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Anyone know which issue this is? Question about double standards in the NY Post

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Participants Matthew Castillo5lonebadger6northernsailor8bluecyclist64William Bennett53
Matthew Castillo5 Matthew Castillo5 RegularOP
264 messages
joined Apr 2013
#1 ·
Why is it that the moderators over at this forum let certain users get away with constant insults without any consequences? They just ignore the reports on those posts, yet they’ll nitpick everyone else and hand out bans just because someone holds a different opinion.

Take this thread about the St. Louis Bridge for example:


MrBeast goes on for two whole posts calling people trolls and insulting them personally, while some other user calls their writing "pathetic vomit" and "total nonsense." All three posts were reported, but not a single one resulted in a penalty.
Matthew Castillo5 Matthew Castillo5 RegularOP
264 messages
joined Apr 2013
#2 ·
lonebadger6 wrote in another thread:
***OFF-TOPIC *** The admin asked us not to drift into other topics here, just to give a quick answer since the conversation is already moving. Linda Young38, if you think someone is being punished just for having an opinion, you aren't going to get very far. A bunch of mods and supermods have already explained the rules regarding your warnings to you; if you still don't get it, let's just assume you're choosing not to. Things aren't going to change just because you're being stubborn. As for your reports on other posts, I'll be blunt: I barely even look at them anymore. Sorry, but this is volunteer work that takes up way too much time as it is, and with all due respect, you are one of the biggest spammers when it comes to reporting. Out of ten of your reports, nine and a half are completely misses and totally pointless (no matter how many dramatic adjectives you use to dress them up), and honestly, you're just hurting your own credibility (meaning any actual valid reports you might make). I don't have the energy to deal with your reports anymore—there are eight other colleagues out there, and whether they've looked at them and decided they don't warrant a warning, or if they're just ignoring them like I am, I have no idea. ***END OFF-TOPIC***

And here is my response:
None of my reports on problematic posts are "spam." Every single one of those posts absolutely deserved a warning. I’m not demanding or expecting that every single one actually gets penalized—obviously, the moderators have the discretion to decide on a case-by-case basis—but to admit that you aren't even looking at them? That’s just irresponsible.

I pointed out three specific posts on the page linked, and for every single one of them, if I or anyone perceived as "conservative" posted that, we'd be handed a red card right now (which would likely lead to an immediate or near-immediate ban). Meanwhile, these two do nothing but troll and insult everyone in sight, seemingly with the blessing of the moderators, because I haven't seen a single person issue them a red card once.
lonebadger6 lonebadger6 Active Member
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joined Oct 2018
#3 ·
I’m not looking for an argument here, but just to be clear—maybe those reports were legitimate, but all you've done with these senseless flags (especially while you're sitting in a ban) is make me lose interest in even opening them... Because when I see a report claiming some "shameless and disgusting insult to all believers" only to find a perfectly normal post, and then that happens fifty times in a row, I'd much rather go watch France... And just so we aren't making this about us personally, the other nine moderators on the Politics board got those exact same reports, dozens upon dozens of them, and they all reached the same conclusion.

Look, I'm not the only moderator on the Politics board, so you don't have any leverage over me. If I happen to be on a thread where someone is actually insulting you, of course I'll step in and hand out a penalty according to the rules, but we don't all spend our lives reading every single thread...

As for this specific thread of yours—the standard rule is to wait 24 hours after a report is filed. It hasn't been 24 hours yet, and from what I can see, MrBeast is already banned and kiss me already took a warning. Both of those things happened before you even opened this thread, so I really have to wonder, what's the actual issue?
Matthew Castillo5 Matthew Castillo5 RegularOP
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joined Apr 2013
#4 ·
lonebadger6 said:Look, I’m not looking for a fight here, I just want to clear the air—maybe those posts were totally worth reporting, but I’m telling you that because of your mindless reporting spree (especially while you're sitting in ban land), I honestly can't be bothered to even open your reports anymore. Seriously, when I open a report labeled "shameless and disgusting insults to all believers" only to find a perfectly normal post, and then that happens fifty more times... at that point, I'd rather just watch France.

First off, I’m not the only moderator on Politics, so you aren't dealing with just me.

And regarding your thread—the standard procedure is to wait 24 hours after a report is filed. Those 24 hours haven't passed yet. Besides, from what I can see, MrBeast (not 23) is already banned, and Kiss Me already got a warning. Both of those actions happened before you even opened this thread. So, really, what's the actual issue here?

Maybe before the thread was opened, but certainly not before I filed my appeal on the other thread. Basically, action was only taken once I submitted my complaint.
If I wrote in the report that there was "shameless and disgusting insults to all believers," then that’s exactly how it was—or at least, that’s how I perceive it as a believer. Of course, the author of the post and any moderators who aren't religious don't necessarily have to see it that way.
northernsailor8 northernsailor8 Active Member
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joined Jun 2015
#5 ·
You’re basically a textbook case of the boy who cried "Wolf!". If you want us to take immediate action on the post, maybe ask someone else to report it or just wait until we see it ourselves. If you're the one filing the report, there are fewer chances that it will actually be sanctioned.
Matthew Castillo5 Matthew Castillo5 RegularOP
264 messages
joined Apr 2013
#6 ·
northernsailor8 said:You’re basically the textbook definition of the boy who cried "Wolf!" If you want us to take action on a post immediately, ask someone else to report it or just wait until we see it ourselves. If you're the one filing the report, there’s a smaller chance it actually gets sanctioned.

So, all nine moderators over on the Politics board are just straight-up ignoring my reports? Well, at least you're being honest about it.

I can't exactly go running to someone else to file a report because I'm sitting at 226 posts out of a possible 200—and the last 30 were nothing but notifications about warnings. I'm not deleting anything; honestly, I'm curious to see how high this number can actually climb.

None of my reports have been for borderline stuff, either. Every single one contained clear elements that warrant a penalty. So, your opening sentence is both factually wrong and pretty insulting.

But hey, I guess one should learn to appreciate the little things. For instance, the fact that you've publicly admitted to ignoring my reports on rule-breaking posts. Double standards, just like I've been saying for ages.
lonebadger6 lonebadger6 Active Member
165 messages
joined Oct 2018
#7 ·
Nah, northernsailor8 and I just ignore it. No clue what everyone else is up to...
Look, for every single report someone else files, there’s one from you. And when you're actually banned, you somehow manage to file two or three for every other user's report. Most of them are just completely pointless...
And always so incredibly dramatic...

I could give you plenty more examples, but it wouldn't be fair to quote other people just to show how much you've reported them, so here's one where you flagged a fellow moderator—your description of this "horrific offense" is in bold...

Showmanship, hate speech against people from St. Louis!

FIRST MOVES BY SINIŠA KOVAČIĆ
Contract revisions, staff changes, and opening correspondence in St. Louis: 'My goal is for CBS to be a true American broadcaster'

Joe Biden will be one of Siniša Kovačić's closest associates
This marks a major comeback for Joe Biden, who was among the editors let go by Goran Radman during his tenure as the head of CBS...

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And just like that, the American national broadcaster becomes some local St. Louis station...😁
Matthew Castillo5 Matthew Castillo5 RegularOP
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joined Apr 2013
#8 ·
Unlike those other groups who act all defensive and territorial just to keep people from "contaminating" their precious topics, everyone from the Politics boards was actually invited here to jump in and share what they think.
bluecyclist64 bluecyclist64 Regular
369 messages
joined Oct 2011
#9 ·
Linda Young38, your fundamental issue is the assumption that you’re the sole arbiter of truth while everyone else is simply mistaken.
Take a moment to reflect on the sheer volume of misinformation you've previously posted here—those baseless claims regarding massacres of women and children back in 1945—before you attempt to lecture anyone else on what constitutes justice or reality.
Matthew Castillo5 Matthew Castillo5 RegularOP
264 messages
joined Apr 2013
#10 ·
bluecyclist64 said:Linda Young38, your only real issue is thinking you’re the only one who’s right and everyone else is just dead wrong.

That’s exactly where most people trip up. Look, I’m not sitting here claiming I’ve got the only right answer while everyone else is just dead wrong. I'm not that guy.
bluecyclist64 said:Remember all those blatant lies you posted on the forum—that nonsense about massacres of women and children back in '45—before you suddenly decide to come crawling around looking for "truth" and justice.

I haven’t published a single lie. I have never once written something that I don't know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, to be true. Do you honestly think I just made up the fact that certain—and obviously, not all—resistance fighters slaughtered women and children after the war? Not a chance. I’ve heard it from people I trust personally, and there are firsthand accounts from those who actually witnessed it. I am deeply convinced it happened. I realize this doesn't fit neatly into your rigid little worldview where the resistance were nothing but noble heroes and Josip Broz Tito was some kind of saintly father figure to every ethnic group in the country, so I suppose that’s why you find it so impossible to accept.
I’ll honestly never live down the fact that when I posted that photo—the one showing the braids of those women and girls murdered at the Wounded Knee site—you actually had the nerve to ask what kind of aliens they were. 🤮

I’ll always be on the hunt for the truth and what’s actually fair.
William Bennett53 William Bennett53 Regular
491 messages
joined Sep 2016
#11 ·
William Bennett53, we have been over this multiple times now. You know full well that throwing accusations at clans without providing any actual, verifiable sources simply won't fly here. Let’s not waste our breath going through this same cycle again. 🙂

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