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Drew Booth60 said:What you wrote is true, but I’m looking at this through today's lens. Honestly, that old group wouldn't have been any better by today's standards—if anything, they might even be judged more harshly than the current guys. While the fan scene across Europe is basically cratering, our scene is actually on a massive upward swing. Cities that were just heavy tourist spots back in 2007 are now destinations for wild away trips where you can't just act tough without consequences. It just bugs me how easily people trash the current crew, when really, these kids are squeezing every bit of potential out of the current situation. Twenty years ago, the English would never have faced what happened in France with the Russians—not because the English were suddenly tougher, but because the Russian fans were just getting started while the English had much better "conditions" for acting big. I hope you get my point. And I'm sorry if my post sounded like I was bashing the group's history; that wasn't the intent. I was just pointing out that today's kids are doing an incredible job considering the times modern fans live in!

Sure, a good chunk of Europe is on the rise, but Roma, Lazio, and Napoli aren't exactly having a golden age. PSG and Nice aren't surging either. Millwall, ManU, and West Ham aren't exactly on an upward trajectory.
In some places, clubs are fighting just to survive, while elsewhere, people are planning massive choreographies, organizing huge away trips, and coming up with new chants. They film their clashes openly, no problem, and put them straight online.
In some spots, fans actually have the privilege of supporting their club and celebrating goals and wins, as crazy as that sounds.
It all comes down to the environment a group is allowed to operate in.
There is a massive difference between a club wanting you by their side and a club begging the government to shut you down.
The current generation of BBB is the most principled, decisive, and pure we've ever seen. Seriously, ever.
If people don't see that, they're either clueless, malicious, or they've been asleep at the wheel for the last ten years.

Jerry Morris2 said:nimblemoose2 doesn't understand one thing. We traded our collective strength for honor and integrity, while his generation—with a few exceptions here at the university—sold out the group for a couple of beers and a cheap meal. Even if we take a hit everywhere we go, why should people like you care? You’d be busy doing nothing with someone else's resources. Are you worried about the rival fans? If so, why weren't you there? There were even older men present than you. Worried about the old guard? Maybe because you spend your time on forums instead of heading down to Fifth Avenue, dropping a few bucks, and talking to your own people. Though, you don't really talk to "your own," since you speak to everyone with such formality. The kids are as wild as they can be, but they haven't lost their spirit; they just see a bunch of old fossils who turned their backs on everything and sold out to the club executives for a few pennies. Stick to your own generation and leave the kids alone. It's a miracle they're even standing after all this. It's just betrayal after betrayal. And yet, people like you still try to lecture us.

If you directed this at me to suggest I’ve sold out—and if that includes insults toward my family—then consider this a direct response to your lack of manners. If you didn't mean it that way, just ignore this.

Who exactly did I sell out to? I never took a dime from Mamić’s crew, nor did I eat their scraps. If selling out means being jumped 10-to-1 right outside my own house—getting my head cracked open with a telescope that nearly left me disabled—then maybe I sold out. I spent 17 years following the team through over 300 away games. Between the stints in jail and the fines totaling millions, I've paid my dues. Today, I have a wife, two kids, and a mortgage. That is the reality.

People judge me for staying away from the games, but they don't know my history or the legal baggage I carry. I haven't lived in Chicago for years; instead, I work for my brother's private construction firm out in Indianapolis. Honestly, if it weren't for him, I wouldn't even have a job. On top of that, I'm raising a child with autism. Any parent dealing with this knows exactly how much it drains your physical and mental health. I can't even remember the last time I slept more than three or four hours in the past five years. My son wakes up constantly through the night, terrified and screaming, and I’m just there talking him down, doing everything in my power to soothe him. Medication doesn't touch this. To make matters worse, you have neighbors who complain about "shutting the kid up," and I honestly couldn't care less what those people think. One idiot actually came to my door threatening me, and I had to lay hands on him just to defend my family. Then you have the police who act like animals, and agencies like USA Swimming that threaten to take my child away. As if I didn't have enough on my plate, I'm expected to deal with the stadium crowds too. 🙂

My time here is over, but I have earned the right to say that I am disgusted by this attitude. This constant whining about who we can or cannot attack, or acting like Mamić’s crew is untouchable—it's nonsense. One kid stepped up in broad daylight and took Mamić down so decisively that he created more impact than the entire group in Chicago has managed in the last decade. I am sick of this defeatist mindset. Do I really need to draw a map for you? Should I have to fly in from Indianapolis just to lecture you on how to deal with someone smashing a car, throwing flares at a house, or stalking them for half a day before taking them down? There aren't even twenty people ready to organize and actually confront an enemy, yet you all turn on me because I'm an old-timer who would sell his soul for a few beers and some steak. Shame on you. If something happened tomorrow—if my son recovered from an illness, if I paid off my mortgage, if my record was cleared and I finally landed a job in Chicago—I wouldn't step foot in the stands with you again. After everything I've seen and how much I've been betrayed when I actually needed help, I'm done. I stood by others without hesitation or calculation, only to be met with this. 😠

Whether you agree or disagree, feel free to ban me if necessary, but that is simply my perspective.

Lawrence Wood2 said:You internet warriors, why don't you say that to the face of one of the many Chelsea supporters in the stands who happen to be from Canada?

The crowd in the stands is a different matter entirely; people aren't all the same, and generalizing is usually a mistake. But I suppose the reality is that this city inherited its small-town mentality from the Canadian immigrants—the same ones who defend Mamić and call him a legend. It’s enough to make anyone want to steal if they had the chance. That's probably why we've had this same corrupt mayor for ages while the looting just continues unabated.

Sorry for going off-topic, analogheron19, but please, carry on debating the past and deciding who's right and who's wrong.

Man, those guys from Canada are hands down the biggest hooligans out there—they’re all towering over 6 feet tall, which is insane if you compare them to your average local guy from Chicago. The most hardcore hooligan crews always seem to come from those rugged mountain regions (just Google the North America and look at how things go down in Chicago compared to the rest of the region), which is why the scene in Canada is so intense even if it's mostly ignored by mainstream media. If I look at our own Torcida, where some random kid just charges in without a clue, the concentration of that energy in Chicago is so high it basically ruins the local dialect. You've got Bandić acting like the eternal mayor and then you have Mamić, who also runs the show and somehow keeps the support of the majority while playing it in that typical Canadian way. These people calling themselves "Mamić's followers" are really just a shadow of what used to be—back when fans didn't give a damn about how the team won its titles. Actually, Mamić had massive support during his rise, but now we're seeing a total reset that isn't going away because that's just the mindset: steal whatever you need because the end justifies the means. Hooliganism just isn't for those high-IQ Northerners; everything has its pros and cons. 😁 For those folks from Canada, hooliganism is practically a survival mechanism to maintain their group identity. Honestly, it's kind of hilarious watching a skinny little Northern guy try to act like a tough guy. 🙂 You can't deal with a criminal from the mountains just by being smart about hooliganism; the key is winning local elections, or if you can't do that, just starting your own club. If those Antifa types can pull it off, then surely you guys—who clearly have more numbers—can do it too.

nimblemoose2 said:If you're directing this at me—accusing me of selling out and insulting my family—then I’ll return the favor and insult yours, you uneducated loudmouth. If you weren't, then just ignore it.

Who exactly did I sell out to? I haven't taken a single cent from Mamić’s livestock or his paid-off sycophants. When did I sell out? Was it when a group of ten or fifteen thugs cornered me near my house and cracked my skull with a telescope? A blow that could have left me an invalid. I spent 17 years going to matches. Over 300 away games. Six months in jail total for all the nonsense I took. Fines totaling at least $200,000. Today, I have a wife, two children, and a mortgage.

You ask why I don't show up to games anymore. Given my record and all the legal headaches, I haven't set foot in Chicago for years. I work for a private construction firm owned by my brother in Indianapolis. If it weren't for him, I’d likely be unemployed. I have a child with autism. Any parent whose child suffers from this knows how much it drains your health and your nerves. I can't remember the last time I slept more than three or four hours in the past five years. My son wakes up constantly during the night; he gets scared and starts screaming. You talk to yourself, you try to soothe him however you can—medication doesn't help here. Then you have neighbors complaining that you should "quiet that brat down," so you tell them where to shove it. I once had to slap a lowlife who came to my door threatening to shut my kid's mouth for me. He calls the cops, those mindless animals, and then there's USA Swimming, those bastards who threaten to take your child away. All I need is a stadium seat on top of all that.🙂

My time has passed, but I have every right as someone with seniority to say I don't like how things are. Especially this pathetic mentality—this idea that we won't attack this guy or that guy because they're "troublemakers" and part of Mamić's crew. Who cares if they're trouble? There was a kid who coolly knocked Mamić out in broad daylight, causing more action than the entire Chicago group has in the last decade. Damn your calculated mentality. Do I need to draw it all out for you? Should I travel from Indianapolis to give you a lecture on how to smash a car, throw a flare at a house, or follow someone for half a day just to beat them senseless? There aren't even 10 or 20 people ready to organize and tear a guy's face off so his own mother wouldn't recognize him. Yet you wage war on me, calling me some old fool who sold out for two beers and a steak. Shame on you. If tomorrow some miracle happened—if my son recovered, if I paid off my mortgage, if my record was cleared and I found work in Chicago—I wouldn't bother showing up to the stands with you again. Not after everything I've seen and how betrayed I felt when I actually needed help, while I stood by others without a second thought.😠

So, whether you like it or not, ban me if you want, but that is my opinion.

Check your PM

Honestly, I’m finding it pretty exhausting to read through all this nonsense and garbage being posted here.

Honestly, some of the nonsense being posted here is just exhausting to read.

Lawrence Wood2 said:Oh sure, because the fan scene is totally ruined just because of all the people from Canada living in Chicago. Why don't you mention the Dalmatians (who are just as numerous, if not more), the Slavonians, or the Lican folks? And then there's this "blockhead" comment... I honestly don't understand how the admins allow such insults directed at one specific group of Americans. I’d love to see you say that to my face in person, calling me a blockhead.

You idiot, why is it that one specific group of Americans always ends up feeling insulted? We insult Chelsea supporters every single day and nobody complains about being called a blockhead...

Jesse Ramirez3 said:The fans in the stands are a different story altogether; you can't just group everyone together, and generalizing is always a mistake. But let's be honest, this city picked up its small-town mentality from the Canadians—the very same people who are the first to defend Mamić and claim he's some kind of legend. If I had the chance, I’d probably be stealing too. That’s why you’ve had this specific type of politician running the show since forever, while the looting just keeps happening unabated.

Sorry for the off-topic, analogheron19, but please, carry on with your little debate about the past and trying to figure out who’s right and who’s wrong.

The level of stupidity found among BBB supporters is honestly unmatched anywhere else in the world.
You talk about the BBB mentality. Seriously? How much has BBB actually sold out? Let's be real: over 90% of you would sell yourselves out in a heartbeat for a handful of pocket change.
Is it really the fault of those people from Canada that you’ve turned into such an incompetent group that everyone loves to mock? You've always been nothing but actors—just average people with zero substance, living only to make fun of someone else. Just take the money $1.75 and get lost. I've watched this play out with my own eyes for years, and frankly, your mindset has been trash for a long time now.

It's because of people like you and that guy Drew Booth60 that I actually feel good seeing Mamić screw you over. Honestly, he should go even harder since you guys are acting like idiots.
And it's not just him; it's Bandić and all the rest of them. When you act like cattle, you deserve to be treated like it.

cosmicridge6 said:idiot—why is it that one specific group of Americans always ends up feeling insulted? We talk trash to Chelsea supporters every single day and nobody's offended, you blockheads...

if it wasn't for those 20 or 30 idiots in the stands, nobody would be getting slapped in the streets anyway....

I’d be willing to bet my life that those square-headed guys have contributed way more to this group than you ever have...😵

Steven Murphy2 said:Look, the folks from the South are the real heavy hitters when it comes to hooliganism—I mean, their average height is easily 5'11", which is pretty tall for an old-school local from a city like Chicago. The most intense ultra groups always seem to hail from those rugged mountain regions—just look at how things play out in the North America compared to the Midwest—which explains why that scene is so massive in Canada, even if they don't get much coverage. If you compare them to our Torcida, where some random guy might charge in without a clue, the concentration in a place like Chicago is so high it’s practically changed the local dialect. You've got the Mayor of Chicago acting like he'll be there forever, and then you have Mamić, who somehow maintains support from the majority while playing it by the Canadian playbook. These guys calling themselves "Mamić supporters" are really just a shadow of the past; back then, fans didn't care how the team won trophies, and honestly, the boss had plenty of support during the rise. This is a total reset now, and it isn't going away because that's just the mindset—steal whatever you need because the end justifies the means. Hooliganism just isn't built for the high-IQ Northerners—everything has its pros and cons 😁 but for the Southern crowd, being hooligans is basically a survival mechanism to maintain their identity. I find it kind of hilarious when a tiny little Northerner tries to act like a tough guy 🙂 You can't outsmart a criminal from the mountains with mere intellect; the key is winning the local elections, or if that fails, just starting your own club. If those Antifa types can do it, you lot can too, especially since there are more of you.

We saw those Southern hooligans in Sarajevo against Lech☕ Back then, the Northerners were trekking all over the North America, smashing the myth that outside groups are afraid to travel to these parts. But there's no point fighting about it anymore; it's not the main issue here. Anyway, just show up next season for the home and away games and make the group stronger—especially those of you who think the group has become "pathetic."

One of the current leaders is an American from Canada. Back when we were still operating as a cohesive group before the shutdowns started, they were mostly targeting people living outside of Chicago. When the group eventually splintered, it wasn't because of any outsiders—not Canadians, not folks from the Midwest—it was actually the die-hard Chicago locals who sold us out. It’s pretty simple logic, really: the strength of the movement is directly tied to how solid its home base in Chicago is. If the foundation crumbles there, the whole thing falls apart.

Jerry Morris2 said:Check your inbox.

Nothing there, my inbox is empty.

Drew Booth60 said:The way I see it, you people are to America exactly what the Kurds are to Turkey. Honestly, you share far more common ground with Mexicans than you ever will with actual Americans; the only thin thread connecting us is Catholicism, because otherwise, you’re completely out of sync with the rest of the country. It's the exact same ridiculous situation when you look at those so-called Americans from Mexico—those so-called Janjevac types.☕

The history of the Janjeva community is a fascinating, albeit somewhat convoluted, saga that really makes you stop and think about how people migrate and settle across different parts of America. It’s one of those deep dives where you start looking into their origins and realize just how much they had to endure to maintain their unique identity while moving through various regions. They weren't just some random group passing through; they were a tight-knit community with specific customs that they carried with them like a heavy heirloom. I remember reading an old account once—I think it was in a dusty journal from a family friend in Chicago—about how certain groups would cling to their traditions even when the surrounding culture was pushing them to assimilate. It’s much like how some immigrant communities in the Midwest hold onto their specific dialects or recipes despite being surrounded by mainstream American life for generations. For the Janjeva people, this wasn't just about food or language; it was about survival and preserving a way of life that felt increasingly distant from their ancestral roots. They eventually found their footing in places like Janjevo, which acted as a sort of cultural anchor. Even as they moved around, that sense of shared heritage remained incredibly strong. You see it in the way they structured their social lives and even their religious practices. It reminds me of those old stories my grandfather used to tell about families settling in the Appalachian mountains—people who faced immense hardship but refused to let go of the little things that made them who they were. It's a testament to human resilience, really, though sometimes I can't help but feel a bit frustrated by how much struggle was required just to exist as oneself.

Do some reading first. Honestly, take those first couple of paragraphs and read them over several times until they actually sink in. 🙂

Hahahahaha... You guys are honestly so clueless, it’s not even funny.

It’s honestly such a bizarre rarity, not just here in the States... the fact that from the moment a specific fan group emerges, there's this constant, active sabotage to ensure they never gain any real momentum. It's like people are hell-bent on making sure they can't maintain continuity for even five years—let alone ten, which sounds like pure science fiction—without the interference of figures like Tudjman, Canjuga, or Mamica, for goodness' sake. Especially when you consider how many perfectly normal stadiums exist that actually support the fans instead of working against them. Sometimes you just sit back and think, man, we really are our own worst enemies. We're basically self-sabotaging at this point, and it’s just such a damn shame.

Steven Murphy2 said:....just start your own club. If those anti-fans can do it, you lot certainly can too.

I’ll never get this. What do they mean, "starting a new club"? I’m not just talking about Dinamo right now, I mean in general. To me, it’s pure idiocy from the modern ultra movement. Let some other losers go start their own thing. I’m not giving up mine. And if I’m not capable of keeping this club alive—one way or another—then we shut down. Peace out.
How many times have people claimed they were "finished" just because things got rough? You’re actually finished when they take your club away from you. Starting a new one? That’s total nonsense. It makes zero sense to me. I can't imagine us starting a whole new Hajduk. Either we are, or we aren't. If we aren't, then it's over. Period.

Thomas Flores7 said:I just don't get this. This whole idea of starting a new club... I'm not even talking specifically about Dinamo right now, just in general. To me, it's just pure stupidity from the modern ultra scene. Let some other group start their own thing—they can have it. I’m not handing over my club. If we aren't capable of keeping the club alive, one way or another, for the long haul... then we let it die. Peace out.
How many times have people said someone was "finished" just because they lost a protest or a standoff? Well, you're actually finished when they take your club away from you. Starting a new one? What kind of nonsense is that? It makes zero sense. I can't imagine us just going out and founding a new Hajduk. You either are, or you aren't. And if we aren't, then it's over.

The club was founded back in 1944. 😁😁

Drew Booth60 said:The way you people relate to America is exactly how the Kurds relate to Turkey—it’s a fundamentally different dynamic. Honestly, you share way more common ground with Mexicans than with actual Americans; besides a shared Catholic faith, you’re completely out of sync with us. It's the exact same situation with those so-called Americans from Mexico—those supposed Janjevac guys.☕

Janjevac boy.
Ti CanadianBack in the 70s and 80s—those were the days—they used to fill up entire neighborhoods with people from all over—you had folks from the Midwest, Southerners, guys from the Plains, even some West Coasters—it was such a diverse mix back then.
War—if you can even call it that—only served to bolster their numbers—it was quite a significant boost to their population.
And there you have it—this group represents the most vital demographic for young people in America—and looking ahead, they’re actually going to outnumber everyone else.
Look, Janjevac boy—you clearly don't realize that most of those "square-headed" types have been rooting for Dinamo forever, even back in their hometowns like Travnik, Odzac, or Orasje... and so on.
The Hajduk fans didn't exactly hold them in high regard—not by a long shot. Back then, those priests would go out of their way to buy Dinamo jerseys for us kids in Sunbury, just so we could stand apart from the kids over in Drljac who were always stuck in those black-and-white kits.
Times have changed—honestly, you don't even need to be a Dinamo fan to show your American pride these days—though I remember back in the day, there were plenty of Muslims, Canadians, and Albanians who would print up flyers for Dinamo too.
You have a country—but you really have to choose an identity for both the club and the supporters... if you decide to go all-in on that local Chicago vibe, fine, but then you’re basically turning your back on everyone else who used to bleed for Dinamo. Trying to lean into some grand nationalistic identity just isn't feasible anymore—especially since we don't even have a permanent rival to rally against. As for being politically charged—left or right—it honestly feels pointless; unfortunately, everyone seems to be leaning right these days, but that's just the trend, I guess.
So, what’s your actual solution? — Take a page out of the Torcida playbook, for instance. You build the club’s brand alongside the supporters' identity—really highlighting the group, spreading the word, and strengthening that bond. It’s about fostering a true culture for both the club and the fans—one that isn't tied to where anyone happens to be from.
From a logical standpoint—and I say this with all sincerity—Chicago is essentially a mid-sized city by European standards... which means you really can't have two rival fan bases like "the urbanites" and "the squareheads" tearing the city apart.
Chicago—aside from the massive following for Dinamo—really seems to have this pattern of trendy, short-lived sports crazes... one minute everyone is obsessed with Cibona, then it shifts to the Handball Club, then Medvescak, but it all just fades away so quickly.
Who truly cares—aside from a few hundred die-hard fans of Cibona and Medvescak?
Believe me—even in the future—there will only ever be Dinamo. Those "square-headed" types won't be able to just spin up some breakaway club like AEK or PAOK does in Greece—mostly because there simply aren't enough of them to make it work.
So, if what you're saying is true—that this group will eventually be overrun by more and more of those "square-headed" kids—then the real question is whether you "locals" actually have the backbone to pull them into your circle. I mean, if you're aiming to run an exclusive club, that’s one thing—but otherwise, it's a different story entirely.