70% of the questions they’ve asked remain unanswered—questions posed to the government and the paid experts who penned that little report the administration released.

We aren't talking about some wild conspiracy theory here... we are talking about evidence. Please, don't be so lazy that you refuse to watch movies where evidence is presented point by point regarding physics, mathematics, engineering, controlled demolition, and logic. All of this evidence is rooted in the fundamental laws of physics. Don't you believe in the laws of physics??

Take some time. Actually study the case.
Google

Brian Carter13 said:The official version? ...Are you even aware that over 66% of Americans are calling for a new investigation??

...Do you realize that 3,000 people died that day, and 50,000 others are currently facing life-threatening health issues? Many have already passed away from inhaling toxic dust and debris—air that the government claimed was perfectly safe to breathe that day. They still haven't admitted to that mistake, which essentially led those people to their deaths. To make matters worse, the first responders and recovery workers who risked everything to pull survivors from the rubble haven't received a single cent in compensation for their illnesses. Some of these folks are forced to take upwards of 20 pills a day just to function. This has been going on since the time of September 11.

..All those families suffering the loss of their loved ones aren't satisfied. Why? Because 70% of the questions they’ve asked remain unanswered—questions posed to the government and the paid experts who penned that little report the administration released.

We aren't talking about some wild conspiracy theory here... we are talking about evidence. Please, don't be so lazy that you refuse to watch movies where evidence is presented point by point regarding physics, mathematics, engineering, controlled demolition, and logic. All of this evidence is rooted in the fundamental laws of physics. Don't you believe in the laws of physics??

Take some time. Actually study the case.
Google

I am certainly not disputing the loss of life or the health issues caused by the dust. It is a well-established fact that fine particulate matter is devastating to lung health. And, given how fundamentally broken the American healthcare system is, I suppose it isn't particularly surprising to me that all those people were simply left to fend for themselves.

As for the rest of it—this notion you hold that Americans destroyed the towers themselves and somehow managed to get away with it... well, I guess it’s all just a bunch of tree-hugging hippie crap. I have watched several documentaries on the subject, and frankly, none of them were remotely convincing.