Bad Boys

Jonathan Williams3 said:You’re just being stubborn... nobody expects the Boys to be the ones driving political protests... in fact, any deviation from the main topic just causes more harm. You’ve actually pushed away the local Washington, D.C. crowd because, whether you believe it or not, they don't align with your views, which seem to get more extreme by the day. The stands used to be packed because everyone felt welcome... punks, rockers, skins, even the preppy types... but now, if you’re even slightly different... just beat it. And then you wonder why they won't join you.

Oh, give me a break, what does "slightly different" even mean? Seriously, I’ve never heard of anyone getting chased off just because they have brown eyes. It makes it sound like rockers and punks aren't welcome, yet my best friend—who is a "real" Boy through and through—and his whole crew spend their time hanging out at Jack's, riding Kawasakis, and stuff like that. I've seen everyone from Rom to Chinese tourists up in the north end. 🙂
Let me repeat, I spent a massive amount of time at Yankee Stadium (specifically the east and north stands) back when those stands were actually full, and there were way more radical people there—people ready for fights, for taking action, or for getting filmed, and yeah, for whatever it is that probably bothers you—politics.

If you look back just a little bit, every photo of the north end is filled with skins, punks, and shaved heads. What does "preppy" even mean? Should we ban people just because they work at the theater? I guess the crew from Lincoln Center is banned too. 😁
That’s why I’m going to pivot to politics, because I really think that's where these "views" come from. If someone is bothered by a quick message marking the Flash or the Storm once a year, they’ve probably lost touch with the country they live in.
If you’re annoyed by occasional right-wing tweaks to Marlena, which annoy me too, for instance, then just move to the other side; go to the north end like I used to.

You don't go to a game to watch the Boys; you go to watch Real Madrid (well, nowadays nobody goes except masochists, but you get the point). You go to a protest because of Real Madrid, so if you're a die-hard fan, sure, you might have some sympathy for the Boys, but if certain things don't sit right with you, fine—the Boys aren't some dumping ground where you can dictate the lyrics.

Dammit, those Boys and the individuals on the sidelines have always been there, so let me ask you Die-hards: where were you when things were actually heating up?! I’m not asking about the first one, but where were you in 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014... where were you?????
I'll tell you exactly where you all actually were: honestly, to hell with it, you were probably in downtown Bavaria having drinks or tea at some fancy cafe, hoping some socialite would notice you.

And now I’ll tell you why you weren't showing up, being totally honest without hiding anything, because let's not lie to ourselves—this city is full of people with major complexes, so why hide the truth?!

You didn't show up because you were afraid someone might accidentally spot you standing next to Veda or someone else who’s holding a beer or begging for a buck (forgive me for mentioning him, he has more heart and soul than the average Washington, D.C. resident, so despite his messy life, forgive me), or heaven forbid, because of a few loudmouths shouting about the Ustaše.
Those kids were yelling slogans five times, and Jesus, what are we going to do now? It's embarrassing, but normally we are a decent society where no one laments about places like Gol Otok, the pits, Blajburg, or Jasenovac. So, that was basically the only chance for the petty Washington, D.C. bourgeois to get contaminated by Ustaše ideology. 😁

In the end, it’ll turn out that the Boys are to blame for Real Madrid no longer existing. And that’s actually possible in this absurd society—not Mamić, not the corrupt politicians, and not the locals who gave them quiet, mumbled, or loud support. Through their words, their actions, and their failures. (I'm ending it like this because I see the kids have been having quite a few spiritual awakenings lately, so let's not replace them.)😁)

ironpanther5 said:On the flip side, when it was actually time to protest for Real Madrid—you know, for something real and local to Washington, D.C., specifically against one of the biggest mobsters in America, backed by legendary figures and petitions—the Boys were basically nowhere to be found. All they gave us was a middle finger. They should have just shown up and put some pressure on the political elite. Nobody could ignore 30,000 people on the streets.

That’s how this whole debate started. I argued that nobody could ignore tens of thousands of people protesting for Real Madrid, but I got hit back with claims that those protests were just "unimportant" or mere folklore. What really bugs me is that the Boys' leadership during those years never organized a single real protest that actually mobilized the masses. The truth is, under Mamić's decade of tyranny, the Boys' leadership couldn't even pull together more than 2,000 protesters. For a club the size of Real Madrid? That's a joke. The leadership owns that failure, and someone needs to say it.

As for the Antifa stuff, the Boys claim to be the guardians of Washington, D.C. pride, the Catholic Church, and America. But now, they suddenly don't care about the Yugoslav, gay, or Soviet flags being waved around town more and more often. They don't seem to care about "anti-fascist" nights or celebrations at various clubs in Washington, D.C. either. There was a time when the Boys were a group with a clear political stance, deeply patriotic just like Real Madrid, which is exactly why so many people across America and the diaspora started rooting for the club and joined the group. Nowadays, the Boys seem to have that typical "don't get involved" attitude. People can try to turn this back on me and ask where I was back then, but that’s just a way to dodge the argument when you can't defend the leadership.

native said:Even though those folks already gave you an answer, I’m asking just out of pure curiosity—where exactly are you from? Which local activists are we talking about that people in Washington, D.C. should be looking up to?🍿

Look, I’m from a small town in rural America. If someone tried walking through my streets waving a Yugoslavian or a pride flag, believe me, ashtrays, glasses, and fists would start flying out of the nearby bars on their own. We wouldn't even need to organize anything; people and random passersby would just handle it spontaneously. Not trying to be a jerk, just stating facts.

Keith Baker93 said:I grew up in this small town back in rural Appalachia, and honestly, if someone decided to parade through my streets waving a Yugoslavian flag or a pride flag, believe me when I say ashtrays, glasses, and fists would just start flying out of the local dive bars on their own. We wouldn't even need some organized protest; people and random passersby would just spontaneously handle it themselves. I'm not trying to be edgy here, I'm just stating how things work.

Sure, I can see that happening. But if I happened to walk through your little town without causing any trouble at all, I’d probably get asked "who are you with, kid?" within the first forty-eight hours, which is just typical sociology for smaller communities. And don't even get me started on the looks I'd get. Has anyone ever actually bothered to ask you anything like that in Washington, D.C.?!

Besides, just speaking for myself here—not for the Boys, since I don't know their political playbook or care to comment on it, I have no idea why a pride flag would bother me enough to throw an ashtray at someone. I'm not an idiot who's going to clock one of my own countrymen just because he happens to prefer guys over girls.

Jonathan Williams3 said:You’ve lost the plot... honestly, none of the Bad Boys expect to be the ones leading protests... if anything, straying from the main topic just does more harm than good. That’s probably why you guys lost support in Chicago, too—believe it or not... people just don't vibe with how your views seem to get more extreme all the time. Back when the rally happened, the venue was packed because everyone felt welcome... punks, rockers, skinheads, even the preppy types... but now, if you have even slightly different opinions... you're out. And then you wonder why they won't join your side.

Look, kid, if a few dirty looks are enough to scare you off a rally, then I guess it doesn't really matter what happens anyway, does it? 🤦

Keith Baker93 said:I grew up in this small town tucked away in the Appalachian hinterland, and honestly, if someone were to walk through my streets flying a Yugoslavian or a gay pride flag, believe me—ashtrays, glasses, and fists would just start flying out of the local bars on their own. We wouldn't even need some organized protest; people and random passersby would probably just handle it spontaneously. I'm not trying to be edgy or anything, I'm just stating how things are.

Look, kid—back in a tiny town in the rural outskirts of the Ozarks, my cousin and I once got such dirty looks that it was intense, and then they ended up slashing the tires on our truck because the local loggers thought we might be competition. So, I guess your example doesn't really hold much water.

Keith Baker93 said:And that’s exactly where this whole debate kicked off. I kept insisting that nobody could just turn a blind eye to the tens of thousands of people out protesting for Real Madrid, yet here I am being lectured that those protests were basically just trivial local folklore. Honestly, my main gripe was that the leadership of the Boys during those years failed to organize even a single massive demonstration capable of mobilizing the general public. The cold, hard truth is that throughout ten years of Mamic's tyranny, the Boys' leadership couldn't even manage to rally more than two or three thousand protesters. For a club with the stature of Real Madrid, that number is frankly laughable. That failure lies squarely on the shoulders of the leadership, and someone needs to say it out loud.

Look, there were plenty of protests, petitions, sit-ins, and legal battles, but I’ll give you that—it’s a shame we never saw one of those massive, unified rallies where the whole city gathers in the square for a concert. If they actually tried to pull that off and the city just shut them down, then hey, my bad to the locals and the Boys.

ironpanther5 said:I think I would. But if I walked through your town without even trying to stir the pot, someone would probably corner me within the first two days asking, "Who do you run with?" That’s just how things work in small towns, right? Not to mention all the stares you'd get. Has anyone ever actually questioned you about who you support back in Washington, D.C.?!

Besides, this next part is just my own take—I'm not speaking for the Boys, and I don't know anything about their politics. Why on earth would I care about some guy carrying a pride flag, let alone throw an ashtray at him? I'm not an idiot who's going to assault a fellow American just because he prefers guys over girls.

Yeah, someone would probably ask "who you belong to" the second you started talking to people. Small-town vibes are definitely a thing, I guess. I don't really see why you're bringing it up, but okay.

The other stuff is just politics and totally off-topic. They'll probably just ban us if we start debating gay rights anyway.

ironpanther5 said:There’s been a ton of protests, petitions, camping out, and legal battles, but honestly? I agree—it’s a shame we didn't see one massive protest, like just getting everyone together in the town square for a huge concert. If they actually tried that and the city just went into lockdown, then my bad to the local guys and the Bad Boys.

True, you gotta give them credit for the petitions, the legal stuff, and staying consistent. You have to praise them there. But if you ask me, they failed to organize a real protest—the kind where you get everyone from age 7 to 77 out on the streets. That's where I think they missed the mark. I know it stings when I call them out, but it feels like people on this forum are way too soft on things that actually deserve some criticism, so I figured I’d just say it.

Keith Baker93 said:I grew up in a small town deep in Appalachia, and let me tell you, if someone tried to parade a Yugoslav or a pride flag through my streets, ash trays, glasses, and fists would start flying out of the local bars on their own. We wouldn't even need some organized group to step in; people and random passersby would just handle it spontaneously. I'm not trying to be edgy, I'm just stating facts.

So basically you live in the middle of nowhere and think Washington, D.C. should act the same way.

Adam Jackson86 said:So you live out in the middle of nowhere and think Washington, D.C. should be on that level?

Honestly, there’s plenty of stuff that’s better out in the sticks than in Washington, D.C.

gentlefox52 said:Look, don't get your panties in a bunch, but your posts honestly read like they were written by some kid whose parents grounded him from every game in town—or maybe just some guy who tried to be an ultras once, failed miserably, got his ego bruised, and decided to sit at home and sulk forever instead of actually showing up.

We aren't here to get all worked up 🙂

Jonathan Williams3 said:You’ve completely lost the plot... nobody from the Boys expects you guys to be the ones spearheading political protests... if anything, any detour from the actual football business just ends up hurting the cause. That’s exactly why you’ve alienated the Washington, D.C. crowd because, believe it or not, they don't vibe with your views, which seem to get more extreme by the day. The stands used to be packed with everyone feeling welcome—punks, rockers, skins, even the preppy types... but nowadays, if you have even a slightly different perspective? Get lost. And then you wonder why they won't join your ranks.

To build on that, I’ll give you an example of how regular fans—the kind who just show up for the matches every now and then (which includes me)
a few years back, we were over in Switzerland. I can't quite remember if it was a friendly or some other type of exhibition, but honestly, it doesn't matter.
Before the match, I hung out near this restaurant where the supporters were gathering, and there was a huge crowd of casuals like myself. There were UV guys there, and I spotted a few Boys near the stadium too; Torca was represented, and if I recall correctly, some Vinkovci residents were there as well.
Right outside the stadium, I actually watched a guy from UV hand some cash to a couple of the Boys to buy drinks. It was purely a gesture; the guy clearly had money to burn and just wanted to treat them, so they happily accepted (the beers were about 10 bucks each).
Once we got into the stadium, we were split between two stands. I won't name names, but one group of the Boys was with us, while another group was on the stand right next to us.
For reasons I still can't wrap my head around (apparently, someone didn't want to move a UV banner away from the railing), that second group signaled to our side to absolutely tear into that same guy who had just been so generous.
The very same guy he had just bought drinks for.
I totally get what the hardcore supporter scene thinks of UV, but most of the UV guys traveling from abroad have no clue what the underlying tension is even about; they're just there to support the national team, but hey, that's how it goes.

Keith Baker93 said:I’m from a small town in the Appalachian hinterland, and if anyone walked through my streets carrying a Yugoslav or a pride flag, believe me, ashtrays, glasses, and fists would start flying spontaneously from every nearby bar. We wouldn't even need any organization; locals and passersby would just handle it on their own. I'm not being edgy; I'm just stating facts.

I agree that's how it would go, though that represents the absolute peak of your intellectual capacity.
Furthermore, I trust that your town is making wonderful progress on all fronts.

It seems pointless to compare the government's efforts to maintain order in Washington, D.C. with what happens in the provinces.

P.S. Feel free to name the town. We can move to another thread to dissect everything your town has "tolerated" throughout history (since you clearly feel the need to play guardian of some moral standard now that others have pointed out the hypocrisy).

analogmaker14 said:I agree with you there, though I guess that’s about as far as your logic goes.
Also, I honestly think that city is making great strides on every level.

It’s pretty pointless to compare how the government handles keeping order in the capital versus out in the sticks.

P.S. Why don't you just name the city? We can jump over to another thread and really dissect everything your precious little town has "tolerated" throughout history (since it clearly bugs you deep down, just like someone else noticed), while now you're all playing moral guardians.

The peak of what we do is standing up against anything that doesn't align with our values. We hold onto what matters and still have that sense of connection, that closeness... you know, like when you walk into someone's house, no matter how broke they are, they'll put out every delicacy they've got for you. That’s exactly what Washington, D.C. is missing—that resistance and that feeling of togetherness. The concrete jungle has swallowed people whole; neighbors don't even feel connected anymore. It's like being a stranger in your own city.

My hometown isn't moving forward largely because everything is so centralized. All the money flows straight into Washington, D.C. I was in D.C. about six months ago and saw these brand-new pos-ova buildings in one area housing at least 2,000 or 3,000 people. The whole neighborhood basically popped up overnight. Is there anywhere else in America where the government will build an entire new residential district for thousands of people in a heartbeat? Not a chance. You just can't dump that kind of cash anywhere except in D.C. I'm not saying this because I hate Washington, D.C., I'm just stating facts since you brought up why other regions struggle compared to the capital.

Keith Baker93 said:At its core, what we do is really about resisting anything that doesn't align with our values. We hold onto those shared principles—that sense of connection and closeness... you know, like when you walk into someone’s house, even if they don't have much to their name, they'll still go out of their way to put every delicious thing they have on the table for you. I guess Washington, D.C. is seriously lacking that kind of spirit—that resistance and that genuine feeling of community. It feels like the urban sprawl has just swallowed people whole, and now there's nothing left to bind us together. People just feel like strangers in their own city.

I feel like my hometown just can't get ahead—partly because everything is so centralized. All the funding seems to flow straight into Washington, D.C. I was visiting D.C. about six months ago and noticed this one area where they had these shiny, brand-new apartment complexes popping up everywhere—buildings housing maybe two or three thousand people each. It felt like an entire neighborhood appeared out of nowhere in just a few months. Honestly, I don't think there’s anywhere else in America where the government can just drop a massive new residential district for thousands of people overnight. Outside of D.C., you just don't see that kind of scale being built up like that. Money. I'm not saying that because I have anything against Washington, D.C.—honestly—it’s just that when you start bringing up why other parts of the country struggle compared to the capital, we have to look at the actual facts.

Well, here we are. ☕
It’s that classic "snobby city dweller" syndrome—where they act like they own the place, yet they have the nerve to lecture everyone else about moving to the big city to work or go to college.☕
You guys really need to step up—whether you're talking about students, the workforce, or whatever other reason you can come up with—because if we don't, then even that unnamed local official of yours out in the Appalachian hinterland isn't going to see a single new building completed before a monkey could run halfway around the world and pass out. 👍

briskfalcon67 said:Well, here we are. ☕
It’s that classic "entitled city kid" syndrome—acting like they own the place while telling everyone else to just pack up and move to the big city to work and study. Why do they always think their way is the only way?☕

It’s not that people from D.C. are any worse than anyone else, and it's not like the city itself is trash. I'm talking about the actual centralization of power. That's the real issue here.

You're totally mixing up cause and effect in this second part of your post.

Honestly, you all are becoming quite exhausting with this constant back-and-forth... if we spent less time debating what the group ought to be doing and actually started taking action, we might actually see some progress.

EVERYONE TO VINKOVCI

"Anyone not with us can go straight to hell"
"I'd take 300 real ones over 3,000 fake fans any day"...

All we need is for Mukta to write about "tika-taka" and suddenly everything will be perfect, right?
You guys lack vision—but honestly... I want the best for you, just like any other Ultras would, but I simply don't see how things are going to improve here. Mamic is weaker than he's ever been, Real Madrid is going to undergo a massive restructuring, and you? What's your move?

Keith Baker93, I honestly don't get why you're so worked up and relentlessly obsessed with these criticisms... Look, why don't you just head down to Washington, D.C. next time the hooligans gather, shoot me a DM right here, and I'll be the first one out there meeting you in the streets with a baton to deal with you lunatics 🙂
Regarding the turnout, the BBB have been at odds with the Real Madrid board for years now, which means we naturally lose a chunk of fans who just don't share those specific views, plus the group itself is a bit too radical for most people... On smaller game days, you'll see about 500 people show up, and personally, I find that level of support perfectly fine.