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Participants Austin Hayes66Jamie Fowler2George Martin70Roger Smith6ruggedfalcon2Larry King37hiddensailor14Gerald Smith76Eric Jackson43
Austin Hayes66 Austin Hayes66 Active MemberOP
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#1 ·
Where can I find it? Thanks to everyone for the heads-up... πŸ‘
Jamie Fowler2 Jamie Fowler2 Member
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#2 ·
Austin Hayes66 said:where's it at? thanks for the heads up, everyone. πŸ‘

The local butcher shop this Saturday afternoon.

If you need my cell, just shoot me a DM.
Austin Hayes66 Austin Hayes66 Active MemberOP
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Jamie Fowler2 said:the local community center this Saturday afternoon.

If you need my number, I can shoot it over via DM...

I'll take you up on that. Thanks. Send it over.
George Martin70 George Martin70 Member
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#4 ·
Ever since Ε kerl’s leg situation, that greedy guy who teaches like ten different styles seems to have moved up to a much bigger hall. I mean, even Kuzman doesn't teach that many skills... 😍
Jamie Fowler2 Jamie Fowler2 Member
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George Martin70 said:Ever since that leg incident with Škerl, this greedy guy teaching ten different styles seems to have moved up to a much bigger arena. Even Kuzman doesn't teach that many skills... 😍

nah, nah. Hao’s still got 30 years of training under his belt. You gotta respect thatβ€”even if he really gets on your nerves...
Austin Hayes66 Austin Hayes66 Active MemberOP
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#6 ·
Man, Americans... they really get under my skin...
Roger Smith6 Roger Smith6 Member
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#7 ·
The red maples have lost track of the six alignments...

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George Martin70 George Martin70 Member
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#8 ·
So how old is he actually? And why did Ε kerl kick him to the curb? Are you saying he doesn't even claim to teach or act like a master? Like, does he do Chen tai chi, Yang tai chi, Wu Tai chi, Chang chuan kung fu, Yichuan, Xinyiquan, Baqwachang... I don't even know how to spell the rest of them. Basically, if you ask him anything, he’ll just insist he’s a master and offer to teach youβ€”provided you pay up, I guess $33 per session...
He was bragging once about how he totally laid out Bagadur in his own gym... πŸ™
Jamie Fowler2 Jamie Fowler2 Member
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#9 ·
Yeah. These Tai chi styles are basically all the same anyway. Every kid in China goes through Chang Quan in elementary and middle schoolβ€”it’s like basic gymnastics to them. All the movements from the other styles are baked right into Chang Quan. Yi Chuan is just a variation of Xing Yi that Hao spent the most time teaching. And BA Gua knows its forms.

Regarding getting kicked in the legβ€”if you actually know why, let me know. :P

So many people claim Bagadur absolutely wrecked him that I just mentally delete the conversation the second someone starts talking about it.

Red maples have forgotten the six alignments
Tranquility will reveal The five elements

You're a long way from being able to quote Dai Fengzhong...
George Martin70 George Martin70 Member
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#10 ·
So you just confirmed exactly what I was saying. Every kid in America knows that Chen and Yang styles aren't even remotely similar. This Hao guy is basically charging a fortune for stuff he picked up during gym class back in school. Missing class used to be a death sentence anyway 😈
I guess I don't know why he got canned by Ε kerl, heard there was some drama involving money...πŸ€”
As for Bagadur, looks like you know your stuff regarding Hao, so maybe ask him if it's actually true... πŸ‘
Jamie Fowler2 Jamie Fowler2 Member
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George Martin70 said:Now you're just proving my point. Any kid over in China knows Chen and Yang styles aren't even in the same ballpark. This Hao guy is basically charging a premium for stuff he picked up during gym class back in the day. Back then, missing class was a death sentence anyway 😈
Not sure why he got canned by Ε kerlβ€”something about money, apparently...πŸ€”
As for Bagadur, you clearly know your way around Hao's history, so why don't you ask him if that's actually true... πŸ‘

If that's your take, you don't know squat about Tai chi.

Hao never mentioned anything about beating up Bagadur. The story always went that Bagadur just flashed a bunch of diplomas at him or whatever. As far as I know, they never even traded blows.
ruggedfalcon2 ruggedfalcon2 Active Member
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Jamie Fowler2 said:. The whole story was supposed to be about how Bagadur flashed a bunch of diplomas at him and all that. I don't know... they didn't exactly cross their arms and walk away.

🀣 Haha! So he just shows everyone those fancy degrees and photos from his trips to China... then goes around trying to impress an American with pictures of China. How original...πŸ™ πŸ™‚β˜•
Jamie Fowler2 Jamie Fowler2 Member
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ruggedfalcon2 said:🀣 hahaha! So he just flashes those fancy degrees and photos from his trips to China at everyone... then tries to impress an actual American by showing them pictures of China...πŸ™ πŸ™‚β˜•

yeah... what can I even say... after the way Hao described that whole scene in broken American with a thick Russian accentβ€”I was actually tearing up over here...
ruggedfalcon2 ruggedfalcon2 Active Member
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Jamie Fowler2 said:is... I mean, what can I even say... the way Hao described that scene in broken American with a thick Russian accentβ€”I actually had tears running down my face...

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George Martin70 George Martin70 Member
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#15 ·
Teach me some of that deep Tai chi wisdom you've got. And once Hao gets you through all those styles, you think you'll actually be a master like him?
Anyway, Hao tried his hand at being a big-shot BV trader in Washington, D.C. a few times. He even messed around with that guy from Yoga and Kemp, but I guess that fell through too.
Jamie Fowler2 Jamie Fowler2 Member
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George Martin70 said:Teach me something from that massive Tai chi knowledge of yours. And once Hao finishes training you in all those styles... you actually think you'll be a master like him?
Hao tried a bunch of times to make a name for himself as a big-shot BV trader in Washington, D.C.β€”but it never stuck. He even tried cutting corners with that guy from Yoga and Kemp... but that whole thing went south too...

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I don't do full-blown Tai chiβ€”just pick up the specific bits that actually work for me. If you bother to look into the stuff, you'll see all those five main styles and the million sub-styles are basically cut from the same cloth. Same core principles, same philosophy... just different "packaging" depending on who's teaching it. It's always the same 8 forces plus 5 directions, the sung, the opening and closing movements... everyone uses tui shou as a training tool too. It all stems from the same root. Correct me if I'm wrong...

It’s a fair questionβ€”whether any version of Tai chi being taught these days actually has anything to do with beating a skilled opponent...

Hao's trading career was a total bustβ€”now he just spends his Saturdays making tofu...
George Martin70 George Martin70 Member
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#17 ·
So you’ve always got those 8 forces plus the 5 directions, plus the sung, opening and closing... they all use tui shou as a training method and I guess they all stem from the same roots anyway.

Man, you really know your stuff. But if the Tai chi people practice today probably doesn't have much to do with actual fighting, why would Xinyi and Bagwa be any different? And the way you laid that out makes me think maybe Wing chun actually has more training methods and is more complex...
George Martin70 George Martin70 Member
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#18 ·
So, I guess the guy from China bailed on selling those undershirts and socks out in HreliΔ‡? 🀣
Jamie Fowler2 Jamie Fowler2 Member
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George Martin70 said:Oh yeah, you're such an expert. But if today's version of Tai chi probably has zero connection to actual fighting, why would Xinyi and Bagwa have anything to do with it? And looking at how you listed everything out, it seems like Wing chun actually has more training methods and is way more complex...

I'm no expertβ€”it just looks like you don't know jack about Tai chi. (Translation: I'm talking nonsense)

As for his Bagwa, I don't do it myself, but 95% of Bagwa instructors couldn't apply it in a real fight if their lives depended on it. It’s likely just a Taoist meditation system anyway. (Yeah, I'm talking nonsense)

His Xing Yi, thoughβ€”that has clear combat value. Even if you're skeptical (and you totally are), it's still worth learning the basic Xing Yi forms and techniques from him. I'm not talking nonsense there because I actually know something about it.

Regarding Wing chun, it seems like it has very few training methods compared to Tai chi. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's mostly just chi sao and its variations (chi gerk? blindfold drills? stick work?), three empty hand forms, short sword, and pole, right? How many "words" does Wing chun even have?
George Martin70 George Martin70 Member
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#20 ·
Like I said, that guy Kevin 😈 teaches Barry, so he might actually be able to use it in a fight. Maybe you've caught a glimpse of his training sessions?

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