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Bad Boys - Part IV

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Daniel Carter9 Daniel Carter9 Member
16 messages
joined Jul 2009
#1921 ·
I think there’s been a misunderstanding. I never said we don't need the rest of the fans; after all, I am one of them.
Look, it wasn't about needing a feature story, a reconciliation, or any of those gestures. If the remaining supporters truly believe that a mobster who manipulates everything involving Madonna isn't a fit choice for Dynamo, then fine.

The question isn't whether we need everyone else back. The question is, what could be done to actually bring them back? Are we expected to just forget within six months how this guy ruined people's lives? Are we supposed to run PR campaigns for Samira, acting like she's "one of us"? Where does that leave us? Honestly, why hasn't the legal team taken every possible step to expose all of Mamić's nonsense? Our group has handled everything on our end that made sense... I could go on... but it’s honestly heartbreaking to see our crew realize that we—through PR, media, and presence at the stadium—have accomplished more than others have in fifty years of existence. What can we possibly do to attract the rest of the crowd without betraying those who were screwed over during these last three years?

I'm not sure how else to put this... the ones who stayed are more important than the ones who left. Nothing worth doing is worth betraying our ideals just to win people back.
placidbadger58 placidbadger58 Active Member
119 messages
joined Dec 2012
#1922 ·
Daniel Carter9 gave a lecture, and some people are already trying to argue with him. Seriously, just read what the guy wrote a couple times. It covers everything from A to Z👍
If you don't get it after that, there's no helping you🙂
redjackal8 redjackal8 Member
44 messages
joined Apr 2009
#1923 ·
Daniel Carter9 said:death stares

when I first saw you, I figured you'd end up an extremist

there are fewer good people left these days🙂
rustyangler122 rustyangler122 Active Member
213 messages
joined Feb 2012
#1924 ·
Daniel Carter9 said:I think there’s been a misunderstanding. I’m not saying we don't need the rest of the fans; after all, I am one of them.
Look, just listen. Personally, I didn't need some fancy feature story, or any PR outreach, or any thumbs-up. If the rest of the crowd needs three years of hand-holding before they realize that a mobster who treats Madonna like garbage isn't exactly the right choice for Dynamo, then honestly, screw it.

It’s not about whether we need the others; it’s about what those people would actually have to do to get us back on board. Are we supposed to just forget within six months that this guy has ruined lives? Are we supposed to start running PR campaigns for Samira, acting like she’s one of us? Where does that leave us? Man, why can't we just legally dismantle every single move and expose all of Mamić's bullshit? Our group has done everything reasonable on our end... I could go on forever... but it’s just pathetic when our own crew sees that we—through PR, media, and being in the stands—have accomplished more than anyone else has in fifty years of existence. So, what are we supposed to do to attract the damn rest of the fanbase without betraying the people who got screwed over during these last three years?

I don't know how to make this any clearer... damn it, the people who stayed are more important than the ones who left. Nothing worth doing is worth betraying our principles just to bring people back.

...the real question is whose interest all this serves, and who is actually thinking about tomorrow.☕
Arthur Flores2 Arthur Flores2 Member
43 messages
joined Mar 2013
#1925 ·
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I’m calling it now...

I’m predicting a massive surge in the BBB numbers. I honestly think we’re going to see a huge comeback from the BBB in the stands, just like the good old days. We just need to stir up that feeling of fighting against injustice again. It’s about bringing people back by making the BBB feel like a real community—you know, a group of folks who actually care about tradition and being true patriots. It should be the exact opposite of that stupid, aggressive vibe where people try to intimidate anyone who isn't singing along. When people show up to the North Stand, they ought to feel like they're among brothers...

And honestly, you guys accidentally made a legit music video here. This could actually become a sort of musical anthem for the BBB struggle...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...s9RQUhVM&t=161

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Mark Flores3 Mark Flores3 Member
10 messages
joined Jul 2013
#1926 ·
Daniel Carter9 As stated by:
Look, let me be perfectly clear. I didn’t need any deep-dive feature stories, nor did I care for any tactical shifts or minor adjustments to the club's direction. If everyone else truly requires three years of constant explanation just to grasp that a mobster—someone who treats Madonna like his personal punching bag—is a fundamentally flawed choice to lead Dynamo, then honestly, what is even the point?

The question isn't whether we need to bring others back into the fold; the real dilemma is what exactly we should do to entice them to return. Are we honestly expected to just forget, within some arbitrary six-month window, how this individual has systematically dismantled people's lives? Should we be out there crafting propaganda for Samira, acting as if she is one of our own? Where does that leave our integrity? Why on earth hasn't there been a legal crackdown to pull every single one of Mamić's dirty dealings into the light? Our group has done everything within its power to address the situation from our end—I could go on listing the specifics all day—but it truly saddens me to see our people realize that we have handled the PR, the media coverage, and the stadium atmosphere more effectively than anyone else has managed in fifty years of existence. So, what is the move here? How do we attract the rest of the crowd without committing a total betrayal of those who have been most severely wronged over these last three years?

I am truly at a loss as to how to further clarify this position... honestly, isn't it obvious? The integrity of those who remain is far more significant than any attempt to win over the rest. What possible value can there be in attracting others if the cost of doing so is the betrayal of one's own ideals?

That feuilleton was little more than a calculated attempt to bait the media, specifically outlets like the New York Times or CNN that latch onto these types of stories like flies to garbage just to rack up clicks. For the general public, it offered absolutely nothing of substance; most people simply get lost in a mountain of half-truths and obscure details they’ve never even heard of before. Look, this is America—it's all about optics and surface-level chaos. You have guys making side deals under the table while others are busy laundering money through gas stations, and then you have the top-tier organizations, say the Yankees or the Dallas Cowboys, pulling in massive revenue through various ventures. Take a guy like Zack, for example; he might hold three different jobs alongside his role at the club, and people will try to attribute every little thing to him, but let’s be honest: does anyone actually care about his extracurricular business dealings? Not really. People care about goal differentials, wins, trophies, and the bottom line. They want to hear about the twelve championships, the fifteen domestic cups, Champions League runs, total revenue, and the club's overall profit margin. We understand each other, don't we?
And so we arrive at this undeniable reality: one club might sell a player of a certain profile for half a million, while another moves someone similar to Metalist for four million, or perhaps Dynamo fetches thirteen million for their talent. In the grand scheme of things, all three organizations occupy a similar tier, each experiencing its own unique flashes of brilliance and inevitable blunders. Yet, when a few such transactions occur, the fans inevitably tip their hats to the sheer influx of cash being injected into the club, seemingly ignoring every other failing department in the process. Consider this: if a ten-million-dollar windfall hits the club’s accounts, the administration will simply pour it into some arbitrary project—to be honest, I couldn't care less what they choose to do with it now. It becomes clear that progress has been made, the auditors do their jobs, and that is that. So, where is the actual substance for the young fans looking for direction? What we get instead is a constant cycle of empty rhetoric—the same tired arguments repeated ad nauseam without any real evidence or a viable alternative for "what comes next." You offer the public ten hollow sentences, but then he deposits ten million into the club treasury only to bring in some mediocre player reminiscent of those Sudanese prospects for peanuts. And what will the people say? It’s all perfectly transparent. Then, predictably, some outlet like the Index pops up because they have nothing else to report; journalists who aren't even getting paid struggle to survive by chasing clicks on stories that somehow manage to link every single piece of football news back to someone's mommy.

Over the course of three years, regardless of how much progress was made on one front, nothing at all was achieved on the other. There is this constant emphasis on marketing—one era of media coverage—but that sense of being a true "warrior" culture has simply evaporated. The numbers remain exactly what they were before; we haven't gained any ground, and the crowd has diluted down to just the bare minimum of people who happen to be there. The fundamental issue is that you cannot view a supporter group merely as a marketing vehicle. What is the point if an insignificant piece of news gets picked up by five different major outlets, yet fails to bring even two hundred extra souls to the next match at Yankee Stadium? I hope you understand the nuance of what I am attempting to convey here. A legitimate supporter group should attract people through genuine engagement and action, but what exactly are we offering them now to draw them in? The small core of dedicated fans currently present would likely have stayed together even under strict prohibitions, but the influx of new faces is a mere twenty percent of what we used to see. Furthermore, half of that twenty percent doesn't even care about the cause. So, while I certainly tip my hat to the achievements you mentioned—and I truly mean that—it feels as though all that effort was concentrated in all the wrong areas.
Thomas Doyle19 Thomas Doyle19 Member
44 messages
joined Feb 2013
#1927 ·
Yeah, Index gets all the blame just because they're the only ones actually looking at this guy objectively.

Now you guys are getting worked up again over the usual nonsense, acting like we're all Soros puppets just because Index actually functions as a news outlet.

Would it be any different if some corporate suit instead of Babić owned Index, and they reported the exact same way?

The point is, journalists should report facts. Right now, Index is the only one doing it, so feel free to keep talking trash about them being secret agents or old-school relics.

You think I actually like those old-school types who know every anthem from the old regime? Doesn't change the fact that it's good for the public to have a place where they can read our side of the story.

Since all the major print papers are basically run by the old guard who suck up to Mamić, outlets like the Morning Post or the Evening News are all on his side, just trashing the fans.

To me, Index seems like the only relevant source right now capable of presenting the fans' perspective without all the extra commentary about violence or "verbal offenses" coming from the Bad Boys.

The end justifies the means. Babić has his issues, we have ours; everyone finds their own way to deal with it. They get their clicks, we get actual information—what’s so weird about that? You'll figure out how the world works soon enough.
Mark Flores3 Mark Flores3 Member
10 messages
joined Jul 2013
#1928 ·
But you simply aren't grasping the underlying point of what I am saying. Not so long ago, Index used every possible opportunity to sweep this very same group under the rug at every turn. It was the same old story with Babaić, the same repetitive patterns, and the same low-brow tactics.
George Alvarez13 George Alvarez13 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Jan 2006
#1929 ·
Honestly, who even believes in these elections anymore? We completely missed our window after that boycott ended. I can't even begin to wrap my head around who was actually on board with what, but let’s be real—we were absolute amateurs. If we had just cut the cord immediately, we might actually be on a path to recovery right now instead of getting knocked out cold before we even get a chance to play. Being a pacifist doesn't work when you're dealing with a gang like this.
Daniel Carter9 Daniel Carter9 Member
16 messages
joined Jul 2009
#1930 ·
redjackal8 said:the first time I saw you, I knew you'd end up being an extremist

It seems like there are fewer good people left these days. 🙂

Calling someone an extremist... while posting war updates from the beach. 🤣

Besides, I don't see much of a crisis when more people show up to Wrigley Field than we've seen in the last five years... imagine if they actually left us alone. 🙂
analogstag16 analogstag16 Newcomer
1 message
joined Jan 2013
#1931 ·
Daniel Carter9 said:Personally, I don't see much of a crisis when more people show up to Wrigley Field than we've seen in the last five years... just imagine if they actually left us alone. 🙂

Exactly my point. Just think back to the start of the spring season—I'm talking specifically about Yankee Stadium. At the first game, there were maybe 400-500 bbb, then 600-700 at the second, 800 by the third, and once things started getting intense because everyone was mobilizing at lightning speed toward the 1,000 mark and beyond. Then come the bigger clubs and Hajduk—the police advisory board steps in, and Mamić's blacklists get used to push us out. 😁 Not to mention all those games were absolute nonsense; if it weren't for the guys in the West who just want to watch the match in peace (yeah, right), and the chanting happening in the stands, and how Mamić was only undermined here and there... they couldn't really ban anything except for a quick "poof"—a total stadium ban. 😍 If that hadn't happened, the crowds at Yankee Stadium would be insane right now. But whatever, let them keep their mass numbers somewhere else, who cares.
Justin Watson4 Justin Watson4 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Oct 2009
#1932 ·
That’s some great insight from the man from Osijek. TO THE VERY LAST PERSON! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTew_b9-LhY
Thomas Williams59 Thomas Williams59 Newcomer
8 messages
joined Jun 2005
#1933 ·
Look, sorry if I’m crashing this party and sticking my nose where it doesn't belong, but here we go.
Here’s a little homework assignment for the crowd that loves to bark orders like, "Hey, just squeeze all that into two or three pages," acting all high and mighty like they're ordering a latte. And yeah, that goes for the people "supporting" that kind of attitude, too. It’s honestly ridiculous that this group needs an explanation after three years of constant, exhaustive, deep-dive, bulleted breakdowns covering everything from criminal offenses and broken laws to how the entire state apparatus is basically working for one guy, not to mention the private contracts and the endless money laundering and draining of funds. We've been explaining this non-stop for years—on websites, on TV, in person, in writing... it’s all there.
But look, since there’s zero chance you haven't already caught on or felt the sting of it yourselves, and since in a fight like this there shouldn't be any more "higher-ups" you can just order things from—meaning, instead of saying "they should do it"—you guys just need to start doing it YOURSELVES. Take some initiative for once. Anything. Once you actually start something, everyone else will jump on board and follow suit easily enough. The problem is clearly just getting the ball rolling. So, fine, let's start with something like this brochure, if you actually (?) believe that—considering the group itself is still suffering under this theorist, and even after three years of concise, detailed, and massive explanations regarding crimes, legal violations, the repressive machinery serving one individual, those shady private deals, and the blatant money draining being laid out everywhere from the web to television, both verbally and in print—that the "silent majority" still hasn't gotten the hint.
Don't give me that "I'm not really good with words" crap when you're capable of typing out mile-long manifestos right here. Honestly, using plain language and just listing the facts would be way better.
For the crew that hasn't joined the club or started recruiting members yet, you're cutting fifty percent of the explanation out of your lives immediately. It'll be easier for you because you won't have to deal with the headache of speaking up, demanding anything, or trying to explain democracy and transparency on behalf of someone else.
Just a random thought...
darkcyclist212 darkcyclist212 Newcomer
7 messages
joined Mar 2024
#1934 ·
The guy put forward a suggestion, and I told him I was on board. Look, I know I’m nobody special and my opinion doesn't carry much weight here, but I’m all for taking some kind of affirmative action, whatever form that takes. Even if we’ve tried this exact thing a hundred times before, who cares? Let’s just try it again using a different approach. It isn't going to cost us much. It might not yield massive results, but still...
It might sound foolish, but I honestly believe that doing something is better than doing nothing at all.
It breaks my heart to see things like this happening; I feel for everyone who can't be out there in the stands, which is why I'm trying my best to work with everyone to create something meaningful.
I already sent a private message offering to help out however I can, within my own limited capacity.

Then Professor Ivanković shared his perspective on the situation, which is actually quite logical, and I find myself agreeing with him completely. It’s just that his view is the polar opposite of mine. I’m at the very bottom of the supporter hierarchy, but I am more than willing to contribute to anything that might improve things, both for the club and for the Bad Boys.
Grace Alvarez56 Grace Alvarez56 Newcomer
1 message
joined Aug 2013
#1935 ·
Jesse Campbell said:Here’s my take on everything. I just posted a new blog entry and a status on Facebook, and even a few news sites are picking it up:

http://www.seebiz.eu/oholi-nakupac-d...iona/ar-69638/

The comments over on Index were absolutely brutal, mostly from Mamić's loyalists. 😁But as a dedicated fan of the other side, I’m standing by you. 😠

You made some excellent points, but honestly, the heavy profanity and the idea that parents can't even bring their kids to a game because they're afraid of getting hit by a flying soda bottle—that's hard to swallow. 😳

People are also genuinely appalled by the constant swearing coming from the stands. 😬

It's funny how someone can be cursing out everyone else during the holidays with full backing from a local brass band, yet we act like the city is safe. Boys, don't be assholes; show some respect for ordinary people. 😍
Thomas Doyle19 Thomas Doyle19 Member
44 messages
joined Feb 2013
#1936 ·
Jesse Campbell's latest column was spot on; honestly, the way he phrased everything was a total win.

In my book, it's his best piece yet. If more people wrote with this kind of grit, maybe public opinion would actually shift. We needed this kind of bluntness—if we’d been calling out nonsense in our columns and press conferences as much as Mamić does, maybe we’d actually have a fanbase worth having. 🤣

So yeah, he should just keep going and tell it like it is regarding how Los Angeles FC is playing. 😁
Grace Alvarez56 Grace Alvarez56 Newcomer
1 message
joined Aug 2013
#1937 ·
Thomas Doyle19 said:Jesse Campbell’s latest column was excellent; I think the choice of words he used was spot on.

In my opinion, this is his best piece yet. If more writers kept up this level of scrutiny, maybe public opinion would actually start to shift. We’ve lacked this kind of blunt, unapologetic commentary—if we had been calling out people like Mamić more aggressively in our columns and press conferences, perhaps we would have built a much larger following. 🤣

So, yeah, let him keep tearing into how much of a joke Los Angeles FC has become. 😁

Of course it is, but you have to realize one thing: over the last 20 years, both in Washington, D.C. and in cities like St. Louis and elsewhere, we've seen an influx of certain types of people who are suddenly obsessed with this performative sense of heritage and old-school culture. 😁
mistygull mistygull Member
34 messages
joined May 2013
#1938 ·
To all our heroes—the fathers, the relatives, the friends, and those we lost along the way. A massive, heartfelt thank you.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=6qbgc8&s=5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rdW68lqwlg
hiddenridge99 hiddenridge99 Member
20 messages
joined May 2020
#1939 ·
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0EP7Hegwos

I can't quite remember if this actually happened—it’s all a bit fuzzy—but, uh, just look at the footage from the very beginning right up until the 0:22 mark. 🙏
Thomas Doyle19 Thomas Doyle19 Member
44 messages
joined Feb 2013
#1940 ·
Douglas Brown68 said:Sure, but you have to realize one thing: over the last 20 years, both in Washington, D.C. and cities like Seattle, we've been taken over by these weird types who are suddenly obsessed with this whole "traditional heritage" and high culture thing. 😁

I don't care if they're patriotic, but this sudden obsession with "culture" is a massive problem if you ask me. 😁

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