Bad Boys - Part IV

briskmarlin said:What are you even talking about? That whole "intellectual" approach isn't going to work here—it’s not like we’re dealing with decent people... you can't just show up to the games and expect things to change!

Trying to fight Mamić and the mafia with nothing but high-minded philosophy 😁...
that's just not how the world works.

Morgan Scott82 said:Using Vedsk philosophy to take on Mommy and the mafia... 😁

This isn't some joke. Honestly, we need to sink people like vBanović and šUker once and for all... what an absolute lack of integrity...

The plan was always to show up to the games and absolutely demolish them... Mamić has already been tested, now it’s time to face Dr. Rbanov... WE AREN'T BACKING DOWN!

If we aren't going out there to protest right now, I don't know what we're waiting for. Just shut us down already.🤷

Morgan Scott82 said:Look at the sponsors under Nicollin and New Orleans. The Tourism Board and City sponsor the club, so there isn't much anyone can actually do about it.

In general, they could, but running a business involving a few million dollars in subsidies isn't their priority. It’s too small-scale for them; it won't be at the top of their agenda.

"It’s not really the flares or the pyrotechnics that are the issue, it's more about the racist chanting and insults. We’re going to have strict security at the stadium gates. Local police and even state troopers are helping us out, so we'll have the list of Kansas City Chiefs fans ready. We'll do everything possible to prevent any issues. We don't want the game interrupted," Kerovec said, announcing that they'll be doing thorough fan checks and identity verifications.

see, now suddenly it isn't the flares or anything else, it's just Mamić being a crook... they sure change their story and their mindset fast

Dennis Davis97 said:If now isn't the time to protest, I don't know what we're waiting for... just let them shut us down.🤷

It’s just not the right time because we lack the numbers. Expecting ten thousand people to show up is pure fantasy. Plus, the public would still view us with suspicion; some minor scandal would likely pop up immediately, grabbing all the headlines and dragging the entire protest back a step...
That's just my take on things, though I could be wrong... 🙂

I think we should all get together... Up in the stands... Regarding the national team playing in Iceland... First off, I think we could draw way more people if we actually tried. Second, this national squad is really just the icing on the cake of how rotten our football scene is right now. We should pack Yankee Stadium with supporters from all over the States—everyone standing shoulder to shoulder, roaring for the full 90 minutes. It’s a massive game, and the media coverage is going to be huge. My only concern is controlling the crowd; I'd hate for our chants and messages to get drowned out by some idiots setting off flares on the pitch or causing chaos.

Listen, let’s be honest—yesterday wasn't "legendary" by any stretch of the imagination. It was pathetic. Truly bottom-of-the-barrel. We shouldn't have been forced to flee our own stadium just because of the chanting and the noise, fearing people might actually get hurt... If the cops had stepped in yesterday and done what they were clearly planning to do, we could easily be sitting here talking about the days when a group called the Bad Boys actually existed. I never thought I’d find myself saying this, but it feels like we're heading straight there... because day by day, our numbers are dwindling. My utmost respect goes to the veterans who show up at every single game, and to those few individuals trying their hardest to hold us together and stand our ground... but if those bastards don't back off or if we all end up caught in the chaos, the Bad Boys will be nothing more than a memory once upon a time...

Jacob Newman74 said:I think we’d see the best results if we organized a massive group takeover in the stands during the national team match against Iceland. First off, we could pull in way more people, and besides, the national team is basically just the icing on the cake of this entire mess that is our soccer scene. We should pack out the east side of Yankee Stadium with ultras from all over the US, standing shoulder to shoulder and roaring for 90 minutes straight. It’s a big game, so the media coverage will be huge. The only real challenge would be managing the crowd so our chants don't get drowned out by some flares on the pitch or random chaos...

The issue isn't a lack of passion; it's a mental one. Sure, we got hit hard by the MO because of Unešić... but we aren't backing down. We'll take to the streets, spray the graffiti, and support everything we can. Our hands aren't tied. It honestly breaks my heart to see how indifferent people have become during away games, even though they showed up when names were finally being restored. Just stand by your brother in the stands and be yourself...

WE WILL NOT STAND DOWN!

We need to start playing this a bit smarter—I mean, look, when there’s only 50 or 200 of us out there, we’re going to get swept up in everything if we start chanting stuff about Mamić or getting rowdy in Unesica, so maybe it’s better to just swallow the frustration and skip those specific chants... though, obviously, when we’re pushing close to 1,000 people, like when we're facing off against a volunteer militia, you can't exactly expect anyone to stay tucked away from the crowd🙂 I realize this might sound ridiculous to some of you, but honestly, I'd much rather deal with an extra 200 people than face the alternative of being hit with bans🙂

Jacob Newman74 said:It’s just not the right time because there isn't enough momentum. Expecting ten thousand people to show up is a total pipe dream—don't kid yourself. Plus, the media would still be looking down their noses at us, and you know how it goes—some tiny little scandal would probably pop up, blow up in the headlines, and turn the whole protest into a massive step backward.
That’s just my two cents, though—maybe I'm totally off base. 🙂

I honestly think the best move would be a massive group meetup in the stands during the national team game in Iceland. First off, I bet we could pull way, way more people in. And second, the national team is basically the icing on the cake of this entire mess that is our soccer scene. Imagine packing out the east side of Yankee Stadium with ultras from all over the US, standing shoulder to shoulder and roaring for 90 minutes straight. It’s a huge game, so the media coverage will be insane. The only tricky part would be making sure the crowd doesn't get so wild that our messages and chants get drowned out by some flare chaos on the pitch or random nonsense.

Look, if this crackdown isn't enough motivation for someone to set aside a day to make their voices heard, then we might as well just give up. To me, it's simple: if you think things are fine as they are, stay home. But if you actually care, you can't just sit around doing nothing in the stands anymore. Maybe there are other ways to fight back, but a real protest would finally show everyone exactly who we are and where we stand.

mistysurfer19 said:so maybe it's better to just swallow it and not chant about it...

That kind of thing doesn't exist in our system. Who is this local judge to think he can defend free speech or fan culture for the Bad Boys?

We aren't swallowing anything or looking for workarounds. We’re hitting them right where it hurts, because it's our right...

Honestly, if they try to push things underground, they’re just asking for trouble—because once you're out on the street, there aren't any cameras or a massive police presence like there is at Yankee Stadium, and besides, all those officers eventually have to head home at the end of the night anyway.

neonraven112 said:Look, if this crackdown isn't enough motivation for someone to set aside a day to make their stance known, then we honestly have nothing to complain about. It makes sense to me: if you think things are fine for you as a fan, just stay home. But personally, if you aren't willing to show up, you don't belong in the stands anymore. There might be other ways to fight back, but a protest would actually demonstrate who we are and where we stand.

It would expose how pathetic our whole scene really is.😬 I don't think I'm being unrealistic when I say a maximum turnout would be around 1,500 Bad Boys, 1,000 Torcida, 400 Armada, 250 Cohort, 150 Ultras and Demons, and maybe 300 from the smaller groups. You get roughly 3,500 people in the square. That’s it. Those are the hardcore ultras who would actually march through Chicago, and even then, I might be overestimating. To get real mass appeal, you need the masses, which means half-ultras and casual sympathizers. In the current climate, there is zero chance you'll convince anyone outside our circle to cough up the cash and time to join a fan protest. Sure, plenty of people hate the mafia, but those people also have much more important things to do with their lives than deal with some organized crime outfit.
It’ll be much easier to mobilize a crowd for a US National Team match, but whether we like it or not, without real numbers, we're finished.

The only things worth watching are TV and newspapers, especially if you could actually get onto a decent talk show
For instance, one solid segment on a show like 60 Minutes carries more weight than all those stadium chants combined.

Jacob Newman74 said:Man, this just highlights how pathetic our whole scene has become. 😬 I don't think I'm being unrealistic when I say the absolute ceiling is maybe 1,500 Bad Boys, 1,000 Torcida, 400 Armada, 250 Cohorts, 150 ultras and demons, plus another 300 random smaller groups. You end up with maybe 3,500 people in the square. That’s it. Those are the ultras who'll actually show up for some protest in Chicago—and honestly, I might even be overestimating. To get real mass numbers, you need the casuals and sympathizers. In the current climate? No way you're convincing anyone outside the inner circle to drop their cash and time to show up for a fan protest. People hate the mafia, sure, but they also have better things to do with their lives than worry about some mobsters.
It’s way easier to mobilize a crowd for a national team game, but whether we like it or not, without mass numbers, we're screwed.

1,000 Torcida? 🙂 Please. They can pull 4,000 or 5,000 to the south stand at the stadium during a derby without breaking a sweat before the season is even decided.
The rest of those numbers are just depressing. It's not like the older crews lost their way—everyone knows what's happening. They'll mobilize for a concrete protest like this way faster than they would for a random away game. Having all the supporter groups involved will be a huge boost for everyone, including the casual sympathizers.

A lot of them don't even care about the scoreline or where we're playing anymore; they're just waiting until we're all forced to face reality—both the people who aren't fed up yet and the ones who are.

Maybe I'm just reading it wrong, but if we don't strike back, we're basically nothing. 🤷

You might see 3,500 people from Cleveland heading down to Stuttgart, much like how the stands at SoFi Stadium get packed, but let's be real—most of those folks need a massive nudge just to get out the door. The situation with the Kansas City Chiefs is its own special kind of mess, and since there’s so much heat on the mafia element right now, I think the turnout would actually be pretty decent. We aren't part of that crowd, so honestly, 😬

Either way, I think staging a protest alongside a US National Team match is a much smarter move. 🙂

Austin Watson38 said:The most confusing part for me is that you just can't seem to fix the security situation. I honestly can't wrap my head around it. It makes zero sense to me.🤷

What exactly don't you get? We have maybe 50 to 100 people actually pulling the strings, doing the heavy lifting, setting the stage, and putting in the work. Meanwhile, you've got all the other clowns on Facebook, the forums, and in the local bars who think they're geniuses from the sidelines or are just sitting there being completely useless.

I honestly can’t stand this protest nonsense. Seriously, look back at our last attempt to take on the mob—it was an absolute train wreck. Think about it before you jump into this one. We had maybe 200 people showing up total, and our core group? Barely 30. Between the Armada, the Demons, Kohorta, and the Ultras, we couldn't even get 50 actual bodies in one place. And then there's Jesse Campbell, talking big about 10,000 people filling up the square... haha, yeah, right. The only way we'd see those numbers is if we were handing out free whiskey, lines of coke, and hosting strip clubs on every corner.

Eric Phillips52 said:Seriously, forget about this protest. Just look at how that last rally against the mob went—total disaster. Think about it. We had maybe 30 people show up while everyone else was busy doing something else. No one over 50 people in sight. And then he has the nerve to claim there were 10,000 people in the square? Yeah, right. Maybe if we were handing out free whiskey and drugs on every corner, we’d see those numbers.

Something like that. 😂🤣 😁

Jesse Campbell was always such an optimist—not saying he was totally delusional about how things worked, but definitely looking on the bright side 😁