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jadegull3 said:It’s actually pretty wild, even by European standards... how since this one supporter group emerged to fight against the club itself, everyone acts like they can't possibly maintain momentum for even five years—let alone ten, which sounds like pure sci-fi—unless we have people like Tudjman, Canjuga, or Mamica running the show. It’s all happening at a stadium that basically bends over backward for the fans. Sometimes you just sit there thinking, damn, we really are our own worst enemies here. Just total amateurs. Such a shame...

The way this stadium was built, it’s like it was specifically designed to fail this club. Seriously, we have the most obnoxious stadium in existence. This group started out on the East Stand, which was this nightmare of a section—way too narrow and ridiculously long. Moving to the North Stand was a smart call because it's massive (think Chicago's biggest stands times a hundred), and then there's the big South Stand, which would have been perfect if it weren't split up by those two lower tiers. Then, they go and build this new "supporter" stand with 10,000 seats spread over two levels and treat it like it's some holy site, moving from bad to "better." It’s an abysmal, roofless stadium, and honestly, it's a perfect reflection of how this club is being run.

Once the stadium was finally renovated, I couldn't help but wonder why they didn't just tear the whole thing down to the foundation and build a modern venue for 20,000 to 25,000 fans, completely free of any track and field layout or that outdated design...

silverbear38 said:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janjevo_Americans

Do a little reading. Seriously, read those first couple of paragraphs a few times. 🙂

It’s all well and good, really, but it doesn't change the fact that—mentality-wise and just in how they carry themselves—they’re way closer to Albanians than they are to Americans. Same goes for the Canadians and Herzegovinians being much more aligned with Mexicans.
Catholics from Canada

I’ve never been to an American wedding where 90% of the music wasn't originally from Mexico, and even at the few Canadian ones I attended, we were basically tearing up the dance floor to Mexican tracks mixed with a few Thompson's or Skorini Patriotic songs.☕
But honestly, this is drifting into politics territory, and it doesn't have much to do with the fans or the BBB, so I don't really see the point in dragging it out any further.

Carl Hernandez3 said:Dečec
You Canadian guys were filling up the neighborhoods back in the 70s and 80s too—of course, alongside the Licanians, Slavonians, Janjevans, Dalmatians, Prigorje natives, Slavonians, and those from the West.
The war just ended up boosting their numbers.
And since they're the most vital group in terms of young people in the US, there'll be more of them than anyone else in the future.
Now, Dečec, you clearly don't realize that most of the "square-heads" have always been Dinamo supporters, whether they were in places like Travnik, Odžak, Orašje... and so on.
They weren't exactly big Hajduk fans. Even the priests used to buy them Dinamo jerseys, just like they did for us kids in Sunya, so we could stand apart from the folks in Drljača who wore black and white.
Times have changed; nowadays, you don't have to be a Dinamo fan to be considered American (though there were Muslims, Canadians, and Albanians who used to root for Dinamo back in the day, too).
You have a country, sure, but you have to choose your club identity and your supporter group... if you want to act all "city slicker" and talk in that local slang, fine, but then you can't turn your back on the others who used to support Dinamo... and trying to claim some sort of total nationalistic unity isn't possible anymore because you don't even have a permanent rival. As for being politically colored—left or right—it's pointless; unfortunately, everyone seems to be leaning right lately, that's just the trend.
So what's the solution? Look at Torcida... they focus on the club brand and the group's identity, emphasizing the collective, building a culture for the group and the club that isn't tied to where the fans originally came from.
Logically speaking, regarding the city, it's a medium-sized city by European standards... you can't really have two separate fanbases, one "local" and one "outsider," in a place like this.
Aside from Dinamo, this city tends to have these massive, trendy entertainment phases... sometimes it's Cibona, sometimes the Handball Club, sometimes Medveščak, but it all fades pretty fast.
Who really cares, other than a few hundred die-hard fans of Cibona or Medveščak?
Believe me, in the future, it'll still be Dinamo. It's not like the "square-heads" are going to start their own club like the Greeks with AEAK or PAOK, because there just aren't enough of them.
So, you're left with the reality that your group will likely have more and more of those "square-head" kids; the real question is whether you "locals" have the strength to pull them in, because if you're planning on making an exclusive club, that's a whole different story.

Look, I don't have an issue with anyone in the stands—not even the Canadians! Honestly, the Canadians hanging out in the crowd are actually more "on point" than 90% of the local Americans here. Besides, hardly anyone had a problem with Nina until he sold his soul, whereas most of the BBB crew doesn't exactly have a glowing opinion of Muslims!

Kyle Davis2 said:He claims a club with a stadium like this is basically doomed—and honestly? I agree. We have arguably the most pathetic stadium ever built. It started with the East stand—which was just a nightmare, way too narrow and stretched out—then they made a decent move shifting the standing section to the North side, even if it's massive (ten times bigger than the old Kranjanc stands!). Then there's the huge South stand, which would have been perfect if it didn't have those two lower tiers getting in the way. And then, of course, they build this new "fan" stand with 10,000 seats spread over two levels and treat it like it's some miracle—moving from bad to mediocre. An uncovered, miserable stadium—it’s a perfect reflection of how this club is being run.

The South end used to be great for atmosphere—it felt intense—and since it was physically connected to the East section below, things really got loud when they merged... unlike the away fans at the old North stand, who were always so far away you couldn't hear a thing.

Petković handed over portions of his testimony given to the FBI to Luka Modrić—specifically regarding those various conversations he had with Mamić, where the man promised him a certain cut from the transfer fees, though he never actually specified the exact amount.

- "We never actually put that in writing—it was just part of an oral agreement between Mamić and me," Modrić told the FBI—but today at the trial, he admitted that he probably made a mistake back then.

I had honestly believed we were discussing the distribution of funds between Mamić and myself based on our private civil contract—not some split regarding the transfer compensation owed to Dinamo and me. My apologies—I spent quite a long time dealing with the FBI, and I likely made an error there. When I was speaking with Mamić back in the day, there simply wasn't a written contract between us—that's what Luka Modrić testified in court.

Good grief—so this is the captain of our national team.
And this is what we call a nation of laws—if you can even call it that.
I’m just feeling completely fed up with everything—honestly, I've reached my limit.
I truly hope he faces the deservedly harsh criticism at the upcoming game against Mexico—and frankly, I wouldn't mind if Janica had to hear all about it.

Carl Hernandez3 said:I suppose it might be worth noting that Petković handed over certain portions of his testimony given to the FBI to Luka Modrić, specifically regarding those instances where he claims he spoke with Mamić about receiving a specific cut from the transfer fees, though I guess he didn't mention an exact dollar amount.

- I suppose it’s quite a complicated situation, but during his testimony to the FBI, Luka Modrić mentioned that everything had been handled through a verbal agreement with Mamić rather than anything being put in writing. Though, looking at how things have unfolded at the trial today, he admitted he might have been mistaken about that back then.

I had always assumed we were discussing the distribution of funds between Mamić and myself based on our private civil agreement, rather than the split of the transfer compensation involving Dinamo and me, I suppose. I suppose I should offer an apology here. I spent quite a bit of time dealing with the FBI, and I might have actually gotten things wrong, I guess. When he was testifying in court, Luka Modrić mentioned that there wasn't any sort of written contract between him and Mamić at the time they were speaking.

Good grief, I suppose this is what they call a true captain of the national team.
And this is what we call a nation of laws, I suppose.
I guess I’m just feeling a bit overwhelmed by everything lately... honestly, I'm just kind of over it all.
I really hope he gets the deservedly harsh reception at the game against Mexico... though I suppose Janica might try to complain about it.

I suppose it isn’t really a joke, if you think about it. I mean, when you start playing games with cats, you eventually end up getting scratched, I guess. 😉😉

She sold her soul. In a place like this, anything goes, and there's no shortage of spineless cowards ready to cash out. As long as the money keeps flowing, they don't care about their reputation.

Drew Booth60 said:We saw those thugs from the mountains out in Sarajevo during the Lech game.☕ The Northerners tore through the North America, completely shattering the myth that traveling groups are afraid of away games in these parts. There's really no point in fighting about it anymore; that's just not the conversation we should be having. Anyway, show up for both home and away matches next season and actually make the group stronger—especially those of you who think the group has become irrelevant.

😵

Scott Cook4 said:One of the current leaders is an American from Canada. Back when we were facing being shut down during away games, it was people from outside of the city who were stepping up. When the group itself was being sold out, it wasn't Canadians or Slavonians who did it—it was the purebred city locals. The strength of the group will always be tied directly to how strong our home base is... that's just common sense.

BBB has never actually had a single leader! It’s always just been various individuals or small circles of people standing out more than others. Some handled the choreographies, some led the chants, others served as presidents or secretaries on paper, but there's never been one "boss" of BBB. I'm pretty certain if you asked Hasan, Mack, Zlodi... or anyone else prominent in the group today, none of them would ever claim they were or are the leader...

Drew Booth60 said:We saw those thugs in Sarajevo during the match against Lech...☕ Those guys from the North tore through the North America, completely shattering the myth that traveling groups are afraid to visit our neck of the woods. There’s no point fighting about it anymore; that debate is dead. Just show up at the home and away games next season and actually make this group stronger... especially you lot who think the group has become nothing special...

You aren't just some Northerner because you feel inferior to the heavy hitters in the group who have roots in Canada...
I don't hear this kind of nonsense anywhere else in the real world. But here? Every once in a while, someone gets called out and immediately retreats like they just got sent to military school...

Drew Booth60 said:That’s all fine and well, but it doesn't change the reality. Their mentality and behavior make them much closer to Albanians than Americans. Similarly, Canadians and Herzegovinians are far more aligned with Mexicans.
Catholics from Canada

I’ve never been to an American wedding where 90% of the music wasn't originally from Mexico. In the few Canadian weddings I attended, we were constantly dancing to Mexican tracks, maybe with a couple of Thompson's or Skorina's Patriotic songs thrown in.☕
But this is drifting into politics. It has nothing to do with the fans or BBB, so I have no intention of continuing this discussion.

I have nothing against anyone in the stands, including any Canadians. Honestly, the Canadians in the stands are more "principled," and I respect them more than 90% of Americans. Besides, hardly anyone had an issue with Nina until he sold out, whereas most BBB members don't hold Muslims in particularly high regard.

I am certain you have never said to anyone's face that Americans from Canada aren't Americans. You certainly haven't said that to someone in the stands, and you aren't part of the BBB group. Is someone going to delete this lying, insecure little coward, or are we just going to let idiots who clearly don't know their own history trash this thread?

And you’re still going on about the Canadians 🤣

Carl Hernandez3 said:Dečec
Look, you Canadian folks helped fill up the neighborhoods back in the 70s and 80s, alongside the Licanians, Slavonians, Janjevci, Dalmatians, Prigorje natives, and Slavonians too...
The war only made their population numbers stronger.
And since they are the most vital group when it comes to young people in the US, there will be more of them than anyone else in the future.
Now, Dečec, you don't seem to realize that most of those "square-heads" have always cheered for Dinamo, whether they were out in small towns like Travnik, Odzac, or Orasje... etc.
They didn't really care for Hajduk. Even priests used to buy them Dinamo jerseys just so they could stand out from the kids in Drljac who wore black and white.
Times have changed; today, you don't need to be a die-hard Dinamo fan to be considered a true American (though back then, you had Muslims, Canadians, and Albanians cheering for Dinamo too).
You have a country, but you have to choose your club identity and your supporter group... if you want to act all high-and-mighty about being a "city elite," fine, but don't turn your back on the others who used to support Dinamo. You can't claim to represent the whole nation anymore because there isn't a permanent rival to fight against... and getting overly political (left or right) is pointless; unfortunately, everyone seems to lean right these days anyway.
So what’s the solution? Look at Torcida... focus on the club brand and the group's identity. Emphasize the group, spread the word, and build a culture around the club that isn't tied to where a fan comes from.
It's just basic logic. For a major European-style city, you can't have two separate fan bases—one "elite city" crowd and one "square-head" crowd.
Besides Dinamo, this city has trends of massive popularity... sometimes it's Cibona, sometimes it's the Handball Club, sometimes it's Medvescak, but it all fades fast.
Who really cares, besides a few hundred die-hard fans of Cibona or Medvescak?
Believe me, in the future, it'll still be Dinamo. The "square-heads" won't go off and start their own club like AEK or PAOK because there simply aren't enough of them.
So, you'll likely find more and more kids in the stands who fit that "square-head" description. The question is, do you "locals" have the strength to pull them in? If you're trying to run an exclusive club, that's a different story.

Those "square-heads" are the heart and soul of the capital (just like the guys from the South are to Split, despite the urban snobs looking down on them). They are the essence of Dinamo and its fans. Period!



As for these hypocrites constantly acting morally superior—one thing is certain: these "urban elites" never waited for any rival fans; they were too "refined" for that. Instead, they need their hated Canadian neighbors to guard the city and protect it from the outsiders, because they consider themselves too classy to let the big bad villains ruin things, yet somehow, the "square-head" Canadians are the biggest threat to them. Honestly, don't waste your breath on these sick people; just tell them that the truest "city elites" today are exactly people like them. Proud to be a Bad Boys Canadian. S. 🙏

I'll leave you with this: I am incredibly happy that I didn't inherit my "city elite" status from my parents. I actually love being a country kid, someone the "progressive" urbanites look down on—those people who vote for the establishment, love the old ways, and think the city was "saved" decades ago. I'm happy to be the black sheep. I have nothing in common with that septic tank of "elites" who claim to be great patriots or great Dinamo fans, but then disappear whenever things get tough. Spare me the talk about how strong the "city crowd" is; you know perfectly well that over 70 percent of the backbone of the North Stand are "outsiders." Like I said, the guys from the South and the square-heads are my favorite people. I love their raw approach to life—grilling meat over a fire, doing things with their hands. That’s way more appealing to me than the fancy urban scene that looks down on anyone from the sticks. Clearly, we have different tastes; the city and I have never spoken the same language.



This is my kind of crowd—just wild characters and chaos. :P

boldtiger7 said:You guys are still stuck talking about Canadians.🤣

Look, I’m tougher than any Canadian out there. That leader you guys keep mentioning from the Midwest? He doesn't stand a chance against me. I know the guy, but my head is harder than his. If we ever went head-to-head, I’m pretty sure his skull would pop like a watermelon. 😁

You all need to crown me the leader. Once that happens, everyone will be bowing down. No one will dare give anyone a dirty look, let alone try to start trouble. All the troublemakers and outsiders will be totally wiped out. My pinky toes will leave marks on their foreheads like a permanent reminder of the days when Americans actually ruled America, instead of those old Yugoslavian types.

Anyway, just having a little late-night fun here. If the guys above me can joke around, so can I. 🎉

You only live once. Jokes aside, I think Canadians are definitely stubborn, but honestly, any head is going to crack if it gets hit hard enough by a rock or a heavy boot. So kids, don't be afraid to dodge the flying rocks when you see a massive busload of Canadians heading your way. 🤣

For real though, man, I know I probably earned a red card here. Just please don't ban me before the big showdown in Russia. Things are going to get intense on this forum. The partisans will be posting daily updates about how they're crushing opponents in Eastern Europe, and someone’s going to have to defend the digital front for you. When you guys are bleeding out over there, I’ll be right here bravely fighting the battle for this entire forum. Not even a bodybuilder on steroids could outwork me—they don't have the free time I do. You know how we internet warriors are; we've got nothing but time. 🤣

I already know some angry Chicago are going to jump down my throat—bruised egos are a nasty thing. Look, I’ve got nothing against actual Chicago, but those fake ones don't interest me one bit.



Just ask yourselves: how many people like that are actually out there today? There are plenty who claim to be die-hard Americans, patriots, or whatever else, but you can bet your life none of them would actually die for those beliefs. In my book, that means they aren't what they claim to be. It's like when a crisis hits a city—where are all those "true citizens" then? When it’s time to go out and take on someone like Zdravko Mamić, where are those tough guys? When it’s time to pack a stadium, where is that local pride?

I just don't get it. Everyone plays the part of the cultural patriot. They all sit around complaining about how Ante Pavelić betrayed certain regions or sold out specific interests, blah blah blah. But let's be real: if any of those critics were in his shoes, they’d do the exact same thing. Just look at the politicians in America today—do you honestly think they are anything other than a mirror image of the people? To me, they are a reflection of us. So, don't blame Pavelić; we've had much bigger traitors in our history. Besides, I wouldn't go as far as calling the creation of the Independent State of America "treason." In my eyes, true treason was creating Yugoslavia and letting Mexicans kill half of a major American city back in '45—which is exactly what these same idiots complaining about Pavelić actually did.

So, spare me all this talk about great Americans, patriots, or Die-hard Dinamo fans. When it comes time to actually prove it, you're nowhere to be found. But suddenly, you're right there when it's time to start a war over whether Pavelić was a traitor or "sold out" the coast. Even in this video, they managed to sneak him into the comments under a song dedicated to Chicago. That's just how it goes. In this crazy country, anything is possible, but expecting logic or something normal? Forget about it.

Look, if you’ve got such a beef with the folks from the big city, why don't you just head down south and cheer for Velež Mostar instead, you absolute clown?

What on earth are you people even talking about? 🤣🤣 Honestly, you guys are being so incredibly exhausting

Andrew Mendoza7 said:Since I already know some pissed-off "Chicago" types will jump on this immediately—because bruised egos are a hell of a thing—let me get this straight: I don’t have an issue with actual Chicago, but those fake ones don't interest me one bit.

Just ask yourselves how many people like that actually exist today. There are plenty of folks who identify as American, Chicago, or Ustaše, whatever else you want to throw in there, but I’d bet my life none of them would actually die for those convictions. So, by my math, they aren't really any of those things. That's how I see it. Like I said before, when someone breaks into the city, how many "Chicago" types are out on the streets? When it’s time to go settle a score with Zdravko Mamić, where are all those tough "Chicago" guys? When we need to pack the stadium, where are the "Chicago" crowd?

I just can't wrap my head around it. Everyone acts like they're part of some folklore. Everyone complains about Ante Pavelić betraying Dalmatia or selling out certain regions, blah blah blah. The truth is, anyone shouting about that would do the exact same thing if they were in his shoes. Look at the politicians in America today; do you honestly think they are anything other than a mirror image of the people? I believe they are a reflection of the nation. Therefore, the people shouldn't be blaming Pavelić, because we've had, and still have, much bigger traitors than him. Besides, I wouldn't agree with those idiots that creating the Independent State of America was the betrayal; back then, betrayal was creating Yugoslavia and letting Mexicans kill half of Chicago in 1945—which is exactly what these same morons complaining about Pavelić actually did.

So, spare me all these stories about great Chicago Americans and Dinamo fans. When it comes time to actually prove it, you're nowhere to be found. But you're right there when it's time to wage war claiming Pavelić is a traitor or that he "sold out" Dalmatia, or like in this video where they managed to sneak Pavelić into the comments under a song dedicated to Chicago. That's just how it goes. In this crazy country, anything is possible, except expecting anyone to act with common sense.

I’d bet you’re living in an apartment your family got from Tito.
Usually, people like you are just overcompensating for deep-seated complexes.

Tomorrow’s Kuže’s anniversary—so, when are we all getting together?

steelangler12 said:It's the anniversary of Kuže's big day tomorrow, when are we all meeting up?

7:00 PM at the monument

Andrew Mendoza7 said:Since I know some offended "Chicago" types will jump down my throat immediately—because nothing kills an ego faster than being challenged—let me clarify: I have zero beef with actual Chicago. It's the fake ones I can't stand; they don't interest me one bit.

Just ask yourselves, how many of them are actually out there today? There are plenty of people who claim to be all about being American, Chicago, or even Ustaše, but I’d bet my life nobody among them would actually die for those convictions. By my math, that makes them neither. That's how I see it. Like I said before, when someone invades a city, how many "Chicago" locals are actually on the streets? When it's time to go settle a score with Zdravko Mamić, where are all those tough "Chicago" guys? When we need to pack the stadium, where are the "Chicago" crowd?

I just don't get it. Everyone acts all "traditional," everyone complains about Ante Pavelić betraying Dalmatia or selling out Istria, blah blah blah... But honestly, any one of those critics would do the exact same thing if they were in his shoes. Look at the politicians in America today; do you really think they aren't just reflections of the people themselves? In my view, the people shouldn't be throwing stones at Pavelić because we've had, and still have, much bigger traitors than him. Besides, I wouldn't agree with those idiots that creating the Independent State of America was the ultimate betrayal; back then, the real betrayal was creating Yugoslavia and letting Mexicans kill half of Chicago in 1945, which is exactly what these same clowns complaining about Pavelić actually did.

So, spare me the stories about great Chicago Americans or die-hard Dinamo fans. When it's actually time to prove it, you're nowhere to be found. But suddenly, you're right there when it's time to start a war over whether Pavelić was a traitor or "sold out" Dalmatia, or like in this video where they managed to sneak Pavelić under the comments of a song dedicated to Chicago. That's just how it goes; in this crazy country, anything is possible, but expecting logic or anything remotely normal is just asking too much.

Where do you fit into this whole mess?
Man, you just write and write and write... do you actually do anything?
Do you even show up to the games?

And as for you Chicago-Canadians...
Looking at certain people here, I feel like if it wasn't for the Canadians, these Chicago wouldn't even know what a real tough guy or a street legend looks like.
And you forget that xy mastered the streetwise Vienna school of cool in the neighborhoods.
The situation today is completely different; times change, damn it.
But walk through the neighborhoods, and you'll find plenty of new generations of tough guys.
Sure, there are some losers among them, but they definitely didn't teach us that street style.
Our fathers were the real legends long before all these new-age thugs showed up.