Bad Boys - Part IV

Jesse Campbell said:Just look at how this article ends. It’s high time we organize some massive rally to tell UEFA and those local thugs exactly where they can shove it:

I mean, seriously, if the two biggest supporter groups in America don't step up and run the show, then who actually will?
It shouldn't even be a debate whether this needs to happen—everyone is clearly on board, and people will show up. All the groups will descend on the city... maybe even pick a weekend during the season, because you can't just skip one game to save the whole fan movement and our "democracy" or whatever...
Today it's your turn, tomorrow it'll be Torcida, then Armada steps up, and boom—problem solved....

I couldn't care less about their support, nor am I expecting them to actually wrap their heads around what a supporter movement is all about. It’s just the same old story: the corporate suits in the front office going up against the real fans. What really gets under my skin is their refusal to use any common sense—they won't even bother to compare the club we should be, versus the mess we are right now. They refuse to look at the gap between the kind of people who *should* be running a major US franchise and the crowd currently calling the shots. I'm talking about the difference between a club run for its own glory and one run by people who only care about lining their own pockets.

Eric Phillips52 is basically the patron saint of the average American—just pure, unadulterated devotion at this point.

Joseph Kim33 said:I finally made it back to the stadium yesterday—my first time since we declared the boycott. Honestly, I only went because I couldn't stand watching this from the sidelines anymore. My crew is still holding firm on the boycott, and despite my best efforts, I couldn't talk them into going.Honestly, people are sticking to their guns. They aren't going to budge while he’s walking around that club acting like he owns the place, and frankly, nobody can even find a leg to stand on when they try to argue against them. Look, regardless of how you slice it... I was thinking along the same lines just a few days ago. But honestly? After seeing the way they’ve started targeting the group, it’s become clear that staying away is pointless. There is zero sense in this boycott anymore. We all need to get back into the stands, period. That is the only way we can actually clean up this mess. To every single group still sitting this out: I truly hope you realize this before it’s too late—before this absolute disaster completely destroys everything we care about. This is it. It’s now or never. What we are witnessing right now... frankly, it’s worse than anything seen during the darkest days of the old regime. People, seriously, when are you going to wake up? We have to stand up together. It’s the only way we win. It’s us against them. Period.

Who can even find the words to criticize them? Are these people seriously oblivious to the fact that dozens of their own brothers were facing jail time and detention? Or that hundreds of them were harassed, blacklisted, and targeted by systemic repression? Instead, they’re just sitting at home or chilling at a bar, wasting time because they’ve decided to stay away as long as the owner is still running the show. And while they sit idle, their brothers are out there taking the heat just because the attendance numbers aren't where they need to be? Give me a break. Honestly, nobody has a leg to stand on here. Where did all those BBBZG diehards and the crews from the '06, '08, and 2010 eras vanish to? Everyone suddenly has an excuse. It shouldn't be hard to grasp the reality: you aren't going to win this fight with just two or three hundred active people.

Eric Phillips52 said:Is anyone even going to call them out on this? I mean, seriously, do they actually realize that dozens of their own guys were sitting in holding cells or behind bars? Or that hundreds of them were targeted by police lists, harassed, and dealt with through all kinds of repression? And what are they doing now? They’re just chilling at home or hanging out at some bar, basically doing nothing because they decided they aren't showing up as long as the owner is still running the show. So their brothers are out there taking the heat just because they lack the numbers? Give me a break. No one's saying a word. Where did all the Bad Boys and those crews from the '06, '08, and 2010 eras disappear to? Everyone suddenly has an excuse. Can we just be real for a second and admit that a tiny group of maybe 200 or 300 active people isn't going to win this fight?

on Wednesday 👍

jademarlin54 said:First things first: let's get behind the BBB!
Honestly, I’m not even sure there’s any point in addressing that absolute disaster from last night. It was a total disgrace—it felt less like a legitimate nation and more like some rogue North Korean regime. 🙂🙂🙂
Look, if anyone wants to point a finger at me, go ahead—I don't care. I just don't get it. What exactly is the upside for the BBB? Why on earth are they being backed by Torcida, Armada, and every other American Group out there?🤷It’s all well and good to talk about "bonding" with the BBB, and sure, that supporter spirit is great for the atmosphere. But let’s get real for a second. If we’re being honest, none of this is actually going to move the needle when it comes to finally ousting Mamić from Dinamo. Even more importantly? This isn't going to do a damn thing to purge the addicts out of American Football. If Dinamo fans don't show up in droves and act as one single, unified force, then we’re basically throwing the game away. We need everyone at Yankee Stadium, completely locked in and standing together, if we want any chance of pushing back. "Mamić," if that doesn't do the trick, you might need to get 10,000 people out there protesting at every single game until he finally packs his bags. Unfortunately, that's just how I see it.🤷
Look, the issue here isn't the Bad Boys, nor is it any other supporter group in the country. The real problem lies with the Dinamo fans who are essentially sabotaging their own club. They aren't stupid—far from it—but they've chosen to put their faith in that absolute bottom-feeder. By doing so, they’re proving just how corrupt and insidious they truly are. It’s just as bad as those who sit idly by, passively watching while that monster ruins the entire landscape of American football. Honestly, if you look at the math, does this club even have a real fanbase, or is it just a few hundred Bad Boys?🤷I’m being dead serious here—this isn't some attempt at a provocation. It is just genuinely hard to wrap my head around what’s happening. In a massive metropolis like this, it's unbelievable that nobody stands up to him. The only ones even attempting to push back are a few hundred Bad Boys, and honestly, I have nothing but respect for them. I truly admire how much they're willing to endure.

Please, tell me I completely misread the situation. Tell me you aren't actually being serious right now.

Eric Phillips52 said:Is there truly anyone left to voice an objection? Are they even aware that dozens of their comrades were facing detention and prison cells, or that hundreds more were subjected to endless lists, harassment, and systemic repression? Instead, they sit at home or in some local pub, idling away their lives simply because they have decided not to show up as long as Mamić remains in power. And so, their brothers suffer the consequences just because they lack the necessary numbers? It is hard to find anyone to criticize them when they are absent. Where are all the Bad Boys and the various crews from the 2006, 2008, or 2010 eras? Everyone seems to have found some excuse. Is it really such a difficult concept to grasp that this battle cannot be won by a mere 200 or 300 active individuals alone?

Those who want to find a way will find one, while those who don't will simply invent an excuse. That is the end of the story.
But let us be realistic: we no longer have those 200 or 300 "available" people, as was clearly evident yesterday, because everything currently boils down to about 20 core individuals plus some unproven kids. Imagine yesterday's situation if it had occurred during the 2006-2007 period with the lineup we had back then that could actually hold the line. Or consider the parallel between the takeover in the city during the final round before the break and what happened yesterday. We need to recruit everyone who is still breathing; if necessary, we should sit down with every single person—and I don't mean one by one, but rather reaching out to every group that is currently incomplete or non-existent. Furthermore, we should visit certain individuals, clear the air where needed, and see who is still standing, because every single person counts right now, and among those people, there are those who have been through significant struggles and carry both experience and history on their shoulders.
Did anyone actually receive any sort of official notice yesterday?

I don't think I'll ever forget that last big European match before the whole boycott thing went down. I mean, I just sat there in front of the TV, mostly because I wanted to see what the stands looked like from the outside and how you guys were actually cheering 😍(not that I'd even care if I liked it or not, honestly), but anyway, that’s not really the point. The real kicker was right at the start of the game when they showed the ceremonial banner for Yankee Stadium and what did I see? Well, every single top leader from every major political party was right there. It didn't matter if they were in power or part of the opposition; everyone was there, except maybe Pupovac—though I wouldn't be surprised if he was hiding in the crowd and the camera just missed him 🤷. I have to say, that was the moment it really hit me: Mamić might be the one out in front, but he's just handing out slices of the pie to absolutely everyone. It feels like the goal for the political elite is just to maintain one massive, powerful club, because let's face it, you can't have two teams competing in the LP. And football today? It's basically one of the most profitable ways to legally trade human beings (the players) around. After seeing that, who could possibly argue that everyone isn't getting their cut through refereeing organizations or party funding? How is it even possible that this "monster" Mamić is somehow above the law? Like, how is he not behind bars yet? How can he get away with everything in this country while the fans get kicked out of the stadium the second his name is mentioned! Who is protecting him? The government! And what is the government, really? It's the leaders of all the parties. They write the laws, and they're the ones deciding whether to let Mamić run Dinamo and the entire HNS. Why do they let him do it? I only see one answer, and that is that everyone is getting a piece of the action. It's a sad thought, but I guess that's how it is... unless someone can prove me wrong 🤷

Eric Phillips52 said:please, just tell me I totally misread this, and that you aren't actually being serious right now

Sorry, everyone, let's just calm down... I mean, maybe you finally realized how that looks🤷

Everything that needs to be said has been said, so now it is finally time for...
NOW OR NEVER!

jademarlin54 said:Sorry, everyone else seems to agree here. Maybe you should try being a bit more realistic. 🤷

Look, man, let’s look at the math. We average about 150 adults at home games, but when we travel, we pull in closer to 300 adults on average. If you add up everything from the entire season, we don't even fill our stadium once.

jademarlin54 said:I will never forget that final European match before your boycott started. I actually turned on the TV just to see what it looked like from outside the stands and how you guys were cheering 😍(not that I’d say whether I liked it or not at the time), but honestly, that isn't even the point. The real revelation came when, right at the start of the match, the broadcast showed the ceremonial banner for Yankee Stadium, and what did I see? Every single major leader from every political party was right there. It didn't matter if they were in power or in the opposition; everyone was present, except maybe for the most obvious ones—though frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if even he was there and the camera just missed him 🤷. It was then that I truly realized that Mamić is merely the public face, while the spoils are being distributed to absolutely everyone. The goal for the political elite is to maintain one powerhouse club because you simply cannot have two clubs competing in the LP. And let's face it, football today is essentially one of the most profitable legal ways to trade human beings (players). After what I witnessed, who can possibly prove that everyone doesn't have their slice of the pie, whether through refereeing organizations, political funding, or individual politicians? How is it possible that this "monster" Mamić remains above the law? How is it possible he isn't behind bars yet? How can it be that everything is permitted for him in this country, while fans are kicked out of the stadium the moment his name is mentioned! Who protects him? The state! And what is the state? The state consists of the leaders of all the political parties. They are the ones drafting the laws, and they are the ones deciding whether to allow Mamić to run Dinamo and the entire HNS, and why do they permit him to do so? I see only one answer: everyone gets a piece of the cake. Unfortunately, I believe that is the case, though I welcome anyone to try and prove me wrong 🤷

Exactly. In my view, that is one of the primary reasons why the man at the top refuses (or is unable) to leave. He is the head of this country's corrupt, mafia-style hydra. Everyone benefits from the head, and the head benefits from them. Simply put, he has so many so-called "his people" that he has to constantly siphon money from somewhere just to grease the palms of all those scumbags. And those scumbags, who hold authority within the judiciary, the legislature, and the FBI, won't let him go—they won't allow it—because if he goes, the money stops flowing. This is a political-mafia hydra with a thousand tentacles that can only be destroyed by a massive, serious grassroots protest by the people. They won't step down on their own. Unfortunately, the vast majority of people in America are sheep (at least 80% of them), so the Bad Boys can't get any support from the average fan.

casualrider43 said:Exactly. I mean, if you ask me, one of the biggest reasons why the big boss won't—or maybe just can't—step down is because he’s basically the head of this entire corrupt mafia octopus running the country. Everyone benefits from him, and he benefits from them. It’s all tied together. He’s got so many so-called "people" on the payroll that he practically has to keep stealing money somewhere just to keep bribing all those lowlifes. And those people? The ones holding power in the courts, the legislature, even the FBI? They aren't going to let him go. They won't allow it, because if he leaves, the money dries up for them too. It’s this political-mafia hydra with a thousand tentacles, and honestly, I think the only way to kill it is through massive, serious protests by the public. They aren't going to quit on their own. Sadly, most people in America are just sheep—probably at least 80% of them—so the Bad Boys can't really get any real support from regular fans.

AMEN!

If you really step back and look at it, closing down the East Stand was a total genius move by Mamić.
The fans were forced to buy tickets for the North Stand where all the cameras are positioned—it was basically checkmate. They caught everyone they wanted, handed out the bans, tossed a few more names onto the blacklist, and just like that, problem solved.
So well planned....

Thomas Doyle19 said:you smartasses better just sit tight while Mamić, Linić, and the rest of that trash screw everything over, so you can spend the next ten years regretting it when it’s too late. that's why the Bad Boys are basically our entire universe right now, because they actually get that we have to act now instead of waiting until we're drowning and there's no way out. but who am I even talking to, you and all those peacekeepers who probably want to solve things with olive branches like Mamić is some kind of saint? the guy is a total badass and he says it to everyone's face without blinking, and I didn't see you or any of you other "concerned citizens" acting tough or calling the cops back then, claiming it was unnecessary. personally, I think this whole corrupt country needs to be torched, not just New York City. I stand by that completely, so let them come for me if they want. one thing is certain, Mamić isn't going to face a damn thing because he's "above the law," which is why everyone deserves to get screwed—from the FBI to Dinamo to all these institutions that don't do their jobs, because if they actually did, the fans and the Bad Boys wouldn't have to do their work for them.

as far as the public goes, I honestly admire the optimists who haven't realized yet that you can never win over this mindless crowd for the fight and the goals we have, since we aren't even on the same wavelength; what matters to us doesn't matter more to them than the dirt under their fingernails. trying to bring people like that over to our side is impossible, making them understand or join the fight against Mamić is even harder, and frankly, I don't even know what we're hoping for anymore. I'm done with these empty heads who can't see past their own noses, because in a few years, the same people sending cops at us will be sending them at them, they're just too stupid to realize it. whatever, we deserve it if we can't think for ourselves, so let everyone from Mamić to the big shots in DC screw us over. clearly, we're no better than those idiots.

I hear what you're saying...
but expecting the whole city or the entire country to rise up is just an illusion (unfortunately), and here is why:
just look at how many people showed up for those protests against the government in different cities and it'll make sense to you...if people didn't rise up then, you can bet they won't now when it's about a football club (people just don't give a damn about some club)

that was always the real method, leaving quietly instead of meeting force with force, because that's exactly what they want—to paint you as savages destroying stadiums, cities, and property.

my honest advice to you is: don't give them any ammunition to use against you or to portray you as a destructive horde looking for chaos wherever you go.

what happened yesterday was a direct hit.

Zachary Carter53 said:If you step back and look at it, closing down the East Stand was actually a genius move by Mamić.
The fans were forced to buy tickets for the North Stand—where all the cameras are positioned—so it was basically checkmate. They caught everyone they wanted, handed out bans, probably added a few more names to some blacklist, and boom... problem solved.
Real masterclass planning right there....

Honestly, I was thinking the exact same thing. Especially since they announced immediately that West Stand tickets were unavailable, leaving the North Stand as the only option. And they've got all the surveillance infrastructure sitting right there...

Jesse Campbell said:Mamić doesn't have any public support whatsoever. That's just nonsense. If you look at any poll, he's incredibly hated...

Then there's those few thousand paupers who show up during the summer on free tickets, but generally speaking, nobody gives a damn about him...

That’s true, but the reality is that even the hardcore fan groups don't have public backing, no matter how much you struggle to accept that fact...

But like I already said, what happened yesterday was actually a decent move—just a quiet exit without all the drama, flares, or throwing trash on the field—which really flips the script in your favor.

William Martin42 said:That’s true, but you have to face the fact that fan groups don't have public support either, no matter how much you want to deny it...

But like I mentioned before, yesterday was actually a decent move. A quiet exit without any drama, no flares, no throwing trash on the field—stuff like that. It really shifts the momentum back in your favor.

Most of them are going to get banned. And honestly, the blacklist will probably just get longer...

Kyle Davis5 said:most of them are gonna get banned.. and that blacklist will probably just keep growing...

now just imagine if they hadn't acted like that, like if they actually put up a fight or caused some kind of chaos around the stadium or inside it?
would they have even gained anything, or would they've just done themselves a massive disservice?

It just hit me: the reason he keeps offloading these raw, unpolished kids who haven't even outgrown the MLS isn't because he's leaving soon—it's because there are more people to grease the wheels of, and you need more cash to do it.
I’m a hundred percent sure that besides US cabinet members, cops, and other big shots, he’s dropping 1-2M a pop in bribes.
Real Madrid has never had an easier path into the Champions League than they have over the last 3 or 4 years. They never get knocked out (well, except for some minor stuff), and whatever is asked of them, they deliver. He couldn't care less about American hooligans, the clubs, or the homegrown talent as long as Mamić’s money keeps hitting his account...
He’s got the HHO backing him—who probably sold their souls for peanuts because they're spineless—along with Amra, plus a few hundred idiots in Europe who are blinded by players like Sare and Pinta. These morons completely forgot how we've spent the last ten years without any real signings, just smoke and mirrors and fake big ambitions. I even heard someone yesterday, after just six season games, saying these guys aren't even good enough for the domestic league, let alone the Big Five. Give me a break. Screw the players and screw the Champions League. It actually made me depressed when Ruka scored, because all it does is drag out this misery.