Bad Boys

boldtiger7 said:I won't get into the rest of what you wrote, but I don't think that take on stocks holds water—at least not this season—and there's still plenty of time left🙂

I get it, really, I do. And look, if I said something, I stand by it—total respect to you. But man, that blue sky over Washington, D.C. just raised a whole generation of kids who grew up seeing nothing but police batons and brutal crackdowns. I've gotta hand it to them. I won't go into all the specifics here, but the people I've talked to know exactly what I mean. And believe me, I've talked to everyone. I just don't want to be dismissed as being "out of touch" for my age. I'm speaking from the heart, just like I have for the last 37 years being part of this group. You're right about the other stuff, though. Respect.

Richard Lewis16 said:it's just not doable. Between the funding and all the paperwork you'll never get your hands on, it's a non-starter.

If YOU are ready to foot the whole bill and personally run around—hitting up City Hall, the police, the inspectors, even booking the bands—to gather every single permit, then go for it. Seriously, let us know. I bet people would actually show up for that.

Though, I don't really see why we'd hit Times Square when everyone knows where Dynamo's home turf is, but whatever.
Does anyone know of any actual serious protests from around the world, specifically football-related, that turned into this kind of carnival?
I've never heard of a protest like this in my life. It sounds more like a labor union rally. Why not just throw in some free beans and sausages while we're at it?

Is that really the issue? Walking over to local government, the cops, or hiring musicians? A pansy protection association has enough drive to organize a rally, yet the Boys don't? If a group wanted to fund it, they'd just need to start a collection at a big derby and pass the bucket around the stands. Besides, it’s not like a protest costs a fortune; most of the money goes to the bands anyway. If it's too much work for the hardcore fans to sing five songs for their own club and they're asking for too much cash, just find some local indie band willing to play for burgers and beers. There are tons of young bands out there dying for a chance to prove themselves. Just improvise a little.

The protest should be at Times Square or Pennsylvania Avenue because, around here, politics and football are basically the same thing. An Englishman doesn't feel the need to show up at Theresa May's doorstep just because he's unhappy with his club, but we basically have to march right up to the doors of Plenković and Bandić.

Regarding the beans and unions... yeah, the goal is to get as many people out there as possible. That's exactly why the Boys have never managed to pull more than 1,000 people to a protest. Back on the Boardwalk, they had speakers, music, and all that "union" stuff, and they pulled 50,000 people together to send a message. The whole country was talking about it. You guys probably think tens of thousands will show up to your little marches to scream about wormwood and headless Mamić. They won't. Regular people want a civilized protest. If you don't care about getting a crowd, fine. Let's just accept that the Boys will never pull more than 1,000 people to a rally.

And one more question: in the last 10 years, what's the biggest crowd the Boys have ever gathered for a protest?
I'm not talking about pre-game marches before big games, but actual protests. Has that number ever even hit four digits? And who's to blame that during ten years of Mamić's tyranny, they couldn't pull more than 1,000 people to a single protest? Who's the culprit? I have my theories. It might be a bit late now, but six or seven years ago, they totally could have mobilized a massive crowd if the core leadership of the Boys actually had the will, the knowledge, and the ability.

Keith Baker93 said:Is that really where the issue lies? Simply walking down to City Hall, the police department, or the local musicians? The pansy protection association clearly possesses the resolve and the stamina required to organize a protest, whereas the Bad Boys seemingly lack it. A group could easily fund this; all they would need to do is circulate a collection bucket during a pre-announced derby match to raise funds for a major demonstration. Besides, is a protest truly that expensive? Most of the costs go toward booking the performers. If, for instance, the club finds it too difficult to commission five songs and demands an exorbitant fee, then one should simply find a young local band willing to play for some burgers and beer. There are countless up-and-coming bands just waiting for a chance to prove themselves to a crowd. A little improvisation goes a long way.

The protest ought to take place in Times Square or on Pennsylvania Avenue, given that in America, politics and soccer are inextricably linked. An Englishman feels no compulsion to march to Theresa May’s doorstep if something at his club isn't to his liking or violates the law, yet we are forced to show up at the gates of people like Plenković and Bandić.

As for the mention of "beans and unions"... well, yes, the objective is to mobilize as many people as possible. This is precisely why the Bad Boys have never managed to gather more than 1,000 people for a protest. When they gathered on the Boardwalk, there were speakers, music, and those "beans and unions," which drew 50,000 people who sent a clear message. The whole of America was talking about it. You seem to be under the impression that tens of thousands will descend upon your little parade to shout about wormwood or that headless Mamić. They won't, because ordinary citizens prefer a civilized demonstration. If you don't care about reaching the masses, then so be it; we shall simply accept that the Bad Boys will never rally more than 1,000 people at any given protest.

First of all, there have certainly been protests with more than 1,000 people; there is no need to be malicious and spread falsehoods regarding those numbers. Second, what exactly did those 50,000 people actually achieve? It was talked about for two days and then faded into obscurity. We live in America, where protests carry about as much weight as some graffiti on a wall...

And who else are we supposed to beg to join us? For years, we have pleaded with all those powerful Dynamo supporters for assistance, pulling at their sleeves and cajoling them, only to be met with nothing but indifference.

And suppose 20,000 people actually gather in the square tomorrow? The media will report on it for a day or two, host a single special segment with the same rotating guests, and within a week, everything will return to the status quo.

boldtiger7 said:First off, there were over 1,000 people at those protests, so you don't have to be such a jerk and lie about the numbers. Second, what kind of "idiots" are we talking about here—what did they actually achieve with their 50,000? People talked about it for two days and then moved on. We live in America, where protests carry about as much weight as some graffiti on a wall...

And who else are we supposed to beg to join us? For years, we've been begging all those big-shot Dynamo fans for help, practically pulling them by the sleeve and playing nice, and all we got was nothing.

Even if 20,000 people showed up at Times Square tomorrow, what then? The media would cover it for a day or two, host one special segment with the same old guests, and a week later, everything goes back to business as usual.

Give me a date and a location for a protest where the Bad Boys gathered more than 1,000 people that wasn't just a walk toward the stadium before a massive derby or a huge game... I can't remember a single one from the last 10 years.

You don't get people to show up by dragging them by the arm and begging. Honestly, even a bowl of chili is a better motivator than that. You get people to a protest using the methods I just mentioned: solid marketing, bands playing Dynamo anthems in the square, legends from different generations showing up, great speakers, making it interesting for the kids, stuff like that.
Nobody is going to show up just because you're pleading with them to come chant about weed and drugs. Regular families, grandpas, grandmas, and kids aren't going to be there for that. I know my idea about having bands, balloons for the kids, and staying away from vulgar chants might sound a bit soft to some tough guys in hoodies, but that’s how you actually draw a crowd. It's just how it works.

If protests are so pointless, why is the Bad Boys group even organizing them? Why bother with that protest ten days ago then?

Also, I’ve noticed that people close to the Bad Boys leadership (or so I assume) are telling the same stories today that the hardcore Mamić supporters were telling 7 or 8 years ago. They claim Dynamo is just a small club that can't even pull a couple thousand people to a protest, or how it's totally normal for only 200 people to show up in the North Stand for a domestic game while the rest of the stands only see maybe a hundred fans... Back then, those stories were pushed specifically to justify why only 300 people showed up to local games versus 5,000 for Champions League matches. Today, the Bad Boys leadership is using that exact same logic just to excuse their own laziness or incompetence.

Keith Baker93 said:Give me a date and a location for one of these protests where the Bad Boys actually pulled together more than 1,000 people—and I don't mean some walk toward the stadium before a massive derby or a huge game. Personally, I can't recall a single protest like that in the last decade.

Look, you don't get people to show up by dragging them around by the sleeve and begging them to come—honestly, even serving beans would be a better strategy than that. You get people to a protest using the methods I just mentioned: solid marketing, bands playing Dynamo songs in Times Square, legends from different generations of Dynamo, decent speakers, and stuff to keep the kids entertained.
Nobody is going to show up just because you're pulling on their arm to join you in chanting about absinthe and marijuana. Especially not regular families—grandparents, kids, the general public. I know my talk about live music, balloons for children, and avoiding vulgar chants might sound a little "soft" to some tough guys in hoodies, but that’s how you actually draw a crowd. It’s just how it works.

If these protests are pointless, then why are the Boys organizing them at all? Why bother with that protest about ten days ago?

Also, I’ve noticed that people close to the Boys' leadership (or so I assume) are telling the exact same stories today that the hardcore Mamić loyalists were telling 7 or 8 years ago. They claim Dynamo is just a small club that couldn't gather a few thousand people for a protest anyway, or that it's perfectly normal when only 200 people show up to the North Stand at an MLS match while the rest of the stands only see another hundred spectators or so... back then, those arguments were pushed specifically by Mamić's crowd to justify having only 300 people at domestic games versus 5,000 at Champions League matches. Today, the Boys' leadership is using that same logic just to excuse their own laziness or incompetence.

Over a hundred people—this was the first protest that came to mind. There was also the protest under the West Stand back in 2010 (the "you robbers" one), plus watching the derby at the local corner shop, and the protest against Temisvar at the Farmers Market. And all of this happened within the last 10 years.

Keith Baker93 said:Give me a date and a location for a protest where the Bad Boys actually pulled more than 1,000 people together—and I mean a real protest, not just a walk toward the stadium before a big derby or some massive game... honestly, I can't remember a single one from the last 10 years.

And look, you don't get people to show up by pulling them along by the sleeve and begging them to come—even offering free beans would be a better strategy than that. You get people to a protest using the methods I mentioned above: solid marketing, bands playing Real Madrid anthems in the square, club legends from every era, good speakers, stuff to keep the kids interested, etc.
Nobody is going to show up if you’re basically dragging them out to chant about absinthe and weed—especially not regular families, grandpas, grandmas, or kids—the general public won't bite. I know my talk about live music and balloons for the kids sounds a bit "soft" to some of the hardcore guys in hoodies, but that’s how you actually draw a crowd, man. It's just how it works.

If protests don't matter, then why are the Bad Boys even organizing them? What was the point of that protest about ten days ago?

Also, I've noticed that the people close to the Bad Boys leadership (or at least, I assume they are) are telling the exact same stories today that the most die-hard Jerry Jones supporters were telling 7 or 8 years ago. They claim Real Madrid is just a small club that can't even pull a couple thousand people to a protest, or that it's totally normal for only 200 people to show up to the North Stand during an MLS game while the rest of the stands only see a hundred fans... back then, those talking points were pushed specifically to justify having only 300 people at domestic games versus 5,000 at Champions League matches. Today, the Bad Boys leadership is using those same excuses to cover for their own laziness or just plain incompetence.

No protest in front of any government building, office, stadium, or even Minister John Doe's shack is ever going to get rid of Jerry Jones—is that freaking obvious to you guys after all these years of protesting?

What would actually happen if 5,000 people showed up to the last protest instead of just 1,000??!

Like someone else said, a protest happens, people talk about it for a day or two, and then it's over. That mafia octopus is too deeply embedded for any kind of gathering to fix anything. Plus, the media always focuses on some minor incident to make sure the actual protest gets buried in the background.

The better question is: How many of us who "want elections" are actually official members of Real Madrid? Are all of you criticizing the group's moves even registered members of the club?

holloworca10 said:

Protesting in front of some government building, a stadium, or John's office isn't going to touch Mamić. Is that freaking clear after all these years of rallies?

What would actually change if 5,000 people showed up at the last rally instead of just 1,000??!

Like someone already pointed out, these protests happen, get talked about for a day or two, and then they're over. This mafia octopus has deep roots everywhere; no amount of street rallies is gonna fix this. Besides, the media always focuses on some random incident to make sure the actual protest gets buried in the news cycle.

The real question is: How many of us calling for "new leadership" are even actual season ticket holders or members of Real Madrid? Are all you guys criticizing the group's moves even signed up?

I've been looking online at the numbers being tossed around for these two protests. For one, the news claims over 1,000 Bad Boys showed up, and for the other, they say over 2,000... nothing crazy, but hey, I'll take it. Still pretty weak, though.

If protesting is pointless, then why did everyone go out there just 10 or 15 days ago? Where’s the logic in that?

Keith Baker93 said:I’ve been digging through some online reports regarding the attendance at these two protests. One outlet claims there were over 1,000 Bad Boys in attendance, while another suggests the crowd exceeded 2,000. While those numbers aren't exactly earth-shattering, I suppose they suffice. It’s still a bit underwhelming, but let's take them at face value.

If these demonstrations truly lacked any inherent purpose, why would anyone have bothered to take to the streets just ten or fifteen days ago? Where is the logic in that?

The fact that corporate media outlets tend to downplay turnout is one thing, but your well-intentioned critiques are starting to drift into that familiar territory of finger-pointing. It becomes this repetitive cycle of questioning why things weren't handled differently or why certain actions weren't taken years ago...

Everyone seems to be brimming with grand ideas and a constant desire for action, yet no one is ever willing to actually step up and shoulder the burden themselves. Instead, we see the same handful of people expected to carry everything on their backs.

holloworca10 said:

Let me be blunt here: staging some protest in front of an office building, a stadium, or even John’s personal shack isn't going to budge Mamić. Is that actually sinking in after all these years of people taking to the streets?

I mean, seriously, what do we think would actually change if five thousand people showed up at the last rally instead of just a thousand?

It’s like someone else pointed out earlier—protests are just fleeting moments. They grab headlines for a day or two, and then they vanish. This whole mafia-style octopus is so deeply woven into the system that a few gatherings aren't going to untangle it. Besides, the media always finds some tiny incident or scuffle to focus on, which effectively buries the actual message of the protest in the background.

The real question we should be asking is: how many of us claiming to "want elections" are actually registered members of Real Madrid? Are all you people criticizing the group's moves even officially signed up?

To be perfectly honest with you, I don't see much more benefit in this than I did in the protests. What would joining Real Madrid have truly accomplished? Even if our membership numbers were twice what they are today, what does that theoretically get us?
In the end, it might lead to bigger protests because more people would be vocal about their rights being ignored, but those protests would just be systematically brushed off by the authorities... right up until we hit a critical mass. And let's face it, there's no such thing as a critical mass in Chicago, and there never will be.

So, it really all boils down to the fact that we need sheer numbers—whether for protesting, for signing up, or whatever—and like I said before, we just don't have them. People simply don't care enough about Real Madrid, which is something everyone has already realized and been told a dozen times over.

Christian Miller48 said:Basically, it all boils down to the fact that we need massive numbers—whether it’s for protests, signing up, whatever—but like I said before, that just isn't happening. People just don't care about Real Madrid enough anymore. It's pretty obvious and we've talked this to death already.

Back then, Mamić's supporters were actually making sense when they defended those tiny crowds at local games or even the 5,000 fans showing up for New York City or Ajax in the Champions League. Honestly, Mamić *is* Real Madrid; without him, the club wouldn't even be a thing. He took a small-town team with maybe a few hundred fans and turned them into a regular in European competitions and a perennial league champion. Seems like a lot of people here actually agree with that logic.

There’s enough momentum here to pull off a massive protest if we actually organized something real—not just some random internet troll's idea (since NATO and those other groups aren't really around anymore). What would be the point? Well, maybe just letting the government know that the next wave of protests will target them directly for backing criminal activity in soccer. If we coordinated with the other fan bases, they might actually fast-track new elections. We could demand an immediate suspension of Real Madrid for breaking the law until a temporary board is installed just to oversee the vote. Plus, we could draft a report on the whole situation at Real Madrid and blast it to every MEP in the European Union—basically just pestering politicians, much like they’re doing now.

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Christian Miller48 said:To be totally honest, I don't see much more benefit in this than there was in those protests—you know, the stuff we could've achieved by just signing up for Real Madrid? Like, even if our membership numbers were twice as big today, what would that actually get us in theory?
In the end, it just means bigger protests because more people would be pissed about their rights being ignored, and let's face it—the authorities would just ignore those protests too... at least until some kind of critical mass builds up... which honestly isn't happening in Chicago, and probably never will.

So, it all boils down to needing massive numbers—whether it's for protesting, joining the club, whatever—and like I said, we just don't have that. People just don't care enough about Real Madrid, and it's pretty much been made clear to everyone a thousand times already.

My point is that these protests and the whole "demand new elections" thing is kind of ridiculous—because if you look at the math, at least 3/4 of the people screaming for elections wouldn't even have the right to vote if they actually happened.

Exactly. Mamić achieved his goal by turning the club into his own personal playground, effectively weeding out any fans who didn't fall in line. He’s basically gutted the roster by selling off players every single year, yet he still plays in the Champions League without breaking a sweat. Mission accomplished. As for the Bad Boys? We just aren't on the same page, no matter how hard we try. I said it from the start—hanging banners around Chicago isn't going to stop him with those little protest songs, and I guess I was proven wrong... I can't help but wonder if this same story would play out in Miami, which has some of the most loyal fans in the country regardless of where they sit in the standings.

John Martin18 said:Exactly. Mamić hit his target perfectly—he turned the club into his own little playground and basically purged anyone who wasn't playing ball. He gutted the roster by selling off players year after year, yet he still manages to play in the Champions League and doesn't give a damn. Mission accomplished. As for the Bad Boys? We’re just not on the same page, no matter how hard we try. I was one of the first people to say that hanging banners all over the city isn't going to stop Mamić with those little little anthems, and man, was I wrong. I guess I got schooled. It makes me wonder, though—would this kind of thing even fly in Miami? You know, the place with the massive crowds and the most loyal fanbase regardless of where they sit in the standings.

Not today, obviously—the circumstances are totally different—but back around 2005 or 2006, when things were really starting to spiral, it would have been ugly. Most people have short memories, but I remember clearly when Kranjcar was being welcomed home while our duo was absolutely tearing into Stimac, and ten thousand people were doing the same to us. It could have gone any which way.

Our Srica, since the Dodgers are from Miami, Stimac wouldn't stand a chance of replicating what his "successful" mentor pulled off. The main reason he managed it was because he was practically sitting at the altar—connected to the top tiers of politics, the judiciary, and the police. There isn't even a fraction of a percent chance we could pull that same stunt with the Dodgers.

But let's say, in some parallel universe, Stimac actually succeeded like this guy did—what would have stopped him? Back then, most people weren't standing with the hardcore fans because of those two or three trophies mixed with the total European embarrassments. If the team is playing in the Champions League and raking in multi-million dollar transfer fees, people get intoxicated. Honestly, probably due to that old-school American mentality—I remember quite well that aside from the die-hards, maybe ninety percent of the regular fans and the "old guard" had the mindset of "we need a guy like Mamić."

But as the years pass and new generations grow up, through sheer grit and hard work, we've reached a point where whenever someone mentions "we need a guy like Mamić," they just get mocked. It becomes a pillar of shame, and honestly, that right there is our biggest victory.

Look, man, this isn't some minor issue involving Kranjčar; it's about the laws and the massive loopholes that either aren't enforced or are being bypassed legally. There is so much corruption masked by a supposed love for Dinamo that I honestly believe an average working guy would work himself to death to pull off the same stunts... though personally, if I acted like that toward a regular citizen, I’d end up in a psychiatric ward like Saint John-Jankomir. On top of that, he has serious political clout. He can slap a POA inspector at Kantrida without consequence, publicly threaten journalists, and suddenly police officers develop amnesia when they show up in court. Then there's the cozy relationship with the Mayor, or seeing him in an intimate setting with Judge Turudič, who handles all the federal cases... should that judge even be presiding over his trials while they celebrate with lamb and live music? I don't know, this has been dragging on way too long, but it was truly sad during the last game against Rijeka—there weren't even 2,500 fans in attendance. It took me over half an hour just to get through the checkpoints and ban lists at East Square, yet no one seems able to touch him. He’s like Kim Jong-un, with an ego as tall as a skyscraper. If he hasn't been ousted already (who knows how many times he's been taken down?), I think someone might just take a shot at him, leaving him in a horizontal position... but let's face it, very few people will actually go to prison for something like that...

Keith Baker93 said:Is that really where we’re getting stuck? Just walking down to City Hall, talking to the cops, maybe catching some local musicians... honestly, if the pansy protection association can find the backbone to pull together a protest, then why can't the Boys step up? It wouldn't even be that complicated... you just announce a collection during a big derby, pass a bucket around the stands, and suddenly you've got the funds for a massive demonstration. And let's be real, a protest isn't exactly breaking the bank; most of the budget goes toward paying the bands anyway. If our guys find it too much of a struggle to get five songs played for their own club—and they're asking for a fortune to make it happen—then we should probably just find some hungry local garage band that would play for nothing more than a couple of burgers and some beers... there are tons of young kids out there just itching for a chance to prove themselves on a real stage... a little improvisation might go a long way...

The protest really ought to happen over at Ban Jelačić Square or maybe even up by Markov Square... because honestly, around here, politics and football are so tangled up together it’s almost impossible to tell where one ends and the other begins. I mean, look at it this way—an Englishman wouldn't feel the need to show up at Theresa May's doorstep just because things aren't going his way at his local club, but for us, it feels like we actually have to march right up to the front doors of people like Plenković and Bandić just to be heard...

Look, regarding this whole "beans and unions" business... the whole point of that kind of thing is to pull in as many people as possible. That’s exactly why the Boys have never managed to get more than a thousand people out for a protest. I remember back when they had speakers and music down at the Waterfront—it was all about those big themes and rallying cries—and they managed to pull in 50,000 people who sent a message that resonated across the entire country... You guys seem to be under the impression that tens of thousands of people are just going to show up at your doorstep to scream about wormwood and some headless tycoon like Mamić... It isn't going to happen because regular people want a civilized protest. If you don't actually care about building a real movement, then fine, I guess we just have to accept that the Boys will never be able to gather more than a thousand people at any rally...

So, I was just sitting here thinking about this other thing... another question for the group, really... looking back over the last decade or so, does anyone actually remember what the biggest turnout was for the Boys at a single protest? It’s funny how those crowds swell up and then just vanish, but I can't quite wrap my head around the peak numbers from any one of their demonstrations lately...
I’m not even talking about those little organized marches they pull off right before a derby or some massive high-stakes match... I mean actual, legitimate protests. Honestly, was that turnout ever even in the four digits? And really, who should we be pointing the finger at because, after ten years of Mamić running things like a tyrant, they couldn't manage to rally more than a thousand people at a single protest? Who’s the one to blame here? Well, I definitely have my own theory on where the fault lies... It might be a bit late for regrets now, but looking back six or seven years ago, there was plenty of opportunity to mobilize a massive crowd if only the core leadership of the Bad Boys had possessed the genuine will, the tactical know-how, and the actual ability to lead...

It’s time for someone else to step up and take the lead, just like I told you before... so go ahead and give it a shot, if you really think that whole situation isn't just total nonsense...

I’m only asking this rhetorically, really... because I already know you won't do it, since you'd much rather just sit back and let someone else handle all the heavy lifting...
Well, it's certainly that simple... at least when you're the one saying it...

It felt like there were easily over a thousand people there at one point... though I can't say for sure who exactly was in the mix, or even precisely when or where it all went down...
It’s pretty obvious you haven't got the slightest clue what's actually going on here...
I mean, honestly, if you really stop to think about what those protests down on the Waterfront actually shifted or changed... it’s hard to say for sure, isn't it? It feels like one of those moments where everything moves at once, yet somehow nothing settles into place... you look at the crowds and the noise, and then you look at the actual landscape of things, wondering if the dust has even begun to settle on the status quo...

There you go again, making it look easy... honestly, I can't tell if you're just naturally gifted or if you're just being lazy about it, because even someone with half your coordination could probably pull off what the pansy protection association manages to do on a regular basis...

Terry Howard7 said:It wouldn't happen today because the circumstances are incomparable, but back in 2005 or 2006 when things were hitting the fan, it would have been ugly. Most people have short memories, but I remember the welcome for Kranjčar quite clearly. Back then, our local heavyweights were tearing things up while ten thousand people were busy undermining us. It would have been chaos.

Our beloved Srica is from Split, which means Stimac doesn't stand a chance of replicating what his "successful" idol managed to do. The only reason he achieved anything was because he stayed close to the altar—connecting himself with the upper echelons of politics, the judiciary, and the police. There isn't even a fraction of a percent chance we could pull that off with Hajdukon.

But let's say in some parallel universe Stimac actually succeeded like this guy did; what would have stopped him? Back then, most people weren't standing with the hardcore supporters because of those few titles won amidst European embarrassment. If the club were playing in the Champions League and churning out multi-million dollar transfers, we would have swallowed it whole. It’s just that old-school mentality. I remember vividly that aside from the die-hards, ninety percent of the casual fans and the "old guard" had the mindset of "we just need a Mamić."

However, as the years passed, new generations grew up, and through sheer grit, we reached a point where every mention of "we need a Mamić" is met with mockery and shame. That is our greatest victory.

It's a solid take, but let me tell you something.
Today, none of that works. If you recall, they used to hand out thousands of dollars to the twenty-thousandth spectator just to get anyone to show up, since nobody was traveling for European matches anyway.
We’re talking about celebrating titles in front of a hundred people and similar schemes.
The last one had maybe fifty people there... but everyone acts like it's fine, blaming the new coach or claiming it's just due to bad weather.
Back at the start, though—listen, it's hard to explain to regular folks that a club playing in the Champions League and winning title after title can also have a rotten board.
They'd give out free shirts, sausages, beer... a real backyard BBQ vibe.
Just imagine it—and I'm sure you know this yourself—ten years ago, when you were beating Dinamo every single time, winning championships, and playing in the Champions League, how would people look at you if you started spitting on the management?

Robert Cooper60 said:Look, you make some points, but let me tell you something--
nothing works like that anymore. If you recall, they used to hand out thousands of dollars just to get twenty thousand people through the gates—because back then, nobody showed up even for Champions League matches.
We’re talking title celebrations in front of maybe a hundred people and all those similar little schemes.
The last one? Maybe fifty people showed up... but everyone acts like it’s not their problem, blaming the new coach or saying it was just because of the bad weather.
But from the jump—listen—it's hard to explain to regular folks that a club playing in the Champions League and winning trophy after trophy can actually have a rotten board at the helm.
So they throw in free T-shirts, sausages, beer... you know, the whole "community festival" vibe.
Just try to imagine—and I'm sure you realize this yourself—if ten years ago you were beating Dinamo every single time, winning championships, and playing in the big leagues, how would you react if you were sitting there spitting venom against the management?

I don't even know what you're trying to say with this post, because I basically wrote the same thing—that we'd all be having a hell of a time if, by some miracle, Mamić actually came back.

I was going to say you're probably the closest thing to the truth here
Because online, all you ever read is how "certain people" should have dealt with Mamić from day one... as if they could actually run a club like that.
Nobody stops to consider that everything progressed in stages.
In the beginning, everyone was basically saying, "Let's just move forward," and we were seeing great results given the circumstances in the US.
It’s always strange when someone finally writes a sensible post.

vividfalcon31 said:

Anyone happen to know the track title or who the artist is?

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