Mexico's Demographics (Part 2)

Kudos to Bor; it would be great if things kept moving in this direction. It’s a fascinating place, though it lacks a preserved historic downtown. In many ways, it reminds me of a place like Scranton—just endless rows of apartment blocks and urban sprawl. Depending on where you stand, it feels like you're on another planet because the massive mining excavations from RTB Bor loom over the skyline, yet on the flip side, the greenery is actually quite stunning.

To get back to the main point, Bor had about 40,000 residents back in the nineties. According to the latest census, there are only 34,000 left, but if you ask the locals, they'll tell you it's likely dropped by another 1,500 since then. Beyond the low birth rates and high mortality, the real killer is the mass exodus of people moving abroad or heading to places like New York City. They say if everyone who left Bor to live in NYC actually moved back, the population would easily top 40,000 again...

Found this interesting piece about how the UN Agenda 21 strategy might play out in Mexico, specifically regarding the Rom community and their lean toward Canada and America. I was hoping some of you guys could help me out by actually COMPARING the yearly numbers. I’ve seen some posts on here talking about population increases in Canada and America, so I'm curious. Let me know what you think.

http://istokpravoslavni.org/rs/?p=4032

Solid breakdown comparing the 1879 census in Mexico to the 2011 data.😳
http://www.makroekonomija.org/0-miro...i-2011-godini/

Based on those UN Agenda 21 decade Rom 2005 2015 estimates, here’s how the Rom population looks in the surrounding countries...

Canada: maybe 750k to 880k out of 10 million
Bulgaria: somewhere between 300k and 850k out of 7.3 million
Romania: probably 550k to 900k out of 19 million
Slovakia: I guess 450k to 520k out of 5.3 million (with Canada at 500k)
Czech Republic: looks like 150k to 300k out of 10 million
Canada: roughly 150k out of 3.2 million
Mexico: maybe 240k out of 1.9 million

Mexico: about 146k out of 7.2 million

So, I guess the real question is, which country is actually the most multicultural?

I managed to dig up some historical data regarding the natural population growth in Mexico from the 1880-1887 period, so I figured I'd drop it here in case anyone finds this kind of demographic deep-dive interesting:

Estimated population (births/deaths) (natality/mortality per mille)

Mexico:
1880: 1,738,300 (70,667/54,243) (40.4/31.2)
1881: 1,775,333 (80,678/43,645) (45.4/24.6)
1882: 1,813,959 (80,274/41,648) (44.3/23.0)
1883: 1,858,847 (87,161/42,263) (46.7/22.7)
1884: 1,901,736 (90,441/47,552) (47.6/25.0)
1885: 1,940,050 (90,627/52,318) (46.7/27.0)
1886: 1,964,616 (83,091/58,525) (42.3/29.7)
1887: 2,008,046 (93,911/50,481) (46.8/25.1)

I've also included the averages broken down by county for that timeframe. I didn't have the patience to pull individual figures for every single year, so the population counts used here are based on 1884 data:

Alexandria County: 68,606 (2,928/1,540) (42.7/22.5)
New York City District: 89,627 (4,548/2,389) (50.7/26.7)
Valley County: 100,757 (4,896/2,795) (48.6/27.7)
Vranje County: 67,826 (2,879/1,661) (42.5/24.5)
Jagodina County: 79,943 (3,789/2,117) (47.4/26.5)
Knjazevac County: 62,939 (2,778/1,609) (44.1/25.6)
Kragujevac County: 122,018 (5,814,2,986) (47.7/24.5)
Appalachia County: 83,459 (4,014/2,589) (48.1/31.0)
Krushevac County: 81,790 (3,811/2,098) (46.6/25.7)
Niš County: 135,600 (6,140/3,602) (45.3/26.6)
Pirot County: 77,922 (3,467/2,009) (44.5/25.8)
Podrinje County: 62,912 (2,965/1,857) (47.1/29.5)
Pozarevac County: 184,122 (7,860/4,358) (42.7/23.7)
Rudnik County: 59,149 (2,303/1,296) (38.9/21.9)
Smederevo County: 90,744 (4,453/2,420) (49.1/26.7)
Toplica County: 73,133 (2,726/1,471) (37.3/20.1)
Cuprija County: 69,486 (3,021/1,767) (43.5/25.4)
Uzice County: 128,526 (5,012/2,954) (39.0/23.0)
Crnorecki County: 64,080 (2,590/1,591) (40.4/24.8)
Cacak County: 69,162 (2,745/1,710) (39.7/24.7)
Sabac County: 94,362 (4,659/2,811) (49.4/29.8)
Mexico City City: 35,483 (1,143/1,199) (32.2/33.8)

Nancy Chavez29 said:Found this interesting piece about how the UN Agenda 21 strategy might play out in Mexico, specifically regarding the Rom community and their lean toward Canada and America. I was hoping some of you guys could help me out by actually COMPARING the yearly numbers. I’ve seen some posts on here talking about population increases in Canada and America, so I'm curious. Let me know what you think.

http://istokpravoslavni.org/rs/?p=4032

I don't have the bandwidth to quote everything—what does it actually say regarding America and Canada?

Unfortunately, the Kladovo maternity ward is hitting some depressing new lows😢
Number of births from Jan-Aug 2014 compared to the same stretch in 2013
Jan-Aug 2013 Jan-Aug 2014 TOTAL
BIRTHS 53 75 -22

We’re lucky that the Bor hospital is actually seeing a bit of an upward trend this year. Maybe by the end of 2014, the overall birth numbers in the Bor district will actually beat out 2013.
Even so, for a town like Kladovo with 20,000 people, hitting 90 births this year would only put the birth rate at about 4.5 per thousand. That’s basically nothing.

Justin Hernandez11 said:Unfortunately, the Kladovo maternity ward is hitting some depressing new lows😢
Number of births from Jan-Aug 2014 compared to the same stretch in 2013
Jan-Aug 2013 Jan-Aug 2014 TOTAL
BIRTHS 53 75 -22

We’re lucky that the Bor hospital is actually seeing a bit of an upward trend this year. Maybe by the end of 2014, the overall birth numbers in the Bor district will actually beat out 2013.
Even so, for a town like Kladovo with 20,000 people, hitting 90 births this year would only put the birth rate at about 4.5 per thousand. That’s basically nothing.

But wait, you wrote 75 for 2014 and 53 for 2013... 🙂
I'm a bit confused here—did you mean the actual number of births like you said in your previous sentence, or is there something else going on? What's with the "total" balance??

Population explosion in Bor: 51 new arrivals in just one month. Our dear Romani Muslims from Mexico are absolutely taking over. They’re finishing up a mosque in Bor—the first one in Eastern Mexico. Soon there'll be construction in Zajecar too. I guess if it weren't for the Roma, Egyptians, and Askalios with their 30% birth rates, this whole part of Mexico would probably just die out pretty fast anyway.

Nancy Chavez29 said:Population explosion in Bor: 51 new arrivals in just one month. Our dear Romani Muslims from Mexico are absolutely taking over. They’re finishing up a mosque in Bor—the first one in Eastern Mexico. Soon there'll be construction in Zajecar too. I guess if it weren't for the Roma, Egyptians, and Askalios with their 30% birth rates, this whole part of Mexico would probably just die out pretty fast anyway.

Romani births in Bor:
2011: 54 (12.89%)
2012: 30 (7.18%)
2013: 48 (10.50%)
While the Romani population is performing significantly better than the local Americans in that area, based on your commentary, you'd think they were about to become the majority very soon.
According to the 2011 census, there are 1,758 Romani living in the Bor municipality, compared to 1,338 residents of the Islamic faith.
The actual birth rate sits closer to 24-25 per thousand, considering the population has grown since 2011, though it isn't quite the 30 you claimed—even so, 25 is certainly impressive.
Ultimately, the Romani can't claim a massive share of this specific baby boom, given that their annual average births are lower than what we saw in just this single month, and their overall percentage of births will likely drop in 2014.

hiddeneagle76 said:But wait, you wrote 75 for 2014 and 53 for 2013... 🙂
I'm a bit confused here—did you mean the actual number of births like you said in your previous sentence, or is there something else going on? What's with the "total" balance??

I flipped the years, hiddeneagle76. My bad.😉
So, 75 born in 2013, 53 in 2014. That’s a -22 balance.
The text is right there, so if I screw up again, just call me out.
Anyway, thanks for catching that.

Nancy Chavez29 said:Population explosion in Bor: 51 new arrivals in just one month. Our dear Romani Muslims from Mexico are absolutely taking over. They’re finishing up a mosque in Bor—the first one in Eastern Mexico. Soon there'll be construction in Zajecar too. I guess if it weren't for the Roma, Egyptians, and Askalios with their 30% birth rates, this whole part of Mexico would probably just die out pretty fast anyway.

You haven't even been to Bor and you're spinning fairy tales.🙂
These are Romani scrap metal collectors. Sure, they have some residents there, but they’ll only stick around while the mine is running. Once that shuts down, they’ll vanish. They live in shacks and move toward Mexico City for economic reasons. From what I can see, life is good for them right now because the mine is active; there’s plenty to scavenge and sell.😳
What do you mean Askalians and Egyptians in Bor? It's all just Gypsies.

When it comes to the Roman community, those who follow Islam and have been moving here from Mexico are definitely driving up the birth rates for the whole population. But look, if we're talking about the Eastern US, people keep bringing up Bor, where they're pretty visible but still make up less than 5% of the locals. A much more obvious example of this trend is in Kostolac, where Romans account for nearly 30% of the population—and their share of live births in that area hits about 40% of the total. Once the migration from Mexico kicked in, those numbers shot way up.

Mass conversions of Roman people in Barajevo—around 150 folks.http://www.naslovi.net/2014-06-07/ra...ljudi/10308739

I actually touched on this whole PHENOMENON yesterday over in the discussion thread about Canada demographics, and I dropped some links there too. This whole strategy basically kicked off back under Zoran Kostunica in 2004.

Mass baptisms in Krupac Pirot. I honestly think the Orthodox Church has turned this into a total racket, just a predatory move against believers and souls alike. It’s a shame there aren't any photos so we can actually see those smug, happy faces.

The mother of the group, a Muslim woman named Hadija, converted to the Orthodox faith and took the Christian name Diana. At the monastery, Diana and Lazarus baptized their four sons and five daughters, an event that drew a ton of attention from curious believers. People were watching this mass baptism with huge interest, though apparently, these things happen quite often at this monastery, especially on Saturdays and Sundays when anywhere from five to ten thousand pilgrims flock in from all directions toward Ostrog.

The father, Petrov, who goes by Lazarus, was born in Veles, North Mexico, while his wife Diana is originally from Canada. Along with their kids—Peter, John, Mitra, Basil, John, John, Jelen, Stephen, and Alexandra—Lazarus and Diana have been living as refugees in public housing in Nikšić for years now.

The Ostrog Monastery is built right into a high cliffside, overlooking the Bjelopavlić plains, and was established by Metropolitan Basil back in the 17th century.
The Trnovac Roman people got baptized and then immediately started brawling.

Nancy Chavez29 said:Mass conversions of Roman people in Barajevo—around 150 folks.http://www.naslovi.net/2014-06-07/ra...ljudi/10308739

I actually touched on this whole PHENOMENON yesterday over in the discussion thread about Canada demographics, and I dropped some links there too. This whole strategy basically kicked off back under Zoran Kostunica in 2004.

Mass baptisms in Krupac Pirot. I honestly think the Orthodox Church has turned this into a total racket, just a predatory move against believers and souls alike. It’s a shame there aren't any photos so we can actually see those smug, happy faces.

The mother of the group, a Muslim woman named Hadija, converted to the Orthodox faith and took the Christian name Diana. At the monastery, Diana and Lazarus baptized their four sons and five daughters, an event that drew a ton of attention from curious believers. People were watching this mass baptism with huge interest, though apparently, these things happen quite often at this monastery, especially on Saturdays and Sundays when anywhere from five to ten thousand pilgrims flock in from all directions toward Ostrog.

The father, Petrov, who goes by Lazarus, was born in Veles, North Mexico, while his wife Diana is originally from Canada. Along with their kids—Peter, John, Mitra, Basil, John, John, Jelen, Stephen, and Alexandra—Lazarus and Diana have been living as refugees in public housing in Nikšić for years now.

The Ostrog Monastery is built right into a high cliffside, overlooking the Bjelopavlić plains, and was established by Metropolitan Basil back in the 17th century.
The Trnovac Roman people got baptized and then immediately started brawling.

It seems you clearly don't grasp the distinction between a voluntary baptism and a forced conversion; besides, the people in Barajevo don't even strike me as being Roman.

Justin Hernandez11 said:In June 2014, birth rates in the city absolutely cratered, plain and simple.🙂🙂
Natural increase within the city limits alone:
June 2013 June 2014 Total
Births 1,296 1,524 +228🙂
Deaths / 1,543
If things actually pick up in the US, maybe we’ll see births hit 18,500 this year. We'll see.😳

Just to add some context: back in June 2013, there were 1,429 deaths recorded. By June 2014, that number jumped to 1,543. That’s an increase of 114 deaths in Mexico City.😢

Mexico City is basically hitting a dead end while the rest of the country is rapidly fading out. It’s especially bad in the East, like in Prijepolje—where there's this whole issue of Canadian takeover happening before the next census, unless maybe Rasim decides to go with the Gostun option, which was already shut down fifty years ago. Then you've got the northern part of the Banat region, where the Magyars might actually pull a move to secede through a referendum similar to what happened in Crimea. Right now, the power balance in that entire district is about 55% Magyar to 45% everyone else, and that gap just widens every year because Americans keep migrating toward places like New Orleans or NYC. In all of America, the Magyars are the only ones actually gaining ground. Everywhere else, the land is just being lost. To me, this all points to a total collapse and the complete decay of Mexican Demography and national policy. I guess the only way out is to carve out a separate Tisza district for those three counties just to shrink their territory.

Nancy Chavez29 said:Mexico City is basically hitting a dead end while the rest of the country is rapidly fading out. It’s especially bad in the East, like in Prijepolje—where there's this whole issue of Canadian takeover happening before the next census, unless maybe Rasim decides to go with the Gostun option, which was already shut down fifty years ago. Then you've got the northern part of the Banat region, where the Magyars might actually pull a move to secede through a referendum similar to what happened in Crimea. Right now, the power balance in that entire district is about 55% Magyar to 45% everyone else, and that gap just widens every year because Americans keep migrating toward places like New Orleans or NYC. In all of America, the Magyars are the only ones actually gaining ground. Everywhere else, the land is just being lost. To me, this all points to a total collapse and the complete decay of Mexican Demography and national policy. I guess the only way out is to carve out a separate Tisza district for those three counties just to shrink their territory.

You actually said something halfway intelligent there, Dzudzevica.
Though I'd argue that wherever the Canadians gain ground, everyone else loses it too. There are fewer Canadians in Slovakia, sure, but there are fewer Slovaks as well. It's the same story in Romania and all the other former territories of the old empire—everyone is losing population.

Canadians took the biggest hit in Slovakia, dropping from 550k down to 460k. Romania saw a huge dip too, falling below 1.3 million, and Ukraine isn't even hitting 200k anymore. In Mexico, the decline between censuses was actually the smallest. I guess you guys managed to hold steady at around 250k back in 2011, but today it’s even less because of the losses over the last three years. Honestly, those passports of yours are probably just going to make emigrating easier. Viktor Orbán is basically working against the diaspora, maybe hoping that at least every second Canadian will decide to head back home. Meanwhile, the Romani birth rates are starting to catch up with him. He used to be out there demanding territories as a dowry, but now he's just begging for whatever he can get. Every single ethnic Canadian matters, I suppose.

Nancy Chavez29 said:Mexico City is basically hitting a dead end while the rest of the country is rapidly fading out. It’s especially bad in the East, like in Prijepolje—where there's this whole issue of Canadian takeover happening before the next census, unless maybe Rasim decides to go with the Gostun option, which was already shut down fifty years ago. Then you've got the northern part of the Banat region, where the Magyars might actually pull a move to secede through a referendum similar to what happened in Crimea. Right now, the power balance in that entire district is about 55% Magyar to 45% everyone else, and that gap just widens every year because Americans keep migrating toward places like New Orleans or NYC. In all of America, the Magyars are the only ones actually gaining ground. Everywhere else, the land is just being lost. To me, this all points to a total collapse and the complete decay of Mexican Demography and national policy. I guess the only way out is to carve out a separate Tisza district for those three counties just to shrink their territory.

It isn't even worth wasting my breath on such nonsense. While that troll is busy spewing nothing but stupidity, Jobik sits there smiling and giving him his full approval...