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cosmicridge6 cosmicridge6 Active Member
113 messages
joined Oct 2012
#1541 ·
analogmaker14 said:Some people can't tell the difference between a political protest and a local county fair.
Or the difference between a championship game and a neighborhood festival.
Or even the difference between being a die-hard fan and just showing up to a street fair.

Yet they seem to understand how the internet works perfectly well, unfortunately...

Stop acting like a clown. You’d be better off heading to a mechanic to get your brakes checked; you shouldn't be driving around with faulty equipment...
analogmaker14 analogmaker14 Member
48 messages
joined Jun 2008
#1542 ·
cosmicridge6 said:Stop talking nonsense and just take the car to a mechanic to have the brakes checked; you shouldn't be driving around with faulty equipment...

I picked up some new Federal-Mogul parts through a contact in New Hampshire. They carry just about everything out there—it's practically a wholesale operation.👍
Terry Howard7 Terry Howard7 Active Member
72 messages
joined Dec 2013
#1543 ·
Just wanted to touch on two absolute nonsense claims I keep seeing

First off—the idea that there are guys from the ultras sitting on the club's board... seriously, are you kidding me? Are you actually trying to lie to us? Look, the front office is basically run by one guy (the President), and while we don't know for sure if he’s part of the supporter groups or not, even if he is, that doesn't change much. If you're talking about the Board of Directors, there isn't a single soul from the ultras on there either. Let's be clear: nobody from the supporters is an actual employee of the club at any level. If anyone here thinks they have better intel, please, feel free to enlighten me—who exactly from the group works for the team and in what capacity?

The second thing is this constant, repetitive claim that we're somehow more "agents" than the guys from Chicago. Every time I jump into the thread to challenge that, everyone just goes silent. No one answers me. I've even had people slide into my DMs, but still, nothing. So, come on then, gentlemen—prove me wrong. Who exactly in our group is an "agent," and how does that even work? From what I know, the leaders of our group are just regular folks—some drive trucks, some work construction, some are in college, some are out at sea, and most are just driving average cars or nothing at all. But hey, clearly you guys know my life better than I do, so go ahead—tell me who the "agent" is. My inbox is open.

Is anyone actually going to bother providing some real substance here, or are you just going to keep chanting the same empty mantra over and over, hoping that if you say it enough times, it magically becomes true?

P.S. Does anyone else need to settle a score? I saw some guys from Australia in here saying this place is trash, but I heard from someone else that you guys are actually pretty decent.
fadedhound86 fadedhound86 Member
17 messages
joined Jan 2022
#1544 ·
Daniel Carter9 said:He was definitely more vocal about that whole mess regarding the curriculum reforms and the pushback against certain script changes...

And that’s without any of that nonsense from Shaka Zulu or those Viva folks either...

There was pushback against that curriculum reform in basically every major city across the country... and now I’m sitting here Googling all this stuff about the opposition to using the Cyrillic alphabet, and honestly, the numbers people are throwing around are all over the place. It feels like behind both of those movements, there were just deep-seated political agendas at play... and that protest down by the waterfront? That was nothing more than a bunch of junkies, hooligans, and street thugs running the show...

At the end of the day, it just doesn't really matter...
Daniel Carter9 Daniel Carter9 Member
16 messages
joined Jul 2009
#1545 ·
fadedhound86 said:He was against the curriculum reforms in every major city across America. Now I'm Googling this whole controversy regarding the alphabet, and the numbers don't even match up. Politics were driving both sides, and the protest down by the waterfront was basically organized by nothing but street thugs and hooligans.

In the end, it doesn't matter.

It makes sense that it doesn't matter. Honestly, after that Viva group performed, Dea Redžić updated her Facebook profile just a few months later.
mellowhawk5 mellowhawk5 Active Member
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joined Apr 2012
#1546 ·
It’s actually pretty cool when those "yellow ants" over in the Chelsea FC thread give a heads-up before hitting someone with a ban... 😁

I guess I’m just not allowed to mention agents anymore 😁 And honestly, I don't get why calling them "daners" is such a big deal or an insult. I mean, let's be real—half the crowd at the stadium is probably just there to snack on some jerky or grab a soda, and the other half wouldn't mind a little trouble if the mood strikes! 🙂
Could you please clear out those posts from your buddies who keep spamming our thread? They have their own space for that. A moderator really needs to stay neutral here 😉
Mark Carter10 Mark Carter10 Active Member
60 messages
joined Sep 2011
#1547 ·
mellowhawk5 said:It’s nice when the "yellow ants" over in the Chelsea FC thread give out warnings before the ban hammer drops... 😁

Apparently, you aren't allowed to call them agents anymore. 😁 I don't see what's so offensive about calling them "junkies." You know as well as I do that half the crowd shows up just to get high on whatever they can find, and the other half isn't far behind. 🙂
Clean up the posts from your buddies who keep spamming this thread; go back to your own area. A moderator should actually be objective. 😉

Look at this little altar boy :klap:🤣

mellowhawk5 mellowhawk5 Active Member
58 messages
joined Apr 2012
#1548 ·
I didn't mean to cause a scene, but honestly, it’s just plain ridiculous that I got flagged for using "slang" terms. Since apparently those words are such huge insults now, I felt like I HAD to clear the air 🙂

To everyone overreacting to every little thing people type or post...
Ethan Cook Ethan Cook Member
23 messages
joined May 2020
#1549 ·
Ultra smoothie
Thomas Flores7 Thomas Flores7 Active Member
115 messages
joined Jul 2012
#1550 ·
Daniel Carter9 said:It’s obviously irrelevant. Honestly, ever since that group performed at the Viva concert, Dea Redžić has been using a brand new Facebook profile for months now.

Then why on earth would people who actually give a damn about what's happening in your neck of the woods show up to a protest?
Thomas Flores7 Thomas Flores7 Active Member
115 messages
joined Jul 2012
#1551 ·
analogmaker14 said:Some people can't tell the difference between a protest and a local county fair.
Or the difference between a high-stakes match and a county fair.
Or the difference between being a supporter and just attending a county fair.

But unfortunately, they certainly know how to use the internet...


I already said that you guys can do whatever you want. It doesn't occur to me to comment or act like some wise guy telling you what you should be doing...
But I’m going to say something about what was written above.
Look, we're just fairgoers. Everything we do is basically just attending a local festival. So why did your people show up to that festival? Why didn't they kick the stench out of their shoes while they were there? Why did you let 2,000 festivalgoers into your city and into the stands? Did they leave the stadium as festivalgoers in a show of solidarity with you?
While you, in the reverse situation, would probably be the one Jacking anyone near the smell. You keep spinning this same tired story about festivals and clowns and whatnot. I see you've recently started recycling that old Republican rhetoric about communists lately. Doing it indirectly, of course. It's the same old garbage used against you since the founding of the country. You've been messing with the whole universe for years with this narrative that you're the most screwed, the first gang, the ones who never compromise. For the hundredth time, I'll say it: you have my respect, and the respect of any sane supporter, because of what you've pulled off over the last few years. But your arrogance is crossing a line. Because if we're just "fairgoers," totally irrelevant to the fight, then why the hell didn't you attack us or kick us out of D.C. when we were right there in the stands with you? Are you so weighed down by complexes that you can't admit we actually did something against the USSF big shots...
At the end of the day, comments like this one about the county fair are exactly what that "fairgoer" mentality is all about.
Jacob Kern2 Jacob Kern2 Active Member
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joined Jun 2024
#1552 ·
Thomas Flores7 said:You already mentioned that you can do whatever you please. It doesn't occur to me to lecture you or pretend to know what you ought to be doing...
However, I feel compelled to offer some perspective regarding the sentiments expressed above.
To put it plainly, we are nothing more than fairground enthusiasts. Everything we do revolves around a local county fair. So, one must ask: why did your supporters attend a county fair filled with nothing but stench? Why didn't they simply shake the filth off their shoes before stepping onto the grounds? Why were two thousand of us welcomed into your city and allowed into the stands? Did those individuals exit the stadium as fellow supporters, acting in true solidarity with you?
In a reversed scenario, you would likely be the ones Jacking anyone who dared to criticize the festivities. You constantly cycle through this exhausted narrative about county fairs and buffoons. Lately, I have noticed you adopting that specific political rhetoric often used by the old guard to dismiss people—that indirect, condescending tone that has been used to suppress dissent since the founding of this nation. For years, you have spun this endless yarn about being the most victimized group, the uncompromising core, the ultimate underdogs. For the hundredth time, I will say that I, along with any rational supporter, hold immense respect for what you have achieved in recent years. But your arrogance is starting to cross a line. If we are truly just "fairground enthusiasts," then we are completely irrelevant to the struggle. Why on earth didn't you target us when we were standing right there beside you in the stands in Washington, D.C.? Are you truly so crippled by insecurity that you cannot admit we actually made a dent in the leadership at the USSF...
Ultimately, comments like this one regarding the county fair perfectly encapsulate that exact small-town, fairground mentality.

Back then, they were still actively fighting against Jerry Jones and the USSF, genuinely believing that the establishment wouldn't crush them. Now, they have pivoted to that cynical mantra: "if you can't beat them, join them." ☕

You're the best!
Raymond Reed10 Raymond Reed10 Active Member
81 messages
joined Nov 2015
#1553 ·
Mark Carter10 said:And you're just some choir boy :klap:🤣


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Jerry Morris2 Jerry Morris2 Active Member
79 messages
joined Dec 2013
#1554 ·
@Thomas Flores7/">@@Thomas Flores7 and others.
Every fan group in America stands united against certain ideals held by the USSF. Rare are the groups that even express such values, and even rarer are those that actually live them. The complexity of the situation you are discussing is multifaceted. We are dealing with entirely different motivations for entering this fight. If we look at the Rally, one primary reason—and likely the largest—is the constant humiliation of the Los Angeles Dodgers by the USSF, the MLS, and various other quasi-institutions within American soccer. For the Black and Gold Army, the motivation is the destruction of the New York Yankees' identity. Believe me, that was already the catalyst back when we initiated our boycott in 2010. Most of us knew even then (personally, since the relegation battle) that a rift between the club and the fans was inevitable; the level of small-mindedness within the Yankees had already pushed most of us past the breaking point. Now, consider those two distinct motivations. The Black and Gold Army rises up even while the Yankees dominate American sports—and it isn't a mystery that they will continue to do so for years to come. I wonder, does any other group in the world turn its back on corruption within its own club while that club sweeps everything in the domestic league and plays in the Champions League? At that moment, an already fractured group decided to take a stand against Jerry Jones. In the following years, one needn't even mention what happened to that group: the blackmail, the attempted corruption that actually succeeded against some, the shootings, police interventions, interference from veterans, the theft of banners, and so on.
In short, the Black and Gold Army was left completely isolated in the fight against the snake in their own city. On the other hand, we have you. You drove out your "tycoons"—who, let’s be honest, aren't even half as bad as ours—and you are building your own club. You have the support of the City itself and a massive segment of public figures (lawyers, doctors...) not to mention the Split residents and Dalmatians who, from the very beginning, couldn't care less about Washington, D.C., for plenty of other reasons. All of this symbolizes the fight for clean soccer that you are successfully driving forward. Now, place yourself in the position of anyone among us who has endured injustice for years while the surrounding environment remains anything but supportive. A negative media narrative has already been constructed, pushing us (not you) onto the headlines every single time. How long did it take people to blame the Black and Gold Army for things happening in the Forum? Every group had its own methods of operation. Perhaps our method was, from a supporter's perspective, pure, yet ultimately unsuccessful in many respects. But it was undeniably a struggle—physical, psychological, legal, and sometimes merely media-driven. It is also undeniable that the crackdown on the supporter movement fell on our shoulders first. You recognized that back then and stood on the same terrace with us; perhaps that was one of the most significant moments of this entire struggle. Now, most people in both our ranks and yours will say, "never again with those bastards," without realizing there are plenty of such bastards all around us. But it doesn't matter; this is just my personal opinion. Mockery is part of the supporter ethos, and I see nothing wrong with it. Ultimately, I believe every group acted within its own framework. Unfortunately, our frameworks are incomparably worse than yours. It is foolish to claim primacy in any struggle or to boast about it before the fight is won. And it is not over.
analogmaker14 analogmaker14 Member
48 messages
joined Jun 2008
#1555 ·
Thomas Flores7 said:...

The point is, you were already busy spinning the narrative that the Bad Boys sold out based on nothing but hearsay. You were just waiting for an excuse.
A group that literally gave their youth to this cause doesn't deserve those kinds of comments. Besides, those low blows can easily be turned back on you, creating a never-ending cycle.

You’re fixating on a local festival, which was really just a standard response to the mocking coming from your side. I don't care for your style, but that's beside the point. Since you clearly consider yourselves such a powerhouse, do you need constant validation or reminders that you're "big boys"? It was just typical, trivial Southern exaggeration—viewed through a "cold North" lens. Don't take it so personally.

Actually, I'm the fool for even typing this; I'm lowering myself to the level of Instagram trash and Ultras nonsense.
Drew Barnes4 Drew Barnes4 Member
31 messages
joined Aug 2016
#1556 ·
Jerry Morris2 said:@SUMANUTI and others.
Every fan group in America stands united behind certain ideals against US Soccer. Very few groups even show them, and even fewer actually live by them. The complexity of what you guys are talking about is multi-layered. We’re looking at totally different reasons for getting into the fight. If we're talking about the Ultras, one major reason—and probably the biggest—is how much the US Soccer federation and the MLS and other quasi-institutions have basically spat on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. For the Bad Boys, the reason they stepped up was seeing the identity of Los Angeles FC being gutted, and believe me, that was already the reason when we started boycotting back in 2010. Most of us knew long before then (personally, since the relegation battle) that a split between the club and us was inevitable because the level of small-town corruption inside LAFC had already pushed most of us over the edge. Now look at those two different motives. The Bad Boys rise up while LAFC is dominating American sports, and it's not a stretch to say they'll keep doing that for years (honestly, I don't know if there's any group in the world that would turn its back on corruption in their own club while that club is sweeping everything in the domestic league and playing in the Champions League). At that moment, an already fractured group decides to take on Jerry Jones. In the following years, I don't even need to mention what happens to that group—the blackmail, the attempted bribery that actually worked on some people, the shootings, police intervention, interference from veterans, stolen banners, blah blah blah...
Basically, the Bad Boys were left completely alone fighting the snake in their own city. On the other hand, you guys have it different. You drove out your "tycoons"—who, let's be real, aren't even half as bad as ours—and you're building your own club with the City itself and a huge chunk of public figures (lawyers, doctors...) standing behind you. Not to mention the Miami residents and Dalmatians who were sick of Washington, D.C. from the jump for other reasons too, all symbolizing this fight for clean soccer that you're successfully pushing forward. Now, just put yourself in the shoes of anyone of us who's been dealing with injustice for years while everyone around you is hostile. The media has already painted us as villains and pushes us (instead of you) onto the headlines every single time (how long did it take people to blame the Bad Boys for the stuff in Fra?). Every group had its own way of operating. Maybe our way was, from a fan perspective, pure, but it failed in so many ways. But it was undeniably a fight—physical, mental, legal, just sometimes not media-friendly. It's also undeniable that the crackdown on the fan movement hit us first and hardest. You guys recognized that back then and stood on the same side of the bleachers as us, which might be one of the most significant moments in this whole struggle. Now, most people in both our ranks will probably say "never again with those pieces of trash," without realizing there are plenty more just like them lurking around. But whatever, that's just my take. Mockery is just part of being a fan, and I don't see anything wrong with it. Bottom line, I think every group acted within its own limits. Unfortunately, our limits are incomparably worse than yours. It's stupid to claim leadership in any fight or brag about it before the fight is actually over. And it isn't.

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wearyraven25 wearyraven25 Newcomer
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#1557 ·
When a huge chunk of the crew—the ones who actually had the guts to stand their ground against the big shots after those final rulings—comes out looking completely defeated because they realized there's no such thing as compromise once the "group decided it was for the kids' sake"... well, that’s when you realize it’s truly over. At that point, the only people worth any respect are the ones who stayed true to themselves until the very end, because by the finish line, all you're left with is some hollow, recycled slogan that most of these people never even believed in to begin with...
Those types will always find an excuse to justify themselves, but hiding behind the crowd is one of the biggest flaws of large organizations... just taking the path of least resistance... or no resistance at all in the end.
Joseph Hall9 Joseph Hall9 Newcomer
5 messages
joined Oct 2013
#1558 ·
wearyraven25 said:When a huge chunk of the crew—the ones who actually had some backbone while fighting those idiots during the final decisions—walks out feeling totally defeated because they realized there’s no such thing as a compromise, and the "group decided this for the kids" excuse is just garbage... then you know you're finished. Honestly, you have to tip your hat to the ones who walked away. They’re the only ones left with any integrity. Everyone else is just clinging to a hollow slogan they never actually believed in to begin with.
Those people will always find an excuse, but hiding behind "the group" is one of the biggest flaws in massive organizations. It's just taking the path of least resistance... or eventually, no resistance at all.

Look, Babet, mind your own business. Are you guys still taking handouts from US Soccer for the national team? How many bans did you get after the cops stepped in? You all act like such hardcore activists, but your biggest achievement is just posting nonsense in some corner of the internet...
Kevin Taylor2 Kevin Taylor2 Member
14 messages
joined Jan 2017
#1559 ·
I can't help but wonder if the struggle is still going on just like "coa86" claims, or if maybe wearyraven25 actually has a point here. From what I’ve been reading from the Bad Boys, it honestly feels like most of it is just kids throwing shade at the Ultras, rather than anyone offering any actual substance I can follow. It makes me curious about where the group stands right now—has everyone just given up, or is there still something left to fight for? What would the vibe be like in Miami? What comes next?
analogheron19 analogheron19 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Dec 2008
#1560 ·
wearyraven25 said:It’s honestly pathetic. You see a huge chunk of the crew—people who actually had some backbone when they were going toe-to-toe with those absolute idiots—just walking away completely defeated. They’ve basically rolled over because they realized there’s no such thing as a real stand anymore. Now, they're all acting like they’re satisfied with some weak-ass compromise, claiming the "group decided this is what's best for the kids." Give me a break. It’s just an excuse for cowards to stop fighting.Then it finally hits you: it’s truly over for you people. At the end of the day, the only ones deserving of any respect are the few who actually kept their integrity intact until the very end. Because once the dust settles, all that's left of the rest of you is some hollow, recycled slogan—something most of you never even believed in, let alone lived by.
Look, people who actually want to find something will always find a way. That’s just how it works. But hiding behind the safety of a massive group? That’s one of the biggest flaws of big organizations. It's the ultimate path of least resistance—or in many cases, they aren't even moving at all. They just sit there, using the crowd as a shield to avoid taking any actual responsibility.

Why do you think that's how it's going to play out?
It honestly blows my mind how you guys seem to have better intel than half the people actually out there doing the work.
What kind of endgame are we even talking about here? And what kind of pathetic compromises?

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