Bad Boys - Part IV

Eric Phillips52 said:It’s just a discussion about those "average" folks.

They vanish from the stands the moment the weekend hits or the weather turns. Real Madrid
has become a club for old-timers who stopped showing up to matches
(they're content just sitting in some local park watching retirees play checkers or casual ball) because
there’s nothing left to watch and they're fed up with the management.

analogheron19 said:It’s not that the West isn't calling out the Bad Boys just to suck up to their Mommy—it’s that they clearly view us as a bunch of idiots whose only purpose is to insult, tear things down, and cause chaos just to ensure Real Madrid gets kicked out of European competition.

I'm with you on this one. It's not some massive Western coalition specifically targeting us—it's more about preventing the kind of disrespect that would ultimately lead to our "exit" from the European stage.🙂)))

Jesse Campbell, if you look at the polls, most people are practically begging for the Republican Party to take back control right now. But then again, give it a year and the majority would probably be clamoring to have the Democratic Party back in charge. Honestly, screw those damn polls. It’s all noise. It reminds me of when everyone was predicting we were going to absolutely crush Scotland, only for the rest of us to realize the naysayers were actually the ones who called it correctly 👍

Sam Hall45 said:But they didn't boo the other insults thrown at him or the other
songs about him and his brother. ☕

That's because those other insults don't fall under UEFA's jurisdiction... though I definitely heard people booing that stuff at games back before UEFA started handing out penalties for racial slurs.

Like I said, neither side has any real public backing because even though the BBB fight for what matters—like taking down the corruption at Real Madrid—they constantly use tactics that just turn people off, plus let's be honest, the BBB have their own massive issues which is why the public doesn't trust them...

NO SURRENDER! UNTIL THE VERY LAST AMERICAN STANDS!
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Man, they’ve basically cornered Mamic like a drunk stumbling onto a busy street. Honestly, Mamic is just a small fish in a massive pond, and he’s pretty much finished at this point... I mean, if we actually want to make an impact, shouldn't we be pivoting the fight toward the people actually pulling the strings and letting him walk free? You know, the administration, the police, the whole judicial system... I guess the DOJ started off on the right track, but then they just totally stalled out. Why wouldn't they keep pushing with those flyers and messages targeting the real culprits—you know, the ones pointing the way toward Yankee Stadium or Times Square—to show everyone where the actual corruption is hiding? I mean, just think back to how much noise those posters and messages made in the news before everything went quiet.

Doing things this way is like just slamming your head against a brick wall; we're just wasting energy and moving backward instead of forward.

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silverbear38 said:NEVER BACK DOWN! UNTIL THE LAST MAN STANDS!
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damn 👍

Walter Parker47 said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ1q02Ca7ZA

We look powerful here—really powerful!
Our away numbers are always consistent—pretty much the same crowd every time (though maybe there were a few more of us here)—it’s just a shame they’ve banned us from Yankee Stadium. Now, while they go ahead and screw over those 400 people from Tuesday, I guess everything can just go to hell.
The level of police aggression you see here—nothing like what you'd deal with in NYC—is unreal, but despite all that, we aren't backing down and we'll have the last laugh! Screw their corrupt system...

Gary Martinez80 said:They’ve latched onto Mamic like a drunkard to a lamp post. Honestly, Mamic is a small fish—he's finished. The real fight should be directed at those who actually pull his strings and allow him to stay in power. The administration, the police, the judiciary... the DOJ started moving in the right direction, but then they just stalled. Why not continue the smear campaigns and messages against those enabling him? Use signs and directions leading straight toward Yankee Stadium and Times Square to show everyone exactly where the corruption lies. Just remember how much noise those posters and messages made in the public eye.

At this rate, we're just banging our heads against a wall—moving backward without any real progress.

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Yeah, sure, Mamic is "finished." You can walk into the stadium whenever you feel like it, and the league is still operating perfectly fine. :thumb:

You really think Mamic is the one calling the shots at Real Madrid? Honestly, I don't know, maybe he's just a figurehead for those shadow players in the background who let him break every rule in the book and run his own private security force whenever he feels like it.

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vividotter40 said:Look, Mamic is finished regardless. You can show up at the stadium whenever you feel like it, and the championship standings are perfectly legitimate. :thumb:

So, what exactly are you and your little clique actually doing out there on the field?!

Fighting against laws, fighting against bans... 😂

You guys don't even belong in a discussion about the BBB.

Honestly, we’re spending way too much energy worrying about what the crowd is going to sing or what chants the supporters will be shouting. None of that puts food on the table. It’s just as useless as Jesse Campbell's polls or all this endless bickering on news sites and forums. It’s all well and good, really, but when it actually comes time to grit our teeth and bring that energy to the stands, it’s always the same 200 or 300 people showing up. That’s where the real work needs to happen. We went from boycotting to filling the north end of Yankee Stadium with 3,000 to 3,500 people, yet our numbers have absolutely cratered since then. And here we are, still arguing over which polls matter more or whether having 60% or 80% of the stadium empty is a dealbreaker.

restlessbadger6 said:The fact is, the Bad Boys have become predictable. The authorities set the stage, pick the soundtrack, and we just dance along to their easy tempo.

One of the primary advantages of being a relatively small, tight-knit, and highly motivated group like the Bad Boys should be unpredictability and adaptability. Instead, we all seem collectively determined to run headfirst into a brick wall.

I wouldn't call it predictability; I’d call it staggering naivety. It only took one hook to catch the semi-active crowd—those who perhaps haven't quite grasped where this crackdown is actually heading.
Thomas Williams59 recently wrote a line in one of his columns that perfectly encapsulates the BBB. They always choose the hardest path, which is exactly why they find themselves where they are today:
"We never take the easy way out. Those who were there, know."

Raymond King47 said:It isn't a shock that people walked right into the trap so naively... nor is it a surprise what was done to us... some people just refuse to listen...

👍

Eric Phillips52 said:After the boycott, we headed back North with only about 3,000 to 3,500 people. Our numbers have plummeted insanely, yet here we are arguing over which polls matter more or whether it even matters if 60% or 80% of the stadium is empty.

There isn't much left to say about it; everything has already been laid bare. Things aren't going to change; if anything, it can only get worse from here.

Sam Walker75 said:

Seriously though—is there an issue with the site or what?

Screw the ratings and screw this whole debate about the numbers. The actual meat of that article is a much bigger disaster than anyone realizes, and honestly, not even one percent of the truth has actually hit the news properly yet. You’ve got a police force that isn't just playing favorites—they’re using triple standards. You’ve got local PD acting like they’re strictly on a single guy's payroll, going as far as swinging batons at people just for saying a word that isn't even a crime. It's a department where nobody takes responsibility after they shoot someone and leave them bleeding out for hours until they're practically dead, or where they pick up people from halfway across town for absolutely no reason, no explanation, and zero charges. They're even handing over their own files so other people can commit crimes on national TV.
THAT is the real issue, if any of you "dead souls" or zombies—who I see all over the place cheering while the cops clear the stands with clubs drawn—can actually wrap your heads around it. Because pretty soon, it’ll be too late for both them and us, and there won't be anyone left to cheer when they start chasing you off Times Square with tear gas just for holding a basic protest.

Can one of the "responsible parties" tell me if there’s ever been any thought about making a brochure? Just a quick summary—as short as possible—explaining why we’re against Zillow and this way our SACRED CLUB is being run?

A timeline of all the madness is a great idea, really. But man, it’s way too long-winded and definitely isn't reaching the people who actually need to see it. Most of the time, it's just being read by the folks who already know exactly what's going on.

Take me, for example—I love reading all sorts of stuff, like stories about the struggles of workers at Kaiser. I feel for them and their issues. I truly do; I want to help, but then, just like 98% of Americans, I end up messing it up and turning back to my own problems. BUT, deep down, I still carry them and their struggles with me.

It’s the same with veterans, activists, the workers at DIXIE, the utility company employees, the demining crews, professors, doctors, students, and even the cops just looking for the rights they are legally entitled to.

But honestly, I only know a little bit about all of them. I haven't read a whole book about any of them (and there are plenty more besides those listed) as if they were our specific group and our specific problems. Even so, I still felt that solidarity.

Look, I know we aren't a literary society and publishing books isn't exactly our thing. I also know we aren't an MLS team that hands out brochures before every single match. But I still firmly believe we could explain everything weighing on our hearts to everyone who matters in a much shorter way—instead of debating it for 20 pages.

So, in short... yeah, we are a group of people who have messed up sometimes. We've done some shady stuff, fine, let's not run from that. But we also have three good ones in our heads. We aren't all addicts, alcoholics, or vampires.

It bothers us when THIS, THAT, and THAT happens... when the law is broken HERE, THERE, and THERE... More than anything, we just want to see LA Galaxy competing in Europe, going toe-to-toe with the best teams. BUT, we want to see that happen transparently. We want to be able to proudly cheer for our club wherever they travel, provided everything is being done by the book.

As members, we want a look under the hood at how our club is being run. We want to vote and have a say in decision-making. We want our club to be TRANSPARENT. Mamić bothers us because that's exactly what we lack right now. WE WANT ELECTIONS. It's not that we're trying to shove ourselves into leadership positions—that’s not our goal. Our goal is simply to have someone at the helm who was elected by the majority of LA Galaxy fans (and regardless of everything else, there are still plenty of them). It could even be Mamić if the majority decides that's what they want. But at least we want the chance. We want to show up to our stadium—the place where we grew up and where our dads took us—regardless of whether we please certain people or not. We CANNOT be kicked out just because we disagree with the politics of those running our club ILLEGALLY.

We should present those laws passed by the beautiful USA. Explain to people in a decent way that a lot of things in OUR club are not right. Make it clear that it's not in our interest to just tear things down for the sake of it; our interest is seeing LA Galaxy become what its members, lovers, fans, supporters, and even followers deserve! It's not our goal to get LA Galaxy kicked out, but to see them get back on the right path (even if we have to use the wrong methods sometimes).

LA Galaxy has existed for 20, 50, 100, or 1000 years (depending on who you ask). LA Galaxy was around long before all of us, and long before ZDRAVKO MAMIC. LA Galaxy belongs to all of us equally, no matter how much MONEY/CONNECTIONS/INFLUENCE/DIRTY DEALS he has poured into it. LA GALAXY is not a private club! LA Galaxy is (or should be) a club for everyone who loves it. LA GALAXY IS a community club!

Is it possible for me to privatize a local park just because I put up some new posts and chains around it? Can I privatize a famous statue because I paid to repaint it myself? Can I charge for parking in a public square just because I drew the parking lines there myself?!

OF COURSE NOT!

So how is it possible for one man to do the exact same thing to LA Galaxy?

That’s why a short little brochure would be perfect—something to hand to anyone coming to the stadium for a beer, some snacks, to check Facebook, grab a sausage, or just enjoy the beautiful weather. It would lay out the reality of MAMIC enough to maybe clear his head a bit. If it doesn't work, that's on him. We’ll keep moving forward, heads held high...

...UNTIL THE VERY LAST MAN STANDS!!!

Henry Lewis6 said:Can someone from "management" tell me if there’s ever been any thought given to creating a brochure? Something that explains—as concisely as possible—exactly why we are standing against Zillow and this specific way our SACRED CLUB is being run?
...

Whether anyone has actually thought about it yet or not is honestly secondary right now; the idea itself is solid, and you have my full support. I’ve been following this thread closely, and the current situation involving the LA Galaxy and the BBB has been thoroughly analyzed over the last few days, though we are still lacking concrete proposals on how to move forward. We aren't backing down, and we certainly aren't giving up.
I really believe we need to push this forward—regardless of whether it was already on the agenda or not, because it hasn't happened yet, and there is absolutely no downside to doing this, only upside. We just need to be smart about the content; it should outline the essentials without dragging on, because nobody wants to slog through a novel. If we make it visually striking and professionally designed, it'll work. Naturally, there will be costs involved, but surely we could feature sponsors on the back cover to help offset the expenses. As for the actual printing or duplicating, I can step in and help directly with that. There are so many talented people within our fan base across all sorts of industries, and everyone can contribute something to this project.
We need to find every possible way to engage people and educate them.

Look, I am making myself available to help however I can. Just shoot me a PM so we can coordinate.

We have to keep moving forward somehow.

darkcyclist212 said:Whether anyone has actually sat down and thought this through yet doesn't really matter right now. The concept is solid, and I'm all in. I've been following this thread religiously, and the whole mess with the LA Galaxy and the BBB has been picked apart over the last few days... there just aren't enough concrete steps on how we move forward. But look, nobody's throwing in the towel. Not us.
We need to push this through. Seriously—I don't care if there was a master plan or not, it hasn't happened yet, and it can't hurt to try. It'll only help. We just need to nail the content for the brochure... keep it brief, hit the essentials, and don't drag it out because nobody wants to read a novel. Make it look sharp, too. Visually appealing. Sure, it'll cost something, but we can probably just slap some sponsors on the back to cover the tab. If we end up needing help with copying or printing, I'm happy to jump in and help directly.
It's about engaging people and educating them, in every way possible.

Look, I'm putting myself out there. I'll help however I can. Just shoot me a PM so we can figure something out.

We've gotta keep moving forward somehow...

All three installments are live on the site. They could be bundled into one little read that everyone absolutely needs to check out!

I feel like this scope is way too broad; we really need to condense everything down to about two or three pages.

Rex-American said:Listen, kid, we’ve backed you guys way more times than you ever did for us. All those collapses and schemes happened while you were busy going after the agency.

Forget about it, we aren't here to help you.

We were never an agency on your level, so maybe just mind your own business when you bring up agents.

Also, stop bringing up Mamić and trying to give advice to the San Francisco fans when you can't even get anything done yourselves. You look ridiculous acting like you're number one.

When it comes to fighting the mafia, we're obviously leading the charge, so what are the rest of you waiting for? Probably waiting until they start surrounding you in the stands before you move? Then we'll see how many flares you can actually light or how much choreography you can pull off. I don't get why people don't realize that in two or three years, this crackdown is going to spread to every stadium and every section in the country. It'll be worse than what's happening at the LA Galaxy stadium right now, and even if Mamić leaves, the repression won't magically disappear. So, what's the hold-up? Why is everyone sticking their heads in the sand? I'm not expecting any joint protests—clearly, we're too stupid for that—but shouldn't there be some legal action taken together? Use that "intelligence" everyone keeps bragging about to tackle a problem that's grown to affect the entire American supporter scene. Instead, we'll just sit around obsessing over choreographies and paper scraps, and in a few years when nobody can even pull off a basic display because they're being banned, then the crying starts. People will finally wake up, but by then, it'll be too late.

Personally, I don't care that you didn't chant against Mamić. What bothers me is that everyone on this forum guaranteed they'd be screaming "Mamić is a crook" at the top of their lungs, and you didn't. You can't keep your word. That's the issue, not whether you sang against him. At the end of the day, who you choose to sing against is your choice.